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Part 2: Jan Drew's Hatred For Jews
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Mark Thorson - 10 Jan 2008 03:26 GMT Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030718213628.28226.00000180%40mb-m24.aol.com
Their are Jews here and there are atheists, (they are the ones who have told the group) with the exception of IIena, they have proven themselves to be liars, deceitful and insulters.
Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030630184145.13643.00002027%40mb-m11.aol.com
That's because most every atheist and jew here has INDEED lied. They know it, yet they cover for each other.
Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030614013041.10617.00001458%40mb-m15.aol.com
The group here are mostly atheists and jews, (who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need to have an argument going, thinking they can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and IMHO are lead by Satan.
Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030613000639.06893.00001804%40mb-m19.aol.com
The truth is that most debunkers on MHA who LIE through their tetth, do nothing but belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists or jews.
Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030612202124.06893.00001784%40mb-m19.aol.com
I repeat: The debubnker's here are atheist or jews.
Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030612014151.04369.00001280%40mb-m15.aol.com
No, they aren't right, they are greatly deceived as Eve was when Satan debunked God's word. That was the start of debunking. Then the jews Jesus's very own people tried to debunk his words, and even debunked his miracles whch happened right before their eyes.
Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030612011123.04369.00001278%40mb-m15.aol.com
Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him. They debunked all his words and works, and now debunking and lies are second nature to them. That is how Satan works.
Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030610213830.23300.00000368%40mb-m26.aol.com
Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.
Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030324214236.16466.00000249%40mb-mf.aol.com
It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng, with their vile false accusations and they are all filled with hate.
Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030324214236.16466.00000249%40mb-mf.aol.com
It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way involved.
Debbee - 10 Jan 2008 03:59 GMT > Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:http://www.google.com/groups? Is this that important for you to do?
Jan Drew - 10 Jan 2008 05:01 GMT Off topic. This IS a health newsgroup.
"Mark Thorson"
The One True Zhen Jue - 10 Jan 2008 05:10 GMT > Off topic. This IS a health newsgroup. > > "Mark Thorson" No, it is on topic and on target with regard to Jan Drew. Why would she post anti-semitic hate speech to a health alternatives newsgroup?
Simple, her bigotry is far more important to her than anything related to health or health alternatives.
JayDee - 10 Jan 2008 09:49 GMT On Jan 9, 9:10 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Off topic. This IS a health newsgroup. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Simple, her bigotry is far more important to her than anything related > to health or health alternatives. Jan Drew is retarded.
Richard Schultz - 10 Jan 2008 10:46 GMT In misc.health.alternative JayDee <dopamine@mail.com> wrote:
: Jan Drew is retarded. It's all that mercury amalgam that she was forced to ingest.
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"
Jan Drew - 11 Jan 2008 05:19 GMT Oh, lookie, lookie, Richard is ever so to eager to yak about off-topic.
"Richard Schultz" <schultr@mail.biu.ack.il>
Debbee - 10 Jan 2008 16:53 GMT > Jan Drew is retarded. Wow, that's a real nice thing to say about someone you do not know....is this your job? LOL
Richard Schultz - 10 Jan 2008 20:53 GMT In misc.health.alternative Debbee <Butterflies2222@yahoo.com> wrote:
:> Jan Drew is retarded.
: Wow, that's a real nice thing to say about someone you : do not know....is this your job? LOL Would you rather that he had said that anyone who posts the acronym "LOL," especially as a reaction to the poster's own comments, is retarded?
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
Debbee - 10 Jan 2008 22:40 GMT > Would you rather that he had said that anyone who posts the acronym "LOL," > especially as a reaction to the poster's own comments, is retarded? > > ----- it must be rough be a loser, but you do it so well....LOL
Jan Drew - 11 Jan 2008 05:17 GMT On Jan 9, 9:10 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 10, 12:01 am, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Simple, her bigotry is far more important to her than anything related > to health or health alternatives. Jan Drew is retarded.
You sure you don't need another dose of Piracetam? How about a cigarette, or some dopamine to help your brain?
Peter Bowditch - 11 Jan 2008 09:58 GMT >Jan Drew is retarded. As this line was not preceded by a quote indication, I can only assume that Jan believes it to be true. She would never lie.
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Peter Bowditch - 10 Jan 2008 12:04 GMT >Off topic. This IS a health newsgroup. > >"Mark Thorson" And Mark appeared to be quoting things said by you in this newsgroup. Why did you say these things?
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Richard Schultz - 10 Jan 2008 12:26 GMT In misc.health.alternative Peter Bowditch <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote:
:>Off topic. This IS a health newsgroup.
:>"Mark Thorson"
: And Mark appeared to be quoting things said by you in this newsgroup. : Why did you say these things? Could it be because the Black Death was caused by Jews poisoning the wells?
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- The real trouble with the Jews is that they are cruel. Anybody with a knowledge of history knows how they tortured poor debtors in secret catacombs, all through the Middle Ages. Whereas the Nordic is distinguished by his gentleness and his kind-heartedness to friends, children, dogs, and people of inferior races. B. Windrip, _Zero Hour_
Jan Drew - 11 Jan 2008 05:34 GMT > In misc.health.alternative Peter Bowditch <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Could it be because the Black Death was caused by Jews poisoning the > wells? I dunno. Are you a Jew? You smell and act like a Jew.
> ----- > Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > and people of inferior races. > B. Windrip, _Zero Hour_ Richard Schultz - 11 Jan 2008 08:26 GMT In misc.health.alternative Jan Drew <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
: I dunno. Are you a Jew? You smell and act like a Jew. How would you know what I smell like?
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- The real trouble with the Jews is that they are cruel. Anybody with a knowledge of history knows how they tortured poor debtors in secret catacombs, all through the Middle Ages. Whereas the Nordic is distinguished by his gentleness and his kind-heartedness to friends, children, dogs, and people of inferior races. B. Windrip, _Zero Hour_
Peter Bowditch - 11 Jan 2008 09:59 GMT >I dunno. Are you a Jew? You smell and act like a Jew. And this woman claims that she is not a bigot!
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Richard Schultz - 11 Jan 2008 10:41 GMT In misc.health.alternative Peter Bowditch <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote:
:>I dunno. Are you a Jew? You smell and act like a Jew.
: And this woman claims that she is not a bigot! I wasn't aware that Jews smell different from non-Jews, but I'm willing to take Ms. Drew's word for it. Maybe all of that schmaltz affects our body odor and we don't eat enough sand to make up for it. It is certainly true, however, that I do things that are consistent with my being described as someone who acts like a Jew (going to synagogue, observing the Sabbath, etc.).
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."
Debbee - 11 Jan 2008 14:59 GMT > Jan::>I dunno. Are you a Jew? You smell and act like a Jew. > > Richard:: And this woman claims that she is not a bigot! --- I dislike the manner in which the U.S.A is involved with Israel, Richard, does this make me a bigot too? But there are a lot of countries I do not think we should be involved in. I had to laugh at an anti war rally in San Francisco, there are various signs, the news showed a sign that said, "Out of Israel, Now." I agree whole heartedly! Too much liberalism is hurting our country, that's why I like Fred Thompson's message, and think he would be a good president. I love his ideas on immigration. It would appear that many atheists are liberals, and it would appear that some individuals of Jewish heritage are liberal but other cultural and religious backgrounds as well. Some individuals have the idea that only those of Jewish heritage are the only liberals in this country, and I believe Jan may be one of them. That's not to say she is a bigot, when I think her idea of who is a liberal and who is not a liberal may be misunderstood, I know my thinking was clouded until I heard a lecture about 3 years ago at a republican party event that opened the eyes of a crowded hall in Rancho Cordova, CA.
This goes hand in hand with alternative medicine, and there are many people that believe that only Christians, or conservative individuals support alternative health care. This is also not a good way of thinking. There are liberals that support alternative health care as well, but it would appear that the majority of them do not support alternative health care as I understand it, from reading various articles on the web.
That's why I have often wondered in the past weeks if the attack upon Dr. Rea's license has come from atheists, or liberals; as Dr. Rea is a Christian doctor. His faith has kept him strong over the years and one of the biggest tools I ever got from him was his support in prayer. It renewed my faith in God; to find someone with an open mind; someone that also has MCS, who nearly went out of his mind to find help, and when he got better he opened a clinic so that others would not have to suffer like he suffered. That's the Christian way of thinking. It would appear that the individuals that post against MCS, environmental illness or alternative medicine in this newsgroup and others, are predominately not of the Christian faith or appear to have no faith; making me wonder if these attacks on his license may be from individuals that are attacking him are attacking his religious beliefs as well.
I think, though, Thorson, we should discuss your lawsuit with Cell Tech a little more thoroughly; I know you dislike like talking about your lawsuit with Cell Tech; probably as much as I do not wish to discuss my lawsuit; but your buddies here keep bringing it up---there was a settlement agreement in my case, how about yours? I've kept to my agreement, and that's why I ignore your friends in their attempt to make me discuss it. Our case settled out of court--it just wasn't I that was sued, it was another party that was sued with me and should have been sued separately, in my opinion which was also the opinion of my attorneys. I don't feel bad about the settlement agreement, and that's why I have stuck to it.
It would appear that I know what "your job" is; it is to post studies about MCS; it is also your job to attack those of us that have used alternative medicine, to get through the worst of our MCS. What I guess, I do not understand, is why are there Chemists that post and read here, semi-conductor industry engineers, that post against this diagnosis, when companies like IBM and utility companies, have repeatedly been in the news for the toxic dumping of chemicals in towns? How about those families in Hinckley, CA? Thanks to a file clerk with an investigative mind whose law firm, amongst others is now involved with a suit in NY against IBM, perhaps justice will prevail again. Does the public have the right to suffer for big business? Absolutely not. No one should ever put any one in any danger of any chemicals, that could possibly harm them in any way. What do you personally have against the diagnosis, MCS? Why the repeated postings about chemical studies not being able to attack more than the mind in any manner? Ever read a MSDS sheet for any of the hazardous chemicals used in the semi conductor industry? Some of the stuff used was pretty scary stuff to numerous body parts!!
By all means, keep reposting Jan's old postings. I think everyone that supports alternative health choices in some manner that has been constantly attacked by members of this happy group here, should feel free to do the same with those that do not support alternative health care. Can you only imagine how many off topic threads will be in there very soon. This could be a very fun Friday afternoon after all!!! LOL
Have a nice day....
Richard Schultz - 12 Jan 2008 21:00 GMT In misc.health.alternative Debbee <Butterflies2222@yahoo.com> wrote:
:> Jan::>I dunno. ?Are you a Jew? ?You smell and act like a Jew. :> :> Richard:: And this woman claims that she is not a bigot!
: I dislike the manner in which the U.S.A is involved with Israel, : Richard, does this make me a bigot too? I did not write the words that you attribute to me. Remind me again about how not-stupid you are.
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- ". . . for while he was not dumber than an ox, he was not any smarter." -- James Thurber, _My Life and Hard Times_
Debbee - 12 Jan 2008 21:15 GMT > Debbee: I dislike the manner in which the U.S.A is involved with Israel, > : Richard, does this make me a bigot too? > >Richard: I did not write the words that you attribute to me. Remind me again about > how not-stupid you are. You are correct, I didn't see the "colon marks" usually people use the
>>>>>>><<<<<<<'s to quote. Making an honest mistake has nothing to do with being stupid. By all means, keep posting...LOL
Richard Schultz - 13 Jan 2008 05:24 GMT In misc.health.alternative Debbee <Butterflies2222@yahoo.com> wrote:
: Making an honest mistake has nothing to do with being stupid. But continuing to act as if you know what you are doing in the face of increasing amounts of evidence that you don't *is* evidence of being stupid. Which is why I originally used the term to describe you -- you seem to think that Peter Bowditch was claiming that Brisbane is in the Netherlands, while in fact he was pointing out that you were incapable of figuring out that Martin was posting from the latter rather than the former.
: By all means, keep posting...LOL Typing "LOL" in any context was passe by 1994; typing after one of your own comments is just idiotic.
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "There are no fools as tiresome as those who have some wit." -- La Rochefoucald
Jan Drew - 14 Jan 2008 08:32 GMT > In misc.health.alternative Debbee <Butterflies2222@yahoo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I did not write the words that you attribute to me. Remind me again about > how not-stupid you are. You did repost them, eh, Richard?
Oh, and a recap.
Martin - Is this you? It smells like you?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/fa4ce85ed149d5de
"Richard Schultz" <schu...@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
news:fm4a5i$hr6$6@news.iucc.ac.il...
> In article <370bo3tuosm8cqq49ceujicltlde6hg...@4ax.com>, Peter Bowditch > <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote: > : jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
> : You seem confused, Tim. Why do you reply to me and address me as > : "Martin"?
> Living in a mailbox will do that to you. JD *And you would know this, how? Have actual experience?*
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/73fb84a507f52ef0
In article <gzEhj.61870$eY.55...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net>, Jan Drew <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
: Have RS *"Have" is not the subject of this thread.*
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/19ea9eebacdf202b
RS *My God, you are stupid.*
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/be79affe36e809a2
RS*Well, you sure *act* stupid, as the part of the post that you deleted in your response pretty much proved.
> ----- > Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ". . . for while he was not dumber than an ox, he was not any smarter." > -- James Thurber, _My Life and Hard Times_ Richard Schultz - 14 Jan 2008 10:54 GMT In misc.health.alternative Jan Drew <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
: smells "Smells" is not the topic of this thread.
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
Jan Drew - 15 Jan 2008 00:36 GMT > In misc.health.alternative Jan Drew <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> : smells > > "Smells" is not the topic of this thread. Richard Schultz IS a hypocrite beyond any doubt..Then HE confirms it..................
Is the topic.
Richard Schultz - 15 Jan 2008 05:42 GMT In misc.health.alternative Jan Drew <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
:> In misc.health.alternative Jan Drew <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
:> : smells
:> "Smells" is not the topic of this thread.
: Richard Schultz IS a hypocrite beyond any doubt..Then HE confirms : it.................. : : Is the topic. Then you agree that you posted material not germane to the topic of the thread. If so, why does it bother you when other people do the same?
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- ". . . for while he was not dumber than an ox, he was not any smarter." -- James Thurber, _My Life and Hard Times_
D. C. Sessions - 16 Jan 2008 01:12 GMT > Then you agree that you posted material not germane to the topic of > the thread. If so, why does it bother you when other people do the same? Because on her, it looks good.
| Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+
Jan Drew - 16 Jan 2008 05:31 GMT "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@lymbercartel.com>
>Of course, there isn't REALLY a lymber cartel. We know because your buddy markprobert@lyumbercartel.com.. and markprobert@limbercartel.com is very dishonest and deceitful..not to mention a proven liar.
D. C. Sessions <dcs@lymbercartel.com>
Jan Drew - 16 Jan 2008 05:23 GMT > In misc.health.alternative Jan Drew <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > :> In misc.health.alternative Jan Drew <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Then you agree that you posted material not germane to the topic of > the thread. No, I posted : Richard Schultz is a hypocrite beyond any doubt...Then HE confirms it................. Right on topic.
> you (as in speaking of me) Is not the topic.
> ----- > Richard Schultz dumber than an ox
Richard Schultz - 16 Jan 2008 12:21 GMT In misc.health.alternative Jan Drew <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
:> :> : smells :> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] :> Then you agree that you posted material not germane to the topic of :> the thread. You posted something about smells, and then claimed that the topic of the thread was my alleged hypocrisy. That means that you admit that you posted something not germane to the topic of the thread.
: Right Is not the topic of the thread. See? You've done it again.
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "Gentlemen, Ciccolini here may look like an idiot, and talk like an idiot, but don't let that fool you -- he really is an idiot."
Jan Drew - 17 Jan 2008 04:58 GMT > In misc.health.alternative Jan Drew <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > the thread was my alleged hypocrisy. That means that you admit that > you posted something not germane to the topic of the thread. No. NOT alleged hyporcrisy.
Proven beyond any doubt.
"Richard Schultz" <schu...@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
news:fmb9q8$2nc$4@news.iucc.ac.il...
> In misc.health.alternative Debbee <Butterflies2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> :> Jan::>I dunno. ?Are you a Jew? ?You smell and act like a Jew. > :> > :> Richard:: And this woman claims that she is not a bigot!
> : I dislike the manner in which the U.S.A is involved with Israel, > : Richard, does this make me a bigot too?
> I did not write the words that you attribute to me. Remind me again about > how not-stupid you are. You did repost them, eh, Richard?
Oh, and a recap.
Martin - Is this you? It smells like you?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/fa4ce85ed1...
"Richard Schultz" <schu...@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
news:fm4a5i$hr6$6@news.iucc.ac.il...
> In article <370bo3tuosm8cqq49ceujicltlde6hg...@4ax.com>, Peter Bowditch > <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote: > : jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > : You seem confused, Tim. Why do you reply to me and address me as > : "Martin"? > Living in a mailbox will do that to you. JD *And you would know this, how? Have actual experience?*
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/73fb84a507...
In article <gzEhj.61870$eY.55...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net>, Jan Drew
<jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
: Have RS *"Have" is not the subject of this thread.*
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/19ea9eebac...
RS *My God, you are stupid.*
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/be79affe36...
RS*Well, you sure *act* stupid, as the part of the post that you deleted in your response pretty much proved.
> ----- > Richard Schultz schu...@mail.biu.ac.il [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ". . . for while he was not dumber than an ox, he was not any smarter." > -- James Thurber, _My Life and Hard Times_ JD smell There you go again. smell is not the subject.
> Richard Schultz he really is an idiot.
Debbee - 15 Jan 2008 02:06 GMT > "Smells" is not the topic of this thread. You are absolutely correct, Dr. Richard....Jan cannot possibly smell you from whatever she lives-shame on you Jan--you may end up in the corner with Peter B if you keep acting up (separate corners I might add) ----so I went digging, and thought if would help if she had a visual...Nice photo---what are you playing, Chopsticks? :>)
http://www.sibeliusmusic.com/cgi-bin/user_page.pl?url=rschultz
Richard Schultz - 15 Jan 2008 05:43 GMT In misc.health.alternative Debbee <Butterflies2222@yahoo.com> wrote:
: You are absolutely correct, Dr. Richard....Jan cannot possibly smell : you from whatever she lives-shame on you Jan--you may end up in the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : : http://www.sibeliusmusic.com/cgi-bin/user_page.pl?url=rschultz In that particular photograph, I was playing (just to be playing something while the photograph was being taken) No. 5 from "12 Danzas Espanolas" by Enrique Granados.
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
Jan Drew - 16 Jan 2008 05:11 GMT On Jan 14, 2:54 am, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> "Smells" is not the topic of this thread. You are absolutely correct, Dr. Richard....Jan cannot possibly smell you from whatever she lives-shame on you Jan--you may end up in the corner with Peter B if you keep acting up (separate corners I might add) ----so I went digging, and thought if would help if she had a visual...Nice photo---what are you playing, Chopsticks? :>)
Hey, now wait a minute or three. Dontchaknow putting kiddies in the corner now days is a form of abuse? It stifles the imagination......
http://www.sibeliusmusic.com/cgi-bin/user_page.pl?url=rschultz
Say it isn't so...*while his chemistry professors weren't looking.*
methinks, his nose is bout long enuff to smell me...though.
Mark Probert - 14 Jan 2008 04:39 GMT >> Jan::>I dunno. Are you a Jew? You smell and act like a Jew. >> >> Richard:: And this woman claims that she is not a bigot! >> > --- > I dislike the manner in which the U.S.A is involved with Israel, You dislike our support of the only democracy in the middle east.
> Richard, does this > make me a bigot too? But there are a lot of countries I do not think > we should be > involved in. Name them.
I had to laugh at an anti war rally in San Francisco,
> there are various > signs, the news showed a sign that said, "Out of Israel, Now." I > agree whole heartedly! We are not *in* Israel. No bases.
> Too much liberalism is hurting our country, Staunch conservatives support our involvement with Israel.
that's why I like Fred
> Thompson's message, > and think he would be a good president. I love his ideas on > immigration. It would appear that > many atheists are liberals, and it would appear that some individuals > of Jewish heritage are liberal but other cultural and religious > backgrounds as well. Did you ever know that there are a vast number of Jews who are right wing?
Some individuals have the idea that only those
> of Jewish heritage are the only liberals in this country, Agreed. I point out that Ted Kennedy is a closet Rabbi. John Kerry is his cantor.
Barack Obama was Bar Mitzvah.
and I
> believe Jan may be one of them. That's not to say she is a bigot, when > I think her idea of who is a liberal and who is not a liberal may be [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > Have a nice day.... Jan Drew - 15 Jan 2008 00:16 GMT >>> Jan::>I dunno. Are you a Jew? You smell and act like a Jew. >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > We are not *in* Israel. No bases. Who posted anything about *we*? Richard IS in Israel...or so he says.
>> Too much liberalism is hurting our country, > [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] >> >> Have a nice day.... Debbee - 10 Jan 2008 16:54 GMT > And Mark appeared to be quoting things said by you in this newsgroup. > Why did you say these things? Does she not have freedom of speech like you do, Peter?
Peter Bowditch - 10 Jan 2008 22:07 GMT >> And Mark appeared to be quoting things said by you in this newsgroup. >> Why did you say these things? > >Does she not have freedom of speech like you do, Peter? How can what I wrote above be interpreted in any way as an attack on freedom of speech? Jan had claimed that quoting things she had said in this group was off-topic for the group. If so, why did she say those things here? She is perfectly entitled to say whatever she wants,. just as anyone else is free to comment on and criticise what she says.
My opinions about freedom of speech are well known. It is the fundamental freedom, because without it there can be no freedom of thought.
There are currently 59 pages in my Millenium Project site which can be found by a search for "freedom of speech". Here is me defending the right of a holocaust denier to spew filth on his web site:
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/freespeech.htm
You can see some comments I made about censorship at http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/history/2004/04april.htm#10snatched. Further up that page there is more under the heading "Marilyn Manson", and just below that is a notice about how a quack attacked my free speech rights using trademark law rather than science.
I have stated on several occasions that I will never sue anyone for defaming me, as I believe that the only reasonable response to speech is more speech. I am a great fan of Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr (and not just because of his wife's maiden name or the fact that one of my favourite musicians is named after him).
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Debbee - 10 Jan 2008 22:50 GMT > Debbee>Does she not have freedom of speech like you do, Peter? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Peter, let me see if I get this picture correctly. It is OK for your people (LOL) to cut and paste and not post the other comments that the individuals were making towards Jan when she made these comments in the first place? Does she not have the right to say these things? Just because you are of a certain cultural background doesn't mean that everyone you meet is going to accept that cultural background or heritage; and people should be able to say what they want without someone else determining it is "hate speech." I love the movie, Blazing Saddles, and the reason, it makes fun of absolutely everyone.......it's wonderful.....
>Peter: I have stated on several occasions that I will never sue anyone for > defaming me, as I believe that the only reasonable response to speech [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -- Good for you
Jan Drew - 11 Jan 2008 05:28 GMT >>Off topic. This IS a health newsgroup. >> >>"Mark Thorson" > > And Mark appeared to be quoting things said by you in this newsgroup. > Why did you say these things? Because they are absolutely true. Look in the mirror, atheist. However, Mark Thorson the retraction maker and proven liar chose this title. It shows NO hatred. Sorry, if the truth offends you and the ilk gang.
Why do you keep posting LIES and SPAM everytime you post?
The One True Zhen Jue - 11 Jan 2008 05:36 GMT > >>Off topic. This IS a health newsgroup. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Because they are absolutely true. Translation: "I, Jan Drew, am a bigot and am proud of it. I hate Jews and anyone else who may hold any view contrary to my own, regardless of my limited education."
Look in the mirror, atheist.
> However, Mark Thorson the retraction maker and proven liar chose this title. > It shows NO hatred. > Sorry, if the truth offends you and the ilk gang. No, what offends us is the delight you take in withholding lifesaving vaccines for children, not to mention handling your own feces. On the other hand, you were quite offended when I suggested that you used gloves when handling your feces.
> Why do you keep posting LIES and SPAM everytime you post? Jan, why don't you show us what you are claiming is spam? Even Ilena and Lil Doobie haven't suggested that Peter Bowditch is a spammer.
> > -- > > Peter Bowditch- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Peter Bowditch - 11 Jan 2008 10:04 GMT >>>Off topic. This IS a health newsgroup. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Because they are absolutely true. Look in the mirror, atheist. So your "absolutely true" statements about Jews are really about atheists? Have you started weekend drinking early this week?
>However, Mark Thorson the retraction maker and proven liar chose this title. That's what original posters do.
>It shows NO hatred. Of course it doesn't. Saying nasty things about Jews proves that you love them. Tell us about how some of your best friends are ...
>Sorry, if the truth offends you and the ilk gang. What is an "ilk gang"? And we are rarely if ever offended by the truth. Bigotry is another matter.
>Why do you keep posting LIES and SPAM everytime you post? Why do you keep saying this without offering any evidence?
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Debbee - 15 Jan 2008 01:58 GMT > Off topic. This IS a health newsgroup. > > "Mark Thorson" Jan, I wanted to give you a head's up---you look simply marvelous with a hair on your lip. You are referred to as the Naturopathicmafia.
Someone spent lots of time doing a website for you-----you should be proud----apparently don't like your support of alternative medicine...
Thought you would enjoy laughing with me-----I wonder if the person that went to all of this trouble posts in the newsgroups anywhere? Wonder who did it?
http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/
Steve Young - 15 Jan 2008 02:32 GMT On Jan 9, 9:01 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Off topic. This IS a health newsgroup. > > "Mark Thorson" "Jan, I wanted to give you a head's up---you look simply marvelous with a hair on your lip. You are referred to as the Naturopathicmafia.
Someone spent lots of time doing a website for you-----you should be proud----apparently don't like your support of alternative medicine...
Thought you would enjoy laughing with me-----I wonder if the person that went to all of this trouble posts in the newsgroups anywhere? Wonder who did it?"
my first question: how did you come across this? ==> http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/ perhaps you know more than you tell? it *is* funny so Jan has a heavy lifting admirer ;)))
Debbee - 15 Jan 2008 07:37 GMT > my first question: how did you come across this? > ==>http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/ > perhaps you know more than you tell? it *is* funny > so Jan has a heavy lifting admirer ;))) It was posted on the internet and when I was reading about naturopaths and reading different views, that I opened this one, didn't recognize the picture, until I read the website and realized it was our Ms Drew. The way PeterB had her pictured was much different than the photo. She is a very pleasant looking person.
Richard Schultz - 15 Jan 2008 12:44 GMT In misc.health.alternative Debbee <Butterflies2222@yahoo.com> wrote:
: I read the website and realized it was our Ms Drew. The : way PeterB had her pictured was much different than the : photo. She is a very pleasant looking person. Jan Drew does not exist -- she is a poorly implemented AI program (a la Eliza). Naturally, her programmers would choose a photograph of a "very pleasant looking person" for additional verisimilitude.
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."
Fly Swatter - 16 Jan 2008 02:29 GMT > In misc.health.alternative Debbee <Butterflies2222@yahoo.com> wrote:
> : I read the website and realized it was our Ms Drew. The > : way PeterB had her pictured was much different than the > : photo. She is a very pleasant looking person.
> Jan Drew does not exist -- she is a poorly implemented AI program > (a la Eliza). Naturally, her programmers would choose a photograph of > a "very pleasant looking person" for additional verisimilitude. handlers!? that does seem to be going around <grin>
Jan Drew - 16 Jan 2008 06:05 GMT > In misc.health.alternative Debbee <Butterflies2222@yahoo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jan Drew does not exist Hmm. Ledmeseecheer. OUCH! yep it is me, I am still alive..
-- she is a poorly implemented AI program
> (a la Eliza). Oh, hecky durn, I am found out. Crushed I am.....
Naturally, her programmers would choose a photograph of
> a "very pleasant looking person" for additional verisimilitude. Could you get me on your itunes, Richey? Purrrrrrrrdy please.
> ----- > Richard Schultz smell smell is not the topic...............................................
Jan Drew - 16 Jan 2008 05:56 GMT On Jan 14, 6:32 pm, "Steve Young" <bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet> wrote:
> my first question: how did you come across this? > ==>http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/ > perhaps you know more than you tell? it *is* funny > so Jan has a heavy lifting admirer ;))) It was posted on the internet and when I was reading about naturopaths and reading different views, that I opened this one, didn't recognize the picture, until I read the website and realized it was our Ms Drew. The way PeterB had her pictured was much different than the photo. She is a very pleasant looking person.
Thanks, Debbee, but that wasn't PeterB, is was the one and only true proven liar, Andrew Kingoff/aka ilsa9W who tripped all over himself when he made up the lie.
Peter Bowditch - 15 Jan 2008 06:59 GMT >> Off topic. This IS a health newsgroup. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >that went to all of this trouble posts in the newsgroups anywhere? >Wonder who did it? Aribert Deckers
Hasn't been seen here for yonks.
>http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/
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Debbee - 15 Jan 2008 07:41 GMT >Debbee: >Wonder who did it? > >Peter B Aribert Deckers > > Peter B Hasn't been seen here for yonks. Who is/was Aribert Deckers? And would he be so spiteful? I take it not another alternative medicine fan.
Jan Drew - 16 Jan 2008 06:11 GMT >>> Off topic. This IS a health newsgroup. >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Aribert Deckers Umm, no. He put up the website. He did not add the mustache.
Remember Nidiffer who liked the words Liar Liar Liar. Except when it was doing the lying.
> Hasn't been seen here for yonks. > >>http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/ Peter Bowditch - 16 Jan 2008 22:13 GMT >>>> Off topic. This IS a health newsgroup. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Umm, no. He put up the website. He did not add the mustache. I had never seen the picture before, and I don't remember ever seeing the web site. I do remember Aribert, however, but that doesn't mean I ever agreed with his opinions or tactics.
I suggest you contact Geocities and have the page removed. This is a case where I would support such an action because the page serves no function beyond abuse.
>Remember Nidiffer who liked the words Liar Liar Liar. >Except when it was doing the lying. >> >> Hasn't been seen here for yonks. >> >>>http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/
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Jan Drew - 16 Jan 2008 05:51 GMT On Jan 9, 9:01 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Off topic. This IS a health newsgroup. > > "Mark Thorson" Jan, I wanted to give you a head's up---you look simply marvelous with a hair on your lip. You are referred to as the Naturopathicmafia.
Why, thanks, Debbee. I do make a nice lookin *man* dontchathink? I have a good barber who keeps me mustache nicely trimmed. Mark Probert should try to find him, his is bushy.......
Someone spent lots of time doing a website for you-----you should be proud----apparently don't like your support of alternative medicine...
Thought you would enjoy laughing with me-----I wonder if the person that went to all of this trouble posts in the newsgroups anywhere? Wonder who did it?
http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/
methinks that was most likely Coleah, or Nidiffer. But, please don't tell anybody.
Oh, and btw, that was 50 pounds ago.
Steve Young - 10 Jan 2008 22:35 GMT "Mark Thorson" <nospam@sonic.net> wrote a bunch of garbage
Aren't you barking up the wrong tree there Mark? There's *real* work to do with that pent up angst
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