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The Ganja Protocol
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Pakalolo - 17 Jun 2007 13:17 GMT Crazy, but true. New recommendations for the tratment of Autism include marijuana. However, tongue planted firmly in cheek, mary jane might be a good idea when you consider what some of the DAN! kids go through everyday. After all, who wouldn't enjoy a doobie after getting your butt stuck with injectible vitamins, having to sit inside a toy balloon, getting sweaty in a sauna, eating rock hard GFCF food, taking your 40 pills of herbs and vitamins from Kirkman's everyday, sitting through hours of ABA, getting intravenous glutathione, having nasty sulfur smelling creams applied to your body, having all the minerals stripped out of your body from chelation, cranio-sacral therapy, getting your blood drawn to send off to suspect labs, and having to listen to your parents whine about how tough you made their lives and all they are doing for you to make you acceptable.
http://club-cannabis.blogspot.com/2007/06/ganja-protocol.html
Early Spring - 17 Jun 2007 16:34 GMT > Crazy, but true. New recommendations for the tratment of Autism > include marijuana. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > http://club-cannabis.blogspot.com/2007/06/ganja-protocol.html We will find a cure yet! ;)
RafaMinu - 18 Jun 2007 08:41 GMT > Crazy, but true. New recommendations for the tratment of Autism > include marijuana. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > http://club-cannabis.blogspot.com/2007/06/ganja-protocol.html MSNBC's Keith Olbermann interviews a physician and pediatrician from the University of Southern California who explains how medical cannabis can be used to treat ADD in children: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj72e5q61Fs
Arak - 18 Jun 2007 15:00 GMT > Crazy, but true. New recommendations for the tratment of Autism > include marijuana. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > parents whine about how tough you made their lives and all they are > doing for you to make you acceptable. Yup...after all that, it would difintely be "Miller Time"...or time to smoke a jay.
>From my own personal experience with weed back in my teen years, all it did was make my senses even more heightened and make me even more paranoid (and hungry!).
It's not the same for all, of course.
Arak /|\
RafaMinu - 18 Jun 2007 15:40 GMT > > Crazy, but true. New recommendations for the tratment of Autism > > include marijuana. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > It's not the same for all, of course. I think they're talking about medical uses of Cannabis, not recreational.
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Scientists studying marijuana's potential medical uses have found that it may help treat a variety of conditions.
Nausea One of THC's medical uses best supported by research is the treatment of nausea. It can improve mild to moderate nausea caused by cancer chemotherapy and help reduce nausea and weight loss in people with AIDS.
Younger people may find marijuana more useful as a treatment for nausea than do older people - who may not tolerate its mind-altering side effects as well. The prescription form, dronabinol, also may produce psychological side effects that make it inappropriate for some older people. Doctors generally prescribe several kinds of newer anti- nausea drugs with fewer side effects before resorting to dronabinol.
Glaucoma This disease - the third-leading cause of blindness in the United States - is marked by increased pressure in the eyeball, which can lead to vision loss.
In the early 1970s, scientists discovered that smoking marijuana reduced pressure in the eyes. Exactly how the cannabinoids in marijuana produce this effect isn't known. Scientists have discovered CB1 receptors in the eyes, which may provide clues for future research on how marijuana affects glaucoma.
Your doctor can prescribe other medications to treat glaucoma, but these can lose their effectiveness over time. Researchers are working to develop medications containing cannabinoids that can be put directly on the eyes - to avoid the mind-altering side effects and other health consequences of smoking the plant.
Pain People widely used marijuana for pain relief in the 1800s, and several studies have found that cannabinoids have analgesic effects. In fact, THC may work as well in treating cancer pain as codeine, a mild pain reliever. Cannabinoids also appear to enhance the effects of opiate pain medications to provide pain relief at lower dosages.
Researchers currently are developing new medications based on cannabis to treat pain.
Multiple sclerosis Research results on the effectiveness of cannabinoids in the treatment of the tremors, muscle spasms and pain of multiple sclerosis (MS) - a disease of the nervous system that can cause muscle pain - are mixed. A 2003 study found that cannabinoids significantly reduced pain in people with multiple sclerosis.
Some scientists feel that more research may show cannabinoids useful in treating MS. Marijuana may protect nerves from the kind of damage that occurs during the disease. They also suggest that animal study results, knowledge of CB1 receptors in the brain and users' reports of decreased symptoms after using marijuana support this possibility. However, others advise caution in using marijuana to treat MS, given the modest therapeutic effects cannabinoids have demonstrated so far and the potential of long-term adverse side effects.
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Not without risks
Though some doctors and patients suggest marijuana has a legitimate use, the United States government disagrees. Federal law recognizes marijuana as a Schedule I drug, which classifies it as one of "the most dangerous drugs that have no recognized medical use." If law- enforcement officers find you with the drug in your possession, the penalty can range from a small fine to a prison sentence.
Along with the legal implications, smoking marijuana poses several health risks, including: Impairment of thinking, problem-solving skills and memory Reduced balance and coordination Increased risk of heart attack Heightened risk of chronic cough and respiratory infections Potential for hallucinations and withdrawal symptoms
Also, marijuana smoke contains 50 percent to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke and has the potential to cause cancer of the lungs and respiratory tract. Marijuana smoke is commonly inhaled deeper and held longer than is tobacco smoke, increasing the lungs' exposure to carcinogens.
These risks should be taken into account when considering the use of marijuana for medical purposes. If you are experiencing uncomfortable symptoms or side effects of medical treatment, especially pain and nausea, talk to your doctor about all your options before trying marijuana.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/medical-marijuana/GA00014
Early Spring - 18 Jun 2007 16:01 GMT > > Crazy, but true. New recommendations for the tratment of Autism > > include marijuana. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Arak /|\ This is how I react to it as well, paranoid and hungry. Fun times.
stasya - 18 Jun 2007 19:07 GMT > > > Crazy, but true. New recommendations for the tratment of Autism > > > include marijuana. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > - Show quoted text - This makes me wonder a bit. You guys who are autistic, are you also control freakish? My 3 yo ds doesn't like things he can't control. Which is not to say he's a dictator, he doesn't particularily care what other people are doing, but he is very aware of what's happening in his immediate environment and that he's in control. (He hates swings, he's getting used to slides and merry-go-rounds though). In relation to this thread, pot tends to send you out of control mentally, which would probably spark off a paranoid streak. Pot is a hard high to manage if you're the type that needs to manage.
Stasya
Terry Jones - 18 Jun 2007 19:36 GMT >This makes me wonder a bit. You guys who are autistic, are you also >control freakish? My 3 yo ds doesn't like things he can't control. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >mentally, which would probably spark off a paranoid streak. Pot is a >hard high to manage if you're the type that needs to manage. Like many aspects of autism, the need for "control" isn't something you can generalise about. (And indeed your own description shows that "control" itself isn't one all-embracing thing. Perhaps is even the wrong term for what's going on [that might make an interesting thread for a.s.a]).
And (apart from the appetite effect, which seems to be quite common), *is* it true that cannabis "tends to send you out of control"? From what I've read it's described as having a more "mellow" effect than alcohol, making people more relaxed and less prone to aggressive behaviour. (Though recently there appears to be some concerns about the "skunk" form.)
Plus (at least anecdotally), a fair number of older autistics consume alcohol, which does reduce control in several areas - so again it looks as if "control" isn't quite the right area to be looking at.
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stasya - 18 Jun 2007 22:17 GMT > >This makes me wonder a bit. You guys who are autistic, are you also > >control freakish? My 3 yo ds doesn't like things he can't control. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Terry OK, personally, I *hate* a pot high. Possibly because I prefer an alcohol buzz, because it makes me energetic. Pot brings me to a weird spinny place that's right out of my head instead of simply hyper- active like alcohol. I can manage a pissed up time much more easily than a pot high. (ok that's enough of *my* bad habits....least the ones I enjoy are legal, lol)
Stasya
Profesor Schönbein - 19 Jun 2007 12:09 GMT > > > > Crazy, but true. New recommendations for the tratment of Autism > > > > include marijuana. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Stasya
>From my own personal experience as an occasionally pot smoker and as a person suffering from some kind of mild autism or attention disorder (paranoia according to my friends, although I have always been this way, since I was a small kid), Pot makes you get paranoid when you are in a situation that involves too many people that you can't control and that you're not sure you can trust. A prime example would be getting on a crowded wagon in the Subway. If you are with friends (real ones) that you like and trust and who really care about you, then you actually have a great time. You also have a great time on your own just reading a good book, watching a good movie, listening to good music or surfing the Internet.
I have also used Marijuana to relieve the pain from several back operations I've been through, and for me it's far much better than any other pain-relief medicament that I've tried. And the side-effects are few or non-existent, as opposed to stomach cramps, headaches, diarrhea, etc. from chemical pain-relievers.
Arak - 19 Jun 2007 15:29 GMT > This makes me wonder a bit. You guys who are autistic, are you also > control freakish? My 3 yo ds doesn't like things he can't control. > Which is not to say he's a dictator, he doesn't particularily care > what other people are doing, but he is very aware of what's happening > in his immediate environment and that he's in control. Hi Stasya,
Good question! I am a bit 'control freakish' one might say.
I don't like to micromanage other people since they can do what they do and I don't want to interfere with them. The only thing I try to keep a handle on is my situation and surroundings to the best of my ability. There are times, of course, when I can't control things and I've learned to deal with that as best I can. As a child, I was always hyper aware of my surroundings...probably due to a heightened sense of panic or "emergency" because of my sensory issues. I suspect your son is too.
Looking at it from the perspective of a three year old autistic:
When you live a life where you feel so not in control of your life thanks to sensory issues, possible digestive issues, people completely and utterly writing you off or misinterpreting you, people forcing you for 40 hours a week to be something you're not (for those kiddies in ABA/IBI type situations)...wouldn't you be trying to take control of whatever you can in your life?
It's already hard enough being a three year old kid with out the added 'bonuses' of being autistic in a society that just doesn't get it yet...
(just a exercise in empathy or "theory of mind" for all people in general - not a stab at you)
> In > relation to this thread, pot tends to send you out of control > mentally, which would probably spark off a paranoid streak. Pot is a > hard high to manage if you're the type that needs to manage. That's probably why I didn't like it. (recreation or medicinal...smoking weed is smoking weed and I never did very much because I just didn't like it) It brought on feelings within me that I couldn't control and I did not like; particularly the paranoia. My stomach felt better but that was about it. Not worth the panic just for a hungry tummy!
I never could figure out why my friends were so mellow and I was so on edge. Like many things, it didn't have the "normal" effect on me.
Any high is hard for me to manage, which is why I'm not fond of drinking either. Medications also tend to bring our wierd reactions too. (Although I do like a tiny bit of port with a little brandy in it...I find it relaxing in very tiny doses since I am sensitive.)
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Pakalolo - 19 Jun 2007 20:06 GMT > > This makes me wonder a bit. You guys who are autistic, are you also > > control freakish? My 3 yo ds doesn't like things he can't control. [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > I never could figure out why my friends were so mellow and I was so on > edge. Like many things, it didn't have the "normal" effect on me. Same thing happened to me, but only with certain guys. Later on in Life they have revealed themselves to be real pricks, with no respect for other people's lives (including friends) if there was money involved.
> Any high is hard for me to manage, which is why I'm not fond of > drinking either. Medications also tend to bring our wierd reactions > too. (Although I do like a tiny bit of port with a little brandy in > it...I find it relaxing in very tiny doses since I am sensitive.) One beer and I am completely drunk. Two, I go to sleep ...
Chris - 29 Jun 2007 17:11 GMT I've never done pot or any other drug. I do drink alcohol now, but it's rare and I limit it because I don't want to be out of control
-- "Being *able* to do something does not automatically imply that it is easy or undemanding." - Terry ASA FAQ: http://www.mugsy.org/asa_faq/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > Crazy, but true. New recommendations for the tratment of Autism > > > > include marijuana. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Stasya
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