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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / September 2007Peter Bowditch - let's talk about your defamation of Cavitat, etc...
Peter Bowditch: A short while ago, in a series called "gurgle gurgle, etc.," you made some statements about certain dental activities. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/browse_thread/thread/4f0b 28efa5f177fc/c99ced5040993cfa?lnk=gst&q=dentist+ratbags&rnum=1#c99ced5040993cfa To me, it was great stuff, because, it was clear that you are either (1) totally out of your mind (the insanity defense), or (2) you think because you are in Australia that you can't be reached by the US Court system. Or both? Let's talk about that. I'm going to ask you for documentation on each of your statements. Your future financial security could be effected by your answers. You can be sued in a US Court. Please provide documentation that backs up the following statement: "Perhaps the crooks might still be in business if they hadn't submitted fraudulent insurance claims." Please provide documentation that backs up the following statement: "So you think that an insurance company responding to a case of insurance fraud is doing the wrong thing, Jan. That tells me a lot about you and your concept of morality." Please provide documentation that backs up the following statement: "What has anyone's knowledge of dentistry got to do with a company (Cavitat) submitting insurance claims which state that the treatment was something other than what really happened? Aetna did not provide cover for NICO. Cavitat put in claims for NICO treatment but ticked another box. It was fraud, not dentistry." Please provide documentation that backs up the following statement: "I apologise. The principals of Cavitat just advised people how to submit fraudulent insurance claims. Same crime, different criminals." Eager in California... Tim Bolen >Peter Bowditch: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Your future financial security could be effected by your answers. You >can be sued in a US Court. Go for it. Remember the California SLAPP laws, and how your financial security could be affected (the correct word) by your answers. In fact, these laws could very well effect my financial security. >Please provide documentation that backs up the following statement: >"Perhaps the crooks might still be in business if they hadn't >submitted fraudulent insurance claims." if the crooks hadn't submitted fraudulent insurance claims then Aetna would not have noticed them, they would not have ended up in court, and they might very well still be in business. QED. "As alleged more particularly hereafter, Jones and Cavitat promote the sale and use of the Cavitat device, dangerous and deceptive dentistry, and the collection of funds from insurers for improper practices in a fashion that is false and misleading". http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/aetna1.pdf http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/ni/comment/aetna2.pdf >Please provide documentation that backs up the following statement: >"So you think that an insurance company responding to a case of >insurance fraud is doing the wrong thing, Jan. That tells me a lot >about you and your concept of morality." You really need to get help with your reading and comprehension difficulties, Tim. I don't need anything to back up a generic question about insurance fraud directed to a Usenet poster. >Please provide documentation that backs up the following statement: >"What has anyone's knowledge of dentistry got to do with a company >(Cavitat) submitting insurance claims which state that the treatment >was something other than what really happened? Aetna did not provide >cover for NICO. Cavitat put in claims for NICO treatment but ticked >another box. It was fraud, not dentistry." "As alleged more particularly hereafter, Jones and Cavitat promote the sale and use of the Cavitat device, dangerous and deceptive dentistry, and the collection of funds from insurers for improper practices in a fashion that is false and misleading". http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/aetna1.pdf http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/ni/comment/aetna2.pdf >Please provide documentation that backs up the following statement: >"I apologise. The principals of Cavitat just advised people how to >submit fraudulent insurance claims. Same crime, different criminals." "As alleged more particularly hereafter, Jones and Cavitat promote the sale and use of the Cavitat device, dangerous and deceptive dentistry, and the collection of funds from insurers for improper practices in a fashion that is false and misleading". http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/aetna1.pdf >Eager in California... > >Tim Bolen Thank you for the opportunity to include links to the story about the Cavitat Crowd of Crooks in the Google Usenet archive (and all the other archives which mine newsservers for blog content. You must really like spreading damage to your clients.  SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >>Peter Bowditch: >> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > difficulties, Tim. I don't need anything to back up a generic question > about insurance fraud directed to a Usenet poster. You really need to stop lying. You don't know what I think. Furthermore, that came out of mid air as most of what you type. What I typed was: *Aetna officials maintained that they had always been guided by the precepts of the A.M.A. *Organized Medicine and dentistry*. Uh Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Neither did you ask a question. What you did was harass. You know nothing first hand about the Cavitat. I do have first jaw experience. But then what do you know about dentistry has been proven with your repeated lies saying there is no such thing as *mercury amalgram*. Strike three you are out. >>Please provide documentation that backs up the following statement: >>"What has anyone's knowledge of dentistry got to do with a company [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > other archives which mine newsservers for blog content. You must > really like spreading damage to your clients. > jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > >Peter Bowditch: [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Ah, Peter: It is as I thought. You quote from the countersuit which was thrown out by the court for having no substance. You need to learn the difference between quackpot wishful thinking and simple reality. Aetna submitted, basically, the same weak counterclaim TWICE, and had it rejected both times - and they were given more than adequate time, each time, to provide even a shred of evidence that their claim had some validity. You, on your website, and in your writings, are knowingly maintaining objectionable material which has been openly examined, and declared in a US Federal Court, to have no validity. You are, by definition, defaming. And, either you know it, or you are just not that bright. Which is it? I will review more of your offerings, and get back to you. If it's any consolation, my guess is you wouldn't be alone on the Defendant's list, and the case would not be tried in California. You and bobbie could share a room? And, perhaps, James Randi could come by and do a magic trick for you? Amused in California... Tim Bolen On Sep 26, 1:57 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > > jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > > >Peter Bowditch: [quoted text clipped - 105 lines] > defaming. And, either you know it, or you are just not that bright. > Which is it? Chortle, chortle, chortle.......ever heard of 3rd party reposting? Good luck with your claim of 'defaming'. (You can thank yourself and Ilena "Hitler" Rosenthal for that Freedom of Speech.) > On Sep 26, 1:57 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 113 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Coleah: By the way "Coleah." My people are having a little trouble locating an actual person named "Coleah Penley Ayers" except for that organized drivel you put on your so-called website. So, it is beginning to look like "Coleah Penley Ayers" is a construction - the kind of construction weirdo Terry Polevoy would dream up. Terry likes to cross-dress on the internet - and your portrayed persona fits something Pimple Popper Polevoy would think up. So - is this you Terry? What actual proof do you have that "Coleah Penley Ayers" really exists. Or is this just a name "staker" Polevoy took off of a tombstone in Bumfuck, Ontario? Curious in California... Tim Bolen >> On Sep 26, 1:57 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 126 lines] > >So - is this you Terry? This gets funnier by the day. >What actual proof do you have that "Coleah Penley Ayers" really >exists. Or is this just a name "staker" Polevoy took off of a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Tim Bolen SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > This gets funnier by the day. Peter: I don't think "funnier" is a good word to use here. "Disturbing" is a word, I think, more suitable to describe Polevoy's usual behavior. I think most people in the North American Health Freedom Movement would have no problem envisioning Polevoy wrapping himself in a dowdy dress and a cheap wig, stuffing fake silicone breasts into his shirt front, adjusting his makeup to get the right "butch" look, and emerging in front of his computer as "Coleah Penley Ayers." Talk about even more "disturbing" information - ask "Pimple Popper" why he isn't practicing as a Pediatrician anymore... Concerned in California... Tim Bolen >> This gets funnier by the day. > >Peter: > >I don't think "funnier" is a good word to use here. "Disturbing" is a >word, I think, more suitable to describe Polevoy's usual behavior. Oh, it's funny all right. What is it about quackery spruikers that they have to continually accuse people of being other people? >I think most people in the North American Health Freedom Movement >would have no problem envisioning Polevoy wrapping himself in a dowdy >dress and a cheap wig, stuffing fake silicone breasts into his shirt >front, adjusting his makeup to get the right "butch" look, and >emerging in front of his computer as "Coleah Penley Ayers." As most people in the "North American Health Freedom Movement" seem delusional and suffer from the impression that quackery and fraud are useful, I would not be surprised at what the could envision. Many of them seem to have fantasies about who is who, for example. >Talk about even more "disturbing" information - ask "Pimple Popper" >why he isn't practicing as a Pediatrician anymore... > >Concerned in California... > >Tim Bolen SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >> This gets funnier by the day. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >I think most people in the North American Health Freedom Movement Last I knew, you were the only such person, Timmie. Despite your silly claims of being a "consumer advocate" etc. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "[Republicans] talk about Reagan the way gay guys talk about Barbra Streisand." -- Bill Maher >On Sep 26, 1:57 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 111 lines] >Good luck with your claim of 'defaming'. (You can thank yourself and >Ilena "Hitler" Rosenthal for that Freedom of Speech.) Exactly. Another thing I have to thank Tim for. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > Thank you for the opportunity to include links to the story about the > Cavitat Crowd of Crooks in the Google Usenet archive (and all the > other archives which mine newsservers for blog content. You must > really like spreading damage to your clients. Peter: It is so good to see a FOOL like you brag about your "malicious intent," right here in front of us. I suppose, in your "response" in a US court you will claim your statements were "just a joke," right? I absolutely LOVED your "rag-tag posse of snake oil vigilantes" - it played extremely well (and will continue to play well) in many US courtroom settings - and little bobbie spluttered his way through explanations of "it's just a joke." I enjoy seeing a little sh.t like you squirming. I'm very disappointed that you didn't walk into my traps set for you in California and Mexico,when you had your picture taken - trying to convince your goofy friends that how brave you were. You showed up just before dark at each place to have your photo taken, long after everyone had gone home. I ws SO HOPING you'd knock on the door of Hulda Clark's clinic... You'd still be in a Mexican jail. But, a cowardly little sh.t like you, no doubt, figured out, probably due to my silence then, on the subject, that something was in store for you. Damn... Amused in California and Mexico... Tim Bolen On Sep 27, 11:22 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > > Thank you for the opportunity to include links to the story about the > > Cavitat Crowd of Crooks in the Google Usenet archive (and all the [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Tim Bolen --------------------------------- So Tim Bolen, are you saying that you are working for Hulda Clark and posting on her behalf then? > On Sep 27, 11:22 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Coleah (Terry Polevoy): Please come out and play using your own name, Terry. I come from a Christian background and the idea of dealing with a cross-dresser in a business setting is repulsive to me. You sitting there in a dowdy dress and a cheap wig, with fake silicone breasts stuffed down the front of your shirt,with your make-up adjusted foir the proper "butch" look,a s "Coleah Penley Ayers," just isn't going to get a serious response. This is your last warning. Repulsed in California... Tim Bolen On Sep 27, 4:02 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On Sep 27, 11:22 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ----------------------------------------- -------------------------------------- So the correct answer would be a "yes" then. As I thought. BTW - why is it you have not paid over $88,000 in Federal Taxes on your income???? Got some special entitlement that regular working stiffs don't? -------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------- > So the correct answer would be a "yes" then. > As I thought. Ilena: Note the "Admission" in Coleah (Terry Polevoy's) response. She/he/it clearly said "So the correct answer would be a "yes" then." I think you may have, here, what you need for a criminal "stalking" complaint in California... Check it out.. I was sure certain they were the same person right after I went to her/ his/its website and saw the photo supposedly of "Coleah Penley Ayers" at El Toro MCAS. That was ABSOLUTELY a picture of Polevoy... Ask her/him/it why "they" can't practice as a Pediatrician in Ontario any more. Amazed in California... Tim Bolen On Sep 27, 6:35 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > > ----------------------------------------- > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Tim Bolen ---------------------------------------------- I find you incredibly funny Patrick "Timmy" Bolen. Does Ilena wonder why your Tax Judgment and her Tax Judgments were filed within a month of each other? >From the looks of it they had you under a microscope and something about you shifted attention to Ilena. I bet she's so thrilled to rub elbows with your ilk. On Sep 27, 2:02 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On Sep 27, 11:22 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Bolen - What the heck kind of funny stuff are you growing in that forest of your's. . .Are you really trying to sell us on the idea, that you have no idea who Coleah is??? You really need to ring up Ilena, if you guys can get cell reception between the forest you dwell in, and the jungle that Ilena hides in. You are in need of serious enlightenment, before you make any more of a fool of yourself, than you already have! > On Sep 27, 2:02 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Myrl: Maybe you better stick with real estate there at GMAC in Sacramento. You're way over your head. You're beginning to look like an aging blonde joke. Concerned in California... Tim Bolen On Sep 27, 4:38 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On Sep 27, 2:02 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Well Mark, I think you need to have a serious talk with Ilena, so she can at least clue you in, as to who Coleah and Mark Polevoy are, before you get in more over your head than you are! It might save you from further public embarassment. On Sep 27, 4:38 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > Myrl: > You're beginning to look like an aging blonde joke. > > Concerned in California... > > Tim Bolen- I want to thank you for the compliment Timmie. . .I am 64 years old, and being considered as "aging" at my age is flattery. I consider myself "aged" - and I'm quite comfortable with that;-) > Bolen - What the heck kind of funny stuff are you growing in that > forest of your's. . .Are you really trying to sell us on the idea, > that you have no idea who Coleah is??? You really need to ring up > Ilena, if you guys can get cell reception between the forest you dwell > in, and the jungle that Ilena hides in. Ilena, to her credit, has not done anything to encourage or support Bolen. THAT says volumes about Bolen. > > Bolen - What the heck kind of funny stuff are you growing in that > > forest of your's. . .Are you really trying to sell us on the idea, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > THAT says volumes about Bolen. I think it likely speaks volumes about legal council explaining to Ilena, how attorney billable hours work;-) Who would pay Ilena Rosenthal's attorney hours, if she becomes more joined at the hip with Bolen, than she already is??? >>> Bolen - What the heck kind of funny stuff are you growing in that >>> forest of your's. . .Are you really trying to sell us on the idea, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Who would pay Ilena Rosenthal's attorney hours, if she becomes more > joined at the hip with Bolen, than she already is??? I'll leave it as I said. Mark Probert (or whomever you are) You never jumped in there and gave us which address to use. Which one? Impatient in California... Tim Bolen > Mark Probert (or whomever you are) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Tim Bolen Yawn... >> On Sep 27, 11:22 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >Christian background and the idea of dealing with a cross-dresser in a >business setting is repulsive to me. Wow, you must be really grossed out by, say, the Pope, who is wearing, when in full regalia, something that looks an awful lot like a dress. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "[Republicans] talk about Reagan the way gay guys talk about Barbra Streisand." -- Bill Maher I know it is very hard for this group to stay on track - but let's not forget the original subject here... difficult and uncomfortable as it may be for your little group. We were talking about Australia's shame, Peter Bowditch, defaming Cavitat by calling them "crooks"and other things. Any more such comments? Don't be afraid, anyone. Jump right in. It started like this: Peter Bowditch: A short while ago, in a series called "gurgle gurgle, etc.," you made some statements about certain dental activities. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/browse_thread/... To me, it was great stuff, because, it was clear that you are either (1) totally out of your mind (the insanity defense), or (2) you think because you are in Australia that you can't be reached by the US Court system. Or both? Let's talk about that. I'm going to ask you for documentation on each of your statements. Your future financial security could be effected by your answers. You can be sued in a US Court. Please provide documentation that backs up the following statement: "Perhaps the crooks might still be in business if they hadn't submitted fraudulent insurance claims." Please provide documentation that backs up the following statement: "So you think that an insurance company responding to a case of insurance fraud is doing the wrong thing, Jan. That tells me a lot about you and your concept of morality." Please provide documentation that backs up the following statement: "What has anyone's knowledge of dentistry got to do with a company (Cavitat) submitting insurance claims which state that the treatment was something other than what really happened? Aetna did not provide cover for NICO. Cavitat put in claims for NICO treatment but ticked another box. It was fraud, not dentistry." Please provide documentation that backs up the following statement: "I apologise. The principals of Cavitat just advised people how to submit fraudulent insurance claims. Same crime, different criminals." Eager in California... Tim Bolen >I know it is very hard for this group to stay on track - but let's not >forget the original subject here... difficult and uncomfortable as it >may be for your little group. We were talking about Australia's >shame, Peter Bowditch, defaming Cavitat by calling them "crooks"and >other things. Any more such comments? Yes. Thank you for "Australia's shame, Peter Bowditch". There's nothing a court likes more in a defamation action than seeing the plaintiff defaming the respondent. >Don't be afraid, anyone. Jump right in. > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > >Tim Bolen Asked and answered. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com "Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com continued to lie: >>I know it is very hard for this group to stay on track - but let's not >>forget the original subject here... difficult and uncomfortable as it [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > Asked and answered. From ratbags.LIES >> Thank you for the opportunity to include links to the story about the >> Cavitat Crowd of Crooks in the Google Usenet archive (and all the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >intent," right here in front of us. I suppose, in your "response" in >a US court you will claim your statements were "just a joke," right? You do know that in the Usenet message with the ID 1190789859.805474.97320@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com, now archived all over the place as well as in Google Groups, you publicised Aetna's counterclaims against Cavitat, plus the list of dentists who submitted fraudulent insurance claims, don't you? It's a bit late to be complaining about someone doing what you did yourself, particularly as you did it after I did. >I absolutely LOVED your "rag-tag posse of snake oil vigilantes" - it >played extremely well (and will continue to play well) in many US >courtroom settings - and little bobbie spluttered his way through >explanations of "it's just a joke." I'm sure the courts will love the way that you identified someone as Dr Robert Baratz because two names appeared side by side in a two-column list of names. You might even have to claim that you were just joking if you don't want the judge to think that you are a fool with a denseness exceeding that of depleted uranium. >I enjoy seeing a little sh.t like you squirming. Thanks for that. It's always nice to be called "a little sh.t" by someone who is threatening court action for defamation. > I'm very >disappointed that you didn't walk into my traps set for you in >California and Mexico,when you had your picture taken - trying to >convince your goofy friends that how brave you were. You showed up >just before dark at each place to have your photo taken, long after >everyone had gone home. You do realise that digital cameras put time and date stamps on photographs, don't you, Tim. And are you now actually claiming that you spend the day in your PO box and go home at knock-off time? And how do you explain the way that shadows look in photographs or is San Juan Capistrano the sort of place where the sun is almost overhead "just before dark"? >I ws SO HOPING you'd knock on the door of Hulda Clark's clinic... I did. That's was just before I took the photo of the cheap and tacky sign held on by sticky tape. http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/clark08.htm >You'd still be in a Mexican jail. But, a cowardly little sh.t Thanks for that. It's always nice to be called "a cowardly little sh.t" by someone who is threatening court action for defamation. And why would I have ended up in jail just for knocking on the door? Is that some sort of crime in Mexico? > like >you, no doubt, figured out, probably due to my silence then, on the >subject, that something was in store for you. No, I figured from your silence then that you were blowing smoke when you threatened to serve me when I turned up at your "place of business". >Damn... > >Amused in California and Mexico... > >Tim Bolen > SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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