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Hyperactivity prescriptions triple in seven years

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Jan Drew - 27 Nov 2007 05:55 GMT
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/26/nkids226.xml

The use of powerful mind-altering drugs to treat supposedly hyperactive or
badly behaved children has tripled in just seven years, despite fears over
harmful side-effects.

Figures show that GPs wrote nearly 406,000 prescriptions for such drugs last
year, compared with 135,000 in 1999. Last night, politicians and children's
groups branded the rise "astonishing".

David Laws, the Liberal Democrat children's spokesman, said: "We need a
fundamental review of whether we are right to be pouring chemicals into our
children in this way. Perhaps we should instead be looking at issues such as
food, sleeping patterns, family upheaval, and general environment."

The use of powerful mind-altering drugs to treat supposedly hyperactive or
badly behaved children has tripled in just seven years, despite fears over
harmful side-effects.

Figures show that GPs wrote nearly 406,000 prescriptions for such drugs last
year, compared with 135,000 in 1999. Last night, politicians and children's
groups branded the rise "astonishing".

David Laws, the Liberal Democrat children's spokesman, said: "We need a
fundamental review of whether we are right to be pouring chemicals into our
children in this way. Perhaps we should instead be looking at issues such as
food, sleeping patterns, family upheaval, and general environment."

Mr Laws, who obtained the figures in a Parliamentary question, said some
families may be pressuring GPs to prescribe drugs to allow them to claim
child disability allowances.

Parents who have a child diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity
Disorder (ADHD) are entitled to benefits of up to £10,000 a year. According
to the latest figures, more than £17 million was spent last year on drugs to
treat ADHD.

Prescriptions for the anti-ADHD drug Ritalin - said to be linked to
depression, drowsiness, epilepsy and high blood pressure - slumped from
168,300 in 2001 to just 21,681 last year. However, other drugs using the
same ingredient - methylphenidate hydrochloride - soared over the same
period.

Prescriptions of Concerta rose from 43,100 in 2002 to 226,442 last year,
while Equasym prescriptions rose from 4,400 in 2000 to 57,475.

A spokesman for the Swiss firm Novartis, which makes Ritalin, said "it has
been used safely and effectively in the treatment of ADHD over more than 50
years and is one of the most studied drugs prescribed for the disorder".

"Novartis supports only the appropriate use of Ritalin, as indicated and
prescribed by qualified, licensed healthcare professionals."
The One True Zhen Jue - 27 Nov 2007 05:56 GMT
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/26/nkids...
>
> "Novartis supports only the appropriate use of Ritalin, as indicated and
> prescribed by qualified, licensed healthcare professionals."

Well, that sums it up. Nothing for Jan to rant about.
Jeff - 27 Nov 2007 12:13 GMT
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/26/nkids226.xml 
>
> The use of powerful mind-altering drugs to treat supposedly hyperactive
> or badly behaved children has tripled in just seven years, despite fears
> over harmful side-effects.

The drugs are prescribed to treat ADHD, not bad behaviors. The fact the
prescriptions have gone up indicates that physicians in the UK are now
understanding that ADHD is a real condition that can be helped with
proper treatments, just one of which is medication.

Rest of midleading copyrighted article deleted.

Jeff
Mark Probert - 27 Nov 2007 12:46 GMT
> The drugs are prescribed to treat ADHD, not bad behaviors. The fact the
> prescriptions have gone up indicates that physicians in the UK are now
> understanding that ADHD is a real condition that can be helped with
> proper treatments, just one of which is medication.

In fact, for years in a.s.a.d. we had folks from GB telling just how
badly the medical people were in denial of this real condition.
Twittering One - 27 Nov 2007 14:37 GMT
> In fact, for years in a.s.a.d. we had folks from GB telling just how
> badly the medical people were in denial of this real condition.

Good point. And true.

GB is certainly posied for a deabet, based on their concernes for
"costs" not that they do recognize the direct costs -- if not the
costs of not treating.
Jan Drew - 28 Nov 2007 06:57 GMT
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/26/nkids226.xml 
>> The use of powerful mind-altering drugs to treat supposedly hyperactive
>> or badly behaved children has tripled in just seven years, despite fears
>> over harmful side-effects.
>
> The drugs are prescribed to treat ADHD, not bad behaviors.

FACT:  ADHD kids have bad behaviors.

The fact the
> prescriptions have gone up indicates that physicians in the UK are now
> understanding that ADHD is a real condition that can be helped with proper
> treatments, just one of which is medication.

No, that is not a fact.  Fact is they are concerned.

From the USA.

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"There is ample evidence that it is possible for psychoactive drugs - and
stimulants in particular - to harm the brain," said Dr Terrell Gibbs, of the
Boston University School of Medicine, whose research has shown that high
doses of amphetamines can cause brain damage in animals. "Wide use [of
Ritalin] in children began before information on its long-term effects were
available, and we are very lucky not to be seeing an epidemic of
neurological disease. Prozac is now in the position that Ritalin was a few
years ago, with widespread paediatric use despite very limited evidence of
safety."

> Rest of midleading copyrighted article deleted.
>
> Jeff

Jeff who?

Now... don't forget to answer.
WWWSC #2 - 28 Nov 2007 11:23 GMT
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:

>FACT:  ADHD kids have bad behaviors.

Bullshit.  Not all children affected by ADHD 'have bad behaviors'.  
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Formerly known as Ann

Jan Drew - 29 Nov 2007 02:32 GMT
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:
>
>>FACT:  ADHD kids have bad behaviors.
>
> Bullshit.  Not all

OOps.  You added the word *all*.

children affected by ADHD 'have bad behaviors'.
indomitable2 - 29 Nov 2007 07:23 GMT
>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> children affected by ADHD 'have bad behaviors'.

Wrong.

Children diagnosed with ADHD are children whose behavior has been designated
as "bad" behavior by the narcissistic adults such children share territory
with.

If American adults weren't so narcissistic,  then,  they would react so
poorly to the unwillingness of youth to attend to adults who bore the
children to tears.
WWWSC #2 - 29 Nov 2007 11:31 GMT
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:

>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>children affected by ADHD 'have bad behaviors'.

No, you twisted fool, I said "Bullshit.  Not all children affected by
ADHD 'have bad behaviors'.  ".  Anyone with any level of reading
comprehension can see that you're once again twisting the truth the
push your own agenda.

My children didn't have 'bad behavior', nor did I.  We are just
different.  Idiots like you think they're 'bad'.
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Proud member WWWSC #2
Formerly known as Ann

Jeff - 28 Nov 2007 12:51 GMT
>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/26/nkids226.xml 
>>> The use of powerful mind-altering drugs to treat supposedly
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> FACT:  ADHD kids have bad behaviors.

However, not all ADHD kids are hyperactive. Some just don't pay
attention well. Yet, they benefit from the medications and other
treatments as well.

> The fact the
>> prescriptions have gone up indicates that physicians in the UK are now
>> understanding that ADHD is a real condition that can be helped with
>> proper treatments, just one of which is medication.
>
> No, that is not a fact.  Fact is they are concerned.

And obviously, the doctors in the UK are using appropriate treatment.

<...>

Jeff
t - 28 Nov 2007 13:52 GMT
>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/26/nkids226.xml 
>>>> The use of powerful mind-altering drugs to treat supposedly hyperactive
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> <...>
Stay away from children.
> Jeff
Jan Drew - 29 Nov 2007 01:25 GMT
"Jeff" <NOTkidsdoc2000@hotmail.com
continues..............................................
Real one on HealthFraud list: Jeffrey Peter Joseph Utz, M.D.
jeff...@juno.com
[2007] "Robert Watson" kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com
Jeff Utz  jtest-u...@juno.com
Jeff Utz, M.D. jeff...@juno.com
Jeffrey P. Utz, M.D. jeff...@softhome.net   Hence "Putz"
http://www.msu.edu/~utz/  u...@pilot.msu.edu
Jeffrey Peter, M.D. kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com
Wyle E. Coyote wyle_e_coyot...@hotmail.com
Jeff Utz  kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com (Jan 2003)
Jeff jef...@pacbell.net
Jeff j...@hotmail.com (2007)

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/26/nkids226.xml
>
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
> "Novartis supports only the appropriate use of Ritalin, as indicated and
> prescribed by qualified, licensed healthcare professionals."
Mark Probert - 28 Nov 2007 13:08 GMT
wrote:

> FACT:  ADHD kids have bad behaviors.

"Bad behavior" is not part of the diagnostic criteria for AD/HD.
Jan Drew - 29 Nov 2007 01:55 GMT
> wrote:

Who wrote?

Comon, Markey.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/A1974true/73819e3a.gif

>> FACT:  ADHD kids have bad behaviors.
>
> "Bad behavior" is not part of the diagnostic criteria for AD/HD.

Keep on Lying, Markey and pushing drugging kids.

Often fidgets with hands or feet or squirms in seat (in adolescents or
adults) and may be limited to subjective feelings of restlessness.

Has difficulty remaining in seat when asked to do so.

Is easily distracted by extraneous stimuli.

Often blurts out answers to questions before they have been completed.

Has difficulty following through on instructions from others.

Often shifts from one uncompleted activity to another.

Has difficulty playing quietly.

Often talks excessively.

Often interrupts or intrudes on others.

Often does not seem to listen to what is being said to him or her.

Often loses things necessary for tasks or activities at school or at home.

Often engages in physically dangerous activities without considering
possible consequences.
Raving - 29 Nov 2007 17:27 GMT
> > wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> Often engages in physically dangerous activities without considering
> possible consequences.

OMG ...

f.ck me dead!
vernono - 29 Nov 2007 17:58 GMT
> wrote:
>
>> FACT:  ADHD kids have bad behaviors.
>
> "Bad behavior" is not part of the diagnostic criteria for AD/HD.

"Bad behavior" has no specific meaning whatever.
Mark Probert - 30 Nov 2007 03:25 GMT
>> wrote:
>>
>>> FACT:  ADHD kids have bad behaviors.
>> "Bad behavior" is not part of the diagnostic criteria for AD/HD.
>
> "Bad behavior" has no specific meaning whatever.

Quite true. Some would say that my posting style is "bad behavior".
Raving - 30 Nov 2007 05:50 GMT
On Nov 29, 10:25 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com>
wrote:
> >> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Quite true. Some would say that my posting style is "bad behavior".

It could be worse. Some might claim that your posting style is in "bad
taste".
Mark Probert - 30 Nov 2007 12:54 GMT
> On Nov 29, 10:25 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> It could be worse. Some might claim that your posting style is in "bad
> taste".

Taste is subjective.
Raving - 30 Nov 2007 15:53 GMT
> > On Nov 29, 10:25 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com>
> > wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Taste is subjective.

There is no accounting for it. Hence, "bad taste" is inexcusable and
unforgivable behavior.
Twittering One - 30 Nov 2007 15:55 GMT
> There is no accounting for it. Hence, "bad taste" is inexcusable and
> unforgivable behavior.

Not all accountants are nerds.
Raving - 30 Nov 2007 16:14 GMT
> > There is no accounting for it. Hence, "bad taste" is inexcusable and
> > unforgivable behavior.
>
> Not all accountants are nerds.

Sometimes a person requires nerds of steel.
Twittering One - 30 Nov 2007 16:21 GMT
> > Not all accountants are nerds.
>
> Sometimes a person requires nerds of steel.

gotcha
vernono - 30 Nov 2007 17:14 GMT
>> There is no accounting for it. Hence, "bad taste" is inexcusable and
>> unforgivable behavior.
>
> Not all accountants are nerds.

Who told you that lie?
Actually, as a department head and CEO of several highly technical
companies, the most difficult position to fill was an accountant who could
account.  A good one was gold.
vernono - 30 Nov 2007 17:08 GMT
>> On Nov 29, 10:25 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com>
>> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Taste is subjective.

Well, there are also those who have no taste.
vernono - 30 Nov 2007 17:07 GMT
>>> wrote:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Quite true. Some would say that my posting style is "bad behavior".

Oh, you recognize it?  :>)
Raving - 28 Nov 2007 03:36 GMT
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/26/nkids...

"They seek him here, they seek him there,
In Regent Street and Leicester Square.
Everywhere the Carnabetian army marches on,
Each one a dedicated follower of fashion."

> Parents who have a child diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity
> Disorder (ADHD) are entitled to benefits of up to £10,000 a year.

              Fcuk!
indomitable2 - 28 Nov 2007 04:26 GMT
You may be interested in the following New York Sunday Times article

"Dr. Drug Rep"
By DANIEL CARLAT
Published: November 25, 2007

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/25/magazine/25memoir-t.html?em&ex=1196312400&en=a
9161bfac3b1eed1&ei=5087%0A


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/25/magazine/25memoir-t.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
indomitable2 - 28 Nov 2007 04:36 GMT
> You may be interested in the following New York Sunday Times article
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/25/magazine/25memoir-t.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

FYI...

Here's evidence indicating that that the Royal We,  or, consensus opinion,
wrt this issue
is the one touted by usenet posters who have been being stalked to their
death.

http://prescriptionproject.org/blog/?p=29

Right now, Dr. Daniel Carlat's article, "Dr. Drug Rep," is sitting atop the
vaunted Most E-mailed list on nytimes.com.
 
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