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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / August 2007Saving oneself with Garlic and Peppers . . .
I posted a message about a piece of research done at the Medical College of South Carolina on this site a few days ago. Unfortunately, it was attacked (as usual) by a well-known internet troll. Because of this, no one posted anything further about garlic and cancer. So I'll start another one here. When I put up a note about the study on the sci.med.cancer usenet group, there was a post from a guy named Brightwinger. His post is pasted below, and I'd love to hear from anyone else who has experience with this rather eclectic approach to alternative medicine. Thanks, Dave "Thank you for that article. Nine years ago I had Stage 4 cancer. Freshly grated garlic was one of the three things I used to send the cancer packing in two weeks. Cancer cells hate garlic but are unable to defend themselves against it. I would disagree totally with Dr. Banik's opinion that it would take several years for patients to be able to benefit from this research. While it might take several years to make an expensive drug inferior to garlic, garlic can be purchased at the local grocery store of 50 cents today. One bulb can provide a week's worth of treatment. I combined the garlic with habeneros peppers and emulsified cod liver oil. Ginger could be used in place of the peppers for those who just don't tolerate peppers. I put a little each day on bread smothered in butter. The only side effect is hyperventilation for a minute or so, which is a good thing since it helps to activate the lymph system." Going from Stage 4 to Zip because of Garlic seems to be worthy of discussion, sans Trolls, on this usenet discussion. Any comments would be appreciated, Dave The Blogspot SPAMMER wrote: > When I put up a note about the study on the sci.med.cancer usenet > group, there was a post from a guy named Brightwinger. I'd suggest reading the exchange between "brightwinger" and the very real doctor Peter Moran on the alleged cancer therapy of Dr. Revici. It should be obvious that "brightwinger" does not hold evidence-based medicine in high regard. Neither do you. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/browse_thread/thread/9fe0 5787d21fa737/0e220e9e9dc2e193?hl=en#0e220e9e9dc2e193 > The Blogspot SPAMMER wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/browse_thread/... Mark, I think this discussion group is the place for posts about alternative cures, good solid nutrition based therapies, and evidence based medicine as well. As you can see from my earlier post today about "Stolen Science," I am very much in favor of science to support the sale of products. But in Brightwinger's case, there is no "product" that helped him or her. It was only natural, healthy foods, used properly. I find this encouraging and uplifting. Incidently, while I referred to a famous internet troll, I did not name you in my post. You are the one who resorts to name-calling, and consistently bashing anything I post. I'd like to suggest that the readers here have had enough. Please stick to the topic of the discussion, and avoid the name calling. Dave The Blogspot SPAMMER wrote: > Mark, I think this discussion group is the place for posts > about alternative cures, good solid nutrition based therapies, > and evidence based medicine as well. As you can see from > my earlier post today about "Stolen Science," I am very much > in favor of science to support the sale of products. That's all you care about. You have no other interest than to promote sales of supplements, even if those supplements may be harmful to the people who use them. You don't care about that. All you care about is recruiting sponsors for your commercial blogspot web site. All you care about is getting your share of the multi-billion dollar supplement business. You are without remorse or basic human decency. > The Blogspot SPAMMER wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > dollar supplement business. You are without > remorse or basic human decency. Mark, I don't think you "get" the part about Garlic being 50?? Man, are you dense, or what? Sometimes you sound completely like a brain dead moron, and other times I see a glimmer of hope. This one goes into the former category. This wasn't a post about a "product." Garlic is a plant, man, got it yet? Dave >> The Blogspot SPAMMER wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > "product" that helped him or her. It was only natural, healthy foods, > used properly. I find this encouraging and uplifting. You may be in favour of science, but what you were offered by Brightwinger was the most worthless kind of alternative medical testimonial ----. "Nine years ago I had Stage 4 cancer. Freshly grated garlic was one of the three things I used to send the cancer packing in two weeks." Surely you want a few more details before taking such a story seriously (especially when no cancer can be made to disappear completely within two weeks with any treatment, even if every cell is instantly destroyed). If you want to overlook some exaggeration in that bit, you would still surely want to know what kind of cancer this was, how it was diagnosed, and staged as Stage 1V, and by what test was the cancer shown to be "sent packing", and most importantly of all, can you see some documentation? . Claims to be able to cure cancer deserve the highest standards of evidence. It is too important a question for too many people. Sloppy testimonials are the reason why there are dozens of cures for cancer out there, none of which can ever be shown to work as claimed when put to the test on patients with active cancers . See http://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/how_to_read_a_testimonial.htm Peter Moran www.cancerwatcher.com Ask him what kind of cancer it was, how the staging was perfoemed, and what test showed the cancer being cured within two weeks of his treatment. > Incidently, while I referred to a famous internet troll, I did not > name you in my post. You are the one who resorts to name-calling, and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dave > >> The Blogspot SPAMMER wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > > Dave Good point, Peter . . . Yes, we need to know more to do a scientific analysis. But, as I said in another post to the troll, you don't get that kind of information on the usenet. People just don't share that kind of detail. But if I had a Stage Four cancer, you could smell the garlic on me a mile off. Dave >> >> The Blogspot SPAMMER wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > analysis. But, as I said in another post to the troll, you don't get > that kind of information on the usenet. True, but why not? It is because the very conventions by which alternative medicine operates allow it. Peter Moran > > Good point, Peter . . . Yes, we need to know more to do a scientific > > analysis. But, as I said in another post to the troll, you don't get [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Peter Moran Peter, I think there are two conventions at work. Yes, a lot of alternative medicine is tradition-based, and anecdotal. Add to this the fact that the usenet is used mostly for screaming at each other by people who wear different identities other than their own, and the real information you or I would be looking for gets drowned out or never appears. At a recent meeting (AANP Palm Springs) of doctors, I visited the booths of the companies who sell into that market (naturopaths, chiropractors, holistic MDs) and found that about half of them were science-based, and the other half was tradition-based. Both of them were equally busy. One thing I didn't like was that Company A would steal the science of Company B (since they are both selling some plant extract, or some non-patentable biochemical). So, there's a lot of maturing that this "industry" has before it can be considered as science-based as other healthcare. Still, one can hope . . . A lot of good has been done for those taking botanical medicines in particular. After all, drugs started as botanical medicines, before the rush to patent them, concentrate them, synthesize them . . . Dave |
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