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The Real Cancer Healers and the Future of Medicine (Overcoming the Myths of Standard Treatment)
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PeterB - 27 Mar 2007 19:18 GMT HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL
Since 1963, one hundred thousand patients have been treated at the Oasis of Hope Hospital founded by Dr. Ernesto Contreras, Sr.. Patients have come here from every part of the world seeking cancer therapies and treatment approaches pioneered by the Contreras doctors, specifically the Metabolic Therapy . Dr. Contreras called his cancer therapy "metabolic" because it enhances normal function of organs while provoking an adverse environment for malignant cells. This is accomplished through a treatment program that provides detoxification, natural anti-tumor agents such as laetrile, whole foods and juices, emotional and spiritual support, and immune stimulation from vitamins, minerals, phytochemicals and enzymes.
In 1981, we conducted a retrospective study to document the five-year survival rates of our cancer patients. It is important to note that 95 percent of these patients came to us with stage IV cancers after conventional therapy had failed to help them. They had been sent home to die. We treated them with our metabolic therapy and the results were encouraging. Our overall five-year survival rate for all types of cancer was 30 percent. We also noted that 86 percent of our patients outlived their prognosis and reported an improvement in their quality of life.
Malignancies in the lung, breast, colon and prostate are the most prevalent in our experience. For this reason, we designed a prospective study on the efficacy of metabolic therapy focused on these advanced stage IV cancers. In the table below, we compare our results against those from clinical trials with conventional therapies.
Type of cancer / Distant1 Number of patients / 5 yr. survival rate (%) Lung Cancer 200 .................................Oasis: 30% / Conventional: 2% Breast Cancer 130 .................................Oasis: 39% / Conventional: 21% Colon Cancer 150 .................................Oasis: 30% / Conventional: 8% Prostate Cancer 600 .................................Oasis: 86% / Conventional: 33%
1. Distant: A malignant cancer that has spread to parts of the body remote from the primary tumor either by direct extension or by discontinuous metastasis to distant organs, tissues, or via the lymphatic system to distant lymph nodes.
2. Source: American Cancer Society Cancer Facts & Figures 2001
The Oasis statistics when compared to the Conventional statistics are dramatically better. What makes these results astounding to me is the difference between the Oasis group and the Conventional group. The Oasis patients had already undergone surgery, radiation or chemotherapy. They had endured the hair loss, nausea, burns and devastation of their energy levels and immune systems. Those in the Conventional group had no previous treatment to damage their general condition. They had a fresh start. We can only speculate on the better results we could achieve with patients that would avoid conventional therapy before they arrive to the Oasis of Hope.
In spite of the impressive results, our studies were rejected by all peer reviewed medical journals. The only studies that these groups recognize are single drug double blind clinical trials. Our study just didn't meet those criteria. In fact, our results depend on a combination of therapies. This makes it difficult to single out one active agent, and this is the objective of cancer research. Scientists want to identify the means and we have focused completely on the end result.
Our results in lung cancer were so dramatic however that one group of oncological authorities did invite us to make a presentation at the World Congress on Cancer in Buenos Aires. Unfortunately, the Congress coordinators canceled our participation at the last minute due to opposition from some outspoken doctors. Once again, those who insisted that the results were secondary and that our study did not adhere to their guidelines were able to silence us.
In the past, financial restraints and negativity from the oncological community have hindered us from conducting standard double blind clinical trials. But the legal and medical environment is changing as more and more people demand access to alternative medicine. The governments in the USA and Mexico have already established offices of alternative medicine in their health departments. The Ministry of Health in Mexico has approved our application for a clinical research organization (CRO) and we are now positioning ourselves for research grants. We intend to conduct the necessary trials to publish the results in an effort to make valid therapies available to people in any part of the world.
We have never been on a crusade to prove the value of alternative therapies. In fact, we have often been criticized for our use of conventional medicine. We keep focused on our ultimate goal, the total well being of our patients. We try not to limit our patients to either alternative or orthodox therapies. We offer them what are the most effective and least harmful options. Our approach compliments conventional medicine with natural elements and mind/spirit support.
To our critics who wage that we do not utilize pure science, we would like to remind them. Medicine is much more than science, it is a healing art.
(c) 2005 Oasis of Hope Hospital, All Right Reserved
http://www.oasisofhope.com/clinical_results.html
eml - 28 Mar 2007 03:25 GMT > HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL > > Since 1963, one hundred thousand patients have been treated at the > Oasis of Hope Hospital founded by Dr. Ernesto Contreras, Sr.. Patients > have come here from every part of the world seeking cancer therapies > and treatment approaches pioneered by the Contreras doctors, Oh My goodness--they are still there and still operating??? I worked in health care in san diego in the 1970's and 1980's. there was a contreras cancer clinic across the border in Tijuana, Mexico. On a regular basis patients were sent to the ER of the University hosp from the clinic--they were "too sick" to be cared for at the clinic (i.e. they were dying). there were many, many of these patients to whom we delivered terminal care--guess their deaths at the clinic would have adversely affected their statistics--or maybe there would have been problems with too many american citizens dying in tijuana??? are they still administering apricot pits, too????
Mark Probert - 28 Mar 2007 04:31 GMT >> HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > problems with too many american citizens dying in tijuana??? are they > still administering apricot pits, too???? Laetrile is still being touted by the murderers.
Peter Bowditch - 28 Mar 2007 07:39 GMT >> HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >problems with too many american citizens dying in tijuana??? are they >still administering apricot pits, too???? When I went to Tijuana in 2004 to vomit outside Hulda Clark's quackery clinic I was tempted to take the half-day tour of Oasis of Hope. Unfortunately, I was on a tight schedule so I couldn't go there to see how the miracle of transferring money from the wallets of desperate people and their relatives to the bank account of the charlatans was done.
I do believe, however, that OoH is a much fancier place than Clark's Pink Palace of Piracy.
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/clark08.htm
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doggie007farnham@gmail.com - 28 Mar 2007 11:35 GMT > >> HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I saw a show on life time after the death of my mother in law from cancer it said thalidamite was the cure for cancer they had patients who had been given no chance to live who were a live years later but it was out lawed in this country because some babies were born without limbs it apparently cuts off the blood supply to the tumor .
Peter Bowditch - 28 Mar 2007 13:29 GMT >> >> HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >it was out lawed in this country because some babies were born without >limbs it apparently cuts off the blood supply to the tumor . Thalidomide is not a "cure" for cancer, but it is being tested against certain forms of cancer such as multiple myeloma. This research is being done by real doctors in real laboratories and real hospitals. It is not outlawed, except in the sense that outlaws are not allowed to use it.
 Signature Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
Jan Drew - 01 Apr 2007 03:48 GMT "Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote :
>Hulda Clark Groups View all web results » Results 1 - 97 of 97 for "Hulda Clark" author:myfirstname@ratbags.com
Peter Bowditch - 01 Apr 2007 04:59 GMT >"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote : >>Hulda Clark > > Groups View all web results » Results 1 - 97 of 97 for "Hulda >Clark" author:myfirstname@ratbags.com Have I only mentioned the outrageous charlatan and thief 97 times? I must do something about that.
As this thread is about "Real Cancer Healers" I suppose it is inappropriate to talk about Clark, because she isn't any sort of "Cancer Healer". She claims to be one, she pretends to be one, she writes lying books about her being one, she steals money from people who believe her lies about being one, but the simple fact is that she isn't one.
 Signature Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
PeterB - 03 Apr 2007 16:29 GMT > > HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the clinic--they were "too sick" to be cared for at the clinic (i.e. > they were dying)... You fail to point out that most of these patients would have received extensive chemotherapy before choosing alternative treatment. Their prognosis would be complicated by the damage caused by chemo combined with the brevity of time during which natural methods could be applied. Human nature is given to panic, so when a person sees himself at the end of his days, he naturally chooses to return to the country of his origin. Your "story" means nothing at all.
> there were many, many of these patients to whom we > delivered terminal care--guess their deaths at the clinic would have > adversely affected their statistics--or maybe there would have been > problems with too many american citizens dying in tijuana??? are they > still administering apricot pits, too???? You're a babbling fool.
eml - 05 Apr 2007 18:26 GMT > > > HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > You're a babbling fool. many of these patients did not avail themselves of "western medical care" first--they elected initial "care" at the tiajuana clinic. and i worked in the hospital that received these patients, and helped care for them during their terminal stages. I know what I witnessed, and experienced. everyone who worked on the oncology wards would become terribly upset with the admissions of each of these patients--so much loss of time for "real" therapy, and loss of time for the patient with family members (having patient relocate to Mexico for apricot pit therapy), loss of time to plan for living or dying, loss of hope and loss of $$$. and most of them were still far away from home, dying in an unfamiliar environment, surrounded by strangers. by the time they reached our hospital, they were unable to travel much distance. calling me names does not change the experience--and I would suspect the same continues today--will contact some old work colleagues to inquire....
Mark Probert - 06 Apr 2007 02:24 GMT >>>> HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL >>>> Since 1963, one hundred thousand patients have been treated at the [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > reached our hospital, they were unable to travel much distance. > calling me names does not change the experience Now, now, do not take away Petey's best argument. In fact, it is his only argument.
--and I would suspect
> the same continues today--will contact some old work colleagues to > inquire.... We need to stop those clinics any way possible.
Jan Drew - 06 Apr 2007 08:58 GMT >> > > HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> > the clinic--they were "too sick" to be cared for at the clinic (i.e. >> > they were dying)... Because conventional medicine failed them.
>> You fail to point out that most of these patients would have received >> extensive chemotherapy before choosing alternative treatment. Their [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> himself at the end of his days, he naturally chooses to return to the >> country of his origin. Your "story" means nothing at all. It means the chemo itself nearly killed them.
It also means...
HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL
Since 1963, one hundred thousand patients have been treated at the Oasis of Hope Hospital founded by Dr. Ernesto Contreras, Sr.. Patients have come here from every part of the world seeking cancer therapies and treatment approaches pioneered by the Contreras doctors, specifically the Metabolic Therapy . Dr. Contreras called his cancer therapy "metabolic" because it enhances normal function of organs while provoking an adverse environment for malignant cells. This is accomplished through a treatment program that provides detoxification, natural anti-tumor agents such as laetrile, whole foods and juices, emotional and spiritual support, and immune stimulation from vitamins, minerals, phytochemicals and enzymes.
In 1981, we conducted a retrospective study to document the five-year survival rates of our cancer patients. It is important to note that 95 percent of these patients came to us with stage IV cancers after conventional therapy had failed to help them. They had been sent home to die. We treated them with our metabolic therapy and the results were encouraging. Our overall five-year survival rate for all types of cancer was 30 percent. We also noted that 86 percent of our patients outlived their prognosis and reported an improvement in their quality of life.
Malignancies in the lung, breast, colon and prostate are the most prevalent in our experience. For this reason, we designed a prospective study on the efficacy of metabolic therapy focused on these advanced stage IV cancers. In the table below, we compare our results against those from clinical trials with conventional therapies.
Type of cancer / Distant1 Number of patients / 5 yr. survival rate (%) Lung Cancer 200 .................................Oasis: 30% / Conventional: 2% Breast Cancer 130 .................................Oasis: 39% / Conventional: 21% Colon Cancer 150 .................................Oasis: 30% / Conventional: 8% Prostate Cancer 600 .................................Oasis: 86% / Conventional: 33%
1. Distant: A malignant cancer that has spread to parts of the body remote from the primary tumor either by direct extension or by discontinuous metastasis to distant organs, tissues, or via the lymphatic system to distant lymph nodes.
2. Source: American Cancer Society Cancer Facts & Figures 2001
The Oasis statistics when compared to the Conventional statistics are dramatically better. What makes these results astounding to me is the difference between the Oasis group and the Conventional group. The Oasis patients had already undergone surgery, radiation or chemotherapy. They had endured the hair loss, nausea, burns and devastation of their energy levels and immune systems. Those in the Conventional group had no previous treatment to damage their general condition. They had a fresh start. We can only speculate on the better results we could achieve with patients that would avoid conventional therapy before they arrive to the Oasis of Hope.
In spite of the impressive results, our studies were rejected by all peer reviewed medical journals. The only studies that these groups recognize are single drug double blind clinical trials. Our study just didn't meet those criteria. In fact, our results depend on a combination of therapies. This makes it difficult to single out one active agent, and this is the objective of cancer research. Scientists want to identify the means and we have focused completely on the end result.
Our results in lung cancer were so dramatic however that one group of oncological authorities did invite us to make a presentation at the World Congress on Cancer in Buenos Aires. Unfortunately, the Congress coordinators canceled our participation at the last minute due to opposition from some outspoken doctors. Once again, those who insisted that the results were secondary and that our study did not adhere to their guidelines were able to silence us.
In the past, financial restraints and negativity from the oncological community have hindered us from conducting standard double blind clinical trials. But the legal and medical environment is changing as more and more people demand access to alternative medicine. The governments in the USA and Mexico have already established offices of alternative medicine in their health departments. The Ministry of Health in Mexico has approved our application for a clinical research organization (CRO) and we are now positioning ourselves for research grants. We intend to conduct the necessary trials to publish the results in an effort to make valid therapies available to people in any part of the world.
We have never been on a crusade to prove the value of alternative therapies. In fact, we have often been criticized for our use of conventional medicine. We keep focused on our ultimate goal, the total well being of our patients. We try not to limit our patients to either alternative or orthodox therapies. We offer them what are the most effective and least harmful options. Our approach compliments conventional medicine with natural elements and mind/spirit support.
To our critics who wage that we do not utilize pure science, we would like to remind them. Medicine is much more than science, it is a healing art.
(c) 2005 Oasis of Hope Hospital, All Right Reserved
http://www.oasisofhope.com/clinical_results.html
What part of that do you not understand?
>> > there were many, many of these patients to whom we >> > delivered terminal care--guess their deaths at the clinic would have [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > terribly upset with the admissions of each of these patients--so much > loss of time for "real" therapy, Ooops, they already did that, or chose not to.
and loss of time for the patient with
> family members (having patient relocate to Mexico for apricot pit > therapy), loss of time to plan for living or dying, loss of hope and > loss of $$$. Projection.
and most of them were still far away from home, dying in
> an unfamiliar environment, surrounded by strangers. by the time they > reached our hospital, they were unable to travel much distance. Hospitals are a good thing to stay out of.
> calling me names does not change the experience--and I would suspect > the same continues today--will contact some old work colleagues to > inquire.... They are all brain washed, like you?
Peter Bowditch - 06 Apr 2007 11:46 GMT >>> > > HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Because conventional medicine failed them. And that justifies lying to them and stealing the remainder of their lives and money?
Are you really that bereft of morals?
<snip a revolting advertisement for a death factory>
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Jan Drew - 06 Apr 2007 20:36 GMT "Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote :
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> On Apr 3, 11:29 am, "PeterB" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>> > > HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL
>> > > Since 1963, one hundred thousand patients have been treated at the >> > > Oasis of Hope Hospital founded by Dr. Ernesto Contreras, Sr.. >> > > Patients >> > > have come here from every part of the world seeking cancer therapies >> > > and treatment approaches pioneered by the Contreras doctors,
>> > Oh My goodness--they are still there and still operating??? I worked >> > in health care in san diego in the 1970's and 1980's. there was a >> > contreras cancer clinic across the border in Tijuana, Mexico. On a >> > regular basis patients were sent to the ER of the University hosp from >> > the clinic--they were "too sick" to be cared for at the clinic (i.e. >> > they were dying)... Because conventional medicine failed them.
>> You fail to point out that most of these patients would have received >> extensive chemotherapy before choosing alternative treatment. Their [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> himself at the end of his days, he naturally chooses to return to the >> country of his origin. Your "story" means nothing at all. It means the chemo itself nearly killed them.
It also means...
HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL
Since 1963, one hundred thousand patients have been treated at the Oasis of Hope Hospital founded by Dr. Ernesto Contreras, Sr.. Patients have come here from every part of the world seeking cancer therapies and treatment approaches pioneered by the Contreras doctors, specifically the Metabolic Therapy . Dr. Contreras called his cancer therapy "metabolic" because it enhances normal function of organs while provoking an adverse environment for malignant cells. This is accomplished through a treatment program that provides detoxification, natural anti-tumor agents such as laetrile, whole foods and juices, emotional and spiritual support, and immune stimulation from vitamins, minerals, phytochemicals and enzymes.
In 1981, we conducted a retrospective study to document the five-year survival rates of our cancer patients. It is important to note that 95 percent of these patients came to us with stage IV cancers after conventional therapy had failed to help them. They had been sent home to die. We treated them with our metabolic therapy and the results were encouraging. Our overall five-year survival rate for all types of cancer was 30 percent. We also noted that 86 percent of our patients outlived their prognosis and reported an improvement in their quality of life.
Malignancies in the lung, breast, colon and prostate are the most prevalent in our experience. For this reason, we designed a prospective study on the efficacy of metabolic therapy focused on these advanced stage IV cancers. In the table below, we compare our results against those from clinical trials with conventional therapies.
Type of cancer / Distant1 Number of patients / 5 yr. survival rate (%) Lung Cancer 200 .................................Oasis: 30% / Conventional: 2% Breast Cancer 130 .................................Oasis: 39% / Conventional: 21% Colon Cancer 150 .................................Oasis: 30% / Conventional: 8% Prostate Cancer 600 .................................Oasis: 86% / Conventional: 33%
1. Distant: A malignant cancer that has spread to parts of the body remote from the primary tumor either by direct extension or by discontinuous metastasis to distant organs, tissues, or via the lymphatic system to distant lymph nodes.
2. Source: American Cancer Society Cancer Facts & Figures 2001
The Oasis statistics when compared to the Conventional statistics are dramatically better. What makes these results astounding to me is the difference between the Oasis group and the Conventional group. The Oasis patients had already undergone surgery, radiation or chemotherapy. They had endured the hair loss, nausea, burns and devastation of their energy levels and immune systems. Those in the Conventional group had no previous treatment to damage their general condition. They had a fresh start. We can only speculate on the better results we could achieve with patients that would avoid conventional therapy before they arrive to the Oasis of Hope.
In spite of the impressive results, our studies were rejected by all peer reviewed medical journals. The only studies that these groups recognize are single drug double blind clinical trials. Our study just didn't meet those criteria. In fact, our results depend on a combination of therapies. This makes it difficult to single out one active agent, and this is the objective of cancer research. Scientists want to identify the means and we have focused completely on the end result.
Our results in lung cancer were so dramatic however that one group of oncological authorities did invite us to make a presentation at the World Congress on Cancer in Buenos Aires. Unfortunately, the Congress coordinators canceled our participation at the last minute due to opposition from some outspoken doctors. Once again, those who insisted that the results were secondary and that our study did not adhere to their guidelines were able to silence us.
In the past, financial restraints and negativity from the oncological community have hindered us from conducting standard double blind clinical trials. But the legal and medical environment is changing as more and more people demand access to alternative medicine. The governments in the USA and Mexico have already established offices of alternative medicine in their health departments. The Ministry of Health in Mexico has approved our application for a clinical research organization (CRO) and we are now positioning ourselves for research grants. We intend to conduct the necessary trials to publish the results in an effort to make valid therapies available to people in any part of the world.
We have never been on a crusade to prove the value of alternative therapies. In fact, we have often been criticized for our use of conventional medicine. We keep focused on our ultimate goal, the total well being of our patients. We try not to limit our patients to either alternative or orthodox therapies. We offer them what are the most effective and least harmful options. Our approach compliments conventional medicine with natural elements and mind/spirit support.
To our critics who wage that we do not utilize pure science, we would like to remind them. Medicine is much more than science, it is a healing art.
(c) 2005 Oasis of Hope Hospital, All Right Reserved
http://www.oasisofhope.com/clinical_results.html
What part of that do you not understand?
>> > there were many, many of these patients to whom we >> > delivered terminal care--guess their deaths at the clinic would have >> > adversely affected their statistics--or maybe there would have been >> > problems with too many american citizens dying in tijuana??? are they >> > still administering apricot pits, too????
>> You're a babbling fool.
> many of these patients did not avail themselves of "western medical > care" first--they elected initial "care" at the tiajuana clinic. and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > terribly upset with the admissions of each of these patients--so much > loss of time for "real" therapy, Ooops, they already did that, or chose not to.
and loss of time for the patient with
> family members (having patient relocate to Mexico for apricot pit > therapy), loss of time to plan for living or dying, loss of hope and > loss of $$$. Projection.
and most of them were still far away from home, dying in
> an unfamiliar environment, surrounded by strangers. by the time they > reached our hospital, they were unable to travel much distance. Hospitals are a good thing to stay out of.
> calling me names does not change the experience--and I would suspect > the same continues today--will contact some old work colleagues to > inquire.... They are all brain washed, like you?
Richard Schultz - 28 Mar 2007 07:24 GMT In misc.health.alternative PeterB <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
: Oasis of Hope Hospital founded by Dr. Ernesto Contreras, Sr.. Patients : have come here from every part of the world seeking cancer therapies [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] : and juices, emotional and spiritual support, and immune stimulation from : vitamins, minerals, phytochemicals and enzymes. How can you post this after having posted an article in which you denied that laetrile was the cure for cancer?
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "It is terrible to die of thirst in the ocean. Do you have to salt your truth so heavily that it does not even quench thirst any more?"
PeterB - 03 Apr 2007 16:21 GMT > In misc.health.alternative PeterB <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > How can you post this after having posted an article in which you denied > that laetrile was the cure for cancer? Because, Schultzie, I am not a PR demagogue banging my keyboad for kibble, as you are. I didn't say that laetrile was not the cure for cancer, I said it wasn't a *reliable* cure. The dearth of data on chemo drugs is no testament to the success of your sponsors, and compared with chemotherapy (which fails to treat cancer in the vast majority of patients), I find the evidence for laetrile compelling. Oasis of Hope records show that even after the damage chemotherapy can do, patients survive longer than they would with conventional treatment. Personally, I would avoid the chemo to begin with.
PeterB
Richard Schultz - 04 Apr 2007 10:27 GMT In misc.health.alternative PeterB <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
:> How can you post this after having posted an article in which you denied :> that laetrile was the cure for cancer? : : Because, Schultzie, I am not a PR demagogue banging my keyboad for : kibble, as you are. Prove that I am a "PR demagogue" or stop making the claim.
: I didn't say that laetrile was not the cure for : cancer, I said it wasn't a *reliable* cure. This statement seems to contradict your earlier claims that laetrile is a vitamin -- as well as your claims that cancer is a dietary deficiency disease.
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "It is terrible to die of thirst in the ocean. Do you have to salt your truth so heavily that it does not even quench thirst any more?"
Mark Probert - 05 Apr 2007 05:44 GMT > In misc.health.alternative PeterB <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Prove that I am a "PR demagogue" or stop making the claim. If Petey did say things like that, he'd have nothing to say at all.
> : I didn't say that laetrile was not the cure for > : cancer, I said it wasn't a *reliable* cure. > > This statement seems to contradict your earlier claims that laetrile is > a vitamin -- as well as your claims that cancer is a dietary deficiency > disease. Petey is a logic and fact deficient disease.
Jan Drew - 05 Apr 2007 07:08 GMT "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote :
>Petey
> Petey PeterB - 05 Apr 2007 14:14 GMT > In misc.health.alternative PeterB <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > a vitamin -- as well as your claims that cancer is a dietary deficiency > disease. Your failure to grasp the most basic concepts in human health are the source of your confusion. Once nutrient-deficiency pathology occurs, it can be too late to undo the damage. The function of a nutrient is to maintain homeostasis, while their ability to reverse existing disease is variable. You should have learned this by the time you were 12.
PeterB
JOHN - 09 Apr 2007 17:34 GMT > Your failure to grasp the most basic concepts in human health are the > source of your confusion. Once nutrient-deficiency pathology occurs, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > PeterB Allopaths have no clue about health, all they learn is disease and how to palliate it with drugs
if they knew the truth they would be out of a job
Allopathy, the name, came from treating symptoms, so I believe, which says it all
I mean, most cancer patients are malnourished, so they give them hospital food and no nutrients
Jeff - 09 Apr 2007 17:40 GMT >> Your failure to grasp the most basic concepts in human health are the >> source of your confusion. Once nutrient-deficiency pathology occurs, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Allopaths have no clue about health, all they learn is disease and how to > palliate it with drugs Try cure cancer with drugs. Doctors cure cancer most of the time and about 3/4 of the time when kids have it.
> if they knew the truth they would be out of a job This doesn't make sense. Of course, neither do you.
> Allopathy, the name, came from treating symptoms, so I believe, which says > it all The name is one given by conjecture-based medicine types (aka alternative medicine people) to people who practice evidence-based medicine.
Your attack on conventional medicine by using a name is empty, like your head.
> I mean, most cancer patients are malnourished, so they give them hospital > food and no nutrients Unfortunately, hospital food has a lot to be desired. I have good hospital food in my day.
jeff
JOHN - 10 Apr 2007 14:49 GMT > The name is one given by conjecture-based medicine types (aka alternative > medicine people) to people who practice evidence-based medicine. > > Your attack on conventional medicine by using a name is empty, like your > head. You do talk bollocks.
You Allopath
non-allopathy = Alternative med
here, educate yourself http://www.whale.to/b/terminology_h.html
JohnDoe - 10 Apr 2007 09:47 GMT >>Your failure to grasp the most basic concepts in human health are the >>source of your confusion. Once nutrient-deficiency pathology occurs, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Allopaths have no clue about health, all they learn is disease and how to > palliate it with drugs Why should they learn about health? I mean, it's not like being healthy is a problem they should know about is it? And would you take your car to a mechanic who only knows about how the car works if it's in good working order, but nothing about what could be wrong with it?
> if they knew the truth they would be out of a job > > Allopathy, the name, came from treating symptoms, so I believe, which says > it all No it doesn't. It was coined by Hahnemann, the 'inventor' of homeopathy. They had the idea of 'humors' back then. According to Hahnemann, allopathy (with 'allo' meaning 'against') went against the humors, while homeopathy was 'going along' with the humors. Another way of looking at it is that, according to Hahnemann, allopathy suppresses symptoms and homeopathy reinforces them. This often leads to what homeopaths call a 'healing crisis' - things get worse before homeopathy starts to work. Of course, all they are seeing is the natural (untreated) course of the disease, but that's a different matter.
> I mean, most cancer patients are malnourished, so they give them hospital > food and no nutrients David - 10 Apr 2007 14:53 GMT "JohnDoe" <dont@spam.me> wrote in message
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