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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / January 2008The effect of drinking and exercise on mortality
Bending the Elbow and Conventional Exercise Prolong Life By John Gever, Staff Writer, MedPage Today Published: January 02, 2008 Reviewed by Dori F. Zaleznik, MD; Associate Clinical Professor of Medicine, Harvard Medical School, Boston. COPENHAGEN, Jan. 8 -- Exercise and moderate alcohol intake were correlated with lower death rates over a 20-year period, researchers here found. People who consumed from one to 14 alcoholic beverages a week had 20- year death rates from ischemic heart disease about 30% lower than did non-drinkers across all levels of physical activity, reported Morten Grønbæk, M.D., Ph.D., of the University of Southern Denmark, and colleagues in the online European Heart Journal. It's the latest study to find, as the researchers put it, "adverse health effects associated with alcohol abstention." ......... http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/DietNutrition/dh/7893 Benefits seem to be at least as good as drug treatment such as statins. 30% decrease in heart related deaths and benefit on all cause mortality Thanks Vince > Bending the Elbow and Conventional Exercise Prolong Life > By John Gever, Staff Writer, MedPage Today [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Thanks Vince I'll drink to that. In our collective clinical experience, the folks that are living the longest are the ones who are the hungriest (healthiest) because they have not been overeating thereby accumulating that harmful VAT: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeHealthy > Bending the Elbow and Conventional Exercise Prolong Life > By John Gever, Staff Writer, MedPage Today [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Thanks Vince On Jan 9, 9:32 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > In our collective clinical experience, the folks that are living the > longest are the ones who are the hungriest (healthiest) because they > have not been overeating thereby accumulating that harmful VAT: In our collective experience for these people their life only seems longer because of the misery of being hungry. The people who do live the longest are those who are soleless. Being barefoot is blessed. > Bending the Elbow and Conventional Exercise Prolong Life > By John Gever, Staff Writer, MedPage Today [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > statins. 30% decrease in heart related deaths and benefit on all cause > mortality Here is the related full study: http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/ehm574v1  SignatureJuhana Ravintoblogini: http://ruohikolla.blogspot.com/ > http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/ehm574v1 Was looking at Hazard ratios (95% confidence intervals) for fatal ischaemic heart disease associated with the combined influence of leisure-time physical activity level and weekly alcohol intake among 11 914 men and women (1242 cases). .... Graph. If the error bars are similar or can a line can touch them all it means there is no significant difference. Bill who wonder what Jim thinks. PS Thanks for the post! SignatureBill Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA ICAO = KMIV Bill <b2forewagner@snip.net> wrote in part: >> http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/ehm574v1 > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > PS Thanks for the post! In classical statistics, things are complex because you need to know what comparisons were planned and which were post hoc. It can be messy. But keeping things simple--and not having read the full report!--it looks like the authors want to compare the solid dark circle on the left (inactive nondrinker) with the other categories. Roughly, if the 95% intervals shown include the value for the solid dark circle, the difference is not significant. Drink up! -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA > Bill <b2forewagner@snip.net> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > -- > Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA Skoal ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skoal Bill SignatureBill Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA ICAO = KMIV > > http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/ehm574v1 > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Graph. If the error bars are similar or can a line can touch them all > it means there is no significant difference. Correct. It remains wiser to address the overeating which leads to the formation of VAT, which is the proximate cause of ischaemic heart disease: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeHealthy On Jan 9, 4:37 pm, "Andrew Booted Chung > It remains wiser to address the overeating which leads to the > formation of VAT, which is the proximate cause of ischaemic heart > disease: The VAT may be more proximate because it is closer to the heart, but the cause of heart disease is wearing shoes. "And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground." - Exodus 3:5 Taking off shoes is good ..... being barefoot is blessed. "J666" <jeaanon@gmail.com> 666 appears to fit you. In misc.health.alternative Jan Drew <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote: : 666 appears to fit you. Off-topic. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." > In misc.health.alternative Jan Drew <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > : 666 appears to fit you. > > Off-topic. LOL. Thy name hypocrite. > ----- > Richard Schultz In misc.health.alternative Jan Drew <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote: :> In misc.health.alternative Jan Drew <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote: :> : 666 appears to fit you. :> Off-topic. : LOL. Thy name hypocrite. The problem with making fun of you is that you are too stupid to know when it is being done. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time." -- The French Knight > :> : 666 appears to fit you. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The problem with making fun of you is that you are too stupid to know > when it is being done. Matthew 7:1-2 comes to mind here. May you and other dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD Hunger is wonderful :-) It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish however: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. On Jan 11, 9:17 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > :> : 666 appears to fit you. > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com > Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. I hope you're not deliberately starving yourself to death. God gave food to be eaten and herbs for medicine. Although starvation may put you in an altered state of mind, it is not biblical for man to continually starve himself. If you disagree, show me where the Bible recommends anything in this regard, except not to be a glutton or to fast for short periods. Only God incarnate as Yeshua` the Messiah is deemed to have fasted for a prolonged period, and he had angels ministering to him. On Jan 11, 8:50 am, Linda Lee > If you disagree, show me where the Bible recommends anything in this > regard, except not to be a glutton or to fast for short periods. Only > God incarnate as Yeshua` the Messiah is deemed to have fasted for a > prolonged period, and he had angels ministering to him. Chung does not respond with scientific, medical or theological answers but with his version of science, medicine and theology. On Jan 11, 9:58 am, BusinessAccountEm...@gmail.com wrote: > On Jan 11, 8:50 am, Linda Lee > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Chung does not respond with scientific, medical or theological answers > but with his version of science, medicine and theology. Sounds like he's taking his own advice to starve, and that's why he's so 'out of it'. > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > I hope you're not deliberately starving yourself to death. Because I am wonderfully hungry... ... I know I am not starving. Your false witness is forgiven by me. This simply shows that you are among the lost... http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp ... neither knowing or loving the truth: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ have stopped sinning though we remain sinners... ... this is possible only because we have been forgiven by GOD: http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/ May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:" http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. On Jan 11, 10:46 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com > Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. Chung's foolery in responding speaks loudly for itself. Below is a picture of Chung: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/2007/03/29/head_up_ass.jpg > On Jan 11, 10:46 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > > http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/2007/03/29/hea... That's just how I pictured he would be. On Jan 11, 5:01 pm, Linda Lee > > Below is a picture of Chung: > > >http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/2007/03/29/head_up_ass.jpg > > That's just how I pictured he would be. It is a good picture of him. Not sure how he would weigh what he is eating in that picture. Here is a color picture of him: http://www.keepaustinstupid.com/HEAD-UP-YER-ASS.jpg > On Jan 11, 5:01 pm,LindaLee > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It is a good picture of him. Not sure how he would weigh what he is > eating in that picture. Since he's totally full of sh-t, probably about two hundred pound estimate would do. > Here is a color picture of him: > > http://www.keepaustinstupid.com/HEAD-UP-YER-ASS.jpg On Jan 11, 11:46 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > neighborLindaLeewrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com > Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. Eat some good food, fool. > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > Eat some good food Just did... ... weighed 12 ounces. Know it is good (what GOD wanted me to eat) because want more of it :-) Would not want more of it had there been overeating: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeWise > , fool. Name-calling simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts You do not have much time left, dear Linda: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy May you wisely choose to be right with GOD: http://TruthRUS.org/BeRight Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. On Jan 11, 5:25 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > ... weighed 12 ounces. You weigh your food? > Know it is good (what GOD wanted me to eat) because want more of > it :-) 12 ounces actually sounds like quite a bit of food, so why are you still hungry? > Would not want more of it had there been overeating: Overeating is bad; being continually hungry is also bad. > http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeWise > > > , fool. > > Name-calling simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to > convict you: It was meant to show you you're being foolish. > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts > > You do not have much time left, dear Linda: How would you know? Keep starving yourself to death, and you'll have about three weeks of time left. Everyone reading this needs to say a quick prayer for dear convicted neighbor Andrew Chung for him to realize he is misled and is misleading others by what he claims to be practicing. > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > You weigh your food? Yes. Doing so makes me hungrier, so I know that GOD wants me to do this. "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. HE would not be blessing me if I were not doing what HE wants me to do. Truth is simple. > > Know it is good (what GOD wanted me to eat) because want more of > > it :-) > > 12 ounces actually sounds like quite a bit of food, so why are you > still hungry? The food was delicious. Malaysian rice and oyster pancake. > > Would not want more of it had there been overeating: > > Overeating is bad; Eating until full, stomach stretched, thereby killing the hunger is overeating: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeHealthy > being continually hungry is also bad. Untrue. Noone has ever died from hunger. There is not a single death certificate out there listing hunger as the cause of death. Starvation is not hunger. Folks who are dying of anything including starvation are not hungry. Indeed, those who feel hungry can be assured that they are not dying. "A laborer's appetite motivates him. His hunger drives him on." -- King Solomon (Proverb 16:26) > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeWise > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts > It was meant to show you you're being foolish. "Name-calling is lying" -- Holy Spirit Amen. > > You do not have much time left, dear Linda: > > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy > > How would you know? The same way I knew that our dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio did not have much time left. > Keep starving yourself to death, and you'll have > about three weeks of time left. Started using the 2PD-OMER Approach more than 10 years ago. > Everyone reading this needs to say a quick prayer for dear convicted > neighbor Andrew Chung for him to realize he is misled and is > misleading others by what he claims to be practicing. All prayers are appreciated :-) May we, who have stopped sinning though we remain sinners, continue to pray for your endangered soul: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForLinda Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. On Jan 11, 6:18 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > convicted neighborLindaLeewrote: > [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > > Amen. Luke is paraphrasing Matt. 5:6 "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst ***after righteousness:*** for they shall be filled." But then you don't care, do you? > HE would not be blessing me if I were not doing what HE wants me to > do. > > Truth is simple. You are simple. > > > Know it is good (what GOD wanted me to eat) because want more of > > > it :-) [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Untrue. You're a liar and an abomination to all the millions of people of the world who suffer from hunger every day. > Noone has ever died from hunger. > > There is not a single death certificate out there listing hunger as > the cause of death. Are you crazy? That's a rhetorical question because you definitely must be. Hundreds of thousands of people worldwide die from hunger every day. It's called starvation, not hunger. > Starvation is not hunger. Folks who are dying of anything including > starvation are not hungry. Because in the last stages of starvation, they start to shut down. > Indeed, those who feel hungry can be assured that they are not dying. > > "A laborer's appetite motivates him. His hunger drives him on." -- > King Solomon (Proverb 16:26) A laborer's hunger drives him because he works to eat, to put food on the table. Whereas you work to make people starve themselves. > > >http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeWise > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Amen. You're a fool, a hypocrite, and a blind guide. Amen. > > > You do not have much time left, dearLinda: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The same way I knew that our dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio > did not have much time left. Then that is EVIL of you to tell me "You do not have much time left, dearLinda". You're evil and insane. > > Keep starving yourself to death, and you'll have > > about three weeks of time left. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > All prayers are appreciated :-) I hope they help as you appear hopeless. > May we, who have stopped sinning though we remain sinners, continue to > pray for your endangered soul: Sounds to me more like you're attempting to curse me, you accursed one. That really isn't too bright of you as God blesses me when others curse me. I can see why everyone harasses you here, although you're not worth the effort. > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] > Luke is paraphrasing Matt. 5:6 "Blessed are they which do hunger and > thirst ***after righteousness:*** for they shall be filled." Incorrect. What Luke wrote is not a paraphrase of Matthew 5:6, but rather what the Holy Spirit inspired a physician to write, which would concern physical hunger rather than spiritual hunger. While we remain in this world, there will be the "silver thread" as described in Ecclesiastes that connect the soul with the body so that spiritual hunger will feel the same as physical hunger allowing both Matthew and Luke to describe the flip sides of the same coin. May we, who have had our hearts made discerning by the Holy Spirit, continue to pray for your perishing soul: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForLinda Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. On Jan 11, 9:17 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > :> : 666 appears to fit you. > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com > Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. P.S. This (Matt. 5:6) has nothing to do with starving for food: Matt. 5:6 "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." It is referring to a longing for righteousness; nothing to do with food or drink. > "J666" <jeaanon@gmail.com> > > 666 appears to fit you. It is one of satan's many sockpuppets (corporeal demons), unable to do anything but satan's will. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. >> "J666" <jeaanon@gmail.com> >> >> 666 appears to fit you. > > It is one of satan's many sockpuppets (corporeal demons), unable to do > anything but satan's will. Hey Andrew, I'm a sockpuppet of satan according to you. When I do volunteer work at the AIDS hospice or I am assisting indigent or elderly people with their problems, am I doing satan's will? >>> "J666" <jeaanon@gmail.com> >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > volunteer work at the AIDS hospice or I am assisting indigent or elderly > people with their problems, am I doing satan's will? If you do it for your own glory and prestige, you certainly are. Give the glory to God, He gives you the fortitude and desire to do all you are boasting about. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Satan's Shoe Puppet Andrew B. Chung > It is one of satan's many sockpuppets (corporeal demons), unable to do > anything but satan's will. Chung is one of Satan's Shoe Puppets and therefore lies. The Trinity in Hell is Satan, Satan's Shoe Puppets and last Satan's Sock Puppets. Wearing shoes and socks is Satan's way ..... being barefoot is God's Way "And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground." - Exodus 3:5 Taking off shoes is good ..... being barefoot is blessed. |
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