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Please sign Petition to Protect Access to Vitamins

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libertysilver@gmail.com - 03 Apr 2007 04:26 GMT
Please read and sign the following petition.
We are going to loose the ability to get
access to vitamins and supplements
if we do not act fast.
Here is the petition, get it to everyone you
know who cares about our Health Freedoms:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/373269232?ltl=1175570409
PeterB - 03 Apr 2007 14:39 GMT
On Apr 2, 11:26 pm, "libertysil...@gmail.com" <incomeg...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Please read and sign the following petition.
> We are going to loose the ability to get
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> http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/373269232?ltl=1175570409

I wasn't able to access your link, however I believe you are wasting
your time and you may be detracting from this important cause.  You
are right to say we must act fast, but it is too late for signing
petitions.  This is now a legal and evidentiary battle before the
courts.  If you want to make a difference, put your money to good use
and support the legal efforts of the Alliance for Natural Health
(http://www.alliance-natural-health.org) until the CODEX is
finalized.  Their legal work to prevent industry from introducing bias
into CODEX rulemaking is the only remedy we have.  Any other agency
involved in this campaign must forward funds to ANH or their efforts
will act to dilute our progress.  Regardless of anything else, CODEX
will be finalized.  The best we can do is to present the appropriate
science during court challenges so the drug makers are not handed a
victory.

PeterB
libertysilver@gmail.com - 07 Apr 2007 22:41 GMT
> On Apr 2, 11:26 pm, "libertysil...@gmail.com" <incomeg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> PeterB
Peter,
The link works fine.
When I read your response attempting to undermine John Hammell, it was
apparent that you are confused.
Or have a different agenda than Health Freedom.
So I wrote to John to get a response. He responds as follows.

__________________________________________
___________________________________________
John Hammell of http://IAHF.com responds to this nonsense:
IAHF will be presenting in Toronto Ontario Canada April 13-15
alongside Rob Verkerk of ANH, Scott Tips of NHF and several other
health freedom
fighters, all of whom are working together and collaborating on a
regular basis. See "Panel 3" under "Special Presentations"
http://www.consumerhealth.org/tothealth/

Rob Verkerk of ANH does not view their work in the UK and Europe as
being more important than IAHF's work in North America to expose and
stop
the FDA's Trilateral Cooperation Charter, he views these efforts as
being equally important, recognizing that the Codex threat is coming
at us from more than one angle. He'll be discussing this in the
keynote speach that he'll be delivering at the Total Health Show. His
speach will not focus solely on ANH's legal campaign in Europe. A WTO
trade dispute is not the sole means by which a country can be
harmonized to Codex, in fact, it may not even be the most likely
means- that is a legal grey area.

Peter B obviously fails to grasp that the FDA's Trilateral Cooperation
Charter is the means by which the FDA intends to usher Codex
restrictions into North America. He obviously fails to grasp that the
FDA's Trilateral Cooperation Charter has been acting as if a North
American Union were already in place. He obviously has not examined
the overly broad definition of "Health Fraud" contained within the
Trilateral Cooperation Charter- a definition which turns any substance
that has any physiological effect in the body into a "drug".
http://www.fda.gov/oia/charter.html He obviously fails to grasp the
implications of the M.U.C.H (Mexico-U.S.-Canada-Health Fraud Working
Group of the Trilateral Cooperation Charter) initiating more than 730
enforcement actions against dietary supplement companies over sale of
weight loss products by 2005.

There is nothing wrong with IAHF's strategy of pushing for
Congressional Oversight on the FDA's Trilateral Cooperation Charter as
a way of triggering additional oversight on the threatened North
American Union- both obviously threaten to scuttle the Dietary
Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994, setting the stage for
Canada/US/Mexico to be harmonized to Codex. IAHF's work is very
necessary, especially given the spin against it by the pharma
dominated vitamin trade associations which are doing nothing to oppose
Codex or regional harmonization which threatens to usher Codex in to
the USA.

ANH's legal campaign in Europe is without question important. If it
weren't, IAHF would not have done the fund raising to support it that
they did for a very long time, or made 3 trips to the UK and Europe to
work directly alongside Rob Verkerk- however it is not the only battle
being fought within the global health freedom movement.

It is the most important battle for anyone living in the EU, but it is
NOT the most important battle for people living in Canada, the US or
Mexico. Similarly, it is NOT the most important battle for people
living in New Zealand who are currently attempting to fend off the
yoke of Australian harmonization pressure. IAHF made three trips to
the UK and Europe to work directly with ANH to assist with their legal
efforts, but now IAHF recognizes the need to focus attention on
matters much closer to home. ANH understands this completely.

The big question in my mind here is who the hell is Peter B, and what
country is he in? What is his phone number? I'd really like to discuss
this with him in real time. As for my supposed "hiatus", I never left
the fray. I don't have that luxury. I have a genetic need for the
supplements I use and my back is to the wall. Anyone who knows me
realizes this. I was active behind the scenes for a 7 month period
during which time I was not visibly active to people on the IAHF list.
Just because there was a period of time a few years ago in which I
wasn't sending emails to the IAHF list doesn't mean I ever left the
fray- I was communicating extensively within the inner sanctum of
activists around the world with whom I work most closely, doing some
very important work that I wasn't at liberty to discuss publicly.

Given that Rob Verkerk of ANH, Scott Tips of NHF, Marilyn Nelson of
Freedom in Canadian Health Care and others in
our inner sanctum group of health freedom leaders around the world
don't share Peter B's momentous conclusions about the work and
direction of IAHF , why should anyone else take him seriously? Who is
he, and by what authority does he presume to speak? I am offended by
his ignorant comments and would appreciate an immediate apology. I
would also like to know his phone number, physical address and email
address.
_______________________________________

Anyone reading this please sign John Hammells petition
here:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/373269232?ltl=1175570409
And please join the mailing list at http://iahf.com
and please visit http://nocodexgenocide.com and
join the group that is fighting for health freedom in the US.
John does know what he is doing and is allied with
ANH.  Whoever you are Peter B, you shot yourself in the foot with this
one.
Jan Drew - 08 Apr 2007 02:59 GMT
"libertysilver@gmail.com" <incomegena@gmail.com> wrote :

I am offended by
his ignorant comments and would appreciate an immediate apology. I
would also like to know his phone number, physical address and email
address.

Umm, wake up!

http://www.iahf.com/20040611.html

http://www.iahf.com/world/20020313.html

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2003/11/15/fda_misses_risky_business.htm

http://www.newstarget.com/z004728.html

http://www.cancertutor.com/WarBetween/War_Fda.html
Mark Probert - 08 Apr 2007 04:15 GMT
> "libertysilver@gmail.com" <incomegena@gmail.com> wrote :
>
>  I am offended by
> his ignorant comments and would appreciate an immediate apology. I
> would also like to know his phone number, physical address and email
> address.

I am sure Petey will post his just as soon as you post yours.

However, you are not alone, Petey is multi-sensory offensive, and what
he does to logic violates the Conventions against torture.
Mark Probert - 08 Apr 2007 04:04 GMT
>> On Apr 2, 11:26 pm, "libertysil...@gmail.com" <incomeg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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> When I read your response attempting to undermine John Hammell, it was
> apparent that you are confused.

You have just got to be wrong. Not our Petey, a/k/a Boogers4Brains.

> Or have a different agenda than Health Freedom.

HIs sponsors in BigSupplement do not want you discussing this.

> So I wrote to John to get a response. He responds as follows.

You are my kind of guy. Setting Petey B4B straight.

Keep up the good work, and watchout for those nut cases promoting weirdo
conspiracies.

> __________________________________________
> ___________________________________________
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> ANH.  Whoever you are Peter B, you shot yourself in the foot with this
> one.
PeterB - 09 Apr 2007 15:34 GMT
On Apr 7, 5:41 pm, "libertysil...@gmail.com" <incomeg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> > On Apr 2, 11:26 pm, "libertysil...@gmail.com" <incomeg...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
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> When I read your response attempting to undermine John Hammell, it was
> apparent that you are confused.

This is not about John Hammell.  The best use of public resources in
the fight to achieve a balanced CODEX is through the legal efforts of
ANH.  I do not believe this "undermines" the efforts of IAHF to raise
public awareness about the proposed North American Union and the
FTAA.  On the IAHF website under the "Take Action Here" link, John
says "we can only stop Codex from being forced on us if we can
preserve our sovereignty."  This, in my view, represents the
distraction.  Regardless of FTAA passage, America's WTO membership
will not be annuled and it will not escape the affects of CODEX simply
because of a petition.  The American Congress is not asleep on these
issues, they are party to them.  ANH is the best hope we have in terms
of balancing the affects of CODEX, and nothing, absolutely nothing, is
going to stop CODEX from reaching American shores.

> Or have a different agenda than Health Freedom.
> So I wrote to John to get a response. He responds as follows.
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> don't share Peter B's momentous conclusions about the work and
> direction of IAHF...

I am aware of your collaboration with Verkerk and the others and I
applaud whatever synergies you have together.  I don't subscribe to
your view of an "inner sanctum," however, as I find that language to
be elitist.  In your role as "one of many," you should not feel
contemptuous toward those who suggest a more democratic presentation
to readers.  A reference to the work of ANH and a link to them in your
fund-raising area would be evidence of a shared mission.  I like the
petition, John, however any suggestion that America might avoid CODEX
is simply wishful thinking.

> , why should anyone else take him seriously? Who is
> he, and by what authority does he presume to speak? I am offended by
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