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The Real Cancer Healers and the Future of Medicine (Overcoming the Myths of Standard Treatment)

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PeterB - 27 Mar 2007 19:18 GMT
HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL

Since 1963, one hundred thousand patients have been treated at the
Oasis of Hope Hospital founded by Dr. Ernesto Contreras, Sr.. Patients
have come here from every part of the world seeking cancer therapies
and treatment approaches pioneered by the Contreras doctors,
specifically the Metabolic Therapy . Dr. Contreras called his cancer
therapy "metabolic" because it enhances normal function of organs
while provoking an adverse environment for malignant cells. This is
accomplished through a treatment program that provides
detoxification,
natural anti-tumor agents such as laetrile, whole foods and juices,
emotional and spiritual support, and immune stimulation from vitamins,
minerals, phytochemicals and enzymes.

In 1981, we conducted a retrospective study to document the five-year
survival rates of our cancer patients. It is important to note that 95
percent of these patients came to us with stage IV cancers after
conventional therapy had failed to help them. They had been sent home
to die. We treated them with our metabolic therapy and the results
were encouraging. Our overall five-year survival rate for all types of
cancer was 30 percent. We also noted that 86 percent of our patients
outlived their prognosis and reported an improvement in their quality
of life.

Malignancies in the lung, breast, colon and prostate are the most
prevalent in our experience. For this reason, we designed a
prospective study on the efficacy of metabolic therapy focused on
these advanced stage IV cancers. In the table below, we compare our
results against those from clinical trials with conventional
therapies.

Type of cancer  / Distant1 Number of patients  / 5 yr. survival rate
(%)
Lung Cancer        200 .................................Oasis: 30%  /
Conventional: 2%
Breast Cancer     130  .................................Oasis: 39%  /
Conventional: 21%
Colon Cancer      150  .................................Oasis: 30%  /
Conventional: 8%
Prostate Cancer  600  .................................Oasis: 86%  /
Conventional: 33%

1. Distant: A malignant cancer that has spread to parts of the body
remote from the primary tumor either by direct extension or by
discontinuous metastasis to distant organs, tissues, or via the
lymphatic system to distant lymph nodes.

2. Source: American Cancer Society Cancer Facts & Figures 2001

The Oasis statistics when compared to the Conventional statistics are
dramatically better. What makes these results astounding to me is the
difference between the Oasis group and the Conventional group. The
Oasis patients had already undergone surgery, radiation or
chemotherapy. They had endured the hair loss, nausea, burns and
devastation of their energy levels and immune systems. Those in the
Conventional group had no previous treatment to damage their general
condition. They had a fresh start. We can only speculate on the
better
results we could achieve with patients that would avoid conventional
therapy before they arrive to the Oasis of Hope.

In spite of the impressive results, our studies were rejected by all
peer reviewed medical journals. The only studies that these groups
recognize are single drug double blind clinical trials. Our study just
didn't meet those criteria. In fact, our results depend on a
combination of therapies. This makes it difficult to single out one
active agent, and this is the objective of cancer research. Scientists
want to identify the means and we have focused completely on the end
result.

Our results in lung cancer were so dramatic however that one group of
oncological authorities did invite us to make a presentation at the
World Congress on Cancer in Buenos Aires. Unfortunately, the Congress
coordinators canceled our participation at the last minute due to
opposition from some outspoken doctors. Once again, those who insisted
that the results were secondary and that our study did not adhere to
their guidelines were able to silence us.

In the past, financial restraints and negativity from the oncological
community have hindered us from conducting standard double blind
clinical trials. But the legal and medical environment is changing as
more and more people demand access to alternative medicine. The
governments in the USA and Mexico have already established offices of
alternative medicine in their health departments. The Ministry of
Health in Mexico has approved our application for a clinical research
organization (CRO) and we are now positioning ourselves for research
grants. We intend to conduct the necessary trials to publish the
results in an effort to make valid therapies available to people in
any part of the world.

We have never been on a crusade to prove the value of alternative
therapies. In fact, we have often been criticized for our use of
conventional medicine. We keep focused on our ultimate goal, the total
well being of our patients. We try not to limit our patients to either
alternative or orthodox therapies. We offer them what are the most
effective and least harmful options. Our approach compliments
conventional medicine with natural elements and mind/spirit support.

To our critics who wage that we do not utilize pure science, we would
like to remind them. Medicine is much more than science, it is a
healing art.

(c) 2005 Oasis of Hope Hospital, All Right Reserved

http://www.oasisofhope.com/clinical_results.html
eml - 28 Mar 2007 03:25 GMT
> HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL
>
> Since 1963, one hundred thousand patients have been treated at the
> Oasis of Hope Hospital founded by Dr. Ernesto Contreras, Sr.. Patients
> have come here from every part of the world seeking cancer therapies
> and treatment approaches pioneered by the Contreras doctors,

Oh My goodness--they are still there and still operating??? I worked
in health care in san diego in the 1970's and 1980's.  there was a
contreras cancer clinic across the border in Tijuana, Mexico.  On a
regular basis patients were sent to the ER of the University hosp from
the clinic--they were "too sick" to be cared for at the clinic (i.e.
they were dying).  there were many, many of these patients to whom we
delivered terminal care--guess their deaths at the clinic would have
adversely affected their statistics--or maybe there would have been
problems with too many american citizens dying in tijuana???  are they
still administering apricot pits, too????
Mark Probert - 28 Mar 2007 04:31 GMT
>> HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL
>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> problems with too many american citizens dying in tijuana???  are they
> still administering apricot pits, too????

Laetrile is still being touted by the murderers.
Peter Bowditch - 28 Mar 2007 07:39 GMT
>> HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL
>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>problems with too many american citizens dying in tijuana???  are they
>still administering apricot pits, too????

When I went to Tijuana in 2004 to vomit outside Hulda Clark's quackery
clinic I was tempted to take the half-day tour of Oasis of Hope.
Unfortunately, I was on a tight schedule so I couldn't go there to see
how the miracle of transferring money from the wallets of desperate
people and their relatives to the bank account of the charlatans was
done.

I do believe, however, that OoH is a much fancier place than Clark's
Pink Palace of Piracy.

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/clark08.htm
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To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

doggie007farnham@gmail.com - 28 Mar 2007 11:35 GMT
> >> HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL
>
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

I saw a show on life time after the death of my mother in law from
cancer it said thalidamite was the cure for cancer they had patients
who had been given no chance to live who were a live years later but
it was out lawed in this country because some babies were born without
limbs it apparently cuts off the blood supply to the tumor .
Peter Bowditch - 28 Mar 2007 13:29 GMT
>> >> HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL
>>
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
>it was out lawed in this country because some babies were born without
>limbs it apparently cuts off the blood supply to the tumor .

Thalidomide is not a "cure" for cancer, but it is being tested against
certain forms of cancer such as multiple myeloma. This research is
being done by real doctors in real laboratories and real hospitals. It
is not outlawed, except in the sense that outlaws are not allowed to
use it.
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To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

Jan Drew - 01 Apr 2007 03:48 GMT
"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote :
>Hulda Clark

     Groups    View all web results »    Results 1 - 97 of 97 for "Hulda
Clark" author:myfirstname@ratbags.com
Peter Bowditch - 01 Apr 2007 04:59 GMT
>"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote :
>>Hulda Clark
>
>      Groups    View all web results »    Results 1 - 97 of 97 for "Hulda
>Clark" author:myfirstname@ratbags.com

Have I only mentioned the outrageous charlatan and thief 97 times? I
must do something about that.

As this thread is about "Real Cancer Healers" I suppose it is
inappropriate to talk about Clark, because she isn't any sort of
"Cancer Healer". She claims to be one, she pretends to be one, she
writes lying books about her being one, she steals money from people
who believe her lies about being one, but the simple fact is that she
isn't one.

Signature

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The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

PeterB - 03 Apr 2007 16:29 GMT
> > HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> the clinic--they were "too sick" to be cared for at the clinic (i.e.
> they were dying)...  

You fail to point out that most of these patients would have received
extensive chemotherapy before choosing alternative treatment.  Their
prognosis would be complicated by the damage caused by chemo combined
with the brevity of time during which natural methods could be
applied.  Human nature is given to panic, so when a person sees
himself at the end of his days, he naturally chooses to return to the
country of his origin.  Your "story" means nothing at all.

> there were many, many of these patients to whom we
> delivered terminal care--guess their deaths at the clinic would have
> adversely affected their statistics--or maybe there would have been
> problems with too many american citizens dying in tijuana???  are they
> still administering apricot pits, too????

You're a babbling fool.
eml - 05 Apr 2007 18:26 GMT
> > > HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL
>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> You're a babbling fool.

many of these patients did not avail themselves of "western medical
care" first--they elected initial "care" at the tiajuana clinic.  and
i worked in the hospital that received these patients, and helped care
for them during their terminal stages. I know what I witnessed, and
experienced.  everyone who worked on the oncology wards would become
terribly upset with the admissions of each of these patients--so much
loss of time for "real" therapy, and loss of time for the patient with
family members (having patient relocate to Mexico for apricot pit
therapy),  loss of time to plan for living or dying, loss of hope and
loss of $$$.  and most of them were still far away from home, dying in
an unfamiliar environment, surrounded by strangers.  by the time they
reached our hospital, they were unable to travel much distance.
calling me names does not change the experience--and I would suspect
the same continues today--will contact some old work colleagues to
inquire....
Mark Probert - 06 Apr 2007 02:24 GMT
>>>> HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL
>>>> Since 1963, one hundred thousand patients have been treated at the
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> reached our hospital, they were unable to travel much distance.
> calling me names does not change the experience

Now, now, do not take away Petey's best argument. In fact, it is his
only  argument.

--and I would suspect
> the same continues today--will contact some old work colleagues to
> inquire....

We need to stop those clinics any way possible.
Jan Drew - 06 Apr 2007 08:58 GMT
>> > > HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL
>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>> > the clinic--they were "too sick" to be cared for at the clinic (i.e.
>> > they were dying)...

Because conventional medicine failed them.

>> You fail to point out that most of these patients would have received
>> extensive chemotherapy before choosing alternative treatment.  Their
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> himself at the end of his days, he naturally chooses to return to the
>> country of his origin.  Your "story" means nothing at all.

It means the chemo itself nearly killed them.

It also means...

HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL

Since 1963, one hundred thousand patients have been treated at the
Oasis of Hope Hospital founded by Dr. Ernesto Contreras, Sr.. Patients
have come here from every part of the world seeking cancer therapies
and treatment approaches pioneered by the Contreras doctors,
specifically the Metabolic Therapy . Dr. Contreras called his cancer
therapy "metabolic" because it enhances normal function of organs
while provoking an adverse environment for malignant cells. This is
accomplished through a treatment program that provides
detoxification,
natural anti-tumor agents such as laetrile, whole foods and juices,
emotional and spiritual support, and immune stimulation from vitamins,
minerals, phytochemicals and enzymes.

In 1981, we conducted a retrospective study to document the five-year
survival rates of our cancer patients. It is important to note that 95
percent of these patients came to us with stage IV cancers after
conventional therapy had failed to help them. They had been sent home
to die. We treated them with our metabolic therapy and the results
were encouraging. Our overall five-year survival rate for all types of
cancer was 30 percent. We also noted that 86 percent of our patients
outlived their prognosis and reported an improvement in their quality
of life.

Malignancies in the lung, breast, colon and prostate are the most
prevalent in our experience. For this reason, we designed a
prospective study on the efficacy of metabolic therapy focused on
these advanced stage IV cancers. In the table below, we compare our
results against those from clinical trials with conventional
therapies.

Type of cancer  / Distant1 Number of patients  / 5 yr. survival rate
(%)
Lung Cancer        200 .................................Oasis: 30%  /
Conventional: 2%
Breast Cancer     130  .................................Oasis: 39%  /
Conventional: 21%
Colon Cancer      150  .................................Oasis: 30%  /
Conventional: 8%
Prostate Cancer  600  .................................Oasis: 86%  /
Conventional: 33%

1. Distant: A malignant cancer that has spread to parts of the body
remote from the primary tumor either by direct extension or by
discontinuous metastasis to distant organs, tissues, or via the
lymphatic system to distant lymph nodes.

2. Source: American Cancer Society Cancer Facts & Figures 2001

The Oasis statistics when compared to the Conventional statistics are
dramatically better. What makes these results astounding to me is the
difference between the Oasis group and the Conventional group. The
Oasis patients had already undergone surgery, radiation or
chemotherapy. They had endured the hair loss, nausea, burns and
devastation of their energy levels and immune systems. Those in the
Conventional group had no previous treatment to damage their general
condition. They had a fresh start. We can only speculate on the
better
results we could achieve with patients that would avoid conventional
therapy before they arrive to the Oasis of Hope.

In spite of the impressive results, our studies were rejected by all
peer reviewed medical journals. The only studies that these groups
recognize are single drug double blind clinical trials. Our study just
didn't meet those criteria. In fact, our results depend on a
combination of therapies. This makes it difficult to single out one
active agent, and this is the objective of cancer research. Scientists
want to identify the means and we have focused completely on the end
result.

Our results in lung cancer were so dramatic however that one group of
oncological authorities did invite us to make a presentation at the
World Congress on Cancer in Buenos Aires. Unfortunately, the Congress
coordinators canceled our participation at the last minute due to
opposition from some outspoken doctors. Once again, those who insisted
that the results were secondary and that our study did not adhere to
their guidelines were able to silence us.

In the past, financial restraints and negativity from the oncological
community have hindered us from conducting standard double blind
clinical trials. But the legal and medical environment is changing as
more and more people demand access to alternative medicine. The
governments in the USA and Mexico have already established offices of
alternative medicine in their health departments. The Ministry of
Health in Mexico has approved our application for a clinical research
organization (CRO) and we are now positioning ourselves for research
grants. We intend to conduct the necessary trials to publish the
results in an effort to make valid therapies available to people in
any part of the world.

We have never been on a crusade to prove the value of alternative
therapies. In fact, we have often been criticized for our use of
conventional medicine. We keep focused on our ultimate goal, the total
well being of our patients. We try not to limit our patients to either
alternative or orthodox therapies. We offer them what are the most
effective and least harmful options. Our approach compliments
conventional medicine with natural elements and mind/spirit support.

To our critics who wage that we do not utilize pure science, we would
like to remind them. Medicine is much more than science, it is a
healing art.

(c) 2005 Oasis of Hope Hospital, All Right Reserved

http://www.oasisofhope.com/clinical_results.html

What part of that do you not understand?

>> > there were many, many of these patients to whom we
>> > delivered terminal care--guess their deaths at the clinic would have
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> terribly upset with the admissions of each of these patients--so much
> loss of time for "real" therapy,

Ooops, they already did that, or chose not to.

and loss of time for the patient with
> family members (having patient relocate to Mexico for apricot pit
> therapy),  loss of time to plan for living or dying, loss of hope and
> loss of $$$.

Projection.

and most of them were still far away from home, dying in
> an unfamiliar environment, surrounded by strangers.  by the time they
> reached our hospital, they were unable to travel much distance.

Hospitals are a good thing to stay out of.

> calling me names does not change the experience--and I would suspect
> the same continues today--will contact some old work colleagues to
> inquire....

They are all brain washed, like you?
Peter Bowditch - 06 Apr 2007 11:46 GMT
>>> > > HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>Because conventional medicine failed them.

And that justifies lying to them and stealing the remainder of their
lives and money?

Are you really that bereft of morals?

<snip a revolting advertisement for a death factory>
Signature

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The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
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Jan Drew - 06 Apr 2007 20:36 GMT
"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote :

                              [      ]

eml" <mmlev...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1175794014.833749.35820@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 3, 11:29 am, "PeterB" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote:

>> > > HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL

>> > > Since 1963, one hundred thousand patients have been treated at the
>> > > Oasis of Hope Hospital founded by Dr. Ernesto Contreras, Sr..
>> > > Patients
>> > > have come here from every part of the world seeking cancer therapies
>> > > and treatment approaches pioneered by the Contreras doctors,

>> > Oh My goodness--they are still there and still operating??? I worked
>> > in health care in san diego in the 1970's and 1980's.  there was a
>> > contreras cancer clinic across the border in Tijuana, Mexico.  On a
>> > regular basis patients were sent to the ER of the University hosp from
>> > the clinic--they were "too sick" to be cared for at the clinic (i.e.
>> > they were dying)...

Because conventional medicine failed them.

>> You fail to point out that most of these patients would have received
>> extensive chemotherapy before choosing alternative treatment.  Their
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> himself at the end of his days, he naturally chooses to return to the
>> country of his origin.  Your "story" means nothing at all.

It means the chemo itself nearly killed them.

It also means...

HISTORICAL REVIEW OF CLINICAL TRIALS AT THE OASIS OF HOPE HOSPITAL

Since 1963, one hundred thousand patients have been treated at the
Oasis of Hope Hospital founded by Dr. Ernesto Contreras, Sr.. Patients
have come here from every part of the world seeking cancer therapies
and treatment approaches pioneered by the Contreras doctors,
specifically the Metabolic Therapy . Dr. Contreras called his cancer
therapy "metabolic" because it enhances normal function of organs
while provoking an adverse environment for malignant cells. This is
accomplished through a treatment program that provides
detoxification,
natural anti-tumor agents such as laetrile, whole foods and juices,
emotional and spiritual support, and immune stimulation from vitamins,
minerals, phytochemicals and enzymes.

In 1981, we conducted a retrospective study to document the five-year
survival rates of our cancer patients. It is important to note that 95
percent of these patients came to us with stage IV cancers after
conventional therapy had failed to help them. They had been sent home
to die. We treated them with our metabolic therapy and the results
were encouraging. Our overall five-year survival rate for all types of
cancer was 30 percent. We also noted that 86 percent of our patients
outlived their prognosis and reported an improvement in their quality
of life.

Malignancies in the lung, breast, colon and prostate are the most
prevalent in our experience. For this reason, we designed a
prospective study on the efficacy of metabolic therapy focused on
these advanced stage IV cancers. In the table below, we compare our
results against those from clinical trials with conventional
therapies.

Type of cancer  / Distant1 Number of patients  / 5 yr. survival rate
(%)
Lung Cancer        200 .................................Oasis: 30%  /
Conventional: 2%
Breast Cancer     130  .................................Oasis: 39%  /
Conventional: 21%
Colon Cancer      150  .................................Oasis: 30%  /
Conventional: 8%
Prostate Cancer  600  .................................Oasis: 86%  /
Conventional: 33%

1. Distant: A malignant cancer that has spread to parts of the body
remote from the primary tumor either by direct extension or by
discontinuous metastasis to distant organs, tissues, or via the
lymphatic system to distant lymph nodes.

2. Source: American Cancer Society Cancer Facts & Figures 2001

The Oasis statistics when compared to the Conventional statistics are
dramatically better. What makes these results astounding to me is the
difference between the Oasis group and the Conventional group. The
Oasis patients had already undergone surgery, radiation or
chemotherapy. They had endured the hair loss, nausea, burns and
devastation of their energy levels and immune systems. Those in the
Conventional group had no previous treatment to damage their general
condition. They had a fresh start. We can only speculate on the
better
results we could achieve with patients that would avoid conventional
therapy before they arrive to the Oasis of Hope.

In spite of the impressive results, our studies were rejected by all
peer reviewed medical journals. The only studies that these groups
recognize are single drug double blind clinical trials. Our study just
didn't meet those criteria. In fact, our results depend on a
combination of therapies. This makes it difficult to single out one
active agent, and this is the objective of cancer research. Scientists
want to identify the means and we have focused completely on the end
result.

Our results in lung cancer were so dramatic however that one group of
oncological authorities did invite us to make a presentation at the
World Congress on Cancer in Buenos Aires. Unfortunately, the Congress
coordinators canceled our participation at the last minute due to
opposition from some outspoken doctors. Once again, those who insisted
that the results were secondary and that our study did not adhere to
their guidelines were able to silence us.

In the past, financial restraints and negativity from the oncological
community have hindered us from conducting standard double blind
clinical trials. But the legal and medical environment is changing as
more and more people demand access to alternative medicine. The
governments in the USA and Mexico have already established offices of
alternative medicine in their health departments. The Ministry of
Health in Mexico has approved our application for a clinical research
organization (CRO) and we are now positioning ourselves for research
grants. We intend to conduct the necessary trials to publish the
results in an effort to make valid therapies available to people in
any part of the world.

We have never been on a crusade to prove the value of alternative
therapies. In fact, we have often been criticized for our use of
conventional medicine. We keep focused on our ultimate goal, the total
well being of our patients. We try not to limit our patients to either
alternative or orthodox therapies. We offer them what are the most
effective and least harmful options. Our approach compliments
conventional medicine with natural elements and mind/spirit support.

To our critics who wage that we do not utilize pure science, we would
like to remind them. Medicine is much more than science, it is a
healing art.

(c) 2005 Oasis of Hope Hospital, All Right Reserved

http://www.oasisofhope.com/clinical_results.html

What part of that do you not understand?

>> > there were many, many of these patients to whom we
>> > delivered terminal care--guess their deaths at the clinic would have
>> > adversely affected their statistics--or maybe there would have been
>> > problems with too many american citizens dying in tijuana???  are they
>> > still administering apricot pits, too????

>> You're a babbling fool.

> many of these patients did not avail themselves of "western medical
> care" first--they elected initial "care" at the tiajuana clinic.  and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> terribly upset with the admissions of each of these patients--so much
> loss of time for "real" therapy,

Ooops, they already did that, or chose not to.

and loss of time for the patient with

> family members (having patient relocate to Mexico for apricot pit
> therapy),  loss of time to plan for living or dying, loss of hope and
> loss of $$$.

Projection.

and most of them were still far away from home, dying in

> an unfamiliar environment, surrounded by strangers.  by the time they
> reached our hospital, they were unable to travel much distance.

Hospitals are a good thing to stay out of.

> calling me names does not change the experience--and I would suspect
> the same continues today--will contact some old work colleagues to
> inquire....

They are all brain washed, like you?
Richard Schultz - 28 Mar 2007 07:24 GMT
In misc.health.alternative PeterB <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote:

: Oasis of Hope Hospital founded by Dr. Ernesto Contreras, Sr.. Patients
: have come here from every part of the world seeking cancer therapies
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
: and juices, emotional and spiritual support, and immune stimulation from
: vitamins, minerals, phytochemicals and enzymes.

How can you post this after having posted an article in which you denied
that laetrile was the cure for cancer?

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"It is terrible to die of thirst in the ocean.  Do you have to salt your
truth so heavily that it does not even quench thirst any more?"
PeterB - 03 Apr 2007 16:21 GMT
> In misc.health.alternative PeterB <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> How can you post this after having posted an article in which you denied
> that laetrile was the cure for cancer?

Because, Schultzie, I am not a PR demagogue banging my keyboad for
kibble, as you are.  I didn't say that laetrile was not the cure for
cancer, I said it wasn't a *reliable* cure.  The dearth of data on
chemo drugs is no testament to the success of your sponsors, and
compared with chemotherapy (which fails to treat cancer in the vast
majority of patients), I find the evidence for laetrile compelling.
Oasis of Hope records show that even after the damage chemotherapy can
do, patients survive longer than they would with conventional
treatment.  Personally, I would avoid the chemo to begin with.

PeterB
Richard Schultz - 04 Apr 2007 10:27 GMT
In misc.health.alternative PeterB <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote:

:> How can you post this after having posted an article in which you denied
:> that laetrile was the cure for cancer?
:
: Because, Schultzie, I am not a PR demagogue banging my keyboad for
: kibble, as you are.  

Prove that I am a "PR demagogue" or stop making the claim.

: I didn't say that laetrile was not the cure for
: cancer, I said it wasn't a *reliable* cure.  

This statement seems to contradict your earlier claims that laetrile is
a vitamin -- as well as your claims that cancer is a dietary deficiency
disease.

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Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"It is terrible to die of thirst in the ocean.  Do you have to salt your
truth so heavily that it does not even quench thirst any more?"
Mark Probert - 05 Apr 2007 05:44 GMT
> In misc.health.alternative PeterB <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Prove that I am a "PR demagogue" or stop making the claim.

If Petey did say things like that, he'd have nothing to say at all.

> : I didn't say that laetrile was not the cure for
> : cancer, I said it wasn't a *reliable* cure.  
>
> This statement seems to contradict your earlier claims that laetrile is
> a vitamin -- as well as your claims that cancer is a dietary deficiency
> disease.

Petey is a logic and fact deficient disease.
Jan Drew - 05 Apr 2007 07:08 GMT
"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote :

>Petey

> Petey
PeterB - 05 Apr 2007 14:14 GMT
> In misc.health.alternative PeterB <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> a vitamin -- as well as your claims that cancer is a dietary deficiency
> disease.

Your failure to grasp the most basic concepts in human health are the
source of your confusion.  Once nutrient-deficiency pathology occurs,
it can be too late to undo the damage.  The function of a nutrient is
to maintain homeostasis, while their ability to reverse existing
disease is variable.   You should have learned this by the time you
were 12.

PeterB
JOHN - 09 Apr 2007 17:34 GMT
> Your failure to grasp the most basic concepts in human health are the
> source of your confusion.  Once nutrient-deficiency pathology occurs,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> PeterB

Allopaths have no clue about health, all they learn is disease and how to
palliate it with drugs

if they knew the truth they would be out of a job

Allopathy, the name, came from treating symptoms, so I believe, which says
it all

I mean, most cancer patients are malnourished, so they give them hospital
food and no nutrients
Jeff - 09 Apr 2007 17:40 GMT
>> Your failure to grasp the most basic concepts in human health are the
>> source of your confusion.  Once nutrient-deficiency pathology occurs,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Allopaths have no clue about health, all they learn is disease and how to
> palliate it with drugs

Try cure cancer with drugs. Doctors cure cancer most of the time and about
3/4 of the time when kids have it.

> if they knew the truth they would be out of a job

This doesn't make sense. Of course, neither do you.

> Allopathy, the name, came from treating symptoms, so I believe, which says
> it all

The name is one given by conjecture-based medicine types (aka alternative
medicine people) to people who practice evidence-based medicine.

Your attack on conventional medicine by using a name is empty, like your
head.

> I mean, most cancer patients are malnourished, so they give them hospital
> food and no nutrients

Unfortunately, hospital food has a lot to be desired. I have good hospital
food in my day.

jeff
JOHN - 10 Apr 2007 14:49 GMT
> The name is one given by conjecture-based medicine types (aka alternative
> medicine people) to people who practice evidence-based medicine.
>
> Your attack on conventional medicine by using a name is empty, like your
> head.

You do talk bollocks.

You Allopath

non-allopathy =  Alternative med

here, educate yourself http://www.whale.to/b/terminology_h.html
JohnDoe - 10 Apr 2007 09:47 GMT
>>Your failure to grasp the most basic concepts in human health are the
>>source of your confusion.  Once nutrient-deficiency pathology occurs,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Allopaths have no clue about health, all they learn is disease and how to
> palliate it with drugs

Why should they learn about health? I mean, it's not like being healthy
is a problem they should know about is it? And would you take your car
to a mechanic who only knows about how the car works if it's in good
working order, but nothing about what could be wrong with it?

> if they knew the truth they would be out of a job
>
> Allopathy, the name, came from treating symptoms, so I believe, which says
> it all

No it doesn't. It was coined by Hahnemann, the 'inventor' of homeopathy.
They had the idea of 'humors' back then. According to Hahnemann,
allopathy (with 'allo' meaning 'against') went against the humors, while
homeopathy was 'going along' with the humors. Another way of looking at
it is that, according to Hahnemann, allopathy suppresses symptoms and
homeopathy reinforces them. This often leads to what homeopaths call a
'healing crisis' - things get worse before homeopathy starts to work. Of
course, all they are seeing is the natural (untreated) course of the
disease, but that's a different matter.

> I mean, most cancer patients are malnourished, so they give them hospital
> food and no nutrients
David - 10 Apr 2007 14:53 GMT
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