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PAIN: Babies vs. The Intl Assoc for the Study of Pain (IASP)

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Todd Gastaldo - 24 Feb 2007 23:30 GMT
PAIN:  BABIES VS. THE INTL ASSOC FOR THE STUDY OF PAIN (IASP)

"The International Association for the Study of Pain® (IASP) is the
leading professional forum for science, practice, and education in the
field of pain...IASP has more than 6,900 members in 106 countries..."
http://www.iasp-pain.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=About_IASP_&Template=/CM/HTMLDi
splay.cfm&ContentID=1608


In 1987, I discovered American MDs perpetuating phony "babies can't
feel pain" neurology as they ripped and sliced infant penises en masse
with no medical indication.

I called for an end to the mass child abuse and petitioned Congress
for an exemption from the child abuse statutes for the ancient Jewish
ritual that leaves most of the foreskin on the penis...

Strange things happened...

See below.

OPEN LETTER archived for global access; see below.

Allan I. Basbaum, PhD, FRS
Editor-in-Chief:
PAIN
http://www.iasp-pain.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Councilors&Template=/CM/HTMLDis
play.cfm&ContentID=1223

VIA International Association for the Study of Pain/IASP
Secretariat
111 Queen Anne Avenue North
Suite 501
Seattle, WA  98109-4955
USA
Tel: +1-206-283-0311
Fax: +1-206-283-9403
Via iaspdesk@iasp-pain.org

Allan,

I am assuming Sunny Anand is a member of IASP.

Will you please forward the email below to him? (His email bounced
from the address below.)

EMERGENCY:  Most American male babies are still having their penises
senselessly ripped and sliced - in part because of Sunny's silence.

There is no medical indication and some babies die or lose the WHOLE
penis.

Other obvious crimes of American MDs are discussed below.  For
example, MD-obstetricians are closing birth canals up to 30% and
KEEPING birth canals closed the "extra" up to 30% when babies get
stuck - as they SLICE VAGINAS en masse.  See "Dents in babies'
skulls," URL below.

This insanity has to stop.

I am in favor of pardons in advance for MDs.  As medical students, MDs
are TRAINED to perform obvious felonies.

The infant penis ripping and slicing should have ended BILLIONS of
dollars' worth of infant screams ago - back when I pointed out the
phony "babies can't feel pain" neurology.

Ending the screams now instantly saves America an estimated $400
million per year and PRESERVES the surgery as a CHOICE American males
can make for themselves in adulthood.

Please consider speaking out yourself to help end the MD crimes.

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Todd

Dr. Gastaldo
Hillsboro, Oregon
USA
todd@chiromotion.com

Copied to:
Kathy Kreiter, IASP Executive Director
kreiter@iasp-pain.org
"Directs overall activities of IASP® Secretariat"

Kathy,

Please inform the IASP Secretariat...

LAW ENFORCEMENT IS LOOKING THE OTHER WAY...

Steve B. Harris, MD arrogantly BOASTS about law enforcement looking
the other way, as in,

"Without enforcement, there is no law. Without law, there is no
crime.  These are elementary principles. Get an adult to explain them
to you."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/
28866f3384801ae9

Copied also to other IASP staff: accounting@iasp-
pain.org;iaspdesk@iasp-pain.org;members@iasp-pain.org;elizabeth@iasp-
pain.org;kathyh@iasp-pain.org;karen@iasp-pain.org;books@iasp-
pain.org;jane@iasp-pain.org;keithp@iasp-pain.org;d.schmidt@iasp-
pain.org;liz@iasp-pain.org

PLEASE HELP STOP THE MASS CHILD ABUSE BY AMERICAN MDs...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Gastaldo" <tgastaldo@earthlink.net>
To: <chiro-list@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <bellieni@iol.it>; <anandsunny@exchange.uams.edu>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 3:07 AM
Subject: Sunny Anand, 'sensorial saturation' and the tiniest 'raving
nutcases'

> SUNNY ANAND, "SENSORIAL SATURATION" AND THE TINIEST "RAVING NUTCASES"
>
> (For my Anand discussion and Bellieni et al.'s "Sensorial saturation for
> neonatal analgesia" 2007 PubMed abstract, see the end of the post.)
>
> (Copied to Bellieni et al. via bellieni@iol.it; copied to Anand via
> anandsunny@exchange.uams.edu
>
> THE TINIEST "RAVING NUTCASES"...
>
> In my post, Attn AMA: Puncturing infant penises: 'More humane' is still not
> humane
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/c4a2f65e85b8a33d
>
> I noted that the AMA tried to make obvious child abuse "more humane" instead
> of simply calling for an end to it...
>
> I WROTE:
>
>> > RUPERT BEAR (see below) thinks that puncturing an infant penis before
>> > ripping and slicing off half the skin is not child abuse.
>>
>> > Rupert Bear also thinks, in effect, that there is no pain when the
>> > anesthesia is injected and that there is no pain when a baby urinates
>> > into a senseless wound on his penis...
>>
>> > Wrong.
>
> RUPERT BEAR REPLIED...
>
>> So an injection is child abuse? Boy you are really a raving nutcase.
>
> #### Rupert, the infant penis ripping and slicing is OBVIOUS child abuse.
> Performing injections to try to anesthetize the pain just adds to the
> obvious crime.
>
> #### REMEMBER:
>
> "[Routine infant circumcision] constitutes child abuse...an -acknowledged
> hazard to health." [Michael Katz, MD: Letter. AJDC, 1980]
>
> "[M]ore than one-half of the skin and mucosa of the penis is excised..."
> http://jme.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/30/3/237#411
>
> #### Rarely, babies die or lose the WHOLE penis
>
> #### There is NO medical reason to subject children to these risks - let
> alone subject them to the pain.
>
> #### Even if there is "almost complete analgesia" (see sensorial saturation
> below), the infant penis has been ripped and sliced for no medical reason.
> A mutilation/child abuse has occurred - and there are lingering pain
> effects.
>
> #### As you noted....
>
>> For the few days that the glans may be considered "raw" there are any
>> number of means available to reduce discomfort due to contact with
>> urine. Vaseline is one.
>
> #### It is not just the recently ripped glans that is raw.  There is also
> the circular wound created when infant foreskin forming the preputial niche
> is sliced off.  While it is good to try to relieve this pain, it is
> unnecessary pain - a lingering effect of the child abuse.
>
> I WROTE:
>
>> > Pain inflicted before the ripping and slicing off half the skin - and
>> > pain experienced after the ripping and slicing off half the skin - are
>> > just as much child abuse as the ripping and slicing itself.
>
> RUPERT BEAR REPLIED...
>
>> But dear crazy guy, due to the use of injected medication there is no
>> pain during your "ripping and slicing" of the foreskin. So why to you
>> continue to lie and exaggerate so wildly?
>
> #### It is MDs who lied and exaggerated wildly - using phony "babies can't
> feel pain" neurology.  I am only pointing out the lies and replacing medical
> euphemism ("routine infant circumcision") with graphic description ("mass
> infant penis ripping and slicing").
>
> #### Obviously, proponents of the mass infant penis ripping and slicing are
> going to prefer to stick with medical euphemism as they issue forth with ad
> hominem - PRETENDING that injecting anesthetic makes the child
> abuse/mutilation legal; and pretending also that the pain after the ripping
> and slicing is of no consequence.
>
> #### Meanwhile, for a while longer, law enforcement will fail to enforce the
> law - and people like Steve Harris, MD will arrogantly BOAST about law
> enforcement failing to enforce the law, as in,
>
> "Without enforcement, there is no law. Without law, there is no crime.
> These are elementary principles. Get an adult to explain them to you."
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/
> 28866f3384801ae9
>
> #### Dr. Harris was "responding" to my point that MDs are committing obvious
> vaccination promotion fraud.
>
> #### For discussion of the obvious vaccination promotion fraud...
>
> See The F Crime: Arkansas State Board of Health President Karen
> Konarski-Hart, DC
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/4352
>
> #### BTW, the just mentioned "F crime" is another obvious medical
> crime:  Municipal chemotherapists - the vast majority of them
> unlicensed - are still forcing Americans to drink water medicated with
> FSA/fluoride, arsenic and lead.
>
>> Isn't it interesting how when a psychosexually motivated foreskin crazed
>> lunatic is called out that
>
> ##### Your "psychosexually motivated foreskin crazed lunatic" ad hominem is
> noted.
>
> SPEAKING OF "PSYCHOSEXUALLY MOTIVATED"...
>
> #### Two MDs have noted that some MDs derive sexual gratification from
> infant suffering...
>
> #### John M. Foley, M.D. in The unkindest cut of all. Fact
> 1966;3(4):2-9:
>
> "I have seen two medical students fight over the privilege of doing
> circumcision on the newborn, although these same students showed neither
> interest nor aptitude for opening boils or doing other surgical tasks.
>
> "In 1951, I witnessed an autopsy on an infant who had died from an infected
> circumcision -- a death rendered even more tragic because the mother had
> tried to persuade the obstetrician to spare her infant this ordeal.
>
> "Dr. Alexander Schaffer, a noted pediatrician, tells with horror the case in
> which an infant was being delivered as a frank breech (buttocks first).
> Before delivering the baby, and just as the penis came into view, the
> obstetrician seized it and circumcised it. That obstetrician, I would say,
> may be capable. He may be an all-round fine fellow. But sexually I say he is
> a monster. And I say that one of the reasons why circumcision is so common
> in this country stems from the sadism of the crypto-pervert..."
> http://www.cirp.org/news/1966.07_Foley/
>
>> he does an immediate flip flop on his line.
>
> #### Please supply substantive criticism with your ad hominem.  Where is the
> flip flop?
>
>>  From slavating over the thought sof "ripping and slicing" he now
>> switched without missing a beat to needle stick pain like the child
>> exeriences from shots as if it is the worst possible thing in the world.
>
> ##### You yourself are missing a beat - perhaps intentionally.  There is NO
> medical indication.  ANY pain inflicted with no medical indication is child
> abuse - as is the lingering pain from the infant penis ripping and slicing
> wounds.  See above.
>
> ##### I SAY AGAIN...
>
> "[Routine infant circumcision] constitutes child abuse...an -acknowledged
> hazard to health." [Michael Katz, MD: Letter. AJDC, 1980]
>
> "[M]ore than one-half of the skin and mucosa of the penis is excised..."
> http://jme.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/30/3/237#411
>
> #### Rarely, babies die or lose the WHOLE penis
>
> #### There is NO medical reason to subject children to these risks - let
> alone subject them to the pain.
>
> #### The grisly infant surgery should have ended BILLIONS of infant screams
> ago - back in 1987 when I pointed out that American medicine was
> perpetuating phony "babies can't feel pain" neurology as MDs ripped and
> sliced infant penises en masse with no medical indication.
>
> See HIV: Keeping MDs out of prison: Dr. Poland, AAP and infant circumcision
> revisited
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/43c7261a4aafff5a
>
> #### A few years after I called for a religious exemption from the child
> abuse statutes for the ancient Jewish ritual that leaves most of the
> foreskin on the penis...
>
> #### American pediatricians came out against ALL religious exemptions and in
> favor of anonymity for perpetrators of child abuse.
>
> #### Later, American pediatricians fraudulently EQUATED their grisly total
> foreskin amputation ritual with the ancient Jewish ritual that leaves most
> of the foreskin on the penis.
>
> See Pediatrician 'ethics' (Attn: Gesundheit et al.)
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com /group/chiro-list/message/2908
>
> See also: Why the infant penis has a 'floppy tip' (Rip and slice vs. Slice
> and rip)
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/e7ee28d7cde3999b
>
> #### There are STILL no medical indications for American medicine's total
> foreskin amputation ritual.  Ending the grisly infant surgery instantly
> saves America an estimated $400 million per year and PRESERVES the surgery
> as a CHOICE American males can make for themselves in adulthood.
>
> #### Rupert Bear offered further ad hominem...
>
>> Why do they allow internet access at mental homes in Oregan?
>
> #####  I have no idea whether they allow internet access at mental health
> facilities in Oregon.  Your ad hominem is again noted.
>
> SENSORIAL SATURATION
>
> ##### If sensorial saturation is as easy and effective as the authors state,
> let us hope the practice spreads rapidly...
>
> Med Biol Eng Comput. 2006 Oct;44(10):841-5. Epub 2006 Sep 16. Links
> Neonatal pain analyzer: development and validation.
> Sisto R,
> Bellieni CV,
> Perrone S,
> Buonocore G.
> Department of Occupational Health, ISPESL, Monteporzio Catone (Rome), Italy.
> We developed a pain analyzer (ABC analyzer) to perform automatic acoustic
> analysis of neonatal crying and to provide an objective estimate of neonatal
> pain. The ABC analyzer uses a validated pain scale (ABC scale) based on
> three acoustic parameters: pitch frequency, normalized RMS amplitude, and
> presence of a characteristic frequency- and amplitude-modulated crying
> feature, defined as "siren cry". Here we assessed the reliability of the
> analyzer. We enrolled 57 healthy neonates. Each baby was recorded with a
> video camera during heel prick. Pain intensity was evaluated using a
> validated scale [Douleur Aigue du Nouveau-Ne (DAN) scale] and the analyzer
> and the two scores were compared. We found a statistically significant
> concordance between the DAN score and ABC analyzer score (p < 0.0001). The
> ABC analyser is a novel approach to cry analysis that should now have its
> properties carefully evaluated in a series of studies, just as is necessary
> in the development of any other pain measurement tool.
>
> JUST MONTHS after saying that their ABC analyser "should now have its
> properties carefully evaluated"...
>
> Some of the same authors are using their ABC analyser to cause SENSORIAL
> SATURATION - "almost complete analgesia" in babies...
>
> Clin J Pain. 2007 Mar-Apr;23(3):219-21.
> Sensorial saturation for neonatal analgesia.
> Bellieni CV,
> Cordelli DM,
> Marchi S,
> Ceccarelli S,
> Perrone S,
> Maffei M,
> Buonocore G.
> Department of Pediatrics, Obstetrics and Reproductive Medicine, University
> of Siena, Italy.
> AIM: Sensorial saturation (SS) is a procedure in which touch, massage,
> taste, voice, smell, and sight compete with pain, producing almost complete
> analgesia during heel prick in neonates. SS is an apparently complex
> maneuvre, but when correctly explained it is easily learnt. In the present
> paper, we studied its feasibility, assessing whether a long training is
> really needed to achieve good results. MATERIALS AND METHODS: We enrolled 66
> consecutive babies and divided them randomly into 3 groups which received
> the following forms of analgesia: glucose plus sucking (A), SS performed by
> nurses (B), SS performed by mothers (C). We did not use perfume on the
> caregivers' hands, so that babies could smell the natural scent of the
> hands. We assessed pain level by the ABC scale. RESULTS: Median scores of
> groups A, B, and C were: 1 (0 to 6), 0 (0 to 4), and 0 (0 to 6),
> respectively. Mean scores were: 0.6, 0.6, and 1.7 and standard errors were
> 0.38, 0.22, and 0.32, respectively. Scores of groups B and C were
> significantly lower than that of A (P=0.03 and 0.006, respectively). No
> significant difference was found between values of scores of groups B and C.
> CONCLUSIONS: Even without the use of perfume on the hands, SS was effective
> as an analgesic maneuvre. It made no difference whether SS was performed by
> mothers who applied it for the first time or experienced nurses. SS is rapid
> to learn and any caregiver (mother, pediatrician or nurse) can effectively
> use it.
>
> #### Again, if sensorial saturation is as easy and effective as the authors
> state, let us hope the practice spreads rapidly...
>
> #### But it would be better for American MDs to simply stop their mass
> infant penis ripping and slicing.
>
> #### Of course, American MDs - and indeed MDs in every country - should stop
> their OTHER massive crimes - instead of (for example) authoritatively
> pretending that they are interested in collaborating - "particularly" with
> doctors of chiropractic - in regard to patient safety...
>
> See Pediatricians reach out to chiropractors (also: AAP's breastfeeding
> fraud
> and that pesky PF Riley, MD)
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/a5ab637266d61cda
>
> #### Thanks for reading everyone.
>
> #### Sincerely,
>
> #### Todd
>
> #### Dr. Gastaldo
> #### Hillsboro, Oregon
> #### USA
> #### todd@chiromotion.com
>
> #### PS
>
> Dr Carlo V. Bellieni (cited above) is a neonatologist, professor of neonatal
> therapy at the Pediatrics school of the University of Siena, Italy. He is
> member of the scientific board of the European Pain School. He has written
> several books about the fetus as a person, which have been translated into
> Spanish and French. His research on infantile pain has been reported by The
> Times (UK), El Mundo (Spain), CNN, ABC, and many other media.
> http://www.mercatornet.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=444
>
> When an interviewer remarked that "Some scientists deny that the fetus feels
> pain"...
>
> Dr. Bellieni replied:
>
> "[P]rejudice and resistance against the recognition of fetal and neonatal
> pain are still present and they are big foes to effective treatment."
> http://www.mercatornet.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=444
>
> Dr. Bellieni also indicated that KJS "Sunny" Anand, "pioneer of neonatal
> pain," devoted an issue of the official journal of the International
> Association for the Study of Pain (June 2006) to the problem...
>
> DR. BELLIENI'S MENTION OF KJS ANAND REMINDS...
> My Oct. 11, 1987 letter calling for an end to the obvious mass child
> abuse by American MDs was copied to the New England Journal of
> Medicine...
>
> A month later, on November 19, 1987, the New England Journal of
> Medicine
> belatedly published
> Harvard pain expert KJS Anand's admission that he and others had used
> phony "babies can't feel pain" neurology for decades. [N Eng J Med
> 1987;317:1322]
>
> Anne B. Fletcher, M.D. editorialized, in that same November 19 issue
> of
> the Journal, that the pain of circumcision is "incurred by infants."
>
> Anand later told me that he had submitted his paper to the Journal the
> year before, but was told it would be "too inflammatory."
>
> NOTE: I recounted my conversation with Prof. Anand in a 1989-90 issue of
> Midwifery Today in which I discussed the European medical proposal to
> stave off America's threatened recommendation for universal newborn
> infant circumcision, with breastfeeding, strict-rooming-in, kneeling
> birth and research into applying maternal fecal matter to the infant
> penis.  See Winberg et al. The prepuce: A mistake of nature? The Lancet
> 1989].
>
> I think my Oct. 11, 1987 letter to PEDIATRICS - withheld by Editor
> Jerold F. Lucey, MD -
> stimulated NEJM's belated publication of Anand and Hickey's article.
>
> PSYCHOLOGICAL VIOLENCE
>
> I say NEJM and PEDIATRICS editor Jerold F. Lucey, MD committed
> psychological violence against me, as in,
>
> "[Withholding] information by restricting scholarly exchange...[is a
> form
> of]...psychological violence."
> --Ralph Crawshaw, MD. Academic sanction: targeting South African
> science.
> JAMA 1989;262(11):1499-1503
>
> Jerold F. Lucey, MD never did publish my Oct. 11, 1987 letter exposing
> Poland et al. perpetuating uncorrected American medicine's phony
> "babies can't feel pain" neurology.  In that same Oct. 11, 1987 letter, I
> called for an end to the mass child abuse by MDs.
>
> That was BILLIONS of dollars' worth of infant screams ago.
>
> Sorry for the "sensorial saturation" (this long post); but it is time for
> American medicine to stop massive ongoing "sensorial saturations" - i.e. -
> American medicine must finally stop its grisly most frequent surgical
> behavior toward males and the other obvious MD crimes.
>
> Stopping the infant screams now instantly saves America an estimated $400
> million per year and PRESERVES the surgery as a CHOICE American males can
> make for themselves in adulthood.
>
> ATTENTION SUNNY ANAND (via anandsunny@exchange.uams.edu):  Jerold Lucey's
> bit of psychological violence against me back in 1987 - and your ongoing
> silence regarding the fact that the mass infant penis ripping and slicing is
> obvious child abuse - perpetuates senseless mass infant suffering.
>
> The only upside to being frustrated in my attempt to stop mass infant penis
> ripping and slicing by MDs - is that I persisted and exposed more (and
> worse) mass child abuse by MDs.

See Dents in babies' skulls"
http://groups.google.com/group/
misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/08abfc7ff242150e

Alternate URL:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/3897

> In 1986, Dr. Finkel noted that MDs are guilty of failing to report child
> abuse.
>
> "What a terrible indictment...guilty of failing those for whom we have
> chosen to be advocates." [Finkel KC: The failure to report child abuse.
> AJDC, 1986;140:329-330]
>
> Failing to report child abuse is itself a crime.
>
> You are indeed a "pioneer of neonatal pain" - you are a pioneer of helping
> American medicine PERPETUATE neonatal pain.
>
> Please stop your crime of silence, Sunny.
>
> Please help stop the infant screams.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Todd
>
> Dr. Gastaldo
> Hillsboro, Oregon
> USA
> todd@chiromotion.com
>
> Copied to KJS Anand via anandsunny@exchange.uams.edu
>
> This post will be archived for global access in the Google usenet archive.
> Search http://groups.google.com for "'Sunny Anand, 'sensorial saturation'
> and the tiniest 'raving nutcases'"
David Z - 25 Feb 2007 00:05 GMT
[massive amounts of Todd's repetitive spam deleted]

Are you capable of posting a message with less than 1,000 words?
Rupert Bear - 25 Feb 2007 07:01 GMT
> [massive amounts of Todd's repetitive spam deleted]
>
> Are you capable of posting a message with less than 1,000 words?

Sick puppy Todd is the king of cut and paste.
Todd Gastaldo - 25 Feb 2007 16:02 GMT
RUPERT BEAR wrote:

> Sick puppy Todd is the king of cut and paste.

Rupert,

MDs rip and slice.

I cut and paste.

FOR EXAMPLE...

After I posted: HIV: Keeping MDs out of prison: Dr. Poland, AAP and
infant
circumcision revisited
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/43c7261a4aafff5a

....about American MDs ripping and slicing infant penises en masse
and
perpetuating phony "babies can't feel pain" neurology...

Rupert Bear called my info "crap" and called me a "nutcase" and a "sad
SOB."
("I note with mild interest that this nutcase Todd Gastaldo is still
posting his crap on USENET. Sad SOB if you ask me.")
http://groups.google.com/group/
sci.med/msg/5c267c28a2f35514

RUPERT BEAR:

Thank you for your mild interest.

Please offer some substantive criticism with your ad hominem.

If you see error in my info, please post it publicly.

Thanks.

Todd

Dr. Gastaldo
Hillsboro, Oregon
USA
todd@chiromotion.com
David Z - 25 Feb 2007 20:00 GMT
> RUPERT BEAR wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> MDs rip and slice.

Every surgical procedure can be described as "ripping and slicing."

Are you opposed to all surgical procedures?
David Z - 25 Feb 2007 22:30 GMT
> > MDs rip and slice.
>
> Every surgical procedure can be described as "ripping and slicing."
>
> Are you opposed to all surgical procedures?

Once again, Todd demonstrates what a spammer he is by ignoring direct,
substantive questions and, instead, posting more spam and ad hominem
attacks.
Rupert Bear - 26 Feb 2007 05:14 GMT
>>>MDs rip and slice.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> substantive questions and, instead, posting more spam and ad hominem
> attacks.

I heard that he gets paid by the megabyte posted by some skin freak
organisation. Is that true?
Todd Gastaldo - 26 Feb 2007 09:42 GMT
> >>>MDs rip and slice.
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

No - the major "skin freak organisations" - ACOG and AAP - do not pay
me.

Nor does the major so-called "anti"-circumcision organization (NO
CIRC) pay me.

Todd

Dr. Gastaldo
Rupert Bear - 26 Feb 2007 23:37 GMT
>>I heard that he gets paid by the megabyte posted by some skin freak
>>organisation. Is that true?- Hide quoted text -
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Dr. Gastaldo

On can never be sure of what you say Todd, you see when one reads the
exaggeration and misinformation of your posts one can clearly see you
have a need to sell your agenda which surpasses your need to stick to
the facts and to the truth. Pity.
Vernon - 26 Feb 2007 14:22 GMT
>>>>MDs rip and slice.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I heard that he gets paid by the megabyte posted by some skin freak
> organisation. Is that true?

So you have a baby penis obsession.  Do you have home movies of babies being
circumcised?
Circumcision of babies has zero medical reasoning.  It is either a religious
ritual or sexual.
How many of your movies have you sold?  You must obviously include other
movies of men playing with young boy's penises.
Rupert Bear - 26 Feb 2007 23:47 GMT
>>>>>MDs rip and slice.
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> How many of your movies have you sold?  You must obviously include other
> movies of men playing with young boy's penises.

You say, "Circumcision of babies has zero medical reasoning." because
that is what you desperately want to believe.

It seems to me that it is the foreskin centric skin freaks who all seem
to have copies of videos of infant circumcision and buy and sell them on
the net. Real sickos.

On the other hand people who circumcise just check the box and more
nowadays insist on the use of appropriate medication during the
procedure. Very little interest in the procedure itself let alone to
watch it.
ncrist - 28 Feb 2007 09:52 GMT
> >>>>MDs rip and slice.
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> How many of your movies have you sold?  You must obviously include other
> movies of men playing with young boy's penises.

I know of someone whose child has a "floppy" tip. It won't go over his
penis, and so the doctor said he would administer some ointment to
help it stretch, but if that doesn't work, the boy would have to be
circumcised. I think that qualifies as "medical".
Todd Gastaldo - 26 Feb 2007 09:37 GMT
> > > MDs rip and slice.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> substantive questions and, instead, posting more spam and ad hominem
> attacks.

LOL.  David Z posts his question at 12:00 pm and complains when he
doesn't have an answer by 2:30 pm.

I am only opposed to UNNECESSARY surgery.

See MDs slice vaginas too - unnecessarily
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/f0d957dfe761b7ad

Thanks for reading.

Sincerely,

Todd

Dr. Gastaldo
Hillsboro, Oregon
USA
todd@chiromotion.com
David Z - 26 Feb 2007 12:28 GMT
> > > > MDs rip and slice.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> LOL.  David Z posts his question at 12:00 pm and complains when he
> doesn't have an answer by 2:30 pm.

LOL.  Yes and at 1:00 PM you posted massive amounts of spam and ad
hominem attacks and ignored my question.  You forgot to mention that
small fact.

Also, it took you about 3 days to respond to the previous question.  In
the meantime, you posted massive amounts of spam and probably wouldn't
have respond either if I didn't call you on it.

> I am only opposed to UNNECESSARY surgery.

How about NECESSARY surgery.  Isn't that "ripping and slicing," too?
Vernon - 26 Feb 2007 14:25 GMT
>> > > > MDs rip and slice.
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> How about NECESSARY surgery.  Isn't that "ripping and slicing," too?

The subject matter of the thread is NOT about "NECESSARY" surgery.
Changing the subject is not a way of getting out of your obsession with
boy's penises.
David Z - 26 Feb 2007 14:48 GMT
> >> > > > MDs rip and slice.
> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> The subject matter of the thread is NOT about "NECESSARY" surgery.

The subject of this thread is "Todd Hyperbolizes."

> Changing the subject is not a way of getting out of your
> obsession with boy's penises.

You're the one changing the topic, moron.
ged - 26 Feb 2007 14:51 GMT
> > The subject matter of the thread is NOT about "NECESSARY" surgery.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> You're the one changing the topic, moron.

Jackass will jump and bray, let him bray, let him bray
I say the Jackass will jump and bray,
Lordy let him bray, let him bray.
David Z - 26 Feb 2007 15:56 GMT
> ...bray...bray...bray...
Todd Gastaldo - 26 Feb 2007 16:59 GMT
SOMETIMES I CAN'T RESPOND IMMEDIATELY

See below

> "ToddGastaldo" <tgasta...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> hominem attacks and ignored my question.  You forgot to mention that
> small fact.

##### Actually, you had my answer at 1:28 pm.  LOL.

See MDs slice vaginas too - unnecessarily
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/f0d957dfe761b7ad

> Also, it took you about 3 days to respond to the previous question.  In
> the meantime, you posted massive amounts of spam and probably wouldn't
> have respond either if I didn't call you on it.

#### False.  Sometimes I don't see posts - sometimes (rarely) it takes
me time to decide how best to respond.

#### As I've previously indicated, as soon as I decided how to respond
- I did so.

See Why the infant penis has a 'floppy tip' (Rip and slice vs. Slice
and rip)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/e7ee28d7cde3999b

> > I am only opposed to UNNECESSARY surgery.
>
> How about NECESSARY surgery.  Isn't that "ripping and slicing," too?

##### I am not opposed to necessary surgery.

See again: Why the infant penis has a 'floppy tip' (Rip and slice vs.
Slice and rip)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/e7ee28d7cde3999b

##### I think there is "ripping and slicing" in some/many(?) necessary
surgeries.  Maybe a surgeon is reading.

##### Again, thanks for reading.

##### Sincerely,

##### Todd

##### Dr. Gastaldo
##### Hillsboro, Oregon
##### USA
##### todd@chiromotion.com
David Z - 27 Feb 2007 03:18 GMT
> > > I am only opposed to UNNECESSARY surgery.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> ##### I think there is "ripping and slicing" in some/many(?) necessary
> surgeries.  Maybe a surgeon is reading.

So, when you think that a particular surgical technique is unnecessary
or inappropriate, you label it "ripping and slicing," eh?

Can you say "hyperbole?"
Rupert Bear - 28 Feb 2007 05:26 GMT
>>>>I am only opposed to UNNECESSARY surgery.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Can you say "hyperbole?"

When one has a weak argument they need to spice it up with wild
exaggeration to attract attention. Of course with Todd nutter is
obviously mentaly unstable but he is entertaining. Just don't take the
troll too seriously.
ged - 28 Feb 2007 15:07 GMT
<snipped>

> When one has a weak argument they need to spice it up with wild
> exaggeration to attract attention. Of course with Todd nutter (sic) is
> obviously mentaly (sic) unstable but he is entertaining. Just don't take
> the troll too seriously.

Todd's "exaggeration" does not alter facts of the matter, rather it has to
do with their very frequent repetition, and the deliberately pejorative
language he uses to describe the objects of his opposition. These are
commonly employed tools of social reformers and moral crusaders. Such
explicit polemical methods normally vitiate neither the empirical content,
nor the logical structure of arguments. They do not necessarily make it
weak, but dress it up in order to appeal to the emotions, where moral
persuasion has its just target. What does make arguments weak, destructively
so, is the logical fallacy of argumentum ad hominem. There is no better sign
of weakness in debate than to call your opponents by vulgar or demeaning
names, curse them, or claim that they exhibit "mental pathology," are
"mentally unstable," or are obvious candidates of mental institutions.
Those who engage in that kind of "debate" are the ones to ignore.
Todd Gastaldo - 26 Feb 2007 09:28 GMT
MDs SLICE VAGINAS TOO - UNNECESSARILY...

David Z asked if I am opposed to all surgical procedures.

I am opposed to all UNNECESSARY surgical procedures.

...like American medicine's mass vagina slicing...

See below.

> > RUPERT BEAR wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> > MDs rip and slice.

DAVID Z REPLIED:

> Every surgical procedure can be described as "ripping and slicing."

###### I am not sure that every surgical procedure can be described as
"ripping and slicing" - laser surgeries spring to mind.

DAVID Z ASKED:

> Are you opposed to all surgical procedures?

##### No, but I am glad you mentioned other surgical procedures.

MDs ARE SLICING VAGINAS TOO - UNNECESSARILY...

##### MASS ADULT VAGINA SLICING...

##### By using semisitting and dorsal delivery, MDs are closing birh
canals up to 30%.

##### MD-obstetrician experts have been lying to cover-up.

##### For the Four OB Lies (they are whoppers)...

See Dents in babies' skulls"
http://groups.google.com/group/
misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/08abfc7ff242150e

Alternate URL:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/3897

LADIES:  PREVENTION:  To allow your birth canal to OPEN the "extra" up
to 30%, just stay off your sacrum as you push your baby out.  Many
women
like side-lying delivery.  Kneeling against the raised head of the bed
works.  So does
standing.  So does hands-and-knees.  Virtually EVERY delivery position
allows the birth canal to open maximally - except dorsal and
semisitting - the two most commonly used by obstetricians.

##### MDs are KEEPING birth canals closed the "extra" up to 30%
(keeping women semisitting or dorsal) when babies get stuck.

##### Vagina slicing - ostensibly to widen the birth canal and
prevent
tears - should never be done with the
birth canal closed up to 30% - yet this obvious obstetric
crime
is
ROUTINE.

##### According to NIH research (Shiono et al.), mass vagina
slicing/routine episiotomy is known to increase severe perineal
tears by 50X, and,

"The most common diagnosis for hospitalization among all women is
trauma to
perineum due to childbirth."
http://www.ahcpr.gov/data/hcup  /factbk3/factbk3.htm

IT'S MASS SEXUAL ASSAULT BY MDs...

##### According to the National Center for Victims of Crime,

"...examples of sexual assault include..Someone putting...an object
in
or on
your vagina...when you don't want them to...A doctor, nurse, or other
health
care professional giving you an unnecessary internal examination or
touching
your sexual organs in an unprofessional, unwarranted and
inappropriate
manner."
http://www.ncvc.org/ncvc/main.aspx?dbName=DocumentViewer&DocumentID=3...

BACK TO MEDICINE'S MASS INFANT PENIS SLICING CRIME...

##### Babies strapped spread-eagled to "Circumstraint" boards SCREAM
their
protests.

##### American medicine's most frequent surgical behavior toward
males
involves
not only PENETRATION of a genital orifice - but SLICING OFF a genital
orifice (the preputial niche).

##### It's obvious mass sexual assault.

##### Numerically speaking, medicine's most frequent surgical
procedures are not only unnecessary - they are criminal.

##### NOTE:  When I pointed out that the surgical procedure called
vaccination is an obvious crime as it is promoted by MDs...

##### Steve B. Harris, MD arrogantly boasted:

"Without enforcement, there is no law. Without law, there is no
crime.
These are elementary principles. Get an adult to explain them to
you."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/
28866f3384801ae9

#### I thank David Z for bringing up the matter of other surgeries.

##### Thanks for reading.

##### Sincerely,

##### Todd

##### Dr. Gastaldo
##### Hillsboro, Oregon
##### USA
##### todd@chiromotion.com
Vernon - 26 Feb 2007 14:17 GMT
>> RUPERT BEAR wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Are you opposed to all surgical procedures?

In practically all other surgeries which are not "required" it is purely
slice and rip for money with no advantage other than monetary.
Todd Gastaldo - 25 Feb 2007 15:55 GMT
DAVID Z's ONGOING AD HOMINEM

I WROTE ABOUT OBVIOUS CRIME BEING COMMITTED BY MDs...
"[Routine infant circumcision] constitutes child abuse...an -
acknowledged
hazard to health." [Michael Katz, MD: Letter. AJDC, 1980]

"[M]ore than one-half of the skin and mucosa of the penis is
excised..."
http://jme.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/30/3/237#411

Rarely, babies die or lose the WHOLE penis

There is NO medical reason to subject children to these risks - let
alone subject them to the pain.

Even if there is "almost complete analgesia" (see sensorial
saturation
below), the infant penis has been ripped and sliced for no medical
reason.

A mutilation/child abuse has occurred - and there are lingering pain
effects.

See PAIN: Babies vs. The Intl Assoc for the Study of Pain (IASP)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/5188e6adbaebbd23

DAVID Z REPLIED:

> [massive amounts ofTodd'srepetitive spam deleted]

##### David Z,

##### MDs are "spamming" mothers and babies with obvious criminal
behaviors - thousands of times per day.

##### As I noted, law enforcement is looking the other way and one MD
is publicly BOASTING about this.

##### Even though I should post more, I generally only post a few
times per day.  If you see error in any of my "spam," please post it -
preferably publicly.

> Are you capable of posting a message with less than 1,000 words?

#### Yes - but don't hold your breath - not with MDs committing
obvious crimes and people like you posting ad hominem arguments in
reply.

#### Thanks for reading me - however much you read.

#### I appreciate your replies - but please consider offering some
substantive criticism with your ad hominem.

#### Sincerely,

#### Todd

#### Dr. Gastaldo
#### Hillsboro, Oregon
#### USA
#### todd@chiromotion.com
 
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