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Red Meat Linked To Breast Cancer
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Roman Bystrianyk - 09 Apr 2007 13:41 GMT "Red Meat Linked To Breast Cancer", Science Daily, April 8, 2007, Link: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070407174018.htm
Eating red meat increases a woman's chance of developing breast cancer, according to new research from the University of Leeds.
The findings are most striking for post-menopausal women - those with the highest intake of red meat, the equivalent to one portion a day (more than 57 grams) - run a 56 per cent greater risk of breast cancer than those who eat none.
Women who eat the most processed meat, such as bacon, sausages, ham or pies, run a 64 per cent greater risk of breast cancer than those who eat none.
Researchers at the University's Centre for Epidemiology and Biostatistics have been tracking the eating habits and health of more than 35,000 women for the past seven years, and their latest findings are published in the British Journal of Cancer. Earlier findings, widely reported in January, showed that pre-menopausal women who have the greatest intake of fibre have cut their risk of breast cancer in half.
I.P. Freely - 09 Apr 2007 16:11 GMT Tip of an iceberg? Read Campbell's "The China Study". It describes the largest, most authoritative, peer-reviewed nutrition study ever performed, which blames cancer squarely on consumption of all animal proteins, including dairy and -- I think; I haven't finished it yet -- fish. Just the opening pages are rather astounding in terms of credentials and claims.
I.P.
Matti Narkia - 09 Apr 2007 22:32 GMT >Tip of an iceberg? Read Campbell's "The China Study". It describes the >largest, most authoritative, peer-reviewed nutrition study ever >performed, which blames cancer squarely on consumption of all animal >proteins, including dairy and -- I think; I haven't finished it yet -- >fish. Just the opening pages are rather astounding in terms of >credentials and claims. I don't eat read meat, but I think that Campbell has an agenda and a strong bias. I'm not too impressed by his methodology either.
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Matti Narkia - 10 Apr 2007 02:14 GMT >>Tip of an iceberg? Read Campbell's "The China Study". It describes the >>largest, most authoritative, peer-reviewed nutrition study ever [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I don't eat read meat, but I think that Campbell has an agenda and a >strong bias. I'm not too impressed by his methodology either. T. Colin Campbell is a vegan activist and an Advisory Board Member in "The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine" (PCRM), which "is a fanatical animal rights group that seeks to remove eggs, milk, meat, and seafood from the American diet, and to eliminate the use of animals in scientific research. Despite its operational and financial ties to other animal activist groups and its close relationship with violent zealots, PCRM has successfully duped the media and much of the general public into believing that its pronouncements about the superiority of vegetarian-only diets represent the opinion of the medical community" (a quotation from <http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/23>).
I have some reservations about westonaprice.org website and have looked at it somewhat critically at times, but to get a different perspective about Campbell's work it's probably a good idea to read the review
Thumbs Down Review: The China Study: Startling Implications for Diet, Weight Loss, and Long-Term Health By T. Colin Campbell BenBella Books Review By Chris Masterjohn <http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/chinastudy.html>
Some information about Campbell:
T. Colin Campbell Biography <http://www.activistcash.com/biography.cfm/bid/1501>
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Matti Narkia - 10 Apr 2007 02:20 GMT >>>Tip of an iceberg? Read Campbell's "The China Study". It describes the >>>largest, most authoritative, peer-reviewed nutrition study ever [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >Review By Chris Masterjohn ><http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/chinastudy.html> This review is available also on the page
The Truth About the China Study <http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html>
which additionally has links to Dr. Campbell's response to this review and to Chris Masterjohn's response to Dr. Campbell.
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Matti Narkia - 10 Apr 2007 12:49 GMT >>>>Tip of an iceberg? Read Campbell's "The China Study". It describes the >>>>largest, most authoritative, peer-reviewed nutrition study ever [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >which additionally has links to Dr. Campbell's response to this review >and to Chris Masterjohn's response to Dr. Campbell. As for the healthiness of vegan diet, see the study
Key TJ, Fraser GE, Thorogood M, Appleby PN, Beral V, Reeves G, Burr ML, Chang-Claude J, Frentzel-Beyme R, Kuzma JW, Mann J, McPherson K. Mortality in vegetarians and nonvegetarians: detailed findings from a collaborative analysis of 5 prospective studies. Am J Clin Nutr. 1999 Sep;70(3 Suppl):516S-524S. <http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/70/3/516S>
which investigated the mortality in people following five different types of diet: regular meat-eaters, occasional meat-eaters, fish-eaters, lactoovovegatarians and vegans. The study found no statistically significant differences between groups in mortality from various cancers, but in all-causes mortality the fish-eaters and lactoovovegetarians fared statistically significantly better than vegans and regular meat-eaters. Below the abstract of this study:
"We combined data from 5 prospective studies to compare the death rates from common diseases of vegetarians with those of nonvegetarians with similar lifestyles. A summary of these results was reported previously; we report here more details of the findings. Data for 76172 men and women were available. Vegetarians were those who did not eat any meat or fish (n = 27808). Death rate ratios at ages 16-89 y were calculated by Poisson regression and all results were adjusted for age, sex, and smoking status. A random- effects model was used to calculate pooled estimates of effect for all studies combined. There were 8330 deaths after a mean of 10.6 y of follow-up. Mortality from ischemic heart disease was 24% lower in vegetarians than in nonvegetarians (death rate ratio: 0.76; 95% CI: 0.62, 0.94; P < 0.01). The lower mortality from ischemic heart disease among vegetarians was greater at younger ages and was restricted to those who had followed their current diet for >5 y. Further categorization of diets showed that, in comparison with regular meat eaters, mortality from ischemic heart disease was 20% lower in occasional meat eaters, 34% lower in people who ate fish but not meat, 34% lower in lactoovovegetarians, and 26% lower in vegans. There were no significant differences between vegetarians and nonvegetarians in mortality from cerebrovascular disease, stomach cancer, colorectal cancer, lung cancer, breast cancer, prostate cancer, or all other causes combined."
See also
TABLE 7. All-studies death rate ratios and 95% CIs and the number of deaths by diet category <http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content-nw/full/70/3/516S/T7>
from which we see that the all-causes death rate ratios for regular meat-eaters, occasional meat-eaters, fish-eaters, lactoovovegatarians and vegans were 1.00, 0.84, 0.82, 0.84, and 1.00, respectively, when compared with regular meat-eaters. The table also gives 95% confidence limits for these ratios.
Michael Greger, M.D. and a vegan, is concerned about the healthiness of vegan diet, and writes about it in the article
Maximizing Vegetarian Nutrition by Michael Greger, M.D. <http://vegnews.org/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=121>
as follows:
"August of this year, the BBC reported that the British Advertising Standards Authority attacked a vegetarian organization for making "alarmist" and "unsubstantiated" claims about the risks of eating meat. Headlines like "Vegetarian group slammed over advertising" splashed across the evening news. What "exaggerated" claims were targeted by the Agency? The vegetarian group claimed that meat-eaters were at increased risk of dying from heart disease and stroke, and that vegetarians lived longer than meateaters. How could the agency possibly find fault with such incontrovertible facts? because, simply put, our "facts" aren't true.
The latest science and the best science that we have that we have suggests that we vegetarians do not live longer than our meat-eating counterparts. The latest published results came out January, 2002 in a journal called Public Health Nutrition. Eight thousand vegetarians were followed for 18 years, and no survival advantage was found. Then April, 2002 the results of a study twice that size were released at the International Congress on Vegetarian Nutrition held at Loma Linda University. A study involving seventeen thousand vegetarians followed for about 9 years confirms the bad news-no survival advantage for vegetarians. Even more worrisome, both this huge studies found that vegetarians had an increased risk of dying from degenerative brain diseases."
As for the association between fish eating and cancer see for example the following studies:
Wolk A, Larsson SC, Johansson JE, Ekman P. Long-term fatty fish consumption and renal cell carcinoma incidence in women. JAMA. 2006 Sep 20;296(11):1371-6. PMID: 16985229 [PubMed - in process] <http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/296/11/1371>
Terry P, Wolk A, Vainio H, Weiderpass E. Fatty fish consumption lowers the risk of endometrial cancer: a nationwide case-control study in Sweden. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2002 Jan;11(1):143-5. PMID: 11815413 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] <http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/11/1/143>
Terry P, Lichtenstein P, Feychting M, Ahlbom A, Wolk A. Fatty fish consumption and risk of prostate cancer. Lancet. 2001 Jun 2;357(9270):1764-6. PMID: 11403817 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] <http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673600048893/fulltext> (requires a free registration)
Larsson SC, Kumlin M, Ingelman-Sundberg M, Wolk A. Dietary long-chain n-3 fatty acids for the prevention of cancer: a review of potential mechanisms. Am J Clin Nutr. 2004 Jun;79(6):935-45. Review. PMID: 15159222 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] <http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/79/6/935>
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I.P. Freely - 10 Apr 2007 15:31 GMT >>>> I don't eat read meat, but I think that Campbell has an agenda and a >>>> strong bias. I'm not too impressed by his methodology either. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >>> medical community" (a quotation from >>> <http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/23>). Thank you very much! I hadn't had time to research Campbell or The China Story yet, but will dig into your references soon. I'm well aware how many books and ideas (and "documentary" movies!) sound valid but in fact are based on pure crapola, and have wondered how valid Campbell's story is. OTOH, bias is obviously a GOOD thing if based on factual research. Is this guy ahead of his time like the docs who stood alone in their claim that H. pylori bacteria cause stomach ulcers, or is he just another activist whose agenda taints all he does? Which is chicken vs egg . . . vegetarian activist or cancer fighter? I have had two non-physician health professionals I respect highly recommend this book, but both are vegetarians.
I.P.
I.P. Freely - 15 Apr 2007 23:37 GMT >>>> Tip of an iceberg? Read Campbell's "The China Study". It describes the >>>> largest, most authoritative, peer-reviewed nutrition study ever [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > which additionally has links to Dr. Campbell's response to this review > and to Chris Masterjohn's response to Dr. Campbell. Holy McHamburgers! I've now read more pages of debate over the book than of the book itself, and still have no idea how valid are Campbell's study and book. I'm putting the book on a shelf and resuming my regimen of primarily Mediterranean diet principles applied to global cooking (e.g., Mediterranean Mexican, Mediterranean Chinese, Mediterranean desserts, Med southern U.S.). If I'm still alive when the protein debate dust begins to settle, and if someone finds something better than 1% milk to pour over a huge bowl of whole grain cereal and fruits and nuts, maybe I'll look into it again.
Thanks for the leads, Matti. You've compiled a very impressive body of research with no obvious bias. But given the endless disagreement among peer-reviewed studies in almost every field of medicine, I suspect our health efforts beyond smoking cessation, weight moderation, and fast-foods avoidance are best spent in the single arena in which virtually all research agrees: exercise. It is clinically and visually obvious that my playtime and gym time have knocked decades off my chronological age and physical work/play capacity, so even if my cancers nail me, I'm having a great time on my way to the grave. *That* we can all control to some degree, and although the later we start the faster the improvement, the sooner we start the greater the overall benefits.
I.P.
Matti Narkia - 15 Apr 2007 23:46 GMT >>>>> Tip of an iceberg? Read Campbell's "The China Study". It describes the >>>>> largest, most authoritative, peer-reviewed nutrition study ever [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] >all control to some degree, and although the later we start the faster >the improvement, the sooner we start the greater the overall benefits. I fully agree with the exercise part. But I think that from among all apparent chaos of disagreeing studies, a sensible pattern will emerge, when you read enough, although a lot uncertainty remains. I think that you are right in sticking to Mediterranean diet for now, I don't think that you can go badly wrong with that.
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