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Treating mental states -- with cellsalts
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Carole - 12 Jan 2008 12:23 GMT There's quite a considerable amount of mental symptoms that can be treated with cellsalts. However, this isn't commonly known ie that deficiencies of different nutrients can have an overall effect on a person's mood or behaviour. No, these days the first thought if a person has a mental problem is they need mood altering drugs.
The advantage of using minerals and treating deficiency symptoms is that it is a wholistic concept, you are treating the whole body. The mental condition just becomes an indication for which cellsalt is deficient. And being a wholistic remedy it affects the whole body, and is preventative / preventive (whatever). Not only does it treat the mental condition but may have a beneficial effect on other conditions in the body which may exist and even cut off illness that may arise. They say that often a mental condition is forerunner to physical illness, that the first sign of illness can be a change in outlook.
The following list is taken from the Biochemic Handbook by JB chapman MD and Edward L Perry MD. These tablets are in homeopathic form where kali = potassium, mur = chloride, nat = sodium. also myself, I don't take them all in homeopathic form and use bicarb (sodium), cream of tartar (potassium) and calcium carbonate for as replacement for some of the cellsalts as I find them cheaper and easier to take instead of a lot of tablets.
MENTAL STATES Anxious about future: Calc.Phos. Backwardness: Kali Phos. Brain-fag, from overwork: Kali Phos. Children: Crossness of: Kali Phos. Crying and screaming: Kali Phos. Ill-tempered: Kali Phos. Peevish and fretful: Calc.Phos. Screaming of, at night, during sleep: Kali Phos., Nat. Phos. Somnambulism in: Kali Phos. Depressed spirits: Kali Phos., Calc. Phos., Nat.Mur. Desires solitude: Calc. Phos. Despondent moods: Nat.Mur., Nat.Sulph., Silica Discouraged, feels: Nat.Sulph. Dizziness: Ferr.Phos., Kali Phos. Fainting: Of nervous sensitive persons: Kali Phos. Tendency to: Kali Phos. Fits of crying: Kali Phos. Fits of laughing: Kali Phos. Grasping at imaginary objects: Kali Phos. Home-sickness: Kali Phos. Hopeless, with dejected spirits: Nat.Mur. Illusions, mental: Mag.Phos., Kali Phos. Impatience and nervousness: Kali Phos. Irritability: Kali Phos., Nat.Phos. Irritation, due to biliousness: Nat.Sulph. Melancholy: Nat.Mur., Kali Phos. Memory, poor: Calc.Phos., Kali Phos., Mag. Phos. Mind, wanders from one subject to another: Calc.Phos. Moods, anxious, gloomy: Kali Phos. Overstrain, from mental employment: Kali Phos. Sensitiveness: Kali Phos. Shyness: Kali Phos. Sleeplessness: Kali Phos. Sleepiness: Nat.Mur. Stupor: Nat.Mur. Thought, cannot concentrate: Calc.Phos. Thought, difficulty of: Silica. Weeps easily: Nat.Mur.
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Martin - 12 Jan 2008 15:57 GMT >There's quite a considerable amount of mental symptoms that can be treated >with cellsalts. Can you treat paranoia with cellsalts? Amd I notice you say that cellsalts can treat symptoms. I thought the products of Evil Big Pharma treated symptoms but cellsalts took care of the real underlying cause. Seems I was wrong.
>However, this isn't commonly known ie that deficiencies of different >nutrients can have an overall effect on a person's mood or behaviour. Heh, I see you haven't met my wife. You should see her when she's hungry.
>No, these days the first thought if a person has a mental problem is they >need mood altering drugs. Let me see: cellsalts are a substance with a physiological effect, that makes them drugs. You claim cellsalts can treat mental symptoms, ie, remove depression, which is altering someone's mood. Therefor, cellsalts are mood altering drugs. So this means you oppose the use of cellsalts?
>The advantage of using minerals and treating deficiency symptoms is that it >is a wholistic concept, you are treating the whole body. But in your first sentence you said it treats symptoms? You're confusing me here Carole.
> The mental condition just becomes an indication for which cellsalt is deficient. >And being a wholistic remedy it affects the whole body, and is preventative >/ preventive (whatever). What do you mean by that? Does that mean that if I take cellsalts and I never ever become psychotic, that proves that cellsalts work?
>Not only does it treat the mental condition but may have a beneficial effect >on other conditions in the body which may exist and even cut off illness [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] >Carole >www.cellsalts.net Oh c'mon, these aren't mental problems. Allthough I might try the remedy against stupor. I get that problem a lot when I read your posts.
Carole - 12 Jan 2008 17:08 GMT > >There's quite a considerable amount of mental symptoms that can be treated > >with cellsalts. > > Can you treat paranoia with cellsalts? Probably, but I don't think you can treat stupidity.
> Amd I notice you say that cellsalts can treat symptoms. I thought the > products of Evil Big Pharma treated symptoms but cellsalts took care > of the real underlying cause. Seems I was wrong. You'd be wrong on many things.
> >However, this isn't commonly known ie that deficiencies of different > >nutrients can have an overall effect on a person's mood or behaviour. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > cellsalts are mood altering drugs. So this means you oppose the use of > cellsalts? Now, let me understand... you think food is a drug, right?
> >The advantage of using minerals and treating deficiency symptoms is that it > >is a wholistic concept, you are treating the whole body. > > But in your first sentence you said it treats symptoms? You're > confusing me here Carole. That wouldn't be hard.
> > The mental condition just becomes an indication for which cellsalt is deficient. > >And being a wholistic remedy it affects the whole body, and is preventative [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > remedy against stupor. I get that problem a lot when I read your > posts. Simple solution Martin, don't read my posts.
Carole www.cellsalts.net
Martin - 12 Jan 2008 18:04 GMT >> >There's quite a considerable amount of mental symptoms that can be >treated [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >Now, let me understand... you think food is a drug, right? No, substances with the effect you ascribe to cellsalts are a drug. I see I used the word 'physiological'. My bad, should have been 'pharmacological'.
>> >The advantage of using minerals and treating deficiency symptoms is that >it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >That wouldn't be hard. But how about answering the implicit question here Carole: do cellsalts treat symptoms, as you claim in your first sentence, or do they treat the cause of the problem, as you are claiming here. What is it Carole?
>> > The mental condition just becomes an indication for which cellsalt is >deficient. [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > >Simple solution Martin, don't read my posts. No, that would make matters worse. Remember the homeopathic law of infinitesimals? The smaller the dose, the greater the effect. So if I don't read your posts, the problem will be much of worse. Unless of course, homeopathy is wrong about that.
>Carole >www.cellsalts.net Carole - 12 Jan 2008 18:26 GMT > >> Let me see: cellsalts are a substance with a physiological effect, > >> that makes them drugs. You claim cellsalts can treat mental symptoms, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > see I used the word 'physiological'. My bad, should have been > 'pharmacological'. I disagree, cellsalts treat deficiencies.
> >> >The advantage of using minerals and treating deficiency symptoms is that > >it [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > they treat the cause of the problem, as you are claiming here. What is > it Carole? Cellsalts treat deficiencies of minerals that are deficient in the body. Do you know what a deficiency is? Do you know what an RDA is? An RDA is a recommended daily allowance for a nutritional substance. Mineral deficiencies can build up over time.
Here's a question for you Martin. Do people get deficiencies of pharmaceutical drugs?
Carole www.cellsalts.net
Martin - 12 Jan 2008 23:04 GMT >> >> Let me see: cellsalts are a substance with a physiological effect, >> >> that makes them drugs. You claim cellsalts can treat mental symptoms, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >I disagree, cellsalts treat deficiencies. A pharmacological substance is a substance that produces a change in function in a living organism. Since, according to your claim, cellsalts do just that, they are, by definition, a pharmacological substance. Since the change in function is medically related, they are, again by definition, a drug. Like it or not Carole, but that is how these things are defined.
>> >> >The advantage of using minerals and treating deficiency symptoms is >that [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >An RDA is a recommended daily allowance for a nutritional substance. >Mineral deficiencies can build up over time. I notice you still didn't answer the question Carole. Do cellsalts treat a) symptoms or b) the underlying cause. This is what is called a closed question Carole, the only acceptable answer is a or b. And a rant about deficiences is *not* answer. So what is it Carole, a or b? (I know I repeat myself, but please type either a or b, no more, no less)
>Here's a question for you Martin. >Do people get deficiencies of pharmaceutical drugs? You answer my question first, with a or b please.
>Carole >www.cellsalts.net Carole - 13 Jan 2008 15:52 GMT > >> >> Let me see: cellsalts are a substance with a physiological effect, > >> >> that makes them drugs. You claim cellsalts can treat mental symptoms, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > are, again by definition, a drug. Like it or not Carole, but that is > how these things are defined. No, you've got it wrong Martin. A deficiency of a nutrient causes a change in the organism. Reversing the deficiency returns the organism to normal function.
Pharmaceutical products change the function in an abnormal way.
Carole www.cellsalts.net
Martin - 13 Jan 2008 20:29 GMT >> >> >> Let me see: cellsalts are a substance with a physiological effect, >> >> >> that makes them drugs. You claim cellsalts can treat mental [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >A deficiency of a nutrient causes a change in the organism. >Reversing the deficiency returns the organism to normal function. Going from an abnormal function to a normal function is still a change in function.
>Pharmaceutical products change the function in an abnormal way. Read the definition again Carole. The definition says '*change* in function'. No word on 'normal' or 'abnormal'. So, by definition, cellsalts are drugs.
>Carole >www.cellsalts.net Jan Drew - 13 Jan 2008 01:02 GMT >> >> Let me see: cellsalts are a substance with a physiological effect, >> >> that makes them drugs. You claim cellsalts can treat mental symptoms, [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Carole > www.cellsalts.net Jan Drew - 13 Jan 2008 01:02 GMT >>> >There's quite a considerable amount of mental symptoms that can be >>treated [quoted text clipped - 134 lines] >>Carole >>www.cellsalts.net Jan Drew - 13 Jan 2008 01:10 GMT Martin" <idontwantno@spam
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