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JOHN - 07 Apr 2007 22:21 GMT
http://www.whale.to/a/graphs.html
Jeff - 08 Apr 2007 02:59 GMT
They show that the health of people were improving, but that the vaccines
prevented deaths.

Nothing new here.

Of course, they are highly selected to make it seem like the vaccines didn't
have any effect. Nothing new here, either.

Jeff
JOHN - 08 Apr 2007 11:05 GMT
> They show that the health of people were improving, but that the vaccines
> prevented deaths.
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> Of course, they are highly selected to make it seem like the vaccines
> didn't have any effect. Nothing new here, either.

You liars should know.  You start your graphs just before vaccination
started.
Jeff - 08 Apr 2007 15:18 GMT
>> They show that the health of people were improving, but that the vaccines
>> prevented deaths.
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> You liars should know.  You start your graphs just before vaccination
> started.

Why don't you show us where, John?

And why don't you show us graphs that show the incidence of disease, not
just the deaths? Vaccines not only prevent deaths, but they prevent the
incidence of disease and the problems resulting from the illnesses, like
meningitis and deafness.

Jeff
JOHN - 08 Apr 2007 15:55 GMT
> Why don't you show us where, John?

here is one of your graphs on incidence
http://www.quackwatch.com/03HealthPromotion/immu/immu01.html

incidence is one you can fiddle as allopaths keep the stats on that, if
anyone

death stats are compulsory, and kept by gov, so you can't fiddle them so
easy

> And why don't you show us graphs that show the incidence of disease, not
> just the deaths? Vaccines not only prevent deaths, but they prevent the
> incidence of disease and the problems resulting from the illnesses, like
> meningitis and deafness.
>
> Jeff

incidence is meaningless, as you liars know which is why you go on about it,
hoping we ignore death stats

morbidity is tied to mortality
Jeff - 08 Apr 2007 16:32 GMT
>> Why don't you show us where, John?
>
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> incidence is one you can fiddle as allopaths keep the stats on that, if
> anyone

You confuse me, John. What difference does it make? You use the graph on the
stats on death made by allopaths? Are you suggesting that the stats that
allopaths keep on incidence are bad, but the ones they keep on deaths are
good?

> death stats are compulsory, and kept by gov, so you can't fiddle them so
> easy

Gee, John, get a clue, if you can.

Who fills of the death certificates? Mostly allopaths.

>> And why don't you show us graphs that show the incidence of disease, not
>> just the deaths? Vaccines not only prevent deaths, but they prevent the
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> incidence is meaningless, as you liars know which is why you go on about
> it, hoping we ignore death stats

Tell that to the parent who has to miss work for a week, and the income from
work, so that she can take care of her sick kid. Tell that to the parents of
kids who are left brain-injured or deaf from measles. Tell that to parents
who have to take their kid to the hospital because he won't drink because of
the chicken-pox lesions in his throat.

Like it or not, allopaths not only want to prevent death, but allopaths want
to prevent all disease as well as the problems that result from having
disease, like brain damage and deafness.

> morbidity is tied to mortality

Yeah, and with better treatments, as well as better general health thanks to
better sanitation and better quality food available, there is far less
mortality. But, without vaccines, thousands of kids would still die from
vaccine-preventable illnesses each year, like measles, rubella (from
congenital rubella), and chicken pox.

How many people died from smallpox last year? Zero, thanks to vaccines. And
please don't suggest that this is because of better nutrition and health and
sanitation. There are many areas of the world where there is poor sanitation
(i.e., they poop in the streem or on the ground), poor nutrition and poor
health. Yet, there is no smallpox, thanks to vaccines.

Jeff
JOHN - 08 Apr 2007 21:17 GMT
> Like it or not, allopaths not only want to prevent death, but allopaths
> want to prevent all disease as well as the problems that result from
> having disease, like brain damage and deafness.

reality check:  allopaths are the leading cause of death
http://www.whale.to/a/dean.html
Jeff - 08 Apr 2007 23:36 GMT
>> Like it or not, allopaths not only want to prevent death, but allopaths
>> want to prevent all disease as well as the problems that result from
>> having disease, like brain damage and deafness.
>
> reality check:  allopaths are the leading cause of death
> http://www.whale.to/a/dean.html

Incorrect. People die for the most part because they have diseases. They
don't die because they are treated by allopaths, which, by your definition,
I am not one.

Jeff
David Wright - 12 Apr 2007 19:07 GMT
>> Like it or not, allopaths not only want to prevent death, but allopaths
>> want to prevent all disease as well as the problems that result from
>> having disease, like brain damage and deafness.
>
>reality check:  allopaths are the leading cause of death
>http://www.whale.to/a/dean.html

Better reality check -- the numbers in that so-called report are
mostly either irrelevant, obsolete, or speculative.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "HPV shots don't cause promiscuity.  Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher
 
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