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The Ganja Protocol

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Pakalolo - 17 Jun 2007 13:17 GMT
Crazy, but true. New recommendations for the tratment of Autism
include marijuana.
However, tongue planted firmly in cheek, mary jane might be a good
idea when you consider what some of the DAN! kids go through
everyday.
After all, who wouldn't enjoy a doobie after getting your butt stuck
with injectible vitamins, having to sit inside a toy balloon, getting
sweaty in a sauna, eating rock hard GFCF food, taking your 40 pills of
herbs and vitamins from Kirkman's everyday, sitting through hours of
ABA, getting intravenous glutathione, having nasty sulfur smelling
creams applied to your body, having all the minerals stripped out of
your body from chelation, cranio-sacral therapy, getting your blood
drawn to send off to suspect labs, and having to listen to your
parents whine about how tough you made their lives and all they are
doing for you to make you acceptable.

http://club-cannabis.blogspot.com/2007/06/ganja-protocol.html
Early Spring - 17 Jun 2007 16:34 GMT
> Crazy, but true. New recommendations for the tratment of Autism
> include marijuana.
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>
> http://club-cannabis.blogspot.com/2007/06/ganja-protocol.html

We will find a cure yet!  ;)
RafaMinu - 18 Jun 2007 08:41 GMT
> Crazy, but true. New recommendations for the tratment of Autism
> include marijuana.
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>
> http://club-cannabis.blogspot.com/2007/06/ganja-protocol.html

MSNBC's Keith Olbermann interviews a physician and pediatrician from
the University of Southern California who explains how medical
cannabis can be used to treat ADD in children:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj72e5q61Fs
Arak - 18 Jun 2007 15:00 GMT
> Crazy, but true. New recommendations for the tratment of Autism
> include marijuana.
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> parents whine about how tough you made their lives and all they are
> doing for you to make you acceptable.

Yup...after all that, it would difintely be "Miller Time"...or time to
smoke a jay.

>From my own personal experience with weed back in my teen years, all
it did was make my senses even more heightened and make me even more
paranoid (and hungry!).

It's not the same for all, of course.

Arak /|\
RafaMinu - 18 Jun 2007 15:40 GMT
> > Crazy, but true. New recommendations for the tratment of Autism
> > include marijuana.
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>
> It's not the same for all, of course.

I think they're talking about medical uses of Cannabis, not
recreational.

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Scientists studying marijuana's potential medical uses have found that
it may help treat a variety of conditions.

Nausea
One of THC's medical uses best supported by research is the treatment
of nausea. It can improve mild to moderate nausea caused by cancer
chemotherapy and help reduce nausea and weight loss in people with
AIDS.

Younger people may find marijuana more useful as a treatment for
nausea than do older people - who may not tolerate its mind-altering
side effects as well. The prescription form, dronabinol, also may
produce psychological side effects that make it inappropriate for some
older people. Doctors generally prescribe several kinds of newer anti-
nausea drugs with fewer side effects before resorting to dronabinol.

Glaucoma
This disease - the third-leading cause of blindness in the United
States - is marked by increased pressure in the eyeball, which can
lead to vision loss.

In the early 1970s, scientists discovered that smoking marijuana
reduced pressure in the eyes. Exactly how the cannabinoids in
marijuana produce this effect isn't known. Scientists have discovered
CB1 receptors in the eyes, which may provide clues for future research
on how marijuana affects glaucoma.

Your doctor can prescribe other medications to treat glaucoma, but
these can lose their effectiveness over time. Researchers are working
to develop medications containing cannabinoids that can be put
directly on the eyes - to avoid the mind-altering side effects and
other health consequences of smoking the plant.

Pain
People widely used marijuana for pain relief in the 1800s, and several
studies have found that cannabinoids have analgesic effects. In fact,
THC may work as well in treating cancer pain as codeine, a mild pain
reliever. Cannabinoids also appear to enhance the effects of opiate
pain medications to provide pain relief at lower dosages.

Researchers currently are developing new medications based on cannabis
to treat pain.

Multiple sclerosis
Research results on the effectiveness of cannabinoids in the treatment
of the tremors, muscle spasms and pain of multiple sclerosis (MS) - a
disease of the nervous system that can cause muscle pain - are mixed.
A 2003 study found that cannabinoids significantly reduced pain in
people with multiple sclerosis.

Some scientists feel that more research may show cannabinoids useful
in treating MS. Marijuana may protect nerves from the kind of damage
that occurs during the disease. They also suggest that animal study
results, knowledge of CB1 receptors in the brain and users' reports of
decreased symptoms after using marijuana support this possibility.
However, others advise caution in using marijuana to treat MS, given
the modest therapeutic effects cannabinoids have demonstrated so far
and the potential of long-term adverse side effects.

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Not without risks

Though some doctors and patients suggest marijuana has a legitimate
use, the United States government disagrees. Federal law recognizes
marijuana as a Schedule I drug, which classifies it as one of "the
most dangerous drugs that have no recognized medical use." If law-
enforcement officers find you with the drug in your possession, the
penalty can range from a small fine to a prison sentence.

Along with the legal implications, smoking marijuana poses several
health risks, including:
Impairment of thinking, problem-solving skills and memory
Reduced balance and coordination
Increased risk of heart attack
Heightened risk of chronic cough and respiratory infections
Potential for hallucinations and withdrawal symptoms

Also, marijuana smoke contains 50 percent to 70 percent more
carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke and has the
potential to cause cancer of the lungs and respiratory tract.
Marijuana smoke is commonly inhaled deeper and held longer than is
tobacco smoke, increasing the lungs' exposure to carcinogens.

These risks should be taken into account when considering the use of
marijuana for medical purposes. If you are experiencing uncomfortable
symptoms or side effects of medical treatment, especially pain and
nausea, talk to your doctor about all your options before trying
marijuana.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/medical-marijuana/GA00014
Early Spring - 18 Jun 2007 16:01 GMT
> > Crazy, but true. New recommendations for the tratment of Autism
> > include marijuana.
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>
> Arak /|\

This is how I react to it as well, paranoid and hungry.  Fun times.
stasya - 18 Jun 2007 19:07 GMT
> > > Crazy, but true. New recommendations for the tratment of Autism
> > > include marijuana.
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>
> - Show quoted text -

This makes me wonder a bit. You guys who are autistic, are you also
control freakish? My 3 yo ds doesn't like things he can't control.
Which is not to say he's a dictator, he doesn't particularily care
what other people are doing, but he is very aware of what's happening
in his immediate environment and that he's in control. (He hates
swings, he's getting used to slides and merry-go-rounds though). In
relation to this thread, pot tends to send you out of control
mentally, which would probably spark off a paranoid streak. Pot is a
hard high to manage if you're the type that needs to manage.

Stasya
Terry Jones - 18 Jun 2007 19:36 GMT
>This makes me wonder a bit. You guys who are autistic, are you also
>control freakish? My 3 yo ds doesn't like things he can't control.
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>mentally, which would probably spark off a paranoid streak. Pot is a
>hard high to manage if you're the type that needs to manage.

Like many aspects of autism, the need for "control" isn't something
you can generalise about. (And indeed your own description shows that
"control" itself isn't one all-embracing thing. Perhaps is even the
wrong term for what's going on [that might make an interesting thread
for a.s.a]).

And (apart from the appetite effect, which seems to be quite common),
*is* it true that cannabis "tends to send you out of control"? From
what I've read it's described as having a more "mellow" effect than
alcohol, making people more relaxed and less prone to aggressive
behaviour. (Though recently there appears to be some concerns about
the "skunk" form.)

Plus (at least anecdotally), a fair number of older autistics consume
alcohol, which does reduce control in several areas - so again it
looks as if "control" isn't quite the right area to be looking at.
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stasya - 18 Jun 2007 22:17 GMT
> >This makes me wonder a bit. You guys who are autistic, are you also
> >control freakish? My 3 yo ds doesn't like things he can't control.
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>
> Terry

OK, personally, I *hate* a pot high. Possibly because I prefer an
alcohol buzz, because it makes me energetic. Pot brings me to a weird
spinny place that's right out of my head instead of simply hyper-
active like alcohol. I can manage a pissed up time much more easily
than a pot high. (ok that's enough of *my* bad habits....least the
ones I enjoy are legal, lol)

Stasya
Profesor Schönbein - 19 Jun 2007 12:09 GMT
> > > > Crazy, but true. New recommendations for the tratment of Autism
> > > > include marijuana.
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>
> Stasya

>From my own personal experience as an occasionally pot smoker and as a
person suffering from some kind of mild autism or attention disorder
(paranoia according to my friends, although I have always been this
way, since I was a small kid), Pot makes you get paranoid when you are
in a situation that involves too many people that you can't control
and that you're not sure you can trust.
A prime example would be getting on a crowded wagon in the Subway.
If you are with friends (real ones) that you like and trust and who
really care about you, then you actually have a great time.
You also have a great time on your own just reading a good book,
watching a good movie, listening to good music or surfing the
Internet.

I have also used Marijuana to relieve the pain from several back
operations I've been through, and for me it's far much better than any
other pain-relief medicament that I've tried.
And the side-effects are few or non-existent, as opposed to stomach
cramps, headaches, diarrhea, etc. from chemical pain-relievers.
Arak - 19 Jun 2007 15:29 GMT
> This makes me wonder a bit. You guys who are autistic, are you also
> control freakish? My 3 yo ds doesn't like things he can't control.
> Which is not to say he's a dictator, he doesn't particularily care
> what other people are doing, but he is very aware of what's happening
> in his immediate environment and that he's in control.

Hi Stasya,

Good question!  I am a bit 'control freakish' one might say.

I don't like to micromanage other people since they can do what they
do and I don't want to interfere with them.  The only thing I try to
keep a handle on is my situation and surroundings to the best of my
ability.  There are times, of course, when I can't control things and
I've learned to deal with that as best I can.  As a child, I was
always hyper aware of my surroundings...probably due to a heightened
sense of panic or "emergency" because of my sensory issues.  I suspect
your son is too.

Looking at it from the perspective of a three year old autistic:

When you live a life where you feel so not in control of your life
thanks to sensory issues, possible digestive issues,  people
completely and utterly writing you off or misinterpreting you, people
forcing you for 40 hours a week to be something you're not (for those
kiddies in ABA/IBI type situations)...wouldn't you be trying to take
control of whatever you can in your life?

It's already hard enough being a three year old kid with out the added
'bonuses' of being autistic in a society that just doesn't get it
yet...

(just a exercise in empathy or "theory of mind" for all people in
general - not a stab at you)

> In
> relation to this thread, pot tends to send you out of control
> mentally, which would probably spark off a paranoid streak. Pot is a
> hard high to manage if you're the type that needs to manage.

That's probably why I didn't like it. (recreation or
medicinal...smoking weed is smoking weed and I never did very much
because I just didn't like it)  It brought on feelings within me that
I couldn't control and I did not like; particularly the paranoia.  My
stomach felt better but that was about it.  Not worth the panic just
for a hungry tummy!

I never could figure out why my friends were so mellow and I was so on
edge.  Like many things, it didn't have the "normal" effect on me.

Any high is hard for me to manage, which is why I'm not fond of
drinking either.  Medications also tend to bring our wierd reactions
too.  (Although I do like a tiny bit of port with a little brandy in
it...I find it relaxing in very tiny doses since I am sensitive.)

Arak /|\
Pakalolo - 19 Jun 2007 20:06 GMT
> > This makes me wonder a bit. You guys who are autistic, are you also
> > control freakish? My 3 yo ds doesn't like things he can't control.
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> I never could figure out why my friends were so mellow and I was so on
> edge.  Like many things, it didn't have the "normal" effect on me.
Same thing happened to me, but only with certain guys.
Later on in Life they have revealed themselves to be real pricks, with
no respect for other people's lives (including friends) if there was
money involved.

> Any high is hard for me to manage, which is why I'm not fond of
> drinking either.  Medications also tend to bring our wierd reactions
> too.  (Although I do like a tiny bit of port with a little brandy in
> it...I find it relaxing in very tiny doses since I am sensitive.)
One beer and I am completely drunk.
Two, I go to sleep ...
Chris - 29 Jun 2007 17:11 GMT
I've never done pot or any other drug. I do drink alcohol now, but it's rare
and I limit it because I don't want to be out of  control

--
"Being *able* to do something does not automatically imply that it is easy
or undemanding." - Terry
ASA FAQ: http://www.mugsy.org/asa_faq/
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> > > > Crazy, but true. New recommendations for the tratment of Autism
> > > > include marijuana.
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>
> Stasya

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