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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / January 2008News on Peter Moran (Moron?)
Moron claims to be a "retired" surgeon from Australia. He is a retired surgeon from Australia. His retirement, however, was not elective. It seems Moron had a number of complaints from patients (victims) and his regulator felt compelled to "early retire" him. Case closed...Peter Moran is a Moron! Thank you Tim Bolen! How did you obtain the information in this post? Are you sure it is factual? PA On Jan 8, 5:49 pm, Borked Pseudo Mailed <nob...@pseudo.borked.net> wrote: > Moron claims to be a "retired" surgeon from Australia. > He is a retired surgeon from Australia. His retirement, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Case closed...Peter Moran is a Moron! Thank you Tim Bolen! How did you obtain the information in this post? Are you sure it is factual? PA On Jan 8, 5:49 pm, Borked Pseudo Mailed <nob...@pseudo.borked.net> wrote: > Moron claims to be a "retired" surgeon from Australia. > He is a retired surgeon from Australia. His retirement, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Case closed...Peter Moran is a Moron! Thank you Tim Bolen! Herein a clue to the tactics of some of those promoting quackery. It was finding material like this all over the Internet that finally provoked Barrett into suing Ilena Rosenthal and others. Any who condone this kind of bald-faced lying should be ashamed of themselves. I suppose I have to respond. I am a retired surgeon, although still registered as a specialist in the state of Queensland and able to reactivate my practice at any time after fulfilling some conditions. This, along with the fact that I have NEVER been the subject of any complaint, can be confirmed by contacting the Medical Board of Queensland. Anyone is also welcome to try the Queensland Branch of the Australian Medical Association the Queensland Health complaints tribunal, other bodies where complaints against doctors can be directed.. I have also never been sued by anyone, but I am not sure how that can be proved. PM > How did you obtain the information in this post? Are you sure it is > factual? PA [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > PM Peter, I needed no proof of your background. Although I often disagree with your opinions, it is clear from your well reasoned postings and clear and patient explanations that you are a person with significant medical experience and knowledge and we are all of us grateful for your valuable and interesting postings. Thanks Citizen Jimserac >> How did you obtain the information in this post? Are you sure it is >> factual? PA [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > Thanks > Citizen Jimserac Thankyou. I expected no less of you and others. Just being careful. Some people will believe anything if they read it on the Internet. PM > > "rpautrey2" <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Real Class! > > "rpautrey2" <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > with significant medical experience and knowledge and we > are all of us grateful for your valuable and interesting postings. Hear, hear! > Thanks > Citizen Jimserac- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - > > "rpautrey2" <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Citizen Jimerasac: I disagree with your general analysis of Peter Moran's qualifications to say the things he says in his posts. He, simply, doesn't seem to have, or can provide, any science or practical experience, as evidenced by two things: (1) his inability to step up, and back up, his defamatory statements about world-renowned scientist/author Hulda Regehr Clark PhD by showing us, line by line, chapter by chapter of her book, where she is a "charlatan." (2) Moran failed the tranparency test when he refused to provide the names, and medical records, of all of the patients he claims to have served (if he ever actually did - and I have real doubts) that would demonstrate his "expertise" to judge others. Concerned in California... Tim Bolen >>> How did you obtain the information in this post? Are you sure it is >>> factual? PA [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Concerned in California... Timmie, just because someone posted something that gives you an opportunity to prove you are a moron, it does not mean that you have to take every one of those opportunities. On Jan 9, 7:59 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Jan 9, 6:51 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > Tim Bolen Fine with me! Disagreements are a good thing and that is one of the purposes of this newsgroup - to expose and examine areas of disagreement and examine causality, ideas, systems to decide which may be viable, helpful and useful and which not. I too have complained when a respondent unjustly, in my opinion, condemns the work of a viable and legitimate researcher. If someone makes criticism of something in which the criticism seems unwarranted, unjustified or in which the criticism lacks documentation - then by all means post these facts and refute the critic! As for Hulda Clark, one of the nice things about this newsgroup is that one learns of new books, new ideas, alternative ideas. I will, of course, now want to read this book, at first opportunity, to decide for myself on the usefulness and applicability of the ideas regarding Cancer which Clark espouses. Thanks Citizen Jimserac I applaud you CJ. You appear to be somewhat "fair and balanced". Paul > On Jan 9, 7:59 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] > Thanks > Citizen Jimserac TB: I stradle the fence on this one. I disagree with most of what PM and PB write in this group, but I also think Hulda Clark is a kook. I'm not impressed with PM's knowledge of disease and medicine, but I also have a problem with HC's use of "poly-pharmacy", "one cure for everything", subjective interpretations(syncrometer,etc.), her "Unified Theory Of Disease", "Hype", etc. My opinion comes from having read 4 of her books and owning 3 of them. On a scale of 1 to 5 , I rate her books as a 2. I have read many orthodox and alternative medical books and articles in the last 35 years, HC doesn't "know it all". There is a lot of truth in HC's books but she does not have "The Cure For All Diseases", 1995. That is a delusion and hype! If she really had "the cure for all diseaes"(1995), why does she keep writing more books? Greed? Money? Delusions? !!!!! Paul On Jan 9, 6:59 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > "rpautrey2" <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Tim Bolen > TB: I stradle the fence on this one. I disagree with most of what PM > and PB write in this group, but I also think Hulda Clark is a kook. [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Paul: I know Hulda Clark personally, and she certainly is sincere in her science, beliefs, and her intention to help people. I've known her scince october of 1999 when she, through her family, hired me as a consultant to unravel, and stop, the organized attack against her and her books. I did that, identifying the attackers, and putting the strategy and tactics in place to not only nullify the attack, but to use it to her advantage. I did that, increasing her book sales the following year by 60%, and those numbers have never gone down. I also, clearly and obviously spit in the face of her attackers, inviting them out in the street, so to speak, and humiliated then worldwide. More, I identified for many others, exactly how the quackbuster machine works, and how to turn it aside. I don't know, one way or the other, whether Hulda Clark is right in everything, and neither does Clark - for as she says, that's the nature of science. Personally, I think her theories are correct, for the most part, and she has certainly turned the Altmed world in the right direction when she emphasizes that "the cause" of each disease needs to be isolated and dealt with, not just the symptoms. I think she is attacked, primarily, because she calls to her readers attention that conventional medicine ONLY deals with symptoms, at great financial gain, and does little, or nothing, to solve the causation of the disease. Which is why, except for those who use AltMed methods, we are losing the war on cancer, etc. As American patriot, Patrick Henry, once said "I may not agree with what he says, but I'll defend his right to say it." The quackbuster scum-filth have found that my bite is far worse than my bark. And, I am continuously hunting. Searching for the truth in California... Tim Bolen TB: I applaud you for your courage and your fight against "Quackwatch". They are truly a disinformation machine. HC and other altmed authors do have the right to voice their opinions, whether they are right or wrong. Our society has been force-fed orthodox hype and poison for centuries. By the way, some people in the Yahoo Health And Healing Group were asking about you and wondering why there hasn't been new additions to your site for over a year. Paul On Jan 10, 2:11 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > > TB: I stradle the fence on this one. I disagree with most of what PM > > and PB write in this group, but I also think Hulda Clark is a kook. [quoted text clipped - 120 lines] > > - Show quoted text - TB: I applaud you for your courage and your fight against "Quackwatch". They are truly a disinformation machine. HC and other altmed authors do have the right to voice their opinions, whether they are right or wrong. Our society has been force-fed orthodox hype and poison for centuries. By the way, some people in the Yahoo Health And Healing Group were asking about you and wondering why there hasn't been new additions to your site for over a year. Paul Incorrect, Paul. Look again. http://www.bolenreport.net/ On Jan 10, 2:11 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Jan 10, 11:18 am, rpautrey2 <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 138 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Jan, thanks for your posts and the correction. Someone in the Yahoo Group also posted a correction yesterday stating that the TB site was current and active. Also, please don't think that I believe HC's books are disinformation. As I previously stated, there is a lot of truth in those books. **I also give Hulda Clark, Wayne Green, Bob Beck, Robert Becker, Roger Nelson, Dean Currier, and others credit for inspiring me and teaching me what I needed to know to discover/invent my electronic sinus drainage method.** If it wasn't for them, it would have never occured. Paul > TB: I applaud you for your courage and your fight against > "Quackwatch". They are truly a disinformation machine. HC and other [quoted text clipped - 154 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >Also, please don't think that I believe HC's books >are disinformation. As I previously stated, there is a lot of truth in >those books. I have to agree. I checked the page numbers in a couple of them and the numbers were in sequence with no gaps. The ISBNs displayed on the book covers were also correct. I've also noticed when I find them in book stores that the price shown on the cover sticker is confirmed by the store's checkout computer, but as the stickers are put on by the stores Clark can't take the credit for the prices being true.  SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com PB: Thanks for your "distorted" insight. PA > >Also, please don't think that I believe HC's books > >are disinformation. As I previously stated, there is a lot of truth in [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au > To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com On Jan 10, 11:18 am, rpautrey2 <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote: > TB: I stradle the fence on this one. I disagree with most of what PM > and PB write in this group, but I also think Hulda Clark is a kook. [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Paul: I know Hulda Clark personally, and she certainly is sincere in her science, beliefs, and her intention to help people. I've known her scince october of 1999 when she, through her family, hired me as a consultant to unravel, and stop, the organized attack against her and her books. I did that, identifying the attackers, and putting the strategy and tactics in place to not only nullify the attack, but to use it to her advantage. I did that, increasing her book sales the following year by 60%, and those numbers have never gone down. I also, clearly and obviously spit in the face of her attackers, inviting them out in the street, so to speak, and humiliated then worldwide. More, I identified for many others, exactly how the quackbuster machine works, and how to turn it aside. I don't know, one way or the other, whether Hulda Clark is right in everything, and neither does Clark - for as she says, that's the nature of science. Personally, I think her theories are correct, for the most part, and she has certainly turned the Altmed world in the right direction when she emphasizes that "the cause" of each disease needs to be isolated and dealt with, not just the symptoms. I think she is attacked, primarily, because she calls to her readers attention that conventional medicine ONLY deals with symptoms, at great financial gain, and does little, or nothing, to solve the causation of the disease. Which is why, except for those who use AltMed methods, we are losing the war on cancer, etc. As American patriot, Patrick Henry, once said "I may not agree with what he says, but I'll defend his right to say it." The quackbuster scum-filth have found that my bite is far worse than my bark. And, I am continuously hunting. Searching for the truth in California... Tim Bolen Very well said, Tim. Right on. Those of use who know her personally love her for the wonderful, caring and loving person she is. Still working at age 76, completely devoted to helping those that have been told to go home and die because they had no answers. God Bless Hulda!! On Jan 10, 3:11 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: I just found the Bolen Report website and read it for the first time! http://www.bolenreport.net/ Although highly opinionated and I do not necessarily agree with everything there, this is an EXCELLENT website with a wide scope of information on a variety of health related topics. I will now be a regular reader of this excellent site. Highest reccomendations! It is obvious that there is an enormous amount of work going into this site and it should be read with interest by EVERYONE with health related interests. Citizen Jimserac > On Jan 10, 3:11 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > going into this site and it should be read with interest > by EVERYONE with health related interests. Yes, shoveling sh.t is work. Timmie is good at shoveling. > Citizen Jimserac >On Jan 10, 3:11 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >going into this site and it should be read with interest >by EVERYONE with health related interests. "Enormous amount of work?" It hasn't been updated since May of 2007. The fact that you think it's "excellent" says far more about you than I ever could. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher > In article <a0ade757-5585-47d1-b880-1025b8dd1...@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>, > CitizenJimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" > -- Bill Maher I have no time nor patience for personal attacks and will ignore them. I am interested ONLY in new medical ideas and concepts, in the rise of alternative medicine and the gradual integration of the new concepts into standard medicine, to the benefit of all. You waste my time and the time of everyone in this newsgroup with such remarks. Let us discuss ideas. If you think Bolen wrong on anything, then by all means publish some links and facts and refute him... if you can. Citizen Jimserac >> In article <a0ade757-5585-47d1-b880-1025b8dd1...@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>, >> CitizenJimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Citizen Jimserac The fact that you accept Bolen Bullshit speaks volumes about you. If you like Bolen, ask the former patients of Stuie Suster, who Bolen defended, what a great guy he is. > >> In article <a0ade757-5585-47d1-b880-1025b8dd1...@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>, > >> CitizenJimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Mark: The Stuart Suster case was an Administrative Hearing situation, not a real court case, initiated by a group of Insurance companies who did not want to pay him what they owed him and used a bent prosecutor in Wisconsin, to do him in. How is it YOU have knowledge of this case? Were you involved in some way? Eager to hear your answer in California... Tim Bolen >>>> In article <a0ade757-5585-47d1-b880-1025b8dd1...@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>, >>>> CitizenJimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > Wisconsin, to do him in. How is it YOU have knowledge of this case? > Were you involved in some way? Read it on the net. There was media coverage which made you, and him, look like a moron. Great journalism. > Eager to hear your answer in California... Stuie Suster physically abused his patients. Do try to get your spin right. And, you are still a moron. > Tim Bolen > And, you are still a moron. And what are you? >> And, you are still a moron. > > And what are you? Everything that Bolen wishes he was and will never be. >> And what are you? > > Everything that Bolen wishes he was and will never be. Considering his tastes in spam, that's a pretty low self-opinion. | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ >>> And what are you? >> Everything that Bolen wishes he was and will never be. > > Considering his tastes in spam, that's a pretty low self-opinion. I read his bullshit, and it appears that he has a serious inferiority complex over education, intelligence, interpersonal relationships, and looks. >>>> And what are you? >>> Everything that Bolen wishes he was and will never be. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > complex over education, intelligence, interpersonal relationships, and > looks. You missed the joke, Mark. | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ >>>>> And what are you? >>>> Everything that Bolen wishes he was and will never be. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You missed the joke, Mark. Bolen is a joke. After that, nothing else matters. >>>>>> And what are you? >>>>> Everything that Bolen wishes he was and will never be. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bolen is a joke. After that, nothing else matters. *NOBODY* misses Bolen. | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ "Mark Probert" <markprobert@limbercartel.com> >>> And what are you? >> >> Everything that Bolen wishes he was and will never be. > > Considering his tastes in spam, that's a pretty low self-opinion. This thread is not about Tim Bolen. > | Of course, there isn't REALLY a lymber cartel. Yes, we know. | | > D. C. Sessions <dcs@lymbercartel.com> >>> And, you are still a moron. >> >> And what are you? > > Everything that Bolen wishes he was and will never be. A dishonest disbarred attorney.. > jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > >>>> In article <a0ade757-5585-47d1-b880-1025b8dd1...@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Mark: In your eagerness to find something wrong with me you are striking out at two decent human beings, Stuart and Mary Suster, whose crime was to design a Pain Management ptotocol that worked for their patients, getting them back into life - but, a protocol that cost more than several health insurers were willing to pay for. The Susters had claims over three million dollars unpaid, and they were pressing hard for their money when the insurers filed anonymous complaints with the Wisconsin DRL (similar to Texas?) alleging unecessary treatment. The Department assigned the case to well known quackbuster Arthur Thexton, a man who knows no boundaries in his need to win. I didn't get involved in the cae until it was almost over - and there was little I could do but sympathize. Thexton could not get any police agency to listen to his ravings, so no agency would prosecute Suster for the accusations Thexton made against him. Thexton proceeded on his own to Administrative hearing, the insurers refused to pay, and Suster could not afford legal counsel. Let me make something perfectly clear to you right now. If you, with your commentary, are attempting to imply that I, Tim bolen, somehow support and condone sexual abuse - make yourself clear right now - and I will drop everything, and come for you immediately. I mean that exactly the way it sounds. Waiting for your answer in California... Tim Bolen >Let me make something perfectly clear to you right now. If you, with >your commentary, are attempting to imply that I, Tim bolen, somehow >support and condone sexual abuse - make yourself clear right now - and >I will drop everything, and come for you immediately. I mean that >exactly the way it sounds. It sounds like you think you're the Angel of Death. Which is to say, it sounds weird. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher >>Let me make something perfectly clear to you right now. If you, with >>your commentary, are attempting to imply that I, Tim bolen, somehow [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > It sounds like you think you're the Angel of Death. Which is to say, > it sounds weird. Sort of understandable -- they're about equally welcome. | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ >> jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: >>>>>> In article <a0ade757-5585-47d1-b880-1025b8dd1...@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > In your eagerness to find something wrong with me you are striking out > at two decent human beings, Stuart and Mary Suster, whose crime was "Acting on a complaint involving more than 30 of Suster's patients, the state medical examining board took away his license in August for what it called unprofessional conduct, including sexual misconduct, threats to patients and fraud on insurance companies - charges he vehemently denies." http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=263673 and Feb. 3--Stuart M. Suster, a pain specialist who lost his medical license last year and filed dozens of lawsuits against former patients in several Wisconsin counties, was charged Wednesday with 19 criminal counts accusing him of filing bogus legal documents. http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-8254794_ITM IOW, this guy attacked the witnesses against him by suing them. (Note to Debbee, this is a circumstance where an anonymous complaint could have protected the witnesses.) > IOW, this guy attacked the witnesses against him by suing them. I know of at least one instance where the Court responded with a bench warrant for contempt and followed it up by referring the case to the prosecutor for witness tampering. | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ > Let me make something perfectly clear to you right now. If you, with > your commentary, are attempting to imply that I, Tim bolen, somehow [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Waiting for your answer in California... Well, Timmie.... On a recent weekday afternoon, the only callers the pain specialist received were a reporter curious how Suster was faring without his license and a California consultant specializing in "crisis management in the health care industry." Suster doesn't use the word crisis when he talks about how he lost his medical license and what he plans to do about it. But there's no escaping the seriousness of what happened to him. Acting on a complaint involving more than 30 of Suster's patients, the state medical examining board took away his license in August for what it called unprofessional conduct, including sexual misconduct, threats to patients and fraud on insurance companies - charges he vehemently denies. Sound like you were begging to defend him.... TB: I stradle the fence on this one. I disagree with most of what PM and PB write in this group, but I also think Hulda Clark is a kook. I'm not impressed with PM's knowledge of disease and medicine, but I also have a problem with HC's use of "poly-pharmacy", "one cure for everything", subjective interpretations(syncrometer,etc.), her "Unified Theory Of Disease", "Hype", etc. My opinion comes from having read 4 of her books and owning 3 of them. On a scale of 1 to 5 , I rate her books as a 2. I have read many orthodox and alternative medical books and articles in the last 35 years, HC doesn't "know it all". There is a lot of truth in HC's books but she does not have "The Cure For All Diseases", 1995. That is a delusion and hype! If she really had "the cure for all diseaes"(1995), why does she keep writing more books? Greed? Money? Delusions? !!!!! Paul Paul, Hulda cares nothing about money. She certainly is not greedy. She wouldn't live one bit different if she had all the money in the world. I know that to be a fact, as I knew her and had her son in my daycare. I saw her everyday driving an old beat up van. She used it on an Indian reservation. helping for FREE. I have been to her home. And, no I do not believe she has the cure for all diseases. However, she does have much knowledge that is denied by organized medicine. I have long said I think she chose the wrong titles to her books. She admits the mistakes she made in her earlier books after doing further research. She is dead on about mercury amalgams and parasites. When I got VERY ill, I wrote to her telling her of my health problems. She gave me the 100% correct information. I considered going to Mexico, but she told me about the costs that was NOT her idea, and told me what she thought I should do. It worked! I am grateful for her, she helped to save my life. Bod Bless, Hulda! Jan Drew She is a very caring and wonderful person. On Jan 9, 6:59 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Jan 9, 6:51 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > Tim Bolen > TB: I stradle the fence on this one. I disagree with most of what PM > and PB write in this group, but I also think Hulda Clark is a kook. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Paul, Hulda is the person who told Jan Drew to crap in a bucket and manually search her feces for parasites. Jan gets very angry if you imply that she used gloves. Eventually, Jan got bored with that and decided it didn't fulfill all her needs. Hulda recommended getting her amalgams (never to be confused with nor refered to as "mercury amalgams") removed. After expensive, excruciating, and mercury releasing procedures were done, Jan felt relief while her blood mercury level was at its very highest. In a short while, that faded and she began to experience the same depression, headaches, peripheral neuropathy, etc that she had before she started this wonderful journey. Yes, Hulda is to be ignored, her council disregarded, & her books debunked. TOTZJ: I passed 4 roundworms in the early 90's. I had never heard of Hulda Clark. "Guess What Came To Dinner?" RAW GARLIC! I cured my dog of tapeworm with raw garlic and some other herbs. I had been told herbs wouldn't work. "RAW GARLIC"! Paul On Jan 11, 3:39 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > "rpautrey2" <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > - Show quoted text - On Jan 11, 1:39 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > "rpautrey2" <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Andrew: It is time you grew up and begin to look at reality. It is apparent that you were, not that long ago, apparently, one of those little boys whose Mom had to keep saying "don't play with your poo-poo, Andrew," repeatedly, for you seem to NOT be able to relate the simple fact that stool samples, and theexamination of thosestool samples, are a real part of Planet Earth health care. duh.... You're going to have to get over what happened between you and your mother. Think about sitting down with her and explaining that, not only is "sh.t" a reality, but that "urine" plays an important role in the determination of health issues. In fact, if you are this uncomfortable with normal bodily functions, maybe you should get into some other line of work? Appalled with you in California... Tim Bolen On Jan 15, 9:47 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Jan 11, 1:39 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > stool samples, and theexamination of thosestool samples, are a real > part of Planet Earth health care. This bizarre practice has nothing to do with medicine. She could have easily provided a stool sample to a lab which could analyze it. She chose to crap in a bucket and search for 3" long parasites with her bare hands. I can only feculate, uh, speculate as to why you'd think that was a "real part of Planet Earth health care." > duh.... I'll bet you say that often. > You're going to have to get over what happened between you and your > mother. Think about sitting down with her and explaining that, not > only is "sh.t" a reality, but that "urine" plays an important role in > the determination of health issues. You're beginning to sound like MedTools. That's not good, Tim! > In fact, if you are this uncomfortable with normal bodily functions, > maybe you should get into some other line of work? I'm more uncomfortable with people who crap in a bucket, handle the contents, and take offense at the notion that they should use gloves. People who defend this as a normal activity make me uncomforatble, too, Tim. I can only guess you had disasterous toilet training, but traumatic injury might explain some of it. I know you won't accept the truth of my words because you and your ilk are not ready to hear it, but USE A TOILET AND KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF YOUR STOOLS! > Appalled with you in California... Back at 'cha! > Tim Bolen- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - On Jan 15, 2:56 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Hulda is the person who told Jan Drew to crap in a bucket and manually > > > search her feces for parasites. Jan gets very angry if you imply that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > to experience the same depression, headaches, peripheral neuropathy, > > > etc that she had before she started this wonderful journey. Do you have an anal fixation? This subject matter repeats itself over and over again. Why do you find normal biological functions of the body so distasteful? Imagine how disgusted I was, that I had to do one of the stool smears for my conventional doctor---and then got the news from him that my stools were "too dry." And that I needed to increase my fluid intake (and not coffee or tea because it is too dehydrating). At least Jan was not out in the snow, with her bucket, doing "show and tell," she could have been determined at that point she was a 'stool pusher,' and that's usually reserved for some kind of activity amongst people whose life styles I do not share!! Let's not be anal retentive here--Andrew.....it's time to go on to a new subject..... On Jan 15, 2:56 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jan 15, 9:47 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > > - Show quoted text - "Don't play with your poo-poo, Andrew." Amused in California... Tim Bolen On Jan 17, 8:02 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Jan 15, 2:56 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] > > "Don't play with your poo-poo, Andrew." It is Jan, her ilk, and your ilk that need that message, Tim. Spread the word so they won't spread their turds! > Amused in California... > > Tim Bolen- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - >> > "rpautrey2" <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >I disagree with your general analysis of Peter Moran's qualifications >to say the things he says in his posts. Who cares? You never established that you're an authority on anything. >He, simply, doesn't seem to >have, or can provide, any science or practical experience, as >evidenced by two things: (1) his inability to step up, and back up, >his defamatory statements about world-renowned scientist/author Hulda >Regehr Clark PhD by showing us, line by line, chapter by chapter of >her book, where she is a "charlatan." First, it's up to her (or her defenders) to prove that she's ever managed to cure anyone. >(2) Moran failed the >tranparency test when he refused to provide the names, and medical >records, of all of the patients he claims to have served (if he ever >actually did - and I have real doubts) that would demonstrate his >"expertise" to judge others. As though a doctor could do that and violate patient confideniality. As Timmy knows full well; he's just playing games here. Dr Moran has done the research and he can cite the papers and he can point out the flaws in the supposedly wondrous alternative cures. Tim can do nothing except raise phony issues and claim to be a "consumer advocate." -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher >How did you obtain the information in this post? Are you sure it is >factual? PA He made it up. These anonymous posts are almost invariably little Billy O'Neill. Facts aren't high on his list of priorities. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "[Being against Gardasil] is like being against a cure for blindness because it'll encourage masturbation." -- Bill Maher >On Jan 8, 5:49 pm, Borked Pseudo Mailed <nob...@pseudo.borked.net> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Case closed...Peter Moran is a Moron! Thank you Tim Bolen! >How did you obtain the information in this post? Are you sure it is >factual? PA Mr O'Neill makes things up. Here is him talking about my criminal record: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/onews/statscriminal.htm Here he is telling everyone how unemployed and bankrupt I am: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/onews/statsbroke.htm and this one I really like - here he is telling everyone how the web site they are reading has been closed down: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/onews/statsclosure.htm >On Jan 8, 5:49 pm, Borked Pseudo Mailed <nob...@pseudo.borked.net> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Case closed...Peter Moran is a Moron! Thank you Tim Bolen! SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > How did you obtain the information in this post? Are you sure it is > factual? PA Good skepticism. > On Jan 8, 5:49 pm, Borked Pseudo Mailed <nob...@pseudo.borked.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Case closed...Peter Moran is a Moron! Thank you Tim Bolen! > Good skepticism. Mark, I didn't think you were a skeptic--now, I am disappointed in you!! LOL "Peter Moran" <pmoran@internode.on.net> wrote in message news:... > How did you obtain the information in this post? Are you sure it is > factual? PA [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > PM I will also not dignify further attacks of this type with response. Failure to respond should not be interpreted as supporting any claims made. PM >Moron claims to be a "retired" surgeon from Australia. >He is a retired surgeon from Australia. His retirement, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Case closed...Peter Moran is a Moron! Thank you Tim Bolen! Well, well, well Mr William P O'Neill of the crumbling Canadian Cancer Research Group comments again about something of which he knows nothing. Why don't you use your real name, Mr O'Neill? You weren't so ashamed to identify yourself when you cursed at my wife. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >> Moron claims to be a "retired" surgeon from Australia. >> He is a retired surgeon from Australia. His retirement, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Why don't you use your real name, Mr O'Neill? You weren't so ashamed > to identify yourself when you cursed at my wife. That is despicable. I would not even do that to the spouse of a junk yard dog. |
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