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"Quackbusters" Have Giant Court Losses on Two Continents

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Ilena Rose - 27 Jun 2007 22:08 GMT
http://ilena-rosenthal.blogspot.com/2007/06/anti-alternative-quackbusters-have.html

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/284400/antialternative_quackbusters_hav
e_giant.html?page=2


Recent rulings in Amsterdam, Pennsylvania and the Supreme Court of
California are heavy blows to the Quackwatch anti-chiropractic and
anti-alternative medicine organizations.

After years of being labeled a"quack," and defamed and ridiculed
professionally, Dr. Maria Sickesz won a great victory in Amsterdam,
Holland early June 2007.

The Netherlands Appeals Court ordered the "Vereniging tegen de
Kwalzalverij" (Association Against Quackery, which is the Dutch
version of the so- called "Quackbusters" ) to cease and desist from
using the demeaning, subjective and pejorative term "quack." This
group is linked extensively on their website with the American
"quackwatch" headed by Stephen Barrett, who also has suffered several
legal defeats recently.

The Justices recognized that this group's affinity for giving
demeaning labels to doctors with whose practices they disagreed was a
way of shutting down emerging science.

They were also ordered to publish a public retraction in two widely
circulated newspapers. It has been estimated this will cost them
around thirty thousand euros (~US$40,350) and has been written that
this will bankrupt this highly controversial association whose work is
attempting to destroy alternative practioners in Holland.

Dr. Sickesz developed a kind of healing called orthomanual therapy
which integrates chiropractic practices. For several decades the
quackbuster organizations around the world have waged legal and public
relations wars against chiropractors and other non traditional
practitioners, demonizing them with their biased campaigns.

In June, for the second time, Barrett lost a case in a Pennsylvania
Appeals Court against a local and respected chiropractor in his
hometown of Allentown, PA.

Suing Dr. Tedd Koren has definitely backfired on the longtime head of
the quackwatch empire. During this case, Barrett had to reveal that he
had failed his psychiatric medical board tests and was never board
certified for the decades he practiced.Board certification protects
patients. Shortly thereafter, Barrett made a public announcement that
after 40 years, he was leaving Allentown.

Barrett Vs Rosenthal was decided in November, 2006 against Barrett and
his co-plaintiffs, Terry Polevoy and Christopher Grell. Though Barrett
had claimed he was defamed and libeled, the Supreme Court Justice's
final words in the decision were, "As the lower courts correctly
concluded, however, none of the hostile comments against Dr. Barrett
alleged in the complaint are defamatory."

In May, 2007, Barrett and Polevoy were ordered to post bonds of over
$433,000 in this case.

In an earlier court loss, Barrett and fellow "National Council Against
Health Fraud" member, Wallace Sampson, were ruled to be biased and
unworthy of credibility in a case they lost against King Bio, a
homeopathic remedy company.

In 2003, they also lost to Botanical Laboratories, and were ordered to
pay a significant judgment. The Judges understood the NCAHF mission
and wrote: Appellant (NCAHF) believes that no one should be allowed to
market homeopathic remedies.

Soon thereafter, NCAHF's California license was suspended for nearly 4
years, until early, 2007.
Peter Moran - 27 Jun 2007 23:30 GMT
> http://ilena-rosenthal.blogspot.com/2007/06/anti-alternative-quackbusters-have.html

How ironic.  Ilena applauding a ruling under the laws of another country
that might very promptly have found her guilty of libel if applied to her
own recent case.

Whatever happened to freedom of speech,  Ilena?

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/284400/antialternative_quackbusters_hav
e_giant.html?page=2


At least Kingbio,  this quack company (they do not even practice according
to homeopathy's own rules), has now moderated the claims made for its
glorified water drops.  The claims are now much more vague when it comes to
potentially serious conditions such as heart complaints --- things like
"---helps tone up the circulation --- ".

Peter Moran

www.cancerwatcher.com

> Recent rulings in Amsterdam, Pennsylvania and the Supreme Court of
> California are heavy blows to the Quackwatch anti-chiropractic and
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> Soon thereafter, NCAHF's California license was suspended for nearly 4
> years, until early, 2007.
Medusa - 28 Jun 2007 00:45 GMT
> How ironic.  Ilena applauding a ruling under the laws of another country
> that might very promptly have found her guilty of libel if applied to her
> own recent case.
>
> Whatever happened to freedom of speech,  Ilena?

In the United States and many other countries, there is freedom of
speech.  But there are also laws against libel and slander, in other
words, lying about others either by spoken or written word.

Ironic is the Quackwatch crowd complaining about what others have
written about them when they feel free to trash the reputations of
others,

Medusa (aka Brindal)
Peter Moran - 28 Jun 2007 01:42 GMT
>> How ironic.  Ilena applauding a ruling under the laws of another country
>> that might very promptly have found her guilty of libel if applied to her
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> written about them when they feel free to trash the reputations of
> others,

No.  We are quite accustomed to being bad-mouthed.  What we are complaining
about is Ilena's gloating,  when she has simply  gotten away with spreading
extremely malicious and lying gossip.

PM

> Medusa (aka Brindal)
Vernono O - 28 Jun 2007 04:17 GMT
>>> How ironic.  Ilena applauding a ruling under the laws of another country
>>> that might very promptly have found her guilty of libel if applied to
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> complaining about is Ilena's gloating,  when she has simply  gotten away
> with spreading extremely malicious and lying gossip.

"We"?????????
You mean you and other liars????

> PM
>
>> Medusa (aka Brindal)
Peter Moran - 28 Jun 2007 07:31 GMT
>>>> How ironic.  Ilena applauding a ruling under the laws of another
>>>> country
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> "We"?????????
> You mean you and other liars????

I rest my case.  I don't know who this person is, and I am quite sure he/she
knows nothing about me, yet I find myself being called a liar.

Peter Moran

>> PM
>>
>>> Medusa (aka Brindal)
Vernono O - 28 Jun 2007 15:17 GMT
>>>>> How ironic.  Ilena applauding a ruling under the laws of another
>>>>> country
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>>
>>> PM

Think real hard
Quackwatch = LIARS
You said "we" in association with them.
Peter Moran - 28 Jun 2007 22:45 GMT
>>>>>> How ironic.  Ilena applauding a ruling under the laws of another
>>>>>> country
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> Quackwatch = LIARS
> You said "we" in association with them.

??   Quackwatch is merely expressing a viewpoint about certain health care
claims that is shared by nearly all scientists, doctors, governments and
health agencies.     What lies has it told?

I am assuming you are aware of the personal attacks Ilena repeatedly made on
parties associated with QUackwatcht, and continued with despite every
warning,  and now continues to try to justify with her gloating about the
court's judgements.   You will find what she said in the very fine print in
the documents on her web site, if she has not taken it off.

Even the courts expressed embarassment that American law allowed such
character assassination on the Internet without the possibility of redress.
Even so,  I think those of us who are appalled by this case would accept the
outcome better  if Ilena was not continuing on as though everything she said
was true and morally justified.   If not illegal, it was malicious, immoral
and uncivilised.

P M
Vernono O - 28 Jun 2007 23:17 GMT
>>>>>>> How ironic.  Ilena applauding a ruling under the laws of another
>>>>>>> country
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> claims that is shared by nearly all scientists, doctors, governments and
> health agencies.     What lies has it told?

That one right there.
Put "paid" or "self serving" in front of EACH of the terms scientists,
doctors, governments and health agencies.
It's an organization promoting gross error and to the detriment of common
health.

Ilena is an "individual" over the top twit.  The problem is that too much of
her nonsesnse is too close to the truth about Quackwatcher.

> I am assuming you are aware of the personal attacks Ilena repeatedly made
> on parties associated with QUackwatcht, and continued with despite every
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> P M
Peter Moran - 29 Jun 2007 00:03 GMT
>>>>>>>> How ironic.  Ilena applauding a ruling under the laws of another
>>>>>>>> country
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
> It's an organization promoting gross error and to the detriment of common
> health.

Even that allegation should not be made without evidence.  Surely somewhere
there is a disgruntled drug company employee prepared to spill the beans on
how  I, Barrett, Polevoy, and innumerable other members of a worldwide
conspiracy  against alternative methods  get paid to say things that we
don't believe.

> Ilena is an "individual" over the top twit.

Then you will understand how delusional it is to consider, as Ilena does,
that she was sued simply to shut her up about the various causes she
espouses.  Sensible people understand what she is.  Her most violent
opponents are women who have been involved in the same causes..

>The problem is that too much of her nonsesnse is too close to the truth
>about Quackwatcher.

The problem is that gullible people actually believe that Barrett is
involved in criminal activities and had his license taken away for
misconduct or malpractice.   The problem is that Ilena is continuing to act
as though these things were true and even endorsed by the law courts.   She
knows fulll well that they are not and that is all I want p;eople to
understand .

Peter Moran.

>> I am assuming you are aware of the personal attacks Ilena repeatedly made
>> on parties associated with QUackwatcht, and continued with despite every
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>>
>> P M
Vernono O - 29 Jun 2007 00:34 GMT
>>>>>>>>> How ironic.  Ilena applauding a ruling under the laws of another
>>>>>>>>> country
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
> worldwide conspiracy  against alternative methods  get paid to say things
> that we don't believe.

Nope just have an uneducated mental fixation (sick)

>> Ilena is an "individual" over the top twit.
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Peter Moran.

"Criminal activity"  Disillusioned  and no one cares as long as the medical
union and the labs and the lobyists and congressmen get their just payoffs.
The courts are pawns controlled by lawyers.  Lawyers, BY DEFINITION know
NOTHING about truth.  They are there to win a case, prosecutors and
defendants alike.

The hard facts are that there are many non-prescription products that work
wonders AND there are many "authorized" prescription drugs that have
negative effects that are hidden.
The sad part is the public is not informed of either case.

Yes yes yes yes there are non-prescription products that are useless but
seldom dangerous except in the cases where a presciption drug may be the
proper solution.

Right wrong or otherwise, Quackbusters is a hate site, nothing more, nothing
less.

>>> I am assuming you are aware of the personal attacks Ilena repeatedly
>>> made on parties associated with QUackwatcht, and continued with despite
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>>>
>>> P M
Medusa - 28 Jun 2007 22:34 GMT
> No.  We are quite accustomed to being bad-mouthed.  What we are complaining
> about is Ilena's gloating,  when she has simply  gotten away with spreading
> extremely malicious and lying gossip.

Ilena had nothing to do with the Polevoy post I unearthed from another
NG over 5 years ago.  I deleted names here because I am no longer in
contact with these people and could not obtain their permission to for
usage of their names.

If this wasn't a threat, then I don't know what a threat is.  "You
never know what may happen" sounds like something out of a bad mobster
movie.

Medusa (aka Brindal)

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Newsgroups: alt.support.mult-sclerosis
From: tpole...@healthwatcher.net (Terry Polevoy)
Date: 9 Dec 2001 09:22:42 -0800
Local: Sun, Dec 9 2001 12:22 pm
Subject: Re: Diet and MS (long post) aka the Fraud of the Century
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Excuse me ******,
Could you please what the words "defrocked shrink" means?
"D" asked you about who was behind Quackwatch. I don't believe that
you told the truth.
Your description is wrong, and you know it.
Please avoid all defamatory comments about Stephen Barrett. You never
know what may happen.
Terry
Mark Probert - 29 Jun 2007 03:09 GMT
>> No.  We are quite accustomed to being bad-mouthed.  What we are complaining
>> about is Ilena's gloating,  when she has simply  gotten away with spreading
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Medusa (aka Brindal)

I easily found the original post where he is replying to KK. There is
nothing sinister to this in the slightest way.

> BEGIN QUOTED POST
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> know what may happen.
> Terry
Medusa - 29 Jun 2007 21:02 GMT
Mark;

> I easily found the original post where he is replying to KK. There is
> nothing sinister to this in the slightest way.

I usually agree with you, but Polevoy's remark "please avoid all
defamatory comments about Stephen Barrett. You never
know what may happen" soumds like a threat in my books.  Polevoy was
not a regular on this NG, so he must have been scanning Usenet groups
for slams against Barrett.

And I haven't seen Polevoy around anywhere since I posted this in
early June.  From what I've heard about him, though, he's probably
here under another name.

Medusa (aka Brindal before gmail got messed up)
Peter Moran - 29 Jun 2007 23:11 GMT
> Mark;
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> early June.  From what I've heard about him, though, he's probably
> here under another name.

Terry can be a bit of a hothead in his writings, but I am sure he would have
had nothing more than legal action in mind.

This also tends to prove that there was a malicious and lying personal smear
campaign against Barrett well before there was any thought of legal action.
Ilena quaintly pretends that she is important enough in the scheme of things
to merit a SLAPP suit (to shut her up about her writings on medicine) when
she was in reality simply an eager  passenger on an extremely sordid
bandwagon.   Hero status she does not deserve.

Peter Moran

Peter Moran
Mark Probert - 30 Jun 2007 02:17 GMT
> Mark;
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> not a regular on this NG, so he must have been scanning Usenet groups
> for slams against Barrett.

In defamation litigation in the pre-Rosenthal era, it was often a wise
idea to warn the parties. Now, there is no point to it, as it seems
like the Old West rules.

> And I haven't seen Polevoy around anywhere since I posted this in
> early June.  From what I've heard about him, though, he's probably
> here under another name.

Hmmm...is that you Terry? Actually, do not believe everything you
read.

> Medusa (aka Brindal before gmail got messed up)
 
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