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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / January 2008Mark Probert - You are avoiding the question...
Mark: You are still attempting to obfuscate the original issue, and are avoiding the question. So I'll try again. Somebody has to do this for America. The six complaints against Bill Rae MD, we know, came anonymously, from New York - and you are one of the suspects. Do you, or your company, or any of your regular clients have anything to do with the series of anonymous complaints filed in Texas against Texas doctors, or any part of an investigation leading up to those anonymous complaints? Discussing the real issue in California... Tim Bolen > Mark: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Tim Bolen Are you still on Hulda Clark's payroll, Tim? PM. > <jurim...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Peter Moran: I have never been on Hulda Clark's "payroll," as you put it. I did do some consulting work for her several times, and at the moment, I am putting together a "proposed" legal action for her supporters, involving a conspiracy by certain people, and organizations, to formally "stalk" Hulda Clark on the internet, using false statements such as "the worst cancer charlatan in history, etc." without any proof, etc.. As I point out to them - jurisdiction is now no longer an issue, for the prospective defendants all made the mistake of doing business in Ashland, Oregon through one or another "webrings." A think a couple more meetings and I might have the package sold. Thanks to you, and a few of the other eager fools on this group, I've been able to gather solid information quickly. By the way, you've had more than adequate time to respond to my inquiries into your reasons for defaming Hulda Clark. if I sell this package, and I'm pushing hard, you'll be looking for the services of a California civil attorney, for you walked right in... Amused in California... Tim Bolen >> <jurim...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >an issue, for the prospective defendants all made the mistake of doing >business in Ashland, Oregon through one or another "webrings." Keep the jokes coming, Tim. >A think a couple more meetings and I might have the package sold. >Thanks to you, and a few of the other eager fools on this group, I've [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Tim Bolen  SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >> Mark: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Are you still on Hulda Clark's payroll, Tim? I have a theory that Hulda fired him. > I have a theory that Hulda fired him. And I'm started to wonder why you haven't joined my discussion--your insight into the world of workers compensation insurance might be able to shed some real valuable light to help Dr. Rea. Why not give us your expert opinions? This has nothing to do with Bolen--it has to do with physicians losing their licenses. What if you got fired today and lost your livelihood. I'm sure you would want help in getting your job back, right? Why not help the cause? On Jan 17, 5:49 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > The six complaints against Bill Rae MD, we know, came anonymously, > from New York - and you are one of the suspects. Tim, that's REA, not RAE. ---- for starters and 2) Mark Probert does not deal with health insurance he deals with Worker's Compensation Insurance-- What kind of claim was the complaint allegedly about - workers compensation or health insurance??? If it was workers compensation complaint, perhaps Probert would be happy to explain the process of how this kind of insurance works to you here. I know when I had my deal, and I refused to take the $$ they offered me, because it was the principle of the matter, the employer lying about how the chemicals were used, and claiming I only worked in the office; (not true), and I did not think that a IME connected to the chemical world as a "Scientific Advisor" to that ACSH organization, should have been the one examining me, as it appeared to be that he had a conflict of interest that he did not disclose to anyone but I found out on my own time. I wasn't even mad at the chemical companies - I was mad at my employer for lying about the use of the chemicals, and how I was directly involved. Turned his puny butt into OSHA who fined him like he deserved to be fined!! For his refusal to turn over the MSDS that I requested, telling me he didn't have to give me. (LIAR!!). I even fired my own attorney, after learning he had gone to a party with the defense attorney, and as he alleged with one of the workers compensation judges. Nothing like not disclosing those conflicts of interest! You want to give me, how much $$$$???? You can just KMA!! My former attorney was mad because I didn't take the $ $ (you know he wanted his cut!!!); the Judge was biased because he couldn't get "the connection" that the IME was connected to the chemical world---the defense attorney and the plaintiff's attorney went to a party at a judges house (why wasn't I invited too?), and it all seemed way too cozy for me. I even asked the Judge during my trial why wasn't I invited to his party. (I don't think he liked that). The good news is the attorney I fired is no longer practicing (he passed away), and the defense attorney got disbarred due to another case, (nothing I did).......and the beauty of it all....they got all of the exposure and attention that they all so desperately were seeking. Why didn't I take the $$$??? It would have been tainted money---- goodness knows where it would have come from. I liked getting well on my own....and I have Dr. William Rea of the Environmental Health Center in Dallas, Texas to thank for giving me the tools I needed for that job!! > On Jan 17, 5:49 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > not deal with health insurance > he deals with Worker's Compensation Insurance-- By Jove, Debbee hits a grand slam. > What kind of claim was the complaint allegedly about - workers > compensation or health insurance??? If it was workers compensation > complaint, perhaps Probert would be happy to explain the process of > how this kind of insurance works to you here. Timmie would not understand it, because Timmie never held a job. Having a job is a prerequisite for WC coverage. > I know when I had my deal, and I refused to take the $$ they offered > me, because it was the principle of the matter, the employer lying [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and how I was directly involved. Turned his puny butt into OSHA who > fined him like he deserved to be fined!! That is hard to believe. OSHA does a great investigation, but, when it comes to fines with teeth...well they need some amalgams. Two years ago we found that an employer policy was the immediate proximate cause of the death of a worker. OSHA fined them $10K with their $200M annual sales. Pain free. My client, OTOH, upgraded their risk factor by doubling it. That doubled their highest risk, and largest payroll segment, premium assessment. That was a serious ouch, and they changed their evil ways. For his refusal to turn over > the MSDS that I requested, telling me he didn't have to give me. > (LIAR!!). MSDS are available on line. But he does have to provide you a copy from the manufacturer when you ask politely. I even fired my own attorney, after learning he had gone > to a party with the defense attorney, and as he alleged with one of > the workers compensation judges. Nothing like not disclosing those > conflicts of interest! Debbee, the WC system is a closed one, with everyone knowing each other. One of my boating buddies is a claimant's attorney, while his brother is a carrier guy. Some firms do both sides. You want to give me, how much $$$$???? You > can just KMA!! My former attorney was mad because I didn't take the $ > $ (you know he wanted his cut!!!); the Judge was biased because he [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Environmental Health Center in Dallas, Texas to thank > for giving me the tools I needed for that job!! > Debbee, the WC system is a closed one, with everyone knowing each other. > One of my boating buddies is a claimant's attorney, while his brother is > a carrier guy. Some firms do both sides. Have people lost their sense of ethics, values, and principles? Has the world gone stark raving mad? I'm beginning to think so. Works Compensation should not be a closed system. I'm sure people know each other but it should be a on a professional level, and not a personal level. When it becomes personal, then there is always a possibility of letting the personal get in the way of the professional. Why not disclose one's conflicts of interest? Lay them out on the table. I have to laugh at a lot of these "expert witnesses," a bunch of low lifes; anything to make a buck and keep the people that need assistance from getting it; everything from social security disability to workers compensation to paying for experimental healthcare. But what goes around, comes around, and one of these days, when they least expect it, their world will start falling apart, and they will have no one to blame but themselves..greed will get you absolutely no where in life. >> Debbee, the WC system is a closed one, with everyone knowing each other. >> One of my boating buddies is a claimant's attorney, while his brother is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Works Compensation should not be a closed system. Everyone knows everyone else. I'm sure people > know each other > but it should be a on a professional level, and not a personal level. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > and they will have no one to blame but themselves..greed will get you > absolutely no where in life. > > On Jan 17, 5:49 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Mark: You are still attempting to obfuscate the original issue, and are avoiding the question. So I'll try again. Somebody has to do this for America. The six complaints against Bill Rae MD, we know, came anonymously, from New York - and you are one of the suspects. Do you, or your company, or any of your regular clients have anything to do with the series of anonymous complaints filed in Texas against Texas doctors, or any part of an investigation leading up to those anonymous complaints? Discussing the real issue in California... Tim Bolen On Jan 19, 8:06 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > Do you, or your company, or any of your regular clients have anything > to do with the series of anonymous complaints filed in Texas against [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Tim Bolen Mr. Bolen: What part of "he doesn't do health insurance," do you not get? Unless ofcourse, those complaints were worker's compensation claims, and I'm not getting it! > On Jan 19, 8:06 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > What part of "he doesn't do health insurance," do you not get? The part where he uses this bullshit tactic of poisoning the well to discredit those who call him as we see him. > Unless ofcourse, those complaints were worker's compensation claims, > and I'm not getting it! For the most part, a WC carrier in NY denies a medical bill and it goes to arbitration. If the ruling is that it is to be paid, then they pay it. If they rule that it does not get paid, the medical provider eats it. > For the most part, a WC carrier in NY denies a medical bill and it goes > to arbitration. If the ruling is that it is to be paid, then they pay > it. If they rule that it does not get paid, the medical provider eats it. And then there is the other part. I've been reading up on the world of insurance, and apparently there is "more to the story." As I understand it from reading about the 9/11 workers compensation cases there have been a lot of denials of claims. I also understand that there were certain codes specifically to be used for those claims. I wonder what happened to the doctors whose offices used the "wrong codes," and did not know any differently? I know there is more to the "story." May be you can fill in the blanks. >> For the most part, a WC carrier in NY denies a medical bill and it goes >> to arbitration. If the ruling is that it is to be paid, then they pay [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I know there is more to the "story." May be you can fill in the > blanks. Those neighbors who are affected are getting medical care they need. I have seen only one claim denied and that was reversed on appeal. > I have seen only one claim denied and that was reversed on appeal. That's not what the hype has been with the media. And I do think that the firefighters that were in Dr. Rea's clinic, did not get their claim paid. I thought at first it was "health insurance," but read on a website it was w/comp. That's interesting.... >> I have seen only one claim denied and that was reversed on appeal. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > That's interesting.... That's Texas rules, which I am not familiar with. The ones I know of in NY are all being paid. Unless GB gets to cut off the special funding. >.. > > That's Texas rules, which I am not familiar with. The ones I know of in > NY are all being paid. > > Unless GB gets to cut off the special funding. That had nothing to do with Texas---it had to do with NY--they were only seen in Texas. So, why did it kicked out of the system for payment, and why were they denied? >> .. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > why were > they denied? I would not know. There are a myriad of reasons, and each claim can have a different one. >>> On Jan 17, 5:49 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: >>>> The six complaints against Bill Rae MD, we know, came anonymously, [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > You are still attempting to obfuscate the original issue, No I am not, Idiot. As Debbee correctly pointed out, I don't do health insurance. and are > avoiding the question. So I'll try again. Somebody has to do this > for America. > > The six complaints against Bill Rae MD, we know, came anonymously, > from New York - and you are one of the suspects. Are you trying to feebly imply that you are somehow involved in the law suit? If so, state YOUR business. Otherwise, drop dead. > Do you, or your company, or any of your regular clients have anything > to do with the series of anonymous complaints filed in Texas against [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Tim Bolen > Mark: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Tim Bolen > Mark: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Discussing the real issue in California... Like I said, I do not play Bolen Bullshit Games. Go screw yourself. > Tim Bolen >> Mark: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Go screw yourself. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/fe499f79a802c506?as_u msgid=4smff.18011$oP5.5060@fe09.lga I will not play your stupid game of Liar! Liar! any longer. If you do not like it, too bad. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/a0ec449dc4dfc3c0 We do not play Liar! Liar! any longer. If you want to play, play with yourself. >> Tim Bolen > "MarkProbert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Mark: You are still attempting to obfuscate the original issue, and are avoiding the question. So I'll try again. Somebody has to do this for America. The six complaints against Bill Rae MD, we know, came anonymously, from New York - and you are one of the suspects. Do you, or your company, or any of your regular clients have anything to do with the series of anonymous complaints filed in Texas against Texas doctors, or any part of an investigation leading up to those anonymous complaints? Discussing the real issue in California... Tim Bolen |
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