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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / March 2008Autism rates increasing after the removal of thimerosal
Well, well - lookie, lookie... http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4099059&page=1 Thimerosal has nothing to do with autisms? Say it isn't so john, yuri, jan-the-man, and Kevysmom! Can you guys believe that? What will you do now? > Well, well - lookie, lookie... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > jan-the-man, and Kevysmom! Can you guys believe that? What will you > do now? No matter how the anti-vac liar sociopaths twist and turn, they cannot get around this one. The study was done by employees of the CDDS of the statistics that they had claimed were the proof of the imaginary epidemic. Of course, they will try, but they will continue to look like the evil fools they are. > Of course, they will try, but they will continue to look like the evil > fools they are. Ok, You baited, and I am biting. When thimerosal was recalled in childhood vaccines, There was a HUGE push to vaccinate pregnant women with the flu vaccine laced with mercury. As you all know, (I hope anyways) A fetus is more susceptible to the toxicities of mercury then a baby. That could explain everything...But. There is also a huge push in developmentally disabled children to get a dual diagnosis of Autism, just so they can qualify for special programs. (I know this for a fact) So there ya have it. > > Well, well - lookie, lookie... > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Of course, they will try, but they will continue to look like the evil > fools they are. >> Of course, they will try, but they will continue to look like the evil >> fools they are. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > push to vaccinate pregnant women with the flu vaccine laced with > mercury. Laced? Hardly. It contained the standard amount. > As you all know, (I hope anyways) A fetus is more susceptible to the > toxicities > of mercury then a baby. That could explain everything...But. The mother is injected with 25 mcg which immediately dilutes to a minuscule concentration in her body. > There is also a huge push in developmentally disabled children to get > a dual > diagnosis of Autism, just so they can qualify for special programs. (I > know this > for a fact) Maybe in your area. Not here. And, nothing you posted refutes what I said. > So there ya have it. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> Of course, they will try, but they will continue to look like the evil >> fools they are. > There is also a huge push in developmentally disabled children to get > a dual > diagnosis of Autism, just so they can qualify for special programs. (I > know this > for a fact) Are you telling us that the increase in autistic-spectrum diagnoses in California was never related to vaccines? | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ >> There is also a huge push in developmentally disabled children to get >> a dual [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Are you telling us that the increase in autistic-spectrum diagnoses > in California was never related to vaccines? Perhaps I wasn't rude enough in asking my question? | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ What is it you want to know Lumber Jack? > In message <tq2165-12k....@news.lumbercartel.com>, D. C. Sessions wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but trywww.santaclaus.com. | > +--------------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ > What is it you want to know Lumber Jack? Have someone read it to you, it's quoted below. >> In message <tq2165-12k....@news.lumbercartel.com>, D. C. Sessions wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but trywww.santaclaus.com. | >> +--------------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ > In message <07a181c0-cc34-4209-8cdb-c880c0398...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Kevysmom wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but trywww.santaclaus.com. | > +--------------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ I will respond to this question, But you need to respond to my quote about the cost of cancer treatments! Deal? > Are you telling us that the increase in autistic-spectrum diagnoses > in California was never related to vaccines? I have no clue to why you would even ask this question. I mentioned that the criteria for getting some special programs for your disabled child, you need to have an autism diagnosis. So, there is a huge push RECENTLY to have disabled children(including those with down syndrome) to get the diagnose so the kids will receive the benefits. I also mentioned that when thimerosal was banned from childhood vaccines, The was a sudden PUSH to vaccinate PREGNANT women with mercury via the flu vaccine. The fetus is more susceptible to mercury than an infant. > > In message <07a181c0-cc34-4209-8cdb-c880c0398...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Kevysmom wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > I have no clue to why you would even ask this question. You also have no clue as to why cloned beef would be harmful, yet you still believe it to be harmful. The problem is that you don't have enough education and critical thinking skills to make informed decisions. What you do have is an interest in making EMOTIONAL decisions without researching the issue. Please make the appropriate corrections and do make them Promptly! I mentioned > that the criteria for getting some > special programs for your disabled child, you need to have an autism [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > - Show quoted text - <Andrew_Kingoff@yahoo.com> wrote: On Jan 23, 8:39 am, Kevysmom <bluebun...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 16, 5:28 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > I have no clue to why you would even ask this question. >You Is not the subject. >Please make the appropriate corrections and do make them Promptly! Yes, do that, Andrew. I mentioned > that the criteria for getting some > special programs for your disabled child, you need to have an autism [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >> Are you telling us that the increase in autistic-spectrum diagnoses >> in California was never related to vaccines? > I have no clue to why you would even ask this question. Because the exact same data -- the CDDB database -- that was the original trigger for the whole "thimerosol in vaccines causes autism" chorus is now being repudiated as unreliable by the same people who proclaimed it the gold standard five years ago. > I mentioned > that the criteria for getting some > special programs for your disabled child, you need to have an autism > diagnosis. Mark Probert and others pointed that out five-plus years ago. They were attacked with all the usual rhetoric. Nice to see you agree that Mark and the rest were right all along. Or are you big enough to admit that? > So, there is a huge > push RECENTLY to have disabled children(including those with down > syndrome) to get the diagnose so the kids will receive the benefits. Of course you can show that this push (and the incentive for it) didn't exist five years ago. > I > also mentioned that when thimerosal was banned from childhood > vaccines, The was a sudden PUSH to vaccinate PREGNANT women with > mercury via the flu vaccine. The fetus is more susceptible to mercury > than an infant. That should be very easy to show. All you need is the statistics on flu vaccination for the last five years. Oh, and there's hope on the way. California law since 2006 forbids administering vaccines with thimerosol to children or pregnant women, so according to your thesis the autism rates in the CDDB should very soon reflect that by dropping. Right? What's more, and best of all for your thesis, you now have a built-in control group since flu vaccines are very seasonal. According to your thesis, autism diagnoses should show a pronounced annual cycle against the month of the child's birth. The truth is out there. You now have the basis for PROVING to the world, in terms that even the most skeptical will have to accept, that maternal flu vaccines cause autism. You would never let a chance like that slip by, would you? Only an uncaring heartless bitch would let her own laziness stand in the way of helping so many millions of children. | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ > In message > <46f91d3e-0837-4c0d-99a0-9b6dd13f7923@l32g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Mark Probert Is not the subject. > Or are you big enough to admit that? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Of course you can show that this push (and the incentive for it) > didn't exist five years ago. So what? See the word RECENTLY. >> I >> also mentioned that when thimerosal was banned from childhood [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > That should be very easy to show. All you need is the statistics on > flu vaccination for the last five years. NO, see the word RECENTLY! http://EzineArticles.com/?Warning!-Flu-Shots-Can-Be-Dangerous-To-Your-Health&id= Every year about this time doctors around the world are recommending that people go in and get their annual flu shot. What most people don't know or understand is just how dangerous this could be, especially for children under the age of 12. When people call and say "My doctor is telling the family to go in and get a flu shot. Should I do it?".I tell them they should learn about the side effects and decide for themselves.as a chiropractor and naturopathic physician I don't' have the time or energy to argue with family practitioners or family doctors who are obviously uneducated on the possible side effects or detrimental effects flu shots or vaccinations in general can have on the body. I personally have never received a flu shot and have never been ill during the flu season. In my personal opinion I don't think toxic chemicals and strains of different viruses growing on living tissue belong inside the body. Because of the demand, I want to share with you some of the research that we have found in the latest flu shot trend and the by-products of these supposedly sterile and non-harmful solutions. I don't know about you, but I sure would not want any of the following compounds in my bloodstream or deposited in my body. Let's look at what we have found in the common vaccinations: Ethylene Glycol: Ethylene Glycol is nothing more than the technical name for anti-freeze, the same stuff that you put inside your car engine. I don't think I have to tell you what would happen if you ingest antifreeze. Thimerosal: This is a mercury derived disinfectant and preservative which is used in a majority of the vaccinations and can result in brain injury over a long period of time leading into Alzheimer's or Parkinson's Disease, lack of memory, sluggish brain performance and also is known to induce auto-immune diseases such as lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, ALS as well as altering and depleting the immune system from working efficiently. Phenol: Phenol is most commonly used as a disinfectant, also used as a dye, is listened as a carcinogenic agent (cancer-causing) agent and is also known as carbolic acid. Neomycin and Streptomycin: These compounds are used as antibiotics which have side effects to include severe allergic reactions in some people. It always puzzled me why they are putting two different forms of antibiotics in a viral vaccine. Aluminum: Aluminum accumulates in the skin, bones, brain and kidneys and can cause Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease. Aluminum has also caused cancer in laboratory mice. It is commonly used as an additive in most vaccinations. Formaldehyde: Formaldehyde is used as a preservative. It is also classified as a carcinogenic (cancer-causing agent) and causes the body fluids to become acidic in nature. Formaldehyde will start to preserve your tissues within the body. I hope that when your doctor starts telling you that it is time for your annual flu vaccine you will present this material to him and ask him how all of these ingredients are going to prevent you from getting the flu. I'll be very interested in knowing what his answer is to that question. As a side note just to let you know what is being injected to your body, these vaccines are strained through animal or human tissues like chicken embryos, monkey kidney tissue and embryonic guinea pig cells, to name a few. > You would never let a chance like that slip by, would you? Only an > uncaring heartless bitch would let her own laziness stand in the > way of helping so many millions of children. Only the ILK GANG such as yourself would say such a thing. > | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | > | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lymber cartel. We know, ask your buddy.... > D. C. Sessions <dcs@lymbercartel.com> >anti-vac liar sociopaths > > evil fools they are. >>anti-vac liar sociopaths >> >> evil fools they are. Excellent, Jan. Now you're getting it.  SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > > Well, well - lookie, lookie... > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Of course, they will try, but they will continue to look like the evil > fools they are. So I guess that just leaves the Amish community who don't vaccinate and who don't get autism. So Peter, what did they replace the mercury with? Carole www.cellsalts.net >> > Well, well - lookie, lookie... >> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >So I guess that just leaves the Amish community who don't vaccinate and who >don't get autism. The Amish do get autism. Do not believe everything you read. >So Peter, what did they replace the mercury with? Refrigeration and single-dose vials. I notice that you used the name Peter when replying to Mark. I remember Andrew Kingoff saying once that everyone here except me was a sock puppet. I didn't think anyone would believe it, but evidence has appeared twice in the last two days. >Carole >www.cellsalts.net SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >> > Well, well - lookie, lookie... >> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >So I guess that just leaves the Amish community who don't vaccinate and who >don't get autism. But Carole, the Amish *do* get autism. It's bullshit in the same category as 'sharks don't get cancer'. >So Peter, what did they replace the mercury with? Different storage methods and shorter shelf life. I guess people who don't have good refrigeration available where they live are just going to have to get sick from preventable diseases. >Carole >www.cellsalts.net >> > Well, well - lookie, lookie... >> > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Carole Who said mercury was the cause? You? May it is, maybe it isn't, either way, Amish are a very small genetic sampling. The Active Vaccine Itself? The Growth Medium Or Source? Paul > The Active Vaccine Itself? > The Growth Medium Or Source? > > Paul Contaminants? PA >> The Active Vaccine Itself? >> The Growth Medium Or Source? >> >> Paul > > Contaminants? /Sarcasm on/ Since the rate continues to climb since safe and effective Thimerosal, which protected against contaminants was removed, you may have a point. /Sarcasm off/ > PA > The Active Vaccine Itself? > The Growth Medium Or Source? > > Paul None of the above. It is genetic. <...> > Who said mercury was the cause? You? > May it is, maybe it isn't, either way, Amish are a very small genetic > sampling. Does removing mercury from vaccines decrease the amount of mercury get significantly? Considering all the mercury that is found in the air from burning coal, gets into the environment from other sources as well, like florescent lamps, removing mercury from vaccines may not reduce the amount of mercury that kids are exposed to very much. Anyway, Amish are probably exposed to few toxins than those who live near them, but have not adopted Amish ways. Jeff PS, whenever I go to the Reading Terminal Market in Philadelphia, I stop at the Amish Pretzel place in the market. Great pretzels! Highly recommended. > > > Well, well - lookie, lookie... > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > So I guess that just leaves theAmishcommunity who don't vaccinate and who > don't get autism. A couple problems here... The Amish, according to studies I've examined, do vaccinate. The rates of vaccination amongst the Amish are indeed low. Because the Old Order Amish have no centralised authority, different communities have different views and practices regarding vaccination, and "low rates" can be anywhere from under 5% vaccinated to 70%+ vaccinated depending on the community. Hardly an "unvaccinated" community as a whole. And also, a question for you... What could it be that the Amish have in common with, say, the Ashkenazim, that could be instrumental in explaining the low rates of Autism? (As well as the high rates of diseases otherwise exceedingly rare in the general population)... (That is excepting differences in diet, lifestyle, environment (EMF, pesticides, chemicals, etc.) the we will, for the sake of argument, set aside for the moment). Dunner "Curiosity bespeaks the void" -origins unknown >>> Well, well - lookie, lookie... >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > So I guess that just leaves the Amish community who don't vaccinate and who > don't get autism. Amish vaccinate and do have Autism. Olmsted is a quack journalist. During a recent visit to Lancaster County, I found no one who remembered seeing him. That is absolute alternative proof that he was not there. > So Peter, what did they replace the mercury with? > > Carole > www.cellsalts.net On Jan 12, 10:36 am, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote: > >>> Well, well - lookie, lookie... > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Conclusion Taken together, all the above mentioned data from experimental, clinical and partly from epidemiological studies appear to show that repetitive mercury exposure during pregnancy (through thimerosal and dental amalgam), and after birth, through thimerosal containing vaccinations in genetically susceptible individuals is one potential pathogenetic factor in autism. Other metals and toxicants, partly present in vaccines, and the hormonal situation might have synergistic effects with mercury. This has not been officially acknowledged. Therefore it is mandatory to perform further studies that address this issue with sound methodology and through research uninfluenced by commercial, professional or political interests. Given the widespread use of mercury in medical products, even a small frequency of pathological side effects have a significant impact to public health. Therefore, for preventive purposes, it is mandatory to avoid further use of mercury in medical products in industrial and undeveloped countries. http://www.uniklinik-freiburg.de/iuk/live/forschung/publikationen/Mutter_Autism_ NEL.pdf > On Jan 12, 10:36 am, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > http://www.uniklinik-freiburg.de/iuk/live/forschung/publikationen/Mut...- Hide quoted text - Wow, that read like the fine print on a sucker's life insurance contract! It also is wrong in its inferences. Vaccination is not a cause of autism, nor is thimerosal. Well controlled, Wide-scale, Replicated experiments world wide show this. Autism will not be prevented nor properly treated if we choose paranoid make-believe instead of science. Child-hating, Anti-Vac liars and those who champion them are the problem, not thimerosal. Now that I've settled that issue, once and for all, lets talk about something related to health alternatives instead of paranoia-fueled pseudo-science. > - Show quoted text - > On Jan 12, 10:36 am, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > http://www.uniklinik-freiburg.de/iuk/live/forschung/publikationen/Mutter_Autism_ NEL.pdf More and more evidence since then demonstrates that there is no link whatsoever between vaccines, their ingredients, and autism. > More and more evidence since then demonstrates that there is no link > whatsoever between vaccines Paid for by the industry, doesnt count. On Jan 13, 12:04 am, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote: > > On Jan 12, 10:36 am, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >> More and more evidence since then demonstrates that there is no link >> whatsoever between vaccines > > Paid for by the industry, doesnt count. Horsehit (that they were paid for the "THE INDUSTRY"). There are at least six epidemiological studies in several countries that show the same thing. Now we have the CDDS study where employees of the CDDS studied their own data. Bottom line, the anti vac liar loons and sociopaths are desperate since they realize that they have NO PROOF. > On Jan 13, 12:04 am, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text - > Horsehit (that they were paid for the "THE INDUSTRY"). Did we graduate from bullshit to horseshit? :o) > There are at least six epidemiological studies in several countries that > show the same thing. Now we have the CDDS study where employees of the > CDDS studied their own data. Proof, show me at least six of these studies. And I want proof they are not funded by your employer (Pharma) On Jan 13, 11:31 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote: > >> More and more evidence since then demonstrates that there is no link > >> whatsoever between vaccines [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >> Horsehit (that they were paid for the "THE INDUSTRY"). > > Did we graduate from bullshit to horseshit? :o) You were left back. >> There are at least six epidemiological studies in several countries that >> show the same thing. Now we have the CDDS study where employees of the >> CDDS studied their own data. > > Proof, show me at least six of these studies. Do your own homework.The studies were in Sweden, Denmark, Canada, the US, and California. And I want proof they > are not funded by your > employer (Pharma) Keep this sh.t up and all you will get from me is vile nastiness. I am sick and tired of a.sholes making this bullshit accusation when they cannot refute what I post. > On Jan 13, 11:31 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] >>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> - Show quoted text - > So I guess that just leaves the Amish community who don't vaccinate and who > don't get autism. No, silly. It's because they don't watch TV... > So I guess that just leaves the Amish community who don't vaccinate and who > don't get autism. They do vaccinate (they consider it a matter of community responsibility) and they do have autistic children. Yes, I know that this doesn't refute "vaccines cause autism" but it doesn't help it either. | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ > No matter how the anti-vac liar sociopaths twist and turn, they cannot > get around this one. Mark, you're a pretty bright guy. Surely you're capable of learning from experience, and yet you post nonsense like the quoted text. | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ Vaccination itself cases autism, whether it has mercury or not. Under normal and natural circumstances a virus or bacterium is introduced through the muccous membranes, eyes, or stomach, not directly into the bloodstream like a vaccine. The immune system works abnormally under this condition, that is autoimmune dysfunction... A full desription and explaination of the causes of autism and what goes on in the body of an autistic individual is disclosed in the following link: http://www.drcarley.com/ This is good reading. I encourage everyone involved with the vaccine / mercury debate to explore the aforementioned link. It is definately an eye opener. I offer a possible cure and protocol in a different thread which is based on Dr. Carley's work. GOD bless. > Vaccination itself cases autism, whether it has mercury or not. Bullshit, know-nothing. Under > normal and natural circumstances a virus or bacterium is introduced > through the muccous membranes, eyes, or stomach, not directly into the > bloodstream like a vaccine. This sentence proves you are ignorant. Vaccines are NOT injected intravenously, but are injected intramuscularly. Do you know the difference? The immune system works abnormally under > this condition, that is autoimmune dysfunction... Nope, dope. It is not an autoimmune reaction. You do not even know the meaning of the term. > A full desription and explaination of the causes of autism and what > goes on in the body of an autistic individual is disclosed in the > following link: > > http://www.drcarley.com/ Another know-nothing. > This is good reading. It would be, if I liked sick humor. I encourage everyone involved with the vaccine > / mercury debate to explore the aforementioned link. It is definately an > eye opener. I offer a possible cure and protocol in a different thread > which is based on Dr. Carley's work. > GOD bless. G-d help the anti-vac liar sociopaths., Vaccination itself cases autism, whether it has mercury or not. Under normal and natural circumstances a virus or bacterium is introduced through the muccous membranes, eyes, or stomach, not directly into the bloodstream like a vaccine. The immune system works abnormally under this condition, that is autoimmune dysfunction... A full desription and explaination of the causes of autism and what goes on in the body of an autistic individual is disclosed in the following link: http://www.drcarley.com/ This is good reading. I encourage everyone involved with the vaccine / mercury debate to explore the aforementioned link. It is definately an eye opener. I offer a possible cure and protocol in a different thread which is based on Dr. Carley's work. GOD bless. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5KSieH4Afc Remo Conscious - "Lies" Official Music Video > Vaccination itself cases autism, whether it has mercury or not. Under >normal and natural circumstances a virus or bacterium is introduced [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >eye opener. I offer a possible cure and protocol in a different thread >which is based on Dr. Carley's work. I encourage people to look at that web page. Wow. I mean, wow. You actually think it's good, huh? You think it's convincing? Amazing. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher > Thimerosal has nothing to do with autisms? Say it isn't so john, yuri, > jan-the-man, and Kevysmom! Can you guys believe that? What will you > do now? Claim that the data was manipulated. | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@liiiiiimbercartel.com> wrote in message news:sq7c55-5m4.ln1@news.lyyyyymbercartel.com... > |. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lyyyyyyyyyiiiiiiiiiiiimber cartel. > | > D. C. Sessions <dcs@lyyiimbercartel.com> > Well, well - lookie, lookie... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > jan-the-man, and Kevysmom! Can you guys believe that? What will you > do now? time to aquaint you with aluminium http://www.whale.to/y/aluminium.htm >> Well, well - lookie, lookie... >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > time to aquaint you with aluminium http://www.whale.to/y/aluminium.htm Is this an admission by John Scudamore that the Thimerosal-autism link is D O A? Can it be? >>> Well, well - lookie, lookie... >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Can it be? Of course. After that, maybe they'll blame DHMO. | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ Science has proven that the following conditions may all be caused by the aluminum-hydroxide in vaccines: Chronic fatigue, Multiple sclerosis , Lou Gehrig's disease, Demyelinating central nervous system disorders, Plymyalgia rheumatica and rheumatoid arthritis, Motor delay, Hypotonia or diminished muscle tone, Failure to thrive, Apoptic neurons, which are self-destructing neurons in the lumbar spinal cord, Neuron loss in the lumbar spinal cord. I've known for over four years now that aluminum was bad for the body, but as usual, I just didn't know how bad it is. However, there is plenty of scientific evidence, hidden in plain sight, proving the pervasiveness and toxic nature of aluminum in our world today. Aluminum-hydroxide in vaccines causes serious health problems By Tenna Merchant > Well, well - lookie, lookie... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > jan-the-man, and Kevysmom! Can you guys believe that? What will you > do now? > Science has proven References please. And please be specific and show that it is the aluminum hydroxide from the vaccines. Thanks so much. Jeff > that the following conditions may all be caused by the > aluminum-hydroxide in vaccines: Chronic fatigue, Multiple sclerosis , Lou [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> jan-the-man, and Kevysmom! Can you guys believe that? What will you >> do now? >> Science has proven > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jeff hey pal, why don't you show us the safety studies first and for mercury Thanks so much. >>> Science has proven >> References please. And please be specific and show that it is the aluminum [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Thanks so much. You're the one making the claim. You support it. Jeff >>>> Science has proven >>> References please. And please be specific and show that it is the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Jeff You,notkidsdoc have claimed vaccine are safe. You support it. > You're the one making the claim. You support it. > > Jeff you claim they are safe so provide the evidence each ingredient is safe > hey pal, why don't you show us the safety studies first > > and for mercury Easy. 1. In groups of kids who received vaccines containing thimerosal or vaccines that were thimerosal-free, the incidence of autisms are exactly the same. 2. The removal of thimerosal from childhood vaccines has had no impact on the incidence of autisms. There you have it. Two, *independent lines of evidence* disproving any causality of thimerosal with autism. "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> Jeffrey Peter Joseph Utz, M.D. jeff...@juno.com [2007] "Robert Watson" kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com Jeff Utz jtest-u...@juno.com Jeff Utz, M.D. jeff...@juno.com Jeffrey P. Utz, M.D. jeff...@softhome.net Hence "Putz" http://www.msu.edu/~utz/ u...@pilot.msu.edu Jeffrey Peter, M.D. kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com Wyle E. Coyote wyle_e_coyot...@hotmail.com Jeff Utz kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com (Jan 2003) Jeff jef...@pacbell.net Jeff j...@hotmail.com (2007) >> Science has proven > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jeff http://poisonevercure.150m.com/aluminum_hydroxide.htm www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1608913& dopt=Abstract You're welcome. jan-the-man Junk yard dog Dbot >> that the following conditions may all be caused by the aluminum-hydroxide >> in vaccines: Chronic fatigue, Multiple sclerosis , Lou Gehrig's disease, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>> jan-the-man, and Kevysmom! Can you guys believe that? What will you >>> do now? > www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_ui... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Junk yard dog > Dbot Who the f*uck immunizes ip, jan-man? > Science For you, science is a foreign language that no one speaks. has proven that the following conditions may all be caused by the > aluminum-hydroxide in vaccines: Chronic fatigue, Multiple sclerosis , Lou > Gehrig's disease, Demyelinating central nervous system disorders, Plymyalgia [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> jan-the-man, and Kevysmom! Can you guys believe that? What will you >> do now? >Well, well - lookie, lookie... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >jan-the-man, and Kevysmom! Can you guys believe that? What will you >do now? They will tell lies, of course. The lies will depend on which media outlet they get the story from. For example, in this version the ignorant journalist says "thimerosal -- which contains 49.6 percent ethylmercury", so this will be seized on as "proof" that loons like Boyd Haley are telling the truth. Another outlet included a comment by Dr Eric Fombonne (who was not associated with the research), so this will be seized on as "proof" that vested interests are behind the research. (They might even repeat the ludicrous claim that Dr Fombonne is not qualified to speak about the spread of autism because he is a psychiatrist and epidemiologist, qualifications which would meet the expectations of anybody with a working brain cell.) And so it goes ... SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > >Well, well - lookie, lookie... > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au > To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com Its funny but I havent seen any lies that you mentioned. >> >Well, well - lookie, lookie... >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> >> -- >Its funny but I havent seen any lies that you mentioned. Where have you been looking? MHA isn't the universe. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >> Well, well - lookie, lookie... >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > And so it goes ... Shortly after I read the study, I saw droves of unemployed anti-vac liar sociopaths walking the streets looking for work. I woke up, and realized that it was only a dream. They are already spinning this study and ignoring the facts. > >> Well, well - lookie, lookie... > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Oh, you are such a comedian! > They will tell lies, of course. KATCHING............... loons like Boyd Haley KATCHING > it Peter Bowditch >loons like Boyd Haley Keep it up, Jan. You are doing well and there is hope for even more improvement. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > Well, well - lookie, lookie... > > http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4099059&page=1 journal Archives of General Psychiatry Yep, lookie, lookie http://psychdata.blogspot.com/ Psychdata - Dedicated to exposing the fraud of psychiatry jan-the-man Opps, I just looked, I am still a lady. > Well, well - lookie, lookie... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > jan-the-man, and Kevysmom! Can you guys believe that? What will you > do now? All thet really needs to be said about this study From http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/healthday/611489.html?chan=top+new s_top+news+index_lifestyle "The study makes clear that "thimerosal cannot be the major cause of autism in California," said its lead author, Dr. Robert Schechter, medical officer with the Immunization Branch of the California Department of Public Health. " Would you really expect Dr. Bob to find that his branch of medicine caused at least some of the autism cases. Sort of like Gonzales investigating the Justice department Let us take a closer look at what is being provided by these two articles. The autism rate in 1990 was 3/10K. It was around 1990 when the big push for vaccine usage began. The rate in 1996 was 13/10K, an increase of 433%. The rate in 2000 was 45/10K as measured in 6 yr olds in 2006. This is an increase of 1500 % from 1990. The increase in vaccine usage was, coincidentally, over 1000% during that same time period. Additionally, thimerosal was not fully removed from vaccines until 2003, supposedly. It is still found in the flu jab and others. Still one has to look at the language used. "...And the most recent research to nullify this association, published Monday in the journal Archives of General Psychiatry, reveals that the prevalence of autism for children ages 3 to 12 continued to increase in California even after 2001 -- when all but trace levels of mercury had been removed from most childhood vaccines." The key words are" trace levels" and "most childhood vaccines." Define trace levels. The medical gods have always argued that thimerosal was always administered in safe, trace levels. Define most. Most is not all. Who did the study? Does their job and reputation depend upon there being no connection between mercury and immunization? "The study makes clear that "thimerosal cannot be the major cause of autism in California," said its lead author, Dr. Robert Schechter, medical officer with the Immunization Branch of the California Department of Public Health. " Certainly this person can have no credibility. For such a study to be valid it must be conducted by competent statisticians with no connection to the vaccine and medical industry, the Immunization branch of the California DPH, and not be in fear of reprisals. Finally we read: "Another expert called the study limited and said it did not prove that vaccines have no connection to autism." That pretty much sums up the value of Schechter's work. DrCee I recently did a bit of research on the prevalence of thimerosal in flu shots. I've become a bit fixated on the matter recently, since Autism Speaks attempted to have me arrested at their benefit concert of last April, for simply politely asking people on the sidewalk if they would like information about vaccine safety. If you're interested in the sorts of low life that are profiting from the destruction of your children, read http://www.wideopenwest.com/~r_nemeth/clinic_timeline.htm Robin Nemeth North Royalton, Ohio The founder of Autism Speaks is Bob Wright, Vice Chairman and Executive Officer, General Electric, and Chairman and CEO, NBC Universal. GE also made products using Thimerosal. Bob Wright is one of the lowest scums IMO. > I recently did a bit of research on the prevalence of thimerosal in > flu shots. I've become a bit fixated on the matter recently, since [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Robin Nemeth > North Royalton, Ohio >I recently did a bit of research on the prevalence of thimerosal in > flu shots. I've become a bit fixated on the matter recently, since [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Robin Nemeth > North Royalton, Ohio Wow! Thanks, Robin. >I recently did a bit of research on the prevalence of thimerosal in >flu shots. I've become a bit fixated on the matter recently, since [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Robin Nemeth >North Royalton, Ohio One flu shot with 25 mcg of thimerosal will not cause the "destruction" of anyone's children. And you have way too much time on your hands. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher > In article <bdc1cbdd-74e5-477d-9b80-ed0950b00...@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. > "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher Even the CDC acknowledges that people die from the flu vaccine. whats in the flu vaccine that would cause death? And remember only a small percent of reactions are reported. What are the risks from getting a flu shot? The viruses in the flu shot are killed (inactivated), so you cannot get the flu from a flu shot. The risk of a flu shot causing serious harm, or death, is extremely small. However, a vaccine, like any medicine, may rarely cause serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions. > Even the CDC acknowledges that people die from the flu vaccine. They also die from peanuts, shrimp, and eggs. | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ >> In article <bdc1cbdd-74e5-477d-9b80-ed0950b00...@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >in the flu vaccine that would cause death? And remember only a small >percent of reactions are reported. That's because most of the reactions are horrors like a sore arm. Whoopee. >What are the risks from getting a flu shot? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >medicine, may rarely cause serious problems, such as severe allergic >reactions. Yes. So, for example, persons allergic to eggs might not be a good candidate to get a flu shot. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher >Let us take a closer look at what is being provided by these two >articles. Yes, let's. And an even closer look at the distortions provided by the likes of Cee. >The autism rate in 1990 was 3/10K. It was around 1990 when the big >push for vaccine usage began. Actually, that's just the reported rate, from 18 years ago when autism wasn't being looked for anywhere near as thoroughly as it is today. Which means that the statistic really proves nothing. >The rate in 1996 was 13/10K, an >increase of 433%. The rate in 2000 was 45/10K as measured in 6 yr >olds in 2006. This is an increase of 1500 % from 1990. The increase >in vaccine usage was, coincidentally, over 1000% during that same time >period. Not hardly it wasn't. There are not 11 times as many vaccines being given today as there were in 1990. There are more, but since the total immunization schedule is still around 20-25 injections per child, that'd mean that kids were only getting 2 back in 1990. Which is, of course, completely wrong. Good rule of thumb: whenever Cee starts trying to throw numbers around, check them. You'll find that he's wildly wrong. >Additionally, thimerosal was not fully removed from vaccines until >2003, supposedly. "Supposedly" according to whom? It was out of the manufacturing process by the end of 2001 and most of those stocks were exhausted by 2003. >It is still found in the flu jab and others. Some flu shots. And the "others" are not part of the regular schedule. >Still one has to look at the language used. "...And the most recent >research to nullify this association, published Monday in the journal [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >from most childhood vaccines." The key words are" trace levels" and >"most childhood vaccines." Define trace levels. They've already been defined for you, if you actually wanted to know, which you don't. But since you raise the point, they've been reduced to less than 0.3 micrograms per vaccine, or 100 times less than the old values, meaning that at worst, kids today would get the equivalent of *one* shot's worth (old form) in a full course of today's vaccines. Actually, it's even less, since many vaccines (MMR, for example) don't contain thimerosal and never did. >The medical gods have always argued that thimerosal was always >administered in safe, trace levels. Define most. Most is not all. Gee, how clever of you to know that most is not all. You're a genius. The only interesting exception was flu vaccine anyway, and not that many kids get it, certainly not enough to keep those autism levels rising. >Who did the study? Does their job and reputation depend upon there >being no connection between mercury and immunization? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Department of Public Health. " >Certainly this person can have no credibility. Sure he can. As opposed to Cee, who is a mathematical and scientific illiterate, and *truly* has no credibility. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher |
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