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Roman Bystrianyk - 09 Apr 2007 13:41 GMT
"Red Meat Linked To Breast Cancer", Science Daily, April 8, 2007,
Link: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070407174018.htm

Eating red meat increases a woman's chance of developing breast
cancer, according to new research from the University of Leeds.

The findings are most striking for post-menopausal women - those with
the highest intake of red meat, the equivalent to one portion a day
(more than 57 grams) - run a 56 per cent greater risk of breast cancer
than those who eat none.

Women who eat the most processed meat, such as bacon, sausages, ham or
pies, run a 64 per cent greater risk of breast cancer than those who
eat none.

Researchers at the University's Centre for Epidemiology and
Biostatistics have been tracking the eating habits and health of more
than 35,000 women for the past seven years, and their latest findings
are published in the British Journal of Cancer. Earlier findings,
widely reported in January, showed that pre-menopausal women who have
the greatest intake of fibre have cut their risk of breast cancer in
half.
I.P. Freely - 09 Apr 2007 16:11 GMT
Tip of an iceberg? Read Campbell's "The China Study". It describes the
largest, most authoritative, peer-reviewed nutrition study ever
performed, which blames cancer squarely on consumption of all animal
proteins, including dairy and  -- I think; I haven't finished it yet --
fish. Just the opening pages are rather astounding in terms of
credentials and claims.

I.P.
Matti Narkia - 09 Apr 2007 22:32 GMT
>Tip of an iceberg? Read Campbell's "The China Study". It describes the
>largest, most authoritative, peer-reviewed nutrition study ever
>performed, which blames cancer squarely on consumption of all animal
>proteins, including dairy and  -- I think; I haven't finished it yet --
>fish. Just the opening pages are rather astounding in terms of
>credentials and claims.

I don't eat read meat, but I think that Campbell has an agenda and a
strong bias. I'm not too impressed by his methodology either.

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Matti Narkia - 10 Apr 2007 02:14 GMT
>>Tip of an iceberg? Read Campbell's "The China Study". It describes the
>>largest, most authoritative, peer-reviewed nutrition study ever
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>I don't eat read meat, but I think that Campbell has an agenda and a
>strong bias. I'm not too impressed by his methodology either.

T. Colin Campbell is a vegan activist and an Advisory Board Member in
"The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine" (PCRM), which "is
a fanatical animal rights group that seeks to remove eggs, milk, meat,
and seafood from the American diet, and to eliminate the use of
animals in scientific research. Despite its operational and financial
ties to other animal activist groups and its close relationship with
violent zealots, PCRM has successfully duped the media and much of the
general public into believing that its pronouncements about the
superiority of vegetarian-only diets represent the opinion of the
medical community" (a quotation from
<http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/23>).

I have some reservations about westonaprice.org website and have
looked at it somewhat critically at times, but to get a different
perspective about Campbell's work it's probably a good idea to read
the review

Thumbs Down Review: The China Study: Startling Implications for Diet,
Weight Loss, and Long-Term Health By T. Colin Campbell
BenBella Books
Review By Chris Masterjohn
<http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/chinastudy.html>

Some information about Campbell:

T. Colin Campbell Biography
<http://www.activistcash.com/biography.cfm/bid/1501>

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Matti Narkia - 10 Apr 2007 02:20 GMT
>>>Tip of an iceberg? Read Campbell's "The China Study". It describes the
>>>largest, most authoritative, peer-reviewed nutrition study ever
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>Review By Chris Masterjohn
><http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/chinastudy.html>

This review is available also on the page

The Truth About the China Study
<http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html>

which additionally has links to Dr. Campbell's response to this review
and to Chris Masterjohn's response to Dr. Campbell.

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Matti Narkia - 10 Apr 2007 12:49 GMT
>>>>Tip of an iceberg? Read Campbell's "The China Study". It describes the
>>>>largest, most authoritative, peer-reviewed nutrition study ever
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>which additionally has links to Dr. Campbell's response to this review
>and to Chris Masterjohn's response to Dr. Campbell.

As for the healthiness of vegan diet, see the study

Key TJ, Fraser GE, Thorogood M, Appleby PN, Beral V, Reeves G, Burr
ML, Chang-Claude J, Frentzel-Beyme R, Kuzma JW, Mann J, McPherson K.
Mortality in vegetarians and nonvegetarians: detailed findings from a
collaborative analysis of 5 prospective studies.
Am J Clin Nutr. 1999 Sep;70(3 Suppl):516S-524S.
<http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/70/3/516S>

which investigated the mortality in people following five different
types of diet: regular meat-eaters, occasional meat-eaters,
fish-eaters, lactoovovegatarians and vegans. The study found no
statistically significant differences between groups in mortality from
various cancers, but in all-causes mortality the fish-eaters and
lactoovovegetarians fared statistically significantly better than
vegans and regular meat-eaters. Below the abstract of this study:

   "We combined data from 5 prospective studies to compare
   the death rates from common diseases of vegetarians with
   those of nonvegetarians with similar lifestyles. A summary
   of these results was reported previously; we report here
   more details of the findings. Data for 76172 men and women
   were available. Vegetarians were those who did not eat any
   meat or fish (n = 27808). Death rate ratios at ages 16-89
   y were calculated by Poisson regression and all results
   were adjusted for age, sex, and smoking status. A random-
   effects model was used to calculate pooled estimates of
   effect for all studies combined. There were 8330 deaths
   after a mean of 10.6 y of follow-up. Mortality from
   ischemic heart disease was 24% lower in vegetarians than
   in nonvegetarians (death rate ratio: 0.76; 95% CI: 0.62,
   0.94; P < 0.01). The lower mortality from ischemic heart
   disease among vegetarians was greater at younger ages and
   was restricted to those who had followed their current
   diet for >5 y. Further categorization of diets showed
   that, in comparison with regular meat eaters, mortality
   from ischemic heart disease was 20% lower in occasional
   meat eaters, 34% lower in people who ate fish but not
   meat, 34% lower in lactoovovegetarians, and 26% lower in
   vegans. There were no significant differences between
   vegetarians and nonvegetarians in mortality from
   cerebrovascular disease, stomach cancer, colorectal
   cancer, lung cancer, breast cancer, prostate cancer, or
   all other causes combined."

See also

TABLE 7. All-studies death rate ratios and 95% CIs and the number of
deaths by diet category
<http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content-nw/full/70/3/516S/T7>

from which we see that the all-causes death rate ratios for regular
meat-eaters, occasional meat-eaters, fish-eaters, lactoovovegatarians
and vegans were 1.00, 0.84, 0.82, 0.84, and 1.00, respectively, when
compared with regular meat-eaters. The table also gives 95% confidence
limits for these ratios.

Michael Greger, M.D. and a vegan, is concerned about the healthiness
of vegan diet, and writes about it in the article

Maximizing Vegetarian Nutrition by Michael Greger, M.D.
<http://vegnews.org/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=121>

as follows:

    "August of this year, the BBC reported that the British
    Advertising Standards Authority attacked a vegetarian
    organization for making "alarmist" and "unsubstantiated"
    claims about the risks of eating meat. Headlines like
    "Vegetarian group slammed over advertising" splashed across
    the evening news. What "exaggerated" claims were targeted by
    the Agency? The vegetarian group claimed that meat-eaters were
    at increased risk of dying from heart disease and stroke, and
    that vegetarians lived longer than meateaters. How could the
    agency possibly find fault with such incontrovertible facts?
    because, simply put, our "facts" aren't true.

    The latest science and the best science that we have that we
    have suggests that we vegetarians do not live longer than our
    meat-eating counterparts. The latest published results came
    out January, 2002 in a journal called Public Health Nutrition.
    Eight thousand vegetarians were followed for 18 years, and no
    survival advantage was found. Then April, 2002 the results of
    a study twice that size were released at the International
    Congress on Vegetarian Nutrition held at Loma Linda
    University. A study involving seventeen thousand vegetarians
    followed for about 9 years confirms the bad news-no survival
    advantage for vegetarians. Even more worrisome, both this huge
    studies found that vegetarians had an increased risk of dying
    from degenerative brain diseases."

As for the association between fish eating and cancer see for example
the following studies:

Wolk A, Larsson SC, Johansson JE, Ekman P.
Long-term fatty fish consumption and renal cell carcinoma incidence in
women.
JAMA. 2006 Sep 20;296(11):1371-6.
PMID: 16985229 [PubMed - in process]
<http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/296/11/1371>

Terry P, Wolk A, Vainio H, Weiderpass E.
Fatty fish consumption lowers the risk of endometrial cancer: a
nationwide case-control study in Sweden.
Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2002 Jan;11(1):143-5.
PMID: 11815413 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/11/1/143>

Terry P, Lichtenstein P, Feychting M, Ahlbom A, Wolk A.
Fatty fish consumption and risk of prostate cancer.
Lancet. 2001 Jun 2;357(9270):1764-6.
PMID: 11403817 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673600048893/fulltext>
(requires a free registration)

Larsson SC, Kumlin M, Ingelman-Sundberg M, Wolk A.
Dietary long-chain n-3 fatty acids for the prevention of cancer: a
review of potential mechanisms.
Am J Clin Nutr. 2004 Jun;79(6):935-45. Review.
PMID: 15159222 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/79/6/935>

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I.P. Freely - 10 Apr 2007 15:31 GMT
>>>> I don't eat read meat, but I think that Campbell has an agenda and a
>>>> strong bias. I'm not too impressed by his methodology either.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>>> medical community" (a quotation from
>>> <http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/23>).

Thank you very much! I hadn't had time to research Campbell or The China
Story yet, but will dig into your references soon. I'm well aware how
many books and ideas (and "documentary" movies!) sound valid but in fact
are based on pure crapola, and have wondered how valid Campbell's story
is. OTOH, bias is obviously a GOOD thing if based on factual research.
Is this guy ahead of his time like the docs who stood alone in their
claim that H. pylori bacteria cause stomach ulcers, or is he just
another activist whose agenda taints all he does? Which is chicken vs
egg . . . vegetarian activist or cancer fighter? I have had two
non-physician health professionals I respect highly recommend this book,
but both are vegetarians.

I.P.
I.P. Freely - 15 Apr 2007 23:37 GMT
>>>> Tip of an iceberg? Read Campbell's "The China Study". It describes the
>>>> largest, most authoritative, peer-reviewed nutrition study ever
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> which additionally has links to Dr. Campbell's response to this review
> and to Chris Masterjohn's response to Dr. Campbell.

Holy McHamburgers! I've now read more pages of debate over the book than
of the book itself, and still have no idea how valid are Campbell's
study and book. I'm putting the book on a shelf and resuming my regimen
of primarily Mediterranean diet principles applied to global cooking
(e.g., Mediterranean Mexican, Mediterranean Chinese, Mediterranean
desserts, Med southern U.S.). If I'm still alive when the protein debate
dust begins to settle, and if someone finds something better than 1%
milk to pour over a huge bowl of whole grain cereal and fruits and nuts,
maybe I'll look into it again.

Thanks for the leads, Matti. You've compiled a very impressive body of
research with no obvious bias. But given the endless disagreement among
peer-reviewed studies in almost every field of medicine, I suspect our
health efforts beyond smoking cessation, weight moderation, and
fast-foods avoidance are best spent in the single arena in which
virtually all research agrees: exercise. It is clinically and visually
obvious that my playtime and gym time have knocked decades off my
chronological age and physical work/play capacity, so even if my cancers
nail me, I'm having a great time on my way to the grave. *That* we can
all control to some degree, and although the later we start the faster
the improvement, the sooner we start the greater the overall benefits.

I.P.
Matti Narkia - 15 Apr 2007 23:46 GMT
>>>>> Tip of an iceberg? Read Campbell's "The China Study". It describes the
>>>>> largest, most authoritative, peer-reviewed nutrition study ever
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
>all control to some degree, and although the later we start the faster
>the improvement, the sooner we start the greater the overall benefits.

I fully agree with the exercise part. But I think that from among all
apparent chaos of disagreeing studies, a sensible pattern will emerge,
when you read enough, although a lot uncertainty remains. I think that
you are right in sticking to Mediterranean diet for now, I don't think
that you can go badly wrong with that.

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