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whrlwnd2@webtv.net - 22 Jun 2007 02:50 GMT
A natural approach to medicine  
 
    The Body heals itself. Disease is either a). caught, or b).
developed over time. All Disease falls into one or a combination of four
root causes: a). Toxic overload, b). poor nutrition, c).electromagnetic
chaos, and/or d). stress. There are no other root causes for disease!
    The body heals itself. Addressing the root causes aids the healing
process of the body. neglecting the root causes inhibit healing and
promote disease.
          The body heals itself. Modern medicine
treats symptoms and never address root causes of disease. Modern Big
Pharma medicine sells drugs. These drugs have side effects. These drugs
cause imbalance to the body and inhibit the healing process. These drugs
cause the body to act and react in an unnatural fashion.
    Natural, non-drug, non-surgical approaches to medicine are a threat
to the profits of big pharma medicine. They are also a threat to the
over refined and over processed food industry. Food that causes disease.
Note root causes a and b above. Fast food is engineered to cause
obesity, fat people eat more, raising the profits for fast food. Fast
food, like big pharma, are in it for the money. Obesity also cascades
into more diseases, diabetes, etc... Big Pharma profits from fast food
engineered to make people obese. Natural, non-drug and non-surgical
approaches to medicine ween people away from fast food and drugs. This
is why...
          This is why we have people blogging this
and other newsgroups! They try to discredit and turn threads, meaningful
important threads of information into bickering and name calling. They
don't want the people to know the truth about fast food, drugs, and the
natural approach to medicine. They don't want people to know about the
four root causes of disease, they don't want people to realize that
drugs treat only symptoms and are unnatural compounds that destroy cells
and have harmful side effects. They don't want people to realize that
the food supply has been corrupted and that the water supply has become
a waste disposal system for the chemical fertilizer companies.
    Fast food and big pharma, their only concern is to make you buy a
hamburger and a drug to counteract the adverse effects of the burger.
Whether you live or die is irrelevent, as long as they got a dollar or
two from you before you croaked!
    I know there will be responses from the big pharma bloggers to this
thread, I expect it. The four root causes and the exposure of them
treating symptoms and curing nothing really scares them. They stand to
lose money here. Alot of money.           The choice
is simple, my friends. Health freedom, to choose your own medical
treatment or being a slave to drugs. How many drugs do you have to take
everyday for the rest of your life? How much do they cost? Do you have
the right Medicare coverage? Do you have insurance? All of these
concerns are an illusion! A delusion! You get my drift here. All of this
drugging of the American people is needless and is destroying this
country! Snap out of this delusion! Find a good alternative doctor, that
knows natural medicine, that uses no drugs or surgery! They know how to
get your body off of the drugs you don't need!
          Please see a good natural doctor before
you go off of any drug, they are powerful compounds that throw the body
out of balance and to act unnaturally, and going off of them without
supervision can be deadly. Seriously, if you plan to stop taking any
drug, see a medical practitioner that is knowledgeable in the area of
taking people off of drugs. These doctors are on the internet. look for
them.
    Inform yourself. Read Trudeau, read Mercola, read Linus
Pauling...read, read, read! If you disagree with their concepts, fine,
but read them for yourself, don't take the skeptics of this world word
for it. Because you will have no freedom to choose if you should do so!
The bloggers will try to confuse you, they will try and pick apart my
arguements, this is expected. Bring it on...:)
          I am a christian, not a scientologist. I
believe GOD made our bodies to function a certain way and manmade drugs
cause imbalance to this function. The body heals itself. And when things
come beyond repair naturally, GOD can heal supernaturally.
cognite tute - 22 Jun 2007 15:17 GMT
>  
> A natural approach to medicine  
[quoted text clipped - 65 lines]
> cause imbalance to this function. The body heals itself. And when things
> come beyond repair naturally, GOD can heal supernaturally.

i like electromagnetic chaos.

Great post, keep it up.

j.
Robert - 23 Jun 2007 00:36 GMT
A natural approach to medicine

    The Body heals itself. Disease is either a). caught, or b).
developed over time. All Disease falls into one or a combination of four
root causes: a). Toxic overload, b). poor nutrition, c).electromagnetic
chaos, and/or d). stress. There are no other root causes for disease!
    The body heals itself. Addressing the root causes aids the healing
process of the body. neglecting the root causes inhibit healing and
promote disease.
The body heals itself. Modern medicine
treats symptoms and never address root causes of disease. Modern Big
Pharma medicine sells drugs. These drugs have side effects. These drugs
cause imbalance to the body and inhibit the healing process. These drugs
cause the body to act and react in an unnatural fashion.
    Natural, non-drug, non-surgical approaches to medicine are a threat
to the profits of big pharma medicine. They are also a threat to the
over refined and over processed food industry. Food that causes disease.
Note root causes a and b above. Fast food is engineered to cause
obesity, fat people eat more, raising the profits for fast food. Fast
food, like big pharma, are in it for the money.

What else?

Obesity also cascades
into more diseases, diabetes, etc... Big Pharma profits from fast food
engineered to make people obese. Natural, non-drug and non-surgical
approaches to medicine ween people away from fast food and drugs. This
is why...
This is why we have people blogging this
and other newsgroups! They try to discredit and turn threads, meaningful
important threads of information into bickering and name calling. They
don't want the people to know the truth about fast food, drugs, and the
natural approach to medicine. They don't want people to know about the
four root causes of disease, they don't want people to realize that
drugs treat only symptoms and are unnatural compounds that destroy cells
and have harmful side effects. They don't want people to realize that
the food supply has been corrupted and that the water supply has become
a waste disposal system for the chemical fertilizer companies.

Where is your proof? Why aren't we all sick?

    Fast food and big pharma, their only concern is to make you buy a
hamburger and a drug to counteract the adverse effects of the burger.

No one can take away my hamburgers. Yum Yum. What drug is that?

Whether you live or die is irrelevent, as long as they got a dollar or
two from you before you croaked!
    I know there will be responses from the big pharma bloggers to this
thread, I expect it. The four root causes and the exposure of them
treating symptoms and curing nothing really scares them. They stand to
lose money here. Alot of money. The choice
is simple, my friends. Health freedom, to choose your own medical
treatment or being a slave to drugs. How many drugs do you have to take
everyday for the rest of your life? How much do they cost? Do you have
the right Medicare coverage? Do you have insurance? All of these
concerns are an illusion! A delusion! You get my drift here. All of this
drugging of the American people is needless and is destroying this
country! Snap out of this delusion! Find a good alternative doctor, that
knows natural medicine, that uses no drugs or surgery! They know how to
get your body off of the drugs you don't need!

Who will decide what drugs you don't need?

Please see a good natural doctor before
you go off of any drug, they are powerful compounds that throw the body
out of balance and to act unnaturally, and going off of them without
supervision can be deadly. Seriously, if you plan to stop taking any
drug, see a medical practitioner that is knowledgeable in the area of
taking people off of drugs. These doctors are on the internet. look for
them.

Great advice. Find your doctor on the Internet !!

    Inform yourself. Read Trudeau, read Mercola, read Linus
Pauling...read, read, read! If you disagree with their concepts, fine,
but read them for yourself, don't take the skeptics of this world word
for it. Because you will have no freedom to choose if you should do so!
The bloggers will try to confuse you, they will try and pick apart my
arguements, this is expected. Bring it on...:)
I am a christian, not a scientologist.

You are also teaching people poor health by referring them to salesmen like
jailbird Trudeau and cookware and light bulb salesman Mercola.

Robert
whrlwnd2@webtv.net - 23 Jun 2007 17:09 GMT
Addressing root cause, whether its toxic overload, poor nutrition,
electromagnetic chaos, or stress,is the foundation of naturopathic
medicine. Allopaths sign scripts to coverup symptoms only. Root cause is
never addressed by allopaths. Why the headace? Why the belly ache? Why
the joint pain? Allopaths have a pill for each of those symptoms. The
naturopath will actually try and answer the questions and come up with
countermeasures to address root cause. You don't have to give up
hamburgers, just find organic beef! The antibiotics and growth hormones
in Walmart meat are not neccessary in your diet and have adverse effects
on the body. That is unless you are tying to grow boobs or something,
but I don't want to know about that.
 Allopaths don't address candida overgrowth either, because it is a
root cause of alot of diseases. This is one of the things naturopaths
look for, candida overgrowth can back up into the bloodstream and kill
you. It can damage your liver and kidneys, your heart and lungs.
Allopaths don't look for it and don't treat it. Wait, I take that back,
they may give you a cream if your genitals itch, but that is only a
topical and symptomatic treatment.
  Robert, you will have to argue with better arguements than what you
posted. One sentence responses, jabs, and personal attacks detract from
my post. I would like to keep this thread on track.
  As for Trudeau and Mercola, if you haven't read anything from either
of these two gentlemen you are cheating yourself. Read them for youself
before you base any opinion. If you take quackwatches word for it you
are being mislead.
Robert - 26 Jun 2007 02:27 GMT
>   Addressing root cause, whether its toxic overload, poor nutrition,
> electromagnetic chaos, or stress,is the foundation of naturopathic
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> before you base any opinion. If you take quackwatches word for it you
> are being mislead.

Anyone who believes the garbage salesmen Trudeau and Mercola write,  has no
credibility.

Trudeau says that you will cure MS by not drinking diet sodas and cure
Diabetes by not eating in fast food restaurants for 3 weeks! This is totally
ridiculous to anyone who knows anything about health. If these guys are your
heroes, I suggest you look for someone else.

Robert
Vernono O - 26 Jun 2007 03:31 GMT
>>   Addressing root cause, whether its toxic overload, poor nutrition,
>> electromagnetic chaos, or stress,is the foundation of naturopathic
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> Robert

A problem is that there are the sugar and pop pigs that would lose all
symptoms of diabetes or MS if they did as dingbat suggests.
The BIG point is the definition of "CURE".
Enough of these people exist that there are plenty of testimonials.
Robert - 27 Jun 2007 03:02 GMT
> >>   Addressing root cause, whether its toxic overload, poor nutrition,
> >> electromagnetic chaos, or stress,is the foundation of naturopathic
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
> The BIG point is the definition of "CURE".
> Enough of these people exist that there are plenty of testimonials.

I cannot believe you would make a statement like that in public. The first
sentence is totally ridiculous. Maybe you are a troll. At least you admit he
is a dingbat.

Robert
Vernono O - 27 Jun 2007 15:46 GMT
>> >>   Addressing root cause, whether its toxic overload, poor nutrition,
>> >> electromagnetic chaos, or stress,is the foundation of naturopathic
[quoted text clipped - 54 lines]
>
> Robert

It falls in the same category as most faith healers.  Like it or not, many
have remission.  Many? One in a thousand, if from a million is many, many.
Like it or not, without prescription drugs, many would be much healthier if
they cut sugar and pop.
Like it or mot, many traditional Doctors tell their patients to knock off
the sugar and pop.
It's been said that many Doctors tell alcoholics to stop drinking alcohol
and give no prescriptions.  WOW
Robert - 28 Jun 2007 05:14 GMT
> >> >>   Addressing root cause, whether its toxic overload, poor nutrition,
> >> >> electromagnetic chaos, or stress,is the foundation of naturopathic
[quoted text clipped - 65 lines]
>
> In other words, you can't answer me.
drceephd@insightbb.com - 26 Jun 2007 21:55 GMT
> <whrlw...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> root causes: a). Toxic overload, b). poor nutrition, c).electromagnetic
> chaos, and/or d). stress. There are no other root causes for disease!

The root cause of all dis-ease is TOXEMIA.  Period.

The formation of toxemia is enervation which can be caused by your
four causes.

However, you really, really need to learn that disease is not caught.
The germ theory of disease is false.  Pasteur was a con artist and
liar.  Vaccines and immunizations are a total lie and deceit.

All health and all disease ( dis-ease ) comes from within the body
with the exception of poisons like medicines and vaccines.

Keep reading about Orthopathy.  Especially read the work of A.
Be'champ.  This genius of the 19th century really needs to be better
known and appreciated for all the knowledge and information that he
provided us.

DrCee
whrlwnd2@webtv.net - 28 Jun 2007 02:57 GMT
Dr Cee wrote:

The root cause of all dis-ease is TOXEMIA. Period.
The formation of toxemia is enervation which can be caused by your four
causes.
However, you really, really need to learn that disease is not caught.
The germ theory of disease is false. Pasteur was a con artist and liar.
Vaccines and immunizations are a total lie and deceit.
All health and all disease ( dis-ease ) comes from within the body with
the exception of poisons like medicines and vaccines.
Keep reading about Orthopathy. Especially read the work of A. Be'champ.
This genius of the 19th century really needs to be better known and
appreciated for all the knowledge and information that he provided us.
DrCee

My response: How can anyone subscribe to the notion that germs don't
exist? It is like saying the world is flat. There are bacteria, viruses,
and fungi, that KILL people. Salmonella is a bacteria that many people
"catch" from eating spoiled chicken or soured milk. Candida Albicans is
a fungus that lives in the bowels, if it's balance with acidophilis and
the other flora of the intestines is disturbed it can grow haywire and
can cause serious conditions, it can kill if it backs up into the blood
stream. Usually the imbalance is caused from antibiotics or heavy
consumption of alcohol. Ebola is a virus that has errupted in Africa on
more than one occasion and is so deadly it kills it's victims so fast it
can't spread very far. The cell membranes are broke down by this virus,
otherwise known as hemhorragic fever, and the cells burst.
  I do, though, agree with you about vaccines, I think they are
dirrectly related to the spread of autism, which did not exist, prior to
vaccinations. I also agree with you that medicines are poisonous, ie.
unnatural compounds which cause the body to react unnaturally. Drugs,
prescription and non-prescription, when used as directed, are the fourth
leading cause of death in America! This is per JAMA!
  If you state that, "The formation of toxemia is enervation which can
be caused by your four causes." Then, by your statement, enervation
isn't the root cause, one of the four I present is.
 I must dissagree with you about Trudeau, you stated in another segment
of this thread that he is "fluff" without "stuff". For an "alty", as
David, would  call us, I am suspicious of you as being a provocateur,
one who is out to discredit alternative or natural medicine by being way
out there and claiming the name of "alty". Claiming that germs don't
exist and blasting Trudeau makes you appear, to me anyway, as a
provocateur. Trudeau has really raised awareness and suspicion of big
pharma. He is doing a good thing.
David Wright - 30 Jun 2007 20:54 GMT
>Dr Cee wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>exist? It is like saying the world is flat. There are bacteria, viruses,
>and fungi, that KILL people.

Oh, "Dr" Cee is quite serious.  However, you are misunderstanding his
nutball claims.  He doesn't say that there are no such things as
bacteria, etc.  He just says that they have nothing to do with causing
disease.  He can't figure out how they could get into the body,
therefore they don't.

(Hey, I'm just the messenger.)

>   I do, though, agree with you about vaccines, I think they are
>dirrectly related to the spread of autism, which did not exist, prior to
>vaccinations.

You are completely wrong.  It did exist, it just hadn't been given a
separate name.  Ever heard of "changelings?"  Those were obviously
autistic kids.

>  I must dissagree with you about Trudeau, you stated in another segment
>of this thread that he is "fluff" without "stuff". For an "alty", as
>David, would  call us, I am suspicious of you as being a provocateur,

No, he's a nut.  Entirely different species.

>one who is out to discredit alternative or natural medicine by being way
>out there and claiming the name of "alty". Claiming that germs don't
>exist and blasting Trudeau makes you appear, to me anyway, as a
>provocateur. Trudeau has really raised awareness and suspicion of big
>pharma. He is doing a good thing.

For all the wrong reasons.  He's not a good guy.  Indeed, it's quite
debatable that he's even doing a good thing.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "Only George Bush could start a war for oil and not get any."
                                         -- Bill Maher
David Wright - 28 Jun 2007 04:58 GMT
>> <whrlw...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>The root cause of all dis-ease is TOXEMIA.  Period.

Hahahaha.  Of course, dear old Cee will never tell us what all those
toxins are that cause such a wide variety of symptoms.

>The formation of toxemia is enervation which can be caused by your
>four causes.

Another undefined term.

>However, you really, really need to learn that disease is not caught.
>The germ theory of disease is false.  Pasteur was a con artist and
>liar.  Vaccines and immunizations are a total lie and deceit.

And all those diseases just went away spontaneously.

Not.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "Only George Bush could start a war for oil and not get any."
                                         -- Bill Maher
David Wright - 29 Jun 2007 05:11 GMT
>A natural approach to medicine  
>  
>     The Body heals itself. Disease is either a). caught, or b).
>developed over time. All Disease falls into one or a combination of four
>root causes: a). Toxic overload, b). poor nutrition, c).electromagnetic
>chaos, and/or d). stress. There are no other root causes for disease!

One hardly knows where to start on this one.  What the @#$% is
"electromagnetic chaos?"  That's a good place to start.  It's two
words glued together.  Both words have meaning separately.  Gluing
them together does not automatically lead to a meaningful result.

There are such things as toxic overloads and stress.  Both are bad for
you.  Poor nutrition is also bad for you.

But to say that these are the *only* causes of disease is just silly.
Which one covers sickle-cell anemia?  How about Tay-Sachs disease?

Where do diseases like chickenpox, measles, or mumps fall in this
hierarchy?  Looks like they'd have to be "toxic overload."  OK, what
toxins are we talking about here?

>     The body heals itself. Addressing the root causes aids the healing
>process of the body. neglecting the root causes inhibit healing and
>promote disease.
>          The body heals itself. Modern medicine
>treats symptoms and never address root causes of disease.

A popular myth.  Quite wrong, but a popular myth.

> Modern Big
>Pharma medicine sells drugs. These drugs have side effects. These drugs
>cause imbalance to the body and inhibit the healing process. These drugs
>cause the body to act and react in an unnatural fashion.

Yeah, antibiotics keep you from doing the natural thing, which is to
die of infection.  How dreadful that is!

<skip silly conflating of big pharma with the food industry>

>          This is why we have people blogging this
>and other newsgroups!

You can't "blog a newsgroup."  That doesn't even make sense.

>     Inform yourself. Read Trudeau, read Mercola, read Linus
>Pauling...read, read, read! If you disagree with their concepts, fine,

Trudeau the convicted criminal, Mercola the purveyor of everything
from sense to crap, and Linus Pauling, who was a great chemist but not
a great medical researcher.  Heaven help us.

>          I am a christian, not a scientologist. I
>believe GOD made our bodies to function a certain way and manmade drugs
>cause imbalance to this function. The body heals itself. And when things
>come beyond repair naturally, GOD can heal supernaturally.

Sure.  That's why prayers always cause people to get better, right?

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "Only George Bush could start a war for oil and not get any."
                                         -- Bill Maher
 
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