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Teen abuse of prescription drugs on rise

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Jan Drew - 05 Apr 2007 16:24 GMT
[note the lie in the first sentence].

http://www.wilsontimes.com/Wil_region/Local_News/288578972009350.php

They come in small amber-colored plastic bottles with labels, prescribed by
a doctor. They are safe when used properly by those for whom they are
prescribed.

That may one reason why nearly half of teenagers believe prescription
medication is safer to consume than marijuana, cocaine and other illicit
drugs.

Law enforcement agencies and other organizations in Wilson say this area
doesn't currently have a significant problem with teenage prescription drug
abuse. But if families don't take care to monitor their children,
authorities warn, that could change.

Prescription drug abuse in the U.S. is increasing and could surpass illicit
drug use, according to a report from Partnership for a Drug-Free N.C.

One in 10 teenagers in N.C. reported using prescription painkillers in the
last month, the organization said in a press release, and 40 percent of
teens believe prescription medications are less risky than drugs like
marijuana, heroin and cocaine.

"The crux of the problem, I believe, is teens think because a pharmaceutical
company made it, it's OK, it's not a street drug," said Phil Mooring,
executive director of Wilson Families in Action.

That misconception can have dangerous - even deadly - consequences. And the
accessibility of these medications to young people may be a contributing
factor to the growing problem of prescription drug abuse, Mooring said.

"Peer pressure, boredom, self-esteem issues, it's seen as the cool thing to
do; all these contribute to the temptation. If they want to use
(prescription drugs), it's easy to get," he said. "Most of it is coming from
their parents' medicine cabinets or the medicine cabinets of their friends."

AWARENESS OF A PROBLEM

Wilson Families in Action works with families to help prevent substance
abuse among children and adolescents. The agency isn't a counseling center,
Mooring said, but rather serves to educate and inform parents about
substance abuse.

"We do know that prescription drug abuse is a growing trend and folks at the
federal level are very concerned. Indicators are telling us this is
something we'd better get on top of," Mooring said. "You need to be aware of
whether your child is involved with risky behavior."

Teenagers who are using and abusing prescription medications may exhibit
similar symptoms to that of alcohol intoxication, according to local
pharmacists.

As a parent, once you suspect your child has a drug problem, it's time to
have a talk. Don't hesitate to sit down with your child to have a discussion
about the dangers of abusing prescription drugs, authorities say, including
long-term and short-term consequences.

"Our message to parents is, please know what's going on in your child's
life. There is a fine line between invading your child's privacy and
preventing risky behavior," Mooring said.

He reminds parents to pay attention to little things, too, like who your
children are spending time with, and what activities those friends are
involved in.

"Know your children's friends. Does your kid's best friend use drugs? If so,
chances are your child probably is, too," Mooring said.

Russ Dillard, a pharmacist at Eckerd Pharmacy on Martin Luther King Jr.
Parkway, said if your child suddenly switches the kind of friends he or she
spends time with, check it out. Also, be aware of significant attitude and
behavioral changes, he said.

WHERE TEENS ARE GETTING THE MEDS

Accessibility to prescription medications is part of the problem with the
growing trend of teenage substance abuse, authorities say. If a teenager
can't get to pills in his or her parent's cabinet, they may find it just as
easily at school, Mooring said.

Around the city and county, school and law enforcement officials say there
isn't a serious problem with prescription drug abuse among teenagers. Police
and sheriff's deputies haven't recently made any major arrests in connection
with illegal possession or sale of prescription drugs by teenagers.

Bob Kendall, director of public relations for Wilson County Schools, said
four students have received disciplinary action since the beginning of the
2006-2007 school year for activities related to prescription drug abuse.

Three of the disciplined students were carrying Adderall, a medication used
to treat ADHD, after either getting the drug from someone else or to give to
another student, Kendall reported. Those students were each suspended for 10
days.

The fourth student to receive disciplinary action this year was caught with
Xanax, an anxiety disorder medication. School officials determined that
student planned to sell the drug and was subsequently suspended for the rest
of the school year.

The school system's policy for selling, using or possessing drugs includes a
penalty ranging from a 10-day suspension to a 365-day suspension. First-time
policy violators must also meet with a guidance counselor and attend a
substance abuse program chosen by the superintendent.

Wilson police Sgt. D.H. Garris said local law authorities are "monitoring
the issue" of teenage prescription drug abuse. Sedatives and ADHD medication
are the most popular among teens who either use the substances or sell it to
others, he said.

It's already dangerous when young people take drugs that aren't prescribed
to them, but that grows exponentially when those adolescents mix
prescription medications with alcohol and illegal narcotics, Garris said.

"If these drugs aren't prescribed to them, they don't have any symptoms to
begin with, so they're getting the impairment," he said. "From what I've
read in most cases, these kids are taking more tablets than are prescribed
to them, or using these drugs with alcohol or marijuana, which brings in a
lot of the danger."

Parents can prevent their children from getting their hands on medications
by locking up what they have at home, and destroying old pills. Garris also
recommended adults dole out drugs for their children, no matter how old they
are or how much they protest.

"I'd encourage parents to ... give (children) their doses, rather than let
the kids administer their own medication. Parents can eliminate the
possibility of their children abusing or selling these drugs by monitoring
them," Garris said.

A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE LAW

Tougher restrictions on certain drugs that previously were available
over-the-counter have helped at least a portion of a drug problem plaguing
most parts of the U.S.

Since January 2006, ephedrine and pseudoephedrine, found in cold and allergy
medications, are only available for purchase behind the counter at
pharmacies, and only to adults ages 18 and older. Anyone buying the
medicines must show photo identification and sign a log book.

Pseudoephedrine and ephedrine are ingredients found in methamphetamines an
addictive stimulant. Authorities around the country have cracked down on
meth labs, which pose health and safety issues due to the number of toxic
chemicals used to produce the drug.

Pharmacists in Wilson say the relationships they have with local law
enforcement has been positive.

"Pharmacies have worked well with law enforcement. If they need access, they
get it," said Brian Holloman of Thomas Discount Drugs & Home Medical Supply.

That relationship could be expanded if the state legislature approves House
Bill 745, which would authorize sheriffs to examine pharmacy records that
relate to controlled substances.

"The Sheriff's Office would benefit from (the bill) if it passes," said Maj.
J.H. Farmer of the Wilson County Sheriff's Office. "With any illegal
activities, especially methamphetamines, area pharmacists have been
wonderful to work with. They have been fully cooperative. We're fortunate in
Wilson County to have a good working relationship."

So far, the bill has been referred to the Committee on Health and is sitting
in a judiciary committee in the General Assembly.

Dillard said he's certain local pharmacists would support the bill, assuming
records are only disclosed to the proper authorities.

New laws may help, experts say, but drug abuse prevention begins at home.

"You need to tell that child, 'You're an adolescent and we love you enough
that when we see there might be a problem, we'll check your dresser drawer.
We want to ensure you're safe,'" Mooring said.
Mark - 05 Apr 2007 20:19 GMT
> [note the lie in the first sentence].
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> a doctor. They are safe when used properly by those for whom they are
> prescribed.

What lie?  That they come in amber bottles?

Oh!  I get it.  These medicines are (evidently, according to Jan)
unsafe for anyone, at any dose, under any circumstances.  Kind of like
Neurontin, right?

Mark, MD
Peter Bowditch - 06 Apr 2007 00:16 GMT
>[note the lie in the first sentence].
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>a doctor. They are safe when used properly by those for whom they are
>prescribed.

Please explain what in that sentence is a lie, Jan.

>That may one reason why nearly half of teenagers believe prescription
>medication is safer to consume than marijuana, cocaine and other illicit
>drugs.

When used properly, that is probably correct. Would you prefer it if
children threw away their prescription drugs and started doing blow?

>Law enforcement agencies and other organizations in Wilson say this area
>doesn't currently have a significant problem with teenage prescription drug
>abuse. But if families don't take care to monitor their children,
>authorities warn, that could change.

Ah, I see we are talking about abuse. That is a problem, but it has
nothing to do with drugs "when used properly by those for whom they
are prescribed".

>Prescription drug abuse in the U.S. is increasing and could surpass illicit
>drug use, according to a report from Partnership for a Drug-Free N.C.

Yes, drug abuse is a problem. Why is this relevant to a newsgroup
about alternative medicine?

>One in 10 teenagers in N.C. reported using prescription painkillers in the
>last month, the organization said in a press release, and 40 percent of
>teens believe prescription medications are less risky than drugs like
>marijuana, heroin and cocaine.

The writer is repeating himself. Perhaps Prozac could be effective for
the OCD.

<remainder snipped by DeScaremongerer(tm)>
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John Jones - 08 Apr 2007 10:20 GMT
> >[note the lie in the first sentence].
>
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au
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Are you saying that only a 'doctor' can advise on who should have
their minds and emotions controlled? That's the lie. Or are you saying
that only a doctor can advise on what is dangerous and what is not?
That's also the lie.
Jeff - 08 Apr 2007 23:32 GMT
>> >[note the lie in the first sentence].
>>
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
> Are you saying that only a 'doctor' can advise on who should have
> their minds and emotions controlled? That's the lie.

Actually, that's an opinion. You may disagree with the opinion, but it is an
opinion, not a lie.

However, in most places, all prescriptions must be made by a physician. In
some places, psychologists may be allowed to write prescriptions. And, of
course, psychologists and other mental health experts certainly have
valuable opinions to share with physicians.

> Or are you saying
> that only a doctor can advise on what is dangerous and what is not?
> That's also the lie.

That is also an opinion. And, of course, psychologists and other mental
health professions clearly have good advice when it comes to medication.

Jeff
Jan Drew - 09 Apr 2007 01:21 GMT
>>> >[note the lie in the first sentence].
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
> Actually, that's an opinion. You may disagree with the opinion, but it is
> an opinion, not a lie.

Actually, John Jones was asking Peter a quesrion.

> However, in most places, all prescriptions must be made by a physician. In
> some places, psychologists may be allowed to write prescriptions. And, of
> course, psychologists and other mental health experts certainly have
> valuable opinions to share with physicians.

Like pushing ADHD drugs and even to very young kids.

>> Or are you saying
>> that only a doctor can advise on what is dangerous and what is not?
>> That's also the lie.
>
> That is also an opinion.

First there was a question to Peter (lying) Bowditch, NOT you,,,,

And, of course, psychologists and other mental
> health professions clearly have good advice when it comes to medication.
>
> Jeff
Clearly?!?!  HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Actually, it is very sad that this world is DRUGGING kids and babies.

http://ritalindeath.com/

http://www.aspire.us/pdf/special_collection/ADHDAsFraud.pdf
Jeff - 09 Apr 2007 02:19 GMT
>>>> >[note the lie in the first sentence].
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 65 lines]
>
> Like pushing ADHD drugs and even to very young kids.

I didn't say that all opinions that psychologists and other professionals
have are valuable.

>>> Or are you saying
>>> that only a doctor can advise on what is dangerous and what is not?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> First there was a question to Peter (lying) Bowditch, NOT you,,,,

This is a public forum. If I wish to answer, I am free answer. If  the
person did not want this in a public forum, there is email. Get a clue.

> And, of course, psychologists and other mental
>> health professions clearly have good advice when it comes to medication.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Actually, it is very sad that this world is DRUGGING kids and babies.

<garbage deleted>

I never claimed that all prescriptions of ADHD drugs are appropriate.

Jeff
Peter Bowditch - 09 Apr 2007 07:18 GMT
>>>>> >[note the lie in the first sentence].
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 79 lines]
>This is a public forum. If I wish to answer, I am free answer. If  the
>person did not want this in a public forum, there is email. Get a clue.

I hereby grant perpetual permission for anyone who wants to to reply
to messages addressed to me by kooks and loons.

>> And, of course, psychologists and other mental
>>> health professions clearly have good advice when it comes to medication.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>Jeff
>>
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Bill Hanna - 01 May 2007 15:01 GMT
.

>However, in most places, all prescriptions must be made by a physician. In
>some places, psychologists may be allowed to write prescriptions.

Not true. In MANY parts of the world (including much of Europe)
Parmacists can proscribe. most drugs.

IMHO that is much better than our ssystem here in the USA.
--
Bill

"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition"  -- M.Python --.
Mark Probert - 03 May 2007 03:43 GMT
> .
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Not true. In MANY parts of the world (including much of Europe)
> Parmacists can proscribe. most drugs.

Only alternative pharmacists PROscribe drugs. Science based pharmacists
prescribe drugs.

> IMHO that is much better than our ssystem here in the USA.
> --
> Bill
>
> "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition"  -- M.Python --.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. - 03 May 2007 10:56 GMT
Pro-science based professionals would surely tell you to get your
facts right, just once!!   The FACT of the matter is that teen abuse
of prescription drugs has reached epidemic proportions!  Can anything
be done,
YES, and it will be done if we can get through to the mass of
population about this incredible THREAT
to all young people!!  If we do not succeed, it could be the END of
an entire generation!!
We must NOT allow that to happen.  Of course there is the Iron-Fist of
the Pro-Med Lobby that Proby and his Cult represent!

> > .
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> >
> > "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition"  -- M.Python --.
Mark Probert - 03 May 2007 13:05 GMT
> Pro-science based professionals would surely tell you to get your
> facts right, just once!!  

I know that is your goal, after you learn what a fact is.

The FACT of the matter is that teen abuse
> of prescription drugs has reached epidemic proportions!  

Media coverage of this issue has reached epidemic proportions because it
is "sexy." However, like the moron you are, you confuse abuse with
proper use. Typical of jerks like you.

Can anything
> be done,
> YES, and it will be done if we can get through to the mass of
> population about this incredible THREAT
>  to all young people!!  If we do not succeed, it could be the END of
> an entire generation!!

You have been raving over this for more than a generation and things
seem to be just fine.

> We must NOT allow that to happen.  Of course there is the Iron-Fist of
> the Pro-Med Lobby that Proby and his Cult represent!

The only iron is in the form of iron oxide that is between your years.

>>> .
>>>> However, in most places, all prescriptions must be made by a physician. In
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>>>
>>> "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition"  -- M.Python --.
Jan Drew - 09 Apr 2007 01:05 GMT
>> >[note the lie in the first sentence].
>>
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
> that only a doctor can advise on what is dangerous and what is not?
> That's also the lie.

Peter is famous for asking questions, he very well should and does know
about.

I have posted plenty.  Peter trolls me with nearly every post, he's sore
because I have proven him a liar many times.
Ann - 09 Apr 2007 01:26 GMT
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:

>I have posted plenty.  Peter trolls me with nearly every post, he's sore
>because I have proven him a liar many times.

You have never proved a damned thing.
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Jeff - 09 Apr 2007 02:16 GMT
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:
>
>>I have posted plenty.  Peter trolls me with nearly every post, he's sore
>>because I have proven him a liar many times.
>
> You have never proved a damned thing.

I disagree. She has proven that she does not understand science or medicine.

jeff
Ann - 09 Apr 2007 12:27 GMT
"Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> expounded:

>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>jeff

Point taken!
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jandew6 - 12 Apr 2007 08:06 GMT
>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> jeff
Gosh, yet again the village idiots has nothing at all to say about the
subject of the thread.
Peter Bowditch - 12 Apr 2007 08:27 GMT
>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Gosh, yet again the village idiots has nothing at all to say about the
>subject of the thread.

Congratulations on recognising your problem, Jan. I see that you have
now made it to Step 5.

4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.

5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact
nature of our wrongs.
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Jan Drew - 12 Apr 2007 10:05 GMT
>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Congratulations on recognising your problem, Jan. I see that you have
> now made it to Step 5.

Aww gee tank ya......

> 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
>
> 5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact
> nature of our wrongs.

Now, that's funny coming from you who believes there is no God.

Thanks once again, Mate for showing you are ignoring me...er I mean trolling
me.
You just keep proving me correct.

Toodle do for now old chap..

Oh, btw, methinks you said nothing of the sort to Roselind//fake/Cathyb when
she stated the above.
Peter Bowditch - 12 Apr 2007 13:45 GMT
>>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
>Now, that's funny coming from you who believes there is no God.

I was merely quoting a couple of the Twelve Steps. Quoting it says
nothing about my belief in God.

>Thanks once again, Mate for showing you are ignoring me...er I mean trolling
>me.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Oh, btw, methinks you said nothing of the sort to Roselind//fake/Cathyb when
>she stated the above.

Thanks for the memory. I had almost forgotten how stupid you looked
when you used to pretend that Cathy and Rosalind were the same person.

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Jan Drew - 12 Apr 2007 17:37 GMT
>>>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:
>>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> I was merely quoting a couple of the Twelve Steps. Quoting it says
> nothing about my belief in God.

That would mean you do not believe in the twelve steps....
You just use them when convenient, like trolling.

>>Thanks once again, Mate for showing you are ignoring me...er I mean
>>trolling
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Thanks for the memory. I had almost forgotten how stupid you looked
> when you used to pretend that Cathy and Rosalind were the same person.

Actually, the is not about anyone who said what it is about Teen abuse of
prescription drugs on the rise.
You diversions are dully noted, as is you ignoring me.

Hellooooooooooo, Mark MD, that is NOW and has earlier been proven to be a
lie.  Make a note of it.
Peter Bowditch - 12 Apr 2007 21:41 GMT
>>>>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:
>>>>>>>
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>>
>That would mean you do not believe in the twelve steps....

No, it would not mean that at all, but thanks for playing.

>You just use them when convenient, like trolling.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>Actually, the is not about anyone who said what it is about Teen abuse of
>prescription drugs on the rise.

Remedial English, Jan. Book into a class. You don't have to wait until
you have completed all twelve steps at the other meetings.

>You diversions are dully noted, as is you ignoring me.

You claim that I am both stalking you and ignoring you? Put a higher
priority on those English classes.

>Hellooooooooooo, Mark MD, that is NOW and has earlier been proven to be a
>lie.  Make a note of it.
>
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Peter Bowditch - 13 Apr 2007 22:09 GMT
>You diversions are dully noted, as is you ignoring me.

I don't know how I missed this the first time through, but thank you
Jan for the admission that you note things "dully".

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Ann - 12 Apr 2007 11:54 GMT
"jandew6" <jandrew6@verzion.net> expounded:

>Gosh, yet again the village idiots has nothing at all to say about the
>subject of the thread.

Because the subject of the thread isn't worth discussing with you and
has nothing to do with the support of people with ADHD or those
dealing with someone with ADHD.  
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Jan Drew - 12 Apr 2007 17:37 GMT
> "jandew6" <jandrew6@verzion.net> expounded:
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> has nothing to do with the support of people with ADHD or those
> dealing with someone with ADHD.

Incorrect.  It IS about ADHD drugs.
Ann - 13 Apr 2007 03:09 GMT
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:

>> "jandew6" <jandrew6@verzion.net> expounded:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Incorrect.  It IS about ADHD drugs.

Try to comprehend my post, Jan.  ASAD is for support, something you
have never offered.  Your constant spamming rants to all support
newsgroups are always completely off-topic.  
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Jan Drew - 14 Apr 2007 02:35 GMT
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:
>
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> have never offered.  Your constant spamming rants to all support
> newsgroups are always completely off-topic.

What spamming?

Do show us.  I post here because I do NOT believe in drugging kids.  Plus
the fact that ADHD drugs
are a money maker of the big wigs.  Then there is the FACT they are easy to
get.  They come straight from the MD''s and shrinks, too easy to get leads
to abuse.

You seem to have little to say about the subject, which is not me.
Next you mention I have never shown support, that is incorrect.  I helped a
homeless person,  who was a member of this group (I didn't know) while the
majority of this so-called *support* group did not help their own.
Ann - 15 Apr 2007 18:45 GMT
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:

> I helped a
>homeless person,  who was a member of this group (I didn't know) while the
>majority of this so-called *support* group did not help their own.

Homeless member of which group, Jan?  Careful, because we all know the
story in ASAD of one who became homeless, and many of us helped her.
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jandew6 - 15 Apr 2007 23:51 GMT
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:
>
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>
> Homeless member of which group, Jan?

****a member of this group****

Careful, because we all know the
> story in ASAD of one who became homeless, and many of us helped her.

Who is us?  Fuuny how Inever seen your name mentioned when she thanked
others.

You are the one who needs to be careful.
Mark Probert - 16 Apr 2007 00:49 GMT
> Who is us?  Fuuny how Inever seen your name mentioned when she thanked
> others.

Some people provide help and do not go running around bragging about it.
They just do it.
Twittering One - 16 Apr 2007 01:00 GMT
Mark said:
> Some people provide help and do not go running around bragging about it.
> They just do it.

I assume you got my email today, about the injury of my hand in
Bellevue Hospital, from excessive force?

I hope your son is never in the positon as I, and put into a place
like that. Take legal precautions now to protect him; I am sure you
likely have done so. Get back up.
Twittering One - 16 Apr 2007 01:03 GMT
> Mark said:
>
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> like that. Take legal precautions now to protect him; I am sure you
> likely have done so. Get back up.

What happened to me should not happen to ANYONE, under ANY conditions.
Mark Probert - 16 Apr 2007 14:11 GMT
>> Mark said:
>>
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>
> What happened to me should not happen to ANYONE, under ANY conditions.

Agreed. I hope you are following up with NYS.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. - 16 Apr 2007 09:50 GMT
Proby, these are support groups and if you want, I would be willing to
ask Jan about your case, but ONLY
if you promise to do exactly what she recommends!!  Yes, she has
helped many people from ALL
walks of life, even the homeless, the depressed, the psychosomatics,
and those with symptoms
that have vastly improved because of her honest and scientific
information.  Jan will be here
when you are ready to start The Program!

> > Who is us?  Fuuny how Inever seen your name mentioned when she thanked
> > others.
>
> Some people provide help and do not go running around bragging about it.
> They just do it.
Mark Probert - 16 Apr 2007 13:49 GMT
On Apr 16, 4:50 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
<scie...@zzz.com> wrote:

Nothing worth quoting
Jeff - 16 Apr 2007 14:30 GMT
> Proby, these are support groups and if you want, I would be willing to
> ask Jan about your case, but ONLY
> if you promise to do exactly what she recommends!!

I don't see why Mark needs support groups.

He doesn't have any problems.

However, even if he did, promising to do what Jan recommends is NOT a good
idea.

>  Yes, she has
> helped many people from ALL
> walks of life, even the homeless, the depressed, the psychosomatics,
> and those with symptoms
> that have vastly improved because of her honest and scientific
> information.

I think you don't undestand Jan well.

> Jan will be here
> when you are ready to start The Program!

Thanks for the laughs.

Jeff

>> > Who is us?  Fuuny how Inever seen your name mentioned when she thanked
>> > others.
>>
>> Some people provide help and do not go running around bragging about it.
>> They just do it.
Jan Drew - 17 Apr 2007 06:33 GMT
>> Proby, these are support groups and if you want, I would be willing to
>> ask Jan about your case, but ONLY
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>
> He doesn't have any problems.

It is your habit to be deaf, blind and dumb.

I don't suppose you saw any lies in his words that I posted just yesterday?

Btw, you have not answered my request for you to be specific about your
claim.

Mark made the below up and you think he has no problem......

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/fd1d77b2457daa73

> However, even if he did, promising to do what Jan recommends is NOT a good
> idea.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>>> Some people provide help and do not go running around bragging about it.
>>> They just do it.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. - 17 Apr 2007 07:53 GMT
> > Proby, these are support groups and if you want, I would be willing to
> > ask Jan about your case, but ONLY
> > if you promise to do exactly what she recommends!!
>
> I don't see why Mark needs support groups.

I would strongly suggest that you leave these groups immediately.  You
obviously are supporting
somebody who will not seek help, which must mean you desperately need
help also.
I will ask Jan is she will take your case also, but you, like Proby,
must do exactly
everything she recommends to the letter!

> He doesn't have any problems.

Wrong.  I am the expert here, not you!!

> However, even if he did, promising to do what Jan recommends is NOT a good
> idea.

False.

> >  Yes, she has
> > helped many people from ALL
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>
> I think you don't undestand Jan well.

Yes I do, it is you who do not understand her ability to offer REAL
asssistance and proper health care!

> > Jan will be here
> > when you are ready to start The Program!
>
> Thanks for the laughs.
>
> Jeff

If it's a joke you want, it's a joke you get, how many crack-pots does
it take ...awww. for get it,
the answer was Proby anyway!!

> >> > Who is us?  Fuuny how Inever seen your name mentioned when she thanked
> >> > others.
> >>
> >> Some people provide help and do not go running around bragging about it.
> >> They just do it.
Mark Probert - 18 Apr 2007 03:37 GMT
> I would strongly suggest that you leave these groups immediately.

Practice what you preach.
Mark Probert - 18 Apr 2007 03:31 GMT
>> Proby, these are support groups and if you want, I would be willing to
>> ask Jan about your case, but ONLY
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> He doesn't have any problems.

I began posting in a.support.a.d. because of the needs of my son.

After more than 16 years of dealing with his problems, I share what I
learned to provide support for others.

fARTIE  does not know the meaning of the word support. He cuts and
pastes it, and he cannot spell it.

fARTIE manipulates people who he thinks are mentally unbalanced to do
his nefarious deeds.
Jeff - 18 Apr 2007 15:07 GMT
<...>

> I began posting in a.support.a.d. because of the needs of my son.
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> fARTIE manipulates people who he thinks are mentally unbalanced to do his
> nefarious deeds.

I hate to say this, but when you start calling people names (e.g., fARTIE),
you start to lose the battle.

You talk about his not providing support.

Well, name-calling, is not very mature and creates a hostile environment.

Jeff
Ann - 18 Apr 2007 19:36 GMT
"Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> expounded:

>I hate to say this, but when you start calling people names (e.g., fARTIE),
>you start to lose the battle.
>
>You talk about his not providing support.
>
>Well, name-calling, is not very mature and creates a hostile environment.

Jeff, do you know the history of fArty?  Because if you did you'd
understand the nickname.  He's a longtime Usenet troll who has used so
many names I can't even remember them - the best was Dr. Richard
Frager, and he got into bigtime legal trouble - well, it's explained
much better in the post below:

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In message <WZk8h.4094$7a2.126@trndny06>, Mark Probert
<markprobert@lumbercartel.com> writes
>Card XII wrote:
>> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <science@zzz.com> wrote in
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>You may wish to read the FragerFAQ, which is a bit dated. fArtie used
>to think (usual disclaimer) that he is a doctor....

Weeell, yes, FArtie, or Fraggie or Kolnick did once pretend to be a
doctor, and he did hand out bad advice. He was booted from one ISP for
this, and from another for unfairly quoting excessive amounts of
printed  work in Usenet. So this should make him best of friends with
Gorat - please see her film, or she will be execut - as she loves a
medical doctor, but not the real thing.

Let's see some more links... ...because I spotted a reappearance way
back, after one of his disappearances, I collected some evidence of
the bogus doctor, who is in good company with the other bogus
'qualified'
kooks in these groups:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.alien.visitors/msg/eed75eba652ebd31
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.alien.visitors/msg/367018115f8e20fa?dmode=source
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.alien.visitors/msg/eed75eba652ebd31?dmode=source
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.alien.research/msg/67d431364fa2ec88
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/23e2a75dd20fc9a5
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:*.sex.*+author:smcqueen%40cyberhighway.n
et&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&filter=0


Followup set to a forum that is more appropriate to Jerry Kolnick.

>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/browse_frm/threa
>d/ea9f8cabf26ed12f/b12403ddcb67e037?lnk=st&q=&rnum=5&hl=en#b12403ddcb67e
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>
>http://tinyurl.com/yf84nl

- --
Peter

Master of The Inverted Placebo
1 year 10 months.

In article <5p7f5h$6qb$1@host-3.cyberhighway.net>, "Dr. Richard X.
Frager" <smqueen@cyberhighway.net> writes
<snip>
>It is always a delight to hear from you, Cognitee.  You are
extremely
>well respected and a cherished member of the Usenet Community
>plus your words carry considerable weight.

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Jeff - 18 Apr 2007 20:35 GMT
> "Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> expounded:
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Frager, and he got into bigtime legal trouble - well, it's explained
> much better in the post below:

It's well explained, but my conclusion still stands.

Jeff
Ann - 18 Apr 2007 20:55 GMT
"Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> expounded:

>> "Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> expounded:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>Jeff

Your conclusion is ill-founded.  Defend those worthy of defense.
Trolls are not worthy.  We've been putting up with Kolnick's BS for
over 12 years now.  Trolls like him are what bring support groups to
their knees.
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Jan Drew - 19 Apr 2007 03:56 GMT
> "Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> expounded:
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> over 12 years now.  Trolls like him are what bring support groups to
> their knees.

Jeff's conclusion makes peerfect sense and is NOT ill-founded.

OTOH, you call those with whom you disagee..a*troll*.

     Groups    View all web results ยป    Results 1 - 35 of 35 for "troll"
author:annbal@newsguy.com

That's only under this name.....
Jan Drew - 19 Apr 2007 03:51 GMT
>> "Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> expounded:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Jeff
Indeed.  Name calling is of no value and immature.
Jan Drew - 19 Apr 2007 03:46 GMT
> "Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> expounded:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>
> Jeff, do you know the history of fArty?

Ann is just another name caller.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. - 19 Apr 2007 10:08 GMT
Not only is she a name-caller, a troll, but she is obviously not
balanced.  These newsgroups are the worst place for her, because she
lashes out against anybody she disagrees with.  Her cult only
encourages her bad behaviour.  He tolerate her, because it only proves
everything we have said.  But the Pro-Med Lobby hates facts and
distorts them.  I pity people like Ann, because she will not seek real
therapy or listen to your sound and scientific advice.  Proby is now
so delusional, he cannot tell the difference anymore between reality
and fantasy. Even the other members of his group: i.e. Porno, Palmer
and Stan have given up.  Thankfully they are no longer here.  But
sadly, Sara Freeman and other honest posters have been hounded out by
these obvious trolls.  But we will not give up no matter how many lies
they post.

> > "Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> expounded:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Ann is just another name caller.
Jeff - 19 Apr 2007 11:56 GMT
> Not only is she a name-caller, a troll, but she is obviously not
> balanced.  These newsgroups are the worst place for her, because she
> lashes out against anybody she disagrees with.

About whom are you talking?

I think you mean Ann, but you have described Jan Drew.

Jeff
<...>
jandew6 - 20 Apr 2007 06:10 GMT
>> Not only is she a name-caller, a troll, but she is obviously not
>> balanced.  These newsgroups are the worst place for her, because she
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Jeff
> <...>

"Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message

news:pqfVh.9896$IG1.4432@trndny07...
<...>

> I began posting in a.support.a.d. because of the needs of my son.

> After more than 16 years of dealing with his problems, I share what I
> learned to provide support for others.

> fARTIE  does not know the meaning of the word support. He cuts and pastes
> it, and he cannot spell it.

> fARTIE manipulates people who he thinks are mentally unbalanced to do his
> nefarious deeds.

I hate to say this, but when you start calling people names (e.g., fARTIE),
you start to lose the battle.

You talk about his not providing support.

Well, name-calling, is not very mature and creates a hostile environment.

Jeff
Mark Probert - 19 Apr 2007 13:33 GMT
> Not only is she a name-caller, a troll, but she is obviously not
> balanced.  These newsgroups are the worst place for her, because she
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> and Stan have given up.  Thankfully they are no longer here.  But
> sadly, Sara Freeman

Ms. Freedman left after she realized how you were abusing her and trying
to manipulate her.
Mark Probert - 19 Apr 2007 03:53 GMT
> "Jeff" <news@googlemail.c

Ann, this is like one stop shopping for FoF (Facts on Fartie).

om> expounded:

>> I hate to say this, but when you start calling people names (e.g., fARTIE),
>> you start to lose the battle.
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> =8XWl
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Jan Drew - 19 Apr 2007 03:48 GMT
> <...>
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Jeff
Thank you, Jeff, I agree and this shows integrity to speak up.
Mark Probert - 19 Apr 2007 03:52 GMT
> <...>
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> I hate to say this, but when you start calling people names (e.g.,
> fARTIE), you start to lose the battle.

I use fArtie as a description of the flatulence he posts. Flatulence
adds only a stink to the environment and nothing more. That is what he
does, and it is a play on WholeFlaffer.

> You talk about his not providing support.

It is far more than that. He abuses those whom he sees as weak minded or
mentally ill. He manipulates those people as if he believes that are his
puppets. He does not provide support, but does provide detriment.

> Well, name-calling, is not very mature and creates a hostile environment.

See above.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. - 19 Apr 2007 10:03 GMT
We have tried over the years to reach out to Mark.  He did finally
admit himself to a mental-health facility, and when he got out he
seemed to be much better.  Now he has digressed to a terrible degree.
His so-called "team" Wright and Ann, only encourage his bad
behaviour.  He is now not only delusional, but the constant facts
about him that Jan posts, must be having a profound effect.  I
encourage him, and his cult, to leave these groups to the true
experts, such as Jan and myself.  Members of his sect, such as Palmer,
Parsons, and Stan, have all left, and now it is his turn to say
goodbye and seek real help!

> <...>
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Jeff
Jeff - 19 Apr 2007 11:55 GMT
<...>

> I
> encourage him, and his cult, to leave these groups to the true
> experts, such as Jan and myself.

ROTFL.

You and Jan experts! You should try stand-up commedy with this material.

 Jeff
Mark Probert - 19 Apr 2007 13:35 GMT
> <...>
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> You and Jan experts! You should try stand-up commedy with this material.

Hmmm..he should try standing up and walking away from he
computer...forget the comedy.
Mark Probert - 19 Apr 2007 13:34 GMT
> We have tried over the years to reach out to Mark.  He did finally
> admit himself to a mental-health facility,

That is a bald faced lie. You need to hold onto reality with BOTH HANDS,
since when you let go to type, you lose it.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. - 21 Apr 2007 10:53 GMT
Is it Mark?  Have it your way, that really doesn't change the facts.
I can guarantee that Jan, and even Sara who you drove out of this
group, would strongly recommend that you seek immediate help.  Again,
I would be only to happy to ask Jan about your case, but also again,
you must do exactly what she says.  Jan has exposed you with facts,
not made up gargabe that you seem to like to repeat, using the old
hitlerian-nixonian tactic that repeating lies make it truth.  Sorry
Charlie, only you and your pretend friends believe it.  Mark, that is
called delusional and you suffer from this, as does Ann.

> > We have tried over the years to reach out to Mark.  He did finally
> > admit himself to a mental-health facility,
>
> That is a bald faced lie. You need to hold onto reality with BOTH HANDS,
> since when you let go to type, you lose it.
Ann - 21 Apr 2007 11:15 GMT
"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <science@zzz.com> expounded:

>Is it Mark?  Have it your way, that really doesn't change the facts.
>I can guarantee that Jan, and even Sara who you drove out of this
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Charlie, only you and your pretend friends believe it.  Mark, that is
>called delusional and you suffer from this, as does Ann.

So you think you can erase years of Usenet history by claiming Mark
and I are delusional?  That's funny!  Because anyone who follows any
of these groups for even a month knows who the truly delusional one
is.  And funny thing is it isn't Jan or any of the other 'allies' you
claim to have but really just use for your own trollish intents.  It's
you, fArty,  

Actually calling you delusional isn't fair to those with real mental
illness.  Because you use them for your own intentions.  It's sad,
really, that somehow you continue to find ISPs that allow your
trolling of Usenet.  But money talks, doesn't it?
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Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. - 21 Apr 2007 17:21 GMT
Ann, I am not even going to counter your flat-out false accusations
except to say these few things: you cannot hound out truth-tellers
such as Jan.  The days of steam-rolling over honest posters and then
acting like an innocent person are over.  The TRUTH WILL OUT!   Your
silly post speaks for itself.  Your cult has lost many members: Porno,
Palmer, Stanley and morel they have had enough of your nonsense!  I
would strongly suggest that we work together, but that is the last
thing your nazi-esque group wants, it wants total control.  Thank GOD
Jan is here to direct this group to truth, honesty and real support!!
The direction of this tread has been lost, I will return it, teen
abuse of prescription drugs is on the RISE, we must stop it!!

> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <science@zzz.com> expounded:
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> really, that somehow you continue to find ISPs that allow your
> trolling of Usenet.  But money talks, doesn't it?
Ann - 21 Apr 2007 17:23 GMT
"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <science@zzz.com> expounded:

> Thank GOD
>Jan is here to direct this group to truth, honesty and real support!!

Which group, you idiot?  

And by the way, no one leads any groups on Usenet, let alone you or
Jan.
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Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. - 21 Apr 2007 17:40 GMT
Yes, you are right, I meant to say groups, but I assumed that was
understood.  As for as leading the ASAD group,
I would be only too happy to be the de-facto moderator.  I have always
said that that group should have a moderator and that it should be a
closed group.  That way, we could keep the crack-pots out and the
honest posters in.  Good suggestions Ann.  This is the kind of
"working together" I always preached and practiced.  Not name calling
people, as Proby love to do.

> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <science@zzz.com> expounded:
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Ann
> e-mail address is not checked
Jeff - 21 Apr 2007 18:41 GMT
> Yes, you are right, I meant to say groups, but I assumed that was
> understood.  As for as leading the ASAD group,
> I would be only too happy to be the de-facto moderator.  I have always
> said that that group should have a moderator and that it should be a
> closed group.  That way, we could keep the crack-pots out and the
> honest posters in.

Then you would not be able to approve any of your posts.

>  Good suggestions Ann.  This is the kind of
> "working together" I always preached and practiced.  Not name calling
> people, as Proby love to do.

I see you have joined mark (you called him "proby") in name calling. See, my
belief that you would not be allowed to approve your own posts is supported.

Jeff
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. - 22 Apr 2007 11:03 GMT
> > Yes, you are right, I meant to say groups, but I assumed that was
> > understood.  As for as leading the ASAD group,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Then you would not be able to approve any of your posts.

Completely wrong, but nice try.  Although I would give you this, most
of the crack-pot posts, including those from the 3-Boyz, would NOT be
allowed!

> >  Good suggestions Ann.  This is the kind of
> > "working together" I always preached and practiced.  Not name calling
> > people, as Proby love to do.
>
> I see you have joined mark (you called him "proby") in name calling. See, my
> belief that you would not be allowed to approve your own posts is supported.

Again, totally wrong.  Proby always goes to the gutter level, for
example, farts and ass-holes, I always keep mine civil, something
Proby will never understand, because he is seriously disturbed.  Jan
has proven that many many times over.

> Jeff
Mark Probert - 23 Apr 2007 04:00 GMT
>>> Yes, you are right, I meant to say groups, but I assumed that was
>>> understood.  As for as leading the ASAD group,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> of the crack-pot posts, including those from the 3-Boyz, would NOT be
> allowed!

Typical behavior, trying to censor those who take him to task for his
stupidity.

fArtie, let me make it perfectly clear:I love your posts! They are the
best evidence that your "side" is infested with morons, abusers,
manipulators, etc.

Please do keep it up. With your help, I do not have to work very hard to
show that the anti-med people are crazy.

Just a warning, though, one day, your fellow loons will decide that you
are a detriment to them, and since they are not in touch with reality,
you will be in danger.

In the mean time, keep up the good work.

>>>  Good suggestions Ann.  This is the kind of
>>> "working together" I always preached and practiced.  Not name calling
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>> Jeff
Mark Probert - 21 Apr 2007 12:11 GMT
> Is it Mark?  Have it your way, that really doesn't change the facts.

Every post of your just proves you are an a.shole.

> I can guarantee that , and even Sara who you drove out of this
> group,

Which group of the four that this is cross posted to would that be.

And, asswipe, Sara left on her own accord after realizing how you were
manipulating her for years.

> would strongly recommend that you seek immediate help.  Again,
> I would be only to happy to ask about your case, but also again,
> you must do exactly what she says.  has exposed you with facts,
> not made up gargabe that you seem to like to repeat, using the old
> hitlerian-nixonian tactic that repeating lies make it truth.

Now, now, fArtie, do not claim others do what you do. It is a sure sign
of mental illness.

 Sorry
> Charlie, only you and your pretend friends believe it.  Mark, that is
> called delusional and you suffer from this, as does Ann.

Like I said, USE BOTH HANDS TO HOLD ONTO REALITY.

Personally, I do not think that there is enough duct tape in the
universe to attach you to reality.

>>> We have tried over the years to reach out to Mark.  He did finally
>>> admit himself to a mental-health facility,
>> That is a bald faced lie. You need to hold onto reality with BOTH HANDS,
>> since when you let go to type, you lose it.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. - 21 Apr 2007 17:14 GMT
> > Is it Mark?  Have it your way, that really doesn't change the facts.
>
> Every post of your just proves you are an a.shole.

That's the best you can come up with?  Very, very sad :<

> > I can guarantee that , and even Sara who you drove out of this
> > group,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> And, asswipe, Sara left on her own accord after realizing how you were
> manipulating her for years.

Demonstrably wrong, but you are an "expert" of making up facts out of
thin air!

> > would strongly recommend that you seek immediate help.  Again,
> > I would be only to happy to ask about your case, but also again,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Now, now, fArtie, do not claim others do what you do. It is a sure sign
> of mental illness.

Don't change the subject,let me ask Jan to offer her help to you!

>   Sorry
> > Charlie, only you and your pretend friends believe it.  Mark, that is
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Personally, I do not think that there is enough duct tape in the
> universe to attach you to reality.

I guess you think that is hilarious?  Very sad.  Bottom line: teen
abuse of prescription drugs is soaring and we must not let these crack-
pots dilute the message.

> >>> We have tried over the years to reach out to Mark.  He did finally
> >>> admit himself to a mental-health facility,
> >> That is a bald faced lie. You need to hold onto reality with BOTH HANDS,
> >> since when you let go to type, you lose it.

Aga
Mark Probert - 23 Apr 2007 04:18 GMT
>>> Is it Mark?  Have it your way, that really doesn't change the facts.
>> Every post of your just proves you are an a.shole.
>
> That's the best you can come up with?  Very, very sad :<

Nah..since you only post flatulence, I thought I would keep it close to
home for you.

>>> I can guarantee that , and even Sara who you drove out of this
>>> group,
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> Demonstrably wrong, but you are an "expert" of making up facts out of
> thin air!

Demonstrably? Do demonstrate. I will be waiting and hoping that for the
first time since the beginning of time, you actually prove one of your
claims. Have no fear, though, I will not be holding my breath waiting
for you to do so.

>>> would strongly recommend that you seek immediate help.  Again,
>>> I would be only to happy to ask about your case, but also again,
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>
> Don't change the subject,let me ask to offer her help to you!

fArtie, the only one who needs help is you, and that help should be in
the form of a total crainiectomy.

>>   Sorry
>>> Charlie, only you and your pretend friends believe it.  Mark, that is
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>
> I guess you think that is hilarious?  

No, idiot. Just very descriptive.

> Very sad.  Bottom line:

Yes, you know about bottom feeding.

teen
> abuse of prescription drugs is soaring and we must not let these crack-
> pots dilute the message.

Soaring? You mistake more articles about the problem for a soaring
incidence of the problem.

>>>>> We have tried over the years to reach out to Mark.  He did finally
>>>>> admit himself to a mental-health facility,
>>>> That is a bald faced lie. You need to hold onto reality with BOTH HANDS,
>>>> since when you let go to type, you lose it.
>
> Aga
Jan Drew - 17 Apr 2007 06:06 GMT
"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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>> Who is us?  Fuuny how Inever seen your name mentioned when she thanked
>> others.

Who wrote that, Mark?

>Some people provide help and do not go running around bragging about it.
>They just do it.

There was no bragging.  Some do nothing but offer excuses and make up
stories.
Ann - 16 Apr 2007 13:39 GMT
"jandew6" <jandrew6@verzion.net> expounded:

> ****a member of this group****

Again, Jan, a member of which group?  You've (as usual) crossposted
this to misc.health.alternative, alt.support.attn-deficit and
misc.kids.health,sci.med.  So, again, read for comprehension.  Which
group?

Many things are done without public acknowledgement, nor is any
necessary to feed my ego.  You seem to need it.
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Jan Drew - 17 Apr 2007 06:53 GMT
> "jandew6" <jandrew6@verzion.net> expounded:
>
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> misc.kids.health,sci.med.  So, again, read for comprehension.  Which
> group?

You can stop with the dance, everyone well knows exactly wich group had a
homeless person.

She was a memeber of asad who had posted here long before me and you know
it.

> Many things are done without public acknowledgement,

Knock off the crap.  It was well know, who where and when.

Subject: If You Would Like to Help Twittering One ...
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319 posts in that thread.

YOU did not care enough to post in the thread.

nor is any
> necessary to feed my ego.  You seem to need it.

My concern for one who is homeless came from the heart.  You've heard the
saying, put your
money where your mouth is.
Ann - 17 Apr 2007 11:50 GMT
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:

>> "jandew6" <jandrew6@verzion.net> expounded:
>>
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>You can stop with the dance, everyone well knows exactly wich group had a
>homeless person.

No, Jan, 'everyone' doesn't know that.  Only you are omnipotent.

>She was a memeber of asad who had posted here long before me and you know
>it.

Yes, now I know who you mean.

>> Many things are done without public acknowledgement,
>
>Knock off the crap.  It was well know, who where and when.

Oh yes, great one, you are truly magnificent.  And you know everything
about every situation.  

>Subject: If You Would Like to Help Twittering One ...
>Newsgroups: alt.astronomy, alt.support.attn-deficit, rec.running, sci.med,
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>
>YOU did not care enough to post in the thread.

Jan, this may amaze you, but people have lives outside of ASAD.  Try
it sometime!  You might be amazed.

>nor is any
>> necessary to feed my ego.  You seem to need it.
>
>My concern for one who is homeless came from the heart.  You've heard the
>saying, put your
>money where your mouth is.

It's not all about money, Jan.  Now get over yourself, quit patting
yourself on the back,.
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Jan Drew - 18 Apr 2007 07:23 GMT
"Ann" <annbal@newsguy.com> wrote :

[  ]

Garbage and lies.
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 17 Apr 2007 01:09 GMT
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:
>
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> Homeless member of which group, Jan?  Careful, because we all know the
> story in ASAD of one who became homeless, and many of us helped her.

Many of us helped her in various ways, and those many of those who
offered assistance didn't want it made public knowledge.

Kitten
Jan Drew - 17 Apr 2007 07:04 GMT
>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:
>>
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>
> Kitten

Hog wash.  YOU made it public knowledge, in fact every single one of you
need to ask yourselves
*why* T1 does not post on this so-called support group any more.

RL tried to get others to call her.  Very little interest was shown.

IMHO, this group should be ashamed of themselves.
Ann - 17 Apr 2007 11:51 GMT
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:

>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:
>>>
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>
>IMHO, this group should be ashamed of themselves.

Yea, Kitten, only Jan the Magnificent made any effort at all, all
others pale in comparison.
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Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 18 Apr 2007 01:17 GMT
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> expounded:
>
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> Yea, Kitten, only Jan the Magnificent made any effort at all, all
> others pale in comparison.

I know.  It's amazing how well she knows who is and isn't still in
contact, giving and receiving support to/from T1.

Kitten
Jan Drew - 18 Apr 2007 07:23 GMT
"Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe" <st_brigids_gate_farm@yahoo.com> wrote :

Nothing but a diversion from the topic.
Jan Drew - 18 Apr 2007 07:23 GMT
"Ann" <annbal@newsguy.com> wrote :

Nothing but a diversion and lies.
Ann - 18 Apr 2007 12:38 GMT
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:

>"Ann" <annbal@newsguy.com> wrote :
>
>Nothing but a diversion and lies.

No, it's a direct reply to you and your off-topic rants.
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Jan Drew - 19 Apr 2007 03:42 GMT
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> expounded:
>
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>>
> No, it's a direct reply to you and your off-topic rants.

It most definitely is a diversion...as *I* am not the subject.

Actually the subject should be of interest to all with kids and those taking
ADHD drugs.

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[note the lie in the first sentence].

http://www.wilsontimes.com/Wil_region/Local_News/288578972009350.php

They come in small amber-colored plastic bottles with labels, prescribed by
a doctor. They are safe when used properly by those for whom they are
prescribed.

That may one reason why nearly half of teenagers believe prescription
medication is safer to consume than marijuana, cocaine and other illicit
drugs.

Law enforcement agencies and other organizations in Wilson say this area
doesn't currently have a significant problem with teenage prescription drug
abuse. But if families don't take care to monitor their children,
authorities warn, that could change.

Prescription drug abuse in the U.S. is increasing and could surpass illicit
drug use, according to a report from Partnership for a Drug-Free N.C.

One in 10 teenagers in N.C. reported using prescription painkillers in the
last month, the organization said in a press release, and 40 percent of
teens believe prescription medications are less risky than drugs like
marijuana, heroin and cocaine.

"The crux of the problem, I believe, is teens think because a pharmaceutical
company made it, it's OK, it's not a street drug," said Phil Mooring,
executive director of Wilson Families in Action.

That misconception can have dangerous - even deadly - consequences. And the
accessibility of these medications to young people may be a contributing
factor to the growing problem of prescription drug abuse, Mooring said.

"Peer pressure, boredom, self-esteem issues, it's seen as the cool thing to
do; all these contribute to the temptation. If they want to use
(prescription drugs), it's easy to get," he said. "Most of it is coming from
their parents' medicine cabinets or the medicine cabinets of their friends."

AWARENESS OF A PROBLEM

Wilson Families in Action works with families to help prevent substance
abuse among children and adolescents. The agency isn't a counseling center,
Mooring said, but rather serves to educate and inform parents about
substance abuse.

"We do know that prescription drug abuse is a growing trend and folks at the
federal level are very concerned. Indicators are telling us this is
something we'd better get on top of," Mooring said. "You need to be aware of
whether your child is involved with risky behavior."

Teenagers who are using and abusing prescription medications may exhibit
similar sy