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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / January 2008The secret to fungus fighting -- cellsalts
The secret to fungus fighting is cellsalts. I know this because I have worked it out myself. It took me quite a long time because it is not just the one cellsalt that gets rid of fungus but the correct balance of sodium, potassium and calcium cellsalts. I used to get, and still do periodically, athletes foot / tinea which everybody knows is a common foot fungus. Any time it starts to itch, I take sodium (bicarb) and potassium (cream of tartar) and calcium carbonate tablets. It takes a little experimenting to work out which one is predominantly deficient at the time, but it works. And if it does work, which it does, it raises the issue of deficiencies of essential cellsalts (potassium, sodium and calcium). If these cellsalts are taken to get rid of a deficiency and it gets rid of fungal disease, then what else does it get rid of? People think that tinea is a simple condition and nothing to worry about, just slap on a bit of anti-fungal ointment or some powder and go about your daily business. That is until something more insidious shows up. Symptoms are nature's warning signs that something is wrong -- instead of suppressing them and just killing the fungus or germ or parasite, if you correct the deficiency what are the chances that every disease can be cured this way? You'll never know following the pharmaceutical mentality of simply killing bugs, until cancer or dementia or some other serious ailment stops you in your tracks. My thinking is that an ounce of prevention beats a pound of cure. Treat the fungus infection the right way and you probably won't get the more advanced diseases. Does this sound too simple? I'm sure you've all heard of KISS. Or maybe you like to make things really complicated, so complicated in fact that despite the fact that the best minds are all hard at work trying to find a cure for cancer and other degenerative conditions, when in fact it all comes down to nutrition / cellsalts. To back up my little speel I'll leave you with the link of Italy's famous on cologist who can't get a hearing for his method because it can't be patented. This oncologist uses bicarbonate of soda to cure cancer. Bicarb helps reduce acidity in the body by supplying sodium cellsalts (sodium phosphate and sulphate). Is the Cause of Cancer a Common Fungus? http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/CancerIsAFungus.html Carole www.cellsalts.net : The secret to fungus fighting is cellsalts. Would you care to explain to us what a "cellsalt" is? Given your abysmal ignorance of chemistry, this ought to be entertaining. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad." > : The secret to fungus fighting is cellsalts. > > Would you care to explain to us what a "cellsalt" is? Given your abysmal > ignorance of chemistry, this ought to be entertaining. There are 12 essential cellsalts - * calcium phosphate, sulphate and fluoride * potassium phosphate, sulphate and chloride * sodium phosphate, sulphate and chloride * magnesium phosphate, silica and ferrum phosphate. According to the cellsalt theory they are typically taken in homeopathic form. However, I take calcium as calcium carbonate, potassium as cream of tartar, bicarb for sodium phosphate and sulphate. Sodium chloride only seems to work as a homeopathic tablet - so I take homeopathic Combination H which contains sodium chloride, mag phos and silicon dioxide and Homeopathic ferrum phos I don't know what a cellsalt is, and didn't invent the theory which was invented by Dr Schuessler in the 1800s. Yes, you're right that my background of chemistry is abysmal, its non-existant actually. I work on the basis of trying things to see if they work. Carole www.cellsalts.net "logic is as logic does" > ----- > Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il > Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel > Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University > ----- > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad." :> In article <47849480$0$11999$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, : Carole <hubbca@iimetro.com.au> wrote: :> : The secret to fungus fighting is cellsalts. :> Would you care to explain to us what a "cellsalt" is? Given your abysmal :> ignorance of chemistry, this ought to be entertaining. : There are 12 essential cellsalts - : * calcium phosphate, sulphate and fluoride : * potassium phosphate, sulphate and chloride : * sodium phosphate, sulphate and chloride : * magnesium phosphate, silica and ferrum phosphate. Silica is not a salt, and there is no such thing as "ferrum" phosphate. : According to the cellsalt theory they are typically taken in homeopathic : form. In other words, they are typically taken at concentrations of zero. : However, I take calcium as calcium carbonate, potassium as cream of tartar, : bicarb for sodium phosphate and sulphate. You do realize that by taking the "cellsalts" in that form, you are not getting any sulfate, chloride, fluoride, or phosphate? : Sodium chloride only seems to work as a homeopathic tablet - Why does it not work as table salt? : I don't know what a cellsalt is, and didn't invent the theory which was : invented by Dr Schuessler in the 1800s. And which theory has subsequently shown to have been wrong. : Yes, you're right that my background of chemistry is abysmal, its : non-existant actually. I work on the basis of trying things to see if they : work. So have you tried therapies based on actually proven theories to see if *they* work? ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." > :> In article <47849480$0$11999$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, > : Carole <hubbca@iimetro.com.au> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > In other words, they are typically taken at concentrations of zero. Homeopathic isn't zero. To prove this take homeopathic silica for underarm odour and it will go away. > : However, I take calcium as calcium carbonate, potassium as cream of tartar, > : bicarb for sodium phosphate and sulphate. > > You do realize that by taking the "cellsalts" in that form, you are not > getting any sulfate, chloride, fluoride, or phosphate? Yes, I realise that but it seems to work anyway. I took the cellsalts as recommended for years then experimented with taking them in this current form, and they still work. Can't explain it though. > : Sodium chloride only seems to work as a homeopathic tablet - > > Why does it not work as table salt? I'd love to know why table salt doesn't work. I can't explain it and only know it through experimentation. Believe me, if table salt worked it would be good. Maybe its in the wrong form. > : I don't know what a cellsalt is, and didn't invent the theory which was > : invented by Dr Schuessler in the 1800s. > > And which theory has subsequently shown to have been wrong. Who says that the theory is wrong? > : Yes, you're right that my background of chemistry is abysmal, its > : non-existant actually. I work on the basis of trying things to see if they > : work. > > So have you tried therapies based on actually proven theories to see > if *they* work? Such as? Carole www.cellsalts.net > ----- > Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il > Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel > Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University > ----- > "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." :> : According to the cellsalt theory they are typically taken in homeopathic :> : form. :> In other words, they are typically taken at concentrations of zero. : Homeopathic isn't zero. Well, actually, it is. : To prove this take homeopathic silica for underarm : odour and it will go away. I fortunately do not have this problem. While some people will argue that the modern Western concept of "bathing" is one that can only lead to detrimental health effects, it does seem to work for me. :> : However, I take calcium as calcium carbonate, potassium as cream of :> : tartar, bicarb for sodium phosphate and sulphate. :> You do realize that by taking the "cellsalts" in that form, you are not :> getting any sulfate, chloride, fluoride, or phosphate? : Yes, I realise that but it seems to work anyway. Do you really not realize that you have just refuted your entire "cellsalt" hypothesis? : I took the cellsalts as recommended for years then experimented with taking : them in this current form, and they still work. Can't explain it though. The explanation is simple enough to anyone capable of rational thought. :> : Sodium chloride only seems to work as a homeopathic tablet - :> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : I can't explain it and only know it through experimentation. Believe me, if : table salt worked it would be good. Maybe its in the wrong form. How many "forms" do you think sodium chloride has once it has been dissolved in water? :> : I don't know what a cellsalt is, and didn't invent the theory which was :> : invented by Dr Schuessler in the 1800s. :> And which theory has subsequently shown to have been wrong. : Who says that the theory is wrong? Anyone who knows anything at all about what inorganic elements actually do in the body. :> : Yes, you're right that my background of chemistry is abysmal, its :> : non-existant actually. I work on the basis of trying things to see if :> : they work. :> So have you tried therapies based on actually proven theories to see :> if *they* work? : Such as? Such as, for instance, soap and water to eliminate body odor? ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- ". . . for while he was not dumber than an ox, he was not any smarter." -- James Thurber, _My Life and Hard Times_ > :> : According to the cellsalt theory they are typically taken in homeopathic > :> : form. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Well, actually, it is. We don't know what homeopathy really is. Physically it might be the equivalent to zero, but there is something else that makes it work. I tend to think that it is something to do with creating an etheric field. If you get into some vedic types of diagnoses, they explain that every living thing has an etheric field around it, some say a few different layers of etheric fields. The way the homeopathic preparations are made involves shaking the solution, which some say separates the physical from the etheric, but beyond that I don't know any more. > : To prove this take homeopathic silica for underarm > : odour and it will go away. > > I fortunately do not have this problem. While some people will argue that > the modern Western concept of "bathing" is one that can only lead to > detrimental health effects, it does seem to work for me. It is good that you don't get underarm odour and I would say you are probably pretty healthy. Some people can bath and within a short time begin to develop this underarm odour. Most people, as a matter of course after bathing, put on deodorant as a safeguard because they realise sooner or later, during the course of the day they will develop either an odour or wetness under the arms. > :> : However, I take calcium as calcium carbonate, potassium as cream of > :> : tartar, bicarb for sodium phosphate and sulphate. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Do you really not realize that you have just refuted your entire > "cellsalt" hypothesis? Have I really? All I know is that it seems to work for me. Doesn't calcium carbonate supply all calcium needs? I used to take chelated potassium tablets and now find that cream of tartar works just as well and is a lot cheaper. Also that bicarb works as well as some sodium tablets I used to take which were quite expensive. > : I took the cellsalts as recommended for years then experimented with taking > : them in this current form, and they still work. Can't explain it though. > > The explanation is simple enough to anyone capable of rational thought. Its nothing to do with rational thought, its chemical knowledge -- two different things. > :> : Sodium chloride only seems to work as a homeopathic tablet - > :> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > How many "forms" do you think sodium chloride has once it has been > dissolved in water? I don't know. Do iron filings dissolved in water fix an iron deficiency? > :> : I don't know what a cellsalt is, and didn't invent the theory which was > :> : invented by Dr Schuessler in the 1800s. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Anyone who knows anything at all about what inorganic elements > actually do in the body. Like I say, I use cellsalts and don't theorise about how they work. > :> : Yes, you're right that my background of chemistry is abysmal, its > :> : non-existant actually. I work on the basis of trying things to see if [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Such as, for instance, soap and water to eliminate body odor? There's no doubt that a shower with some soap goes a long way towards removing body odours. However, in some people these odours can come back within a short while and certainly during the course of the day. You'd be lucky to find many people after a certain age who don't use underarm deodorant regularly. I don't and very rarely get underarm odour even on really hot days when I'm sweating like a pig. Carole www.cellsalts.net > ----- > Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ". . . for while he was not dumber than an ox, he was not any smarter." > -- James Thurber, _My Life and Hard Times_ : We don't know what homeopathy really is. *You* may not know what homeopathy really is, but most of the rest of us have a fairly clear idea. : Physically it might be the equivalent to zero, but there is something else : that makes it work. Namely, the overactive imaginations of the people who think that it works. : I tend to think that it is something to do with creating an etheric field. Your opinion has been noted and given all of the consideration that it is worth. : If you get into some vedic types of diagnoses, they explain that every : living thing has an etheric field around it, some say a few different layers : of etheric fields. Why can they not tell how many layers of "etheric fields" there are? : The way the homeopathic preparations are made involves shaking the solution, : which some say separates the physical from the etheric, but beyond that I : don't know any more. How do you know which part is the physical and which part is the etheric? Maybe the part that you are diluting to zero is the etheric part? :> :> : However, I take calcium as calcium carbonate, potassium as cream of :> :> : tartar, bicarb for sodium phosphate and sulphate. :> :> You do realize that by taking the "cellsalts" in that form, you are not :> :> getting any sulfate, chloride, fluoride, or phosphate? :> : Yes, I realise that but it seems to work anyway. :> Do you really not realize that you have just refuted your entire :> "cellsalt" hypothesis? : Have I really? According to the "cellsalt" hypothesis, there are 12 fundamental salts, which include chlorides, a fluoride, phosphates, and sulfates, and that all 12 of these salts are required for human health. You state that on the one hand you do not ingest any chlorides, fluorides, phosphates, or sulfates, and yet you are in good health. Do you honestly not see the contradiction between those two sentences? According to the cellsalt hypothesis, you should be very ill indeed, since you are not ingesting any of the proper anions. : All I know is that it seems to work for me. "Seems" being the operative word. : Doesn't calcium carbonate supply all calcium needs? : I used to take chelated potassium tablets and now find that cream of tartar : works just as well and is a lot cheaper. : Also that bicarb works as well as some sodium tablets I used to take which : were quite expensive. But according to your cellsalt hypothesis, it is not sufficient to ingest the metals found in the cellsalts -- you need the whole cellsalt. :> : I took the cellsalts as recommended for years then experimented with :> : taking them in this current form, and they still work. Can't explain :> : it though. :> The explanation is simple enough to anyone capable of rational thought. : Its nothing to do with rational thought, its chemical knowledge -- two : different things. Since you admit that you have no chemical knowledge, and my Ph. D. in chemistry hints that I might have at least a little bit, I'd say that your ability to judge whether "chemical knowledge" can explain why your supplements "seem" to work is probably a good deal less than mine. :> :> : Sodium chloride only seems to work as a homeopathic tablet - :> :> Why does it not work as table salt? :> : I'd love to know why table salt doesn't work. . . . Maybe its :> : in the wrong form. :> How many "forms" do you think sodium chloride has once it has been :> dissolved in water? : I don't know. The answer is "one." Now you know. : Do iron filings dissolved in water fix an iron deficiency? Sodium chloride is sodium chloride whether it is in solid form or in solution. Iron filings are elemental iron [Fe(0)], while iron as found in the body is in a higher oxidation state -- "bioavailable" iron in the environment is normally present as ferric ion [Fe(III)]; after incorporation into biological molecules, the ferric ion can be reduced to the ferrous ion [Fe(II)]; in some biological molecules (e.g. Cytochrome P450), iron can exist (at least transiently) in higher oxidation states -- IIRC, there is at least one biological process that seems to go via Fe(V). I really fail to understand how you think that parading your ignorance of basic chemistry is going to win you converts, unless you are underneath it all a far more cynical person than your posts would seem to indicate. :> :> : I don't know what a cellsalt is, and didn't invent the theory which :> :> : was invented by Dr Schuessler in the 1800s. :> :> And which theory has subsequently shown to have been wrong. :> : Who says that the theory is wrong? :> Anyone who knows anything at all about what inorganic elements :> actually do in the body. : Like I say, I use cellsalts and don't theorise about how they work. I will grant you that unlike some other anti-rationalists here, you at least admit that you have no desire to be confused by the facts. :> :> : Yes, you're right that my background of chemistry is abysmal, its :> :> : non-existant actually. I work on the basis of trying things to see if :> :> : they work. :> :> So have you tried therapies based on actually proven theories to see :> :> if *they* work? :> : Such as? :> Such as, for instance, soap and water to eliminate body odor? : There's no doubt that a shower with some soap goes a long way towards : removing body odours. However, in some people these odours can come back [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : I don't and very rarely get underarm odour even on really hot days when I'm : sweating like a pig. And what evidence do you have that your rarely getting underarm odor has anything to do with your taking "homeopathic" silica? ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "I love people. But I don't suffer fools gladly." -- Deborah Lipstadt > : We don't know what homeopathy really is. > > *You* may not know what homeopathy really is, but most of the rest of us > have a fairly clear idea. I wouldn't think so. You are complacent in your world and think that science is working for you. Unfortunately science has been hijacked by vested interests and now teaches some sort of watered down version fit for public consumption while the real science is safely kept under lock and key. See www.einsteinconspiracy.co.uk "I have researched Relativity theory and written a book called The Relationship between light and gravity volume 1 available from Amazon. The book deals with my maths investigation of orthodox physics, this website goes beyond the book. There is now no need to look at the maths of orthodox physics to show it to be wrong, because its history can be show to be a myth." > : Physically it might be the equivalent to zero, but there is something else > : that makes it work. > > Namely, the overactive imaginations of the people who think that it works. Yes, the powers that be put great stock in the placebo theory to get rid of annoying success stories that aren't attributed to pharmaceutical drugs. There are studies to show homeopathy works. Check out the following http://www.earthsremedy.com/scientificevidence.htm http://www.earthsremedy.com/clinicalevidence.htm http://www.earthsremedy.com/clinicalstudies.htm http://www.earthsremedy.com/researchinhomeopathy.htm Also http://www.garynull.com/Documents/articlesfromorgs/homeopathy_scientific_res earch.htm > : I tend to think that it is something to do with creating an etheric field. > > Your opinion has been noted and given all of the consideration that it is > worth. Life IS more than than the mere physical. There are such things as auras and electromagnetic fields and vibrational medicine. > : If you get into some vedic types of diagnoses, they explain that every > : living thing has an etheric field around it, some say a few different layers > : of etheric fields. > > Why can they not tell how many layers of "etheric fields" there are? I think its 7 from memory. I'd have to do some research on that one. Its called suppressed knowledge -- there is suppressed knowledge in every field of human endeavour. So you're not as cutting edge as you might like to think. TO BE OR NOT TO BE? 150 Years of Hidden Knowledge by Christopher Bird 1991 (Nexus Magazine April 1992) http://www.whale.to/p/bird.html Carole www.cellsalts.net > : The way the homeopathic preparations are made involves shaking the solution, > : which some say separates the physical from the etheric, but beyond that I > : don't know any more. > > How do you know which part is the physical and which part is the etheric? > Maybe the part that you are diluting to zero is the etheric part? > :> :> : However, I take calcium as calcium carbonate, potassium as cream of > :> :> : tartar, bicarb for sodium phosphate and sulphate. [quoted text clipped - 117 lines] > "I love people. But I don't suffer fools gladly." > -- Deborah Lipstadt > :> : According to the cellsalt theory they are typically taken in homeopathic > :> : form. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Well, actually, it is. Not always. Some homeopathic drugs are merely highly diluted, but do contain some of the original material. MT: Good point! Material doses, mother tinctures, low potencies, "law of similars - like cures like" manipulations, etc. Paul > > In article <4785c762$0$5933$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Carole <hub...@iimetro.com.au> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Not always. Some homeopathic drugs are merely highly diluted, > but do contain some of the original material. >> :> : According to the cellsalt theory they are typically taken in homeopathic >> :> : form. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Not always. Some homeopathic drugs are merely highly diluted, >but do contain some of the original material. The one that the homeopathetics seem to cite most often is arnica cream used to treat bruises. It actually contains measurable amounts of the active ingredient, and if you apply it according to directions the bruises go away. As everyone knows, bruises never go away by themselves, so it must be the homeopathic arnica doing the job.  SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com I actually use Arnica ointment/salve for gout pain and the pain is normally gone within 10 minutes. If the pain occurs before I try to go to sleep, I won't be able to sleep unless I use the Arnica. PB, you're almost always wrong. That's normal for you. Paul > >> In article <4785c762$0$5933$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Carole <hub...@iimetro.com.au> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >I actually use Arnica ointment/salve for gout pain and the pain is >normally gone within 10 minutes. If the pain occurs before I try to go >to sleep, I won't be able to sleep unless I use the Arnica. PB, you're >almost always wrong. That's normal for you. > >Paul I'm glad it works for you, Paul, but I've tried it and it didn't do a thing for me. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher >> >> In article ><4785c762$0$5933$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Carole [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text - Carole: I have used Silica 6X, Kali Mur 6X, and Ferrum Phos 6X more than any other homeopathic remedy but I have experience with about 40-50 remedies and knowledge of many others. RS: Homeopathic "Materia Medica's" ! B&T's MM W/ Repertory is my favorite. Paul > > In article <47849480$0$11999$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, > Carole <hub...@iimetro.com.au> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > - Show quoted text - |
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