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The last two days has cost big pharma millions

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brightwinger - 07 Apr 2007 04:06 GMT
In the last 36 hours, at least three people I've talked with have
decided NOT to use FDA-approved drugs.

If you count the other 3 or 4 people who are starting on programs to
reduce or eliminate the driugs they are taking now, it could cost big
pharma tens of thousands of dollars.

I'm just one person. But across the country this story is being
carried out over and over again. In other words, the drug punks are
losing millions of dollars in future sales daily!

It's a beautiful thing!
JohnDoe - 10 Apr 2007 09:34 GMT
> In the last 36 hours, at least three people I've talked with have
> decided NOT to use FDA-approved drugs.

I hope you haven't talked any, say, diabetics out of taking their FDA
approved insulin. Then again, maybe you would do such a thing. What do
you care if people suffer because of your stupidity. After all, what's a
little human suffering when it comes to thwarting eeevil Big Pharma and
it's conjoined twin, the FDA. BTW, I hear Prozac works pretty well
against paranoia and imaginary demons. You should try it some time.

> If you count the other 3 or 4 people who are starting on programs to
> reduce or eliminate the driugs they are taking now, it could cost big
> pharma tens of thousands of dollars.

Are they buying supplements at your health store now?

> I'm just one person. But across the country this story is being
> carried out over and over again. In other words, the drug punks are
> losing millions of dollars in future sales daily!
>
> It's a beautiful thing!
PeterB - 10 Apr 2007 18:47 GMT
> > In the last 36 hours, at least three people I've talked with have
> > decided NOT to use FDA-approved drugs.
>
> I hope you haven't talked any, say, diabetics out of taking their FDA
> approved insulin.

Insulin, while synthesized to emulate the natural hormone, is a rare
example of conventional medicine modeling a drug on a naturally-
occuring chemical, for treatment of disease.  That is the *only*
reason it works reliably as it does.  Even then, it doesn't work well
for everyone.  [ref. http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/files/health/insulin/index.html]

> Then again, maybe you would do such a thing. What do
> you care if people suffer because of your stupidity.

I did not see you responding to my "35 Most Profitable Drug List"
challenge, so you cannot claim to have evidence that drugs, in
aggregate, save more lives than they take.

> After all, what's a
> little human suffering when it comes to thwarting eeevil Big Pharma and
> it's conjoined twin, the FDA.

Without "Big Pharma" and it's lapdog there would be far less human
suffering than there is.  Just because a drug is "FDA approved"
doesn't mean it works, is safe, or saves lives.  If I'm wrong, where
is the data to prove it?

> BTW, I hear Prozac works pretty well
> against paranoia and imaginary demons. You should try it some time.

No one wants to follow your lead and become a dopehead, Johndopey
Hey, I think you may have earned yourself a new nickname.

> > If you count the other 3 or 4 people who are starting on programs to
> > reduce or eliminate the driugs they are taking now, it could cost big
> > pharma tens of thousands of dollars.
>
> Are they buying supplements at your health store now?

If they are, it makes them 100% smarter than you.

> > I'm just one person. But across the country this story is being
> > carried out over and over again. In other words, the drug punks are
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JohnDoe - 11 Apr 2007 07:47 GMT
>>>In the last 36 hours, at least three people I've talked with have
>>>decided NOT to use FDA-approved drugs.
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> example of conventional medicine modeling a drug on a naturally-
> occuring chemical,

Rare example??? First thing that comes to mind: aspirin.
And haven't you noticed how much research is published about the
possible medicinal effect of compounds found in plants and animals?
Apparently, you haven't. Seems like all these years you've been railing
against a complete strawman of scientific medicine. How does it feel, to
waste so many years of your life?

> for treatment of disease.  That is the *only*
> reason it works reliably as it does.  Even then, it doesn't work well
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PeterB - 11 Apr 2007 19:37 GMT
> >>>In the last 36 hours, at least three people I've talked with have
> >>>decided NOT to use FDA-approved drugs.
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>
> Rare example??? First thing that comes to mind: aspirin.

I meant to say a "rare example of **a life-saving conventional drug**
based on a naturally-occuring chemical."  While many drugs (~1/3 if
memory serves) are modeled on variouis phytochemicals, insulin is
distinguished by its biosynthesis in the pancreas and manufactured
forms have become problematic [ref.http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/
files/health/insulin/index.html].  The drug makers' few successes are
therefore limited to attempts at duplicating a natural substance
already found in nature.

> And haven't you noticed how much research is published about the
> possible medicinal effect of compounds found in plants and animals?
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brightwinger - 11 Apr 2007 04:38 GMT
> > In the last 36 hours, at least three people I've talked with have
> > decided NOT to use FDA-approved drugs.
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> it's conjoined twin, the FDA. BTW, I hear Prozac works pretty well
> against paranoia and imaginary demons. You should try it some time.

It's understandable that you interpreted what I wrote to mean that I
talked them into not using FDA-approved posions. It would be easy to
read my original remarks that way. My apologies for any confusion.

What's happening is that customers are educating themselves as to the
dangers of FDA-approved poisons and have decided to avoid them.

Customers are coming in after they've read books or newsletters, etc,
and decided they aren't guinea pigs. This is most likely happening all
over the country.

It's exciting because just one person opting out from FDA-approved
poisons dings the drug industry thousands of dollars in a year's time.

So picture 1,000 people doing that across the country every day! That
adds up to hundreds of millions of dollars! It also means far fewer
FDA-approved poisonings.

> > If you count the other 3 or 4 people who are starting on programs to
> > reduce or eliminate the driugs they are taking now, it could cost big
> > pharma tens of thousands of dollars.
>
> Are they buying supplements at your health store now?

They are buying them all over the country.

> > I'm just one person. But across the country this story is being
> > carried out over and over again. In other words, the drug punks are
> > losing millions of dollars in future sales daily!
>
> > It's a beautiful thing!
JohnDoe - 11 Apr 2007 07:49 GMT
>>>In the last 36 hours, at least three people I've talked with have
>>>decided NOT to use FDA-approved drugs.
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> adds up to hundreds of millions of dollars! It also means far fewer
> FDA-approved poisonings.

I beg to differ. I say it'll be natural selection at work, and you will
be out of a job soon.

>>>If you count the other 3 or 4 people who are starting on programs to
>>>reduce or eliminate the driugs they are taking now, it could cost big
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>>
>>>It's a beautiful thing!
brightwinger - 12 Apr 2007 04:52 GMT
> >>>In the last 36 hours, at least three people I've talked with have
> >>>decided NOT to use FDA-approved drugs.
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> I beg to differ. I say it'll be natural selection at work, and you will
> be out of a job soon.

Time after time these people report how much better they are
doing...that the natural solution surpassed...and that the drugs
failed miserably in that objective.

I might be out of a job in the not too distant future due to a fall a
month ago in my driveway. The funny thing is I dented the car with my
shoulder, but my shoulder suffered no injury or soreness whatsoever.

But my lower back, which also doesn't hurt...or barely so... has been
sending lots of pain down my leg. X-rays indicate that I had what
might have been a congenital misalignment with a calcified 'platform'
holding my 5th lumbar in place from slipping totally out of position.

The first 4 lumbar line up just fine with the 5th one in a parallel
position except that it's maybe 30% dropped down. Picture piano keys
all in a row with the fifth key depressed...that's sort of what it's
like.

A month later and I'm hardly any better. I just don't know how much
improvement is possible with the calcified platform that's there to
compensate for a structural problem. (Ironically, I was headed to a
doctor's office to find out why my leg had been giving me problems
when I fell.)

The company has been wonderful, but if I'm still like this for a
couple more months, I might have to become a drug rep. ;-)

It would be awful if I ended up with more time to harrass and correct
you and your fellow numbskulls. ;-) ;-)

> >>>If you count the other 3 or 4 people who are starting on programs to
> >>>reduce or eliminate the driugs they are taking now, it could cost big
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>
> >>>It's a beautiful thing!
Twittering One - 10 Apr 2007 19:26 GMT
"First off, they STOLE my tag line ~ !
Secondly, I happen to LIKE my AD[Hi!]D meds."
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