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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / February 2007Factors you can control and what you can't for having a STROKE!!
Hi, this has been on my mind for sometime now, and I wanted to ask you all a few questions. I have read an article at 'Factors you can control and what you can't for having a STROKE' Which says? 'High blood pressure (hypertension). High blood pressure is the second most important stroke risk factor after age. Diabetes. About one-quarter of people with diabetes die of stroke. Having diabetes doubles your risk for stroke because of the circulation problems associated with the disease. High cholesterol. High cholesterol can lead to coronary artery disease and heart attack, which can damage the heart muscle and increase your risk for stroke. Coronary artery disease, which can lead to heart attack and stroke...' AT: HTTP://WWW.MEDICAL-HEALTH-CARE-INFORMATION.COM/ENCYCLOPEDIA/S/STROKE.ASP While it must be true, I wonder what you have to say about it. Do let me know! Regards, Sherry > Hi, this has been on my mind for sometime now, and I wanted to ask you > all a few questions. I have read an article at 'Factors you can [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Regards, > Sherry The reductionists want you to believe there is some great mystery behind those disease processes. The relationship between stroke and diabetes, or stroke and anything else, is the same. The main contributing factor in 99% of all human diseases is stress, not genetics. Genetics are a predisposing factor, but only rarely the sole trigger in illness. Reduce the physical, mental, and metabolic stresses in your life and you'll lower your risk of stroke and almost every other disease process. like u said, there r multiple causes of of stroke, medical sciens\ce divides them into 2 groups- 1. preventable 2. not preventable. the preventable includes the following- a. hypertension- taking the right medications, n following a healthy and active lifestyle greatly reduces ur risk to stroke. b. diabetes- maintain ur sugar levels n follow a good diet. c. smoking- a great risk factor! n yes, very much avoidable. d. alcohol- not such a great risk factor but yes, to a extent, if it is is taken in great quantities. e. stress to a extent. f. sedentary lifestyle. the ones we cannot prevent include age- gender- somehow, males r more prone. family history- if some1 else in the family has had it earlier. the ones tht fall under both these groups in some way r - a. past history of a stroke b. head injury i hope this was helpful. > like u said, there r multiple causes of of stroke, medical sciens\ce > divides them into 2 groups- [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > i hope this was helpful. Yes, however I have to disagree with point "a." Medications are not needed to "control" hypertension. Most drugs modify disease markers by modifying nutrient function, which means you trade a "better" test result for some other form of metabolic impairment. As if that isn't bad enough, drugs fail to treat the original disease systemically, so the underlying metabolic failures continue building over time. Nutrients alone correct illness and restore health. >> like u said, there r multiple causes of of stroke, medical sciens\ce >> divides them into 2 groups- [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > the underlying metabolic failures continue building over time. > Nutrients alone correct illness and restore health. "Alone" is a stretch. Exercise and mental attitude play a big part. Also some have physical heart problems that need medical (un-natural) help. > >> like u said, there r multiple causes of of stroke, medical sciens\ce > >> divides them into 2 groups- [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > "Alone" is a stretch. > Exercise and mental attitude play a big part. Sure they do, but why? The reason anything is "good" for you is because it either synergizes the production of essential nutrients or provides them directly. Most nutrients we thrive on are a result of biosynthesis, not diet. So what happens when you exercise? Or, what diseases (and nutrient decrement) are associated with stress? Every stressor impacts our biochemistry directly. Every optimizing behaviour limits that stress. The more you divide all this up, the further away you get from what's really going on. That's the difference between a reductionist and a gestaltist. Of course, in the natural medicine community, the preferred term is "holistic." > Also some have physical heart problems that need medical (un-natural) help. Do you mean structural defects that improve with surgery? Sure, but I was only referring to metabolic diseases, those that account for 99% of illness in Man. Even then, nutrients are required to optimize what function is there. PeterB >> >> like u said, there r multiple causes of of stroke, medical sciens\ce >> >> divides them into 2 groups- [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > difference between a reductionist and a gestaltist. Of course, in the > natural medicine community, the preferred term is "holistic." 1. Exercise stretches the blood vessels thus reducing back pressure. 2. Exercise increases the ejection factor of the heart thus creating a longer and deeper stroke, reducing "pressure". It also increases the oxygen flow in the blood requireing less work to maintain a proper level. Nutrient halp "allow" such to happen with less effort. >> Also some have physical heart problems that need medical (un-natural) >> help. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of illness in Man. Even then, nutrients are required to optimize what > function is there. No, structural muscle problems due to past heart attacks that may have been noted or not noted. Stuctural problems such as leaky valves occuring because of lack of exercise for long periods or genetic or a past heart attack or a past permanent bruising such as an accident or punch to the chest. None of these are repairable until possible a replacement and then much medication is required. As a matter of fact the wrong, normally great, nutrients might cause an increased chance of rejection. > PeterB > >> "PeterB" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > 1. Exercise stretches the blood vessels thus reducing back pressure. I think you are saying that biomechanical forces are distinct from applied nutrition, however that is not true. "Reducing back pressure" has no meaning outside the context of biomechanical force in an organic system producing a biochemical stimulus. Measurable effects in animal biology are distinct from purely mechanical forces in inorganic systems, for obvious reasons. "Stretching" in a nonliving machine is nothing more than a predictor of wear and tear. Every aspect of biology is rooted in biochemistry, and there is no chemistry in living organisms without the use of, or without the biosynthesis of, nutrients. > 2. Exercise increases the ejection factor of the heart thus creating a > longer and deeper stroke, reducing "pressure". It also increases the oxygen > flow in the blood requireing less work to maintain a proper level. Oxygen is one of many nutrients more efficiency delivered because of exercise. Growth hormone is an output nutrient resulting from biomechanical force. > Nutrient halp "allow" such to happen with less effort. There can be *zero* effort without biochemistry because without nutrients a living organism has no fuel driving respiration. In biology, processes are stimulated, not "allowed." If it serves no purpose, it doesn't happen. If the purpose is lost over time, the organism's adaptive response reduces and eventually eliminates the stimulus. ALL stimulus in living systems (at the level of biology) is chemical. > >> Also some have physical heart problems that need medical (un-natural) > >> help. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > much medication is required. As a matter of fact the wrong, normally great, > nutrients might cause an increased chance of rejection. Use of medication to supress natural immunity in order to prevent rejection of foreign tissue is simply compensation for a genetic program that has no experience with surgery. By whatever delivery system, nutrients remain the key to good health because organs can't function without them. >> >> "PeterB" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 110 lines] > system, nutrients remain the key to good health because organs can't > function without them. Nutrients are good. Period. O.K. O.K. O.K. The Jews in concentration camps that exercised lasted longer. Nutrition "aids" "Minimum" nutrition allows survival. > >> "PeterB" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > 1. Exercise stretches the blood vessels thus reducing back pressure. I think you are saying that biomechanical forces are distinct from applied nutrition, however I find that statement misleading. "Reducing back pressure" has no meaning outside the context of biomechanical force in an organic system producing a biochemical stimulus. Measurable effects in animal biology are distinct from purely mechanical forces in inorganic systems, for obvious reasons. "Stretching" in a nonliving machine is nothing more than a predictor of wear and tear. Every aspect of biology is rooted in biochemistry, and there is no chemistry in living organisms without the use, or biosynthesis, of nutrients. > 2. Exercise increases the ejection factor of the heart thus creating a > longer and deeper stroke, reducing "pressure". It also increases the oxygen > flow in the blood requireing less work to maintain a proper level. Oxygen is one of many nutrients more efficiency delivered because of exercise. Growth hormone is an output nutrient resulting from biomechanical force. > Nutrient halp "allow" such to happen with less effort. There can be *zero* effort without biochemistry because without nutrients a living organism has no fuel driving respiration. In biology, processes are stimulated, not "allowed." If it serves no purpose, it doesn't happen. If the purpose is lost over time, the organism's adaptive response reduces and eventually eliminates the stimulus. ALL stimuli in living systems (at the level of microbiology) are chemical, or else they reduce to chemical output. Therefore, biomechanical force is just another delivery system for nutrients. > >> Also some have physical heart problems that need medical (un-natural) > >> help. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > much medication is required. As a matter of fact the wrong, normally great, > nutrients might cause an increased chance of rejection. Use of medication to supress natural immunity in order to prevent rejection of foreign tissue is simply compensation for a genetic program that has no experience with transplantation. It doesn't mean that nutrients are not key to normal organ function and long-term survival. >> "PeterB" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message You really do need to learn the reactive responses to physical stretching, manipulation, compression of muscles, veins, nerve system. Nutrient can't even GET to the proper location in the correct proportions without those things. One simple question. Assuming minimal (basic) required nutrients, how would one increase the ejection factor of a heart other than some beta blockers? > >> "PeterB" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message > > You really do need to learn the reactive responses to physical stretching, > manipulation, compression of muscles, veins, nerve system. > Nutrient can't even GET to the proper location in the correct proportions > without those things. If that were true, you would never have been born. The Krebs cycle and its relationship to biomechanical force, production of ATP, and energy transfer using the electron transport chain, underscore this. Every physical motion you engage in becomes a delivery system for biochemical stimulus in a feedback loop ending with cellular respiration. You would not be able to stretch, manipulate, or compress anything inside your body without first having a biochemical environment with nutrients already available as fuel. > One simple question. > Assuming minimal (basic) required nutrients, how would one increase the > ejection factor of a heart other than some beta blockers? Digitalis. >> >> "PeterB" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Digitalis. A medication that somewhat works. It doesn't actually change the heart. Why did you say digitalis when there is a natural substance that works better? All the nutrients in exactly the right proportions will not prevent atrophy and that includes the cardiovascular system. > >> "PeterB" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Why did you say digitalis when there is a natural substance that works > better? You mentioned beta blockers and digitalis is commonly prescribed for CHF. Which natural remedy do you mean? > All the nutrients in exactly the right proportions will not prevent atrophy > and that includes the cardiovascular system. Fuel doesn't prevent a car from ultimately breaking down either, that doesn't mean mechanical force can be applied to make a car operational apart from combustion. Atrophy is a reductionist term used to describe a biomechanical failure, nothing more. See the big picture. PeterB >>> One simple question. >>> Assuming minimal (basic) required nutrients, how would one increase the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Why did you say digitalis when there is a natural substance that works > better? Digitalis *is* natural. It's one of the classic examples of a "folk" remedy that was ignored by mainstream medicine until recently; "witches" have been using foxglove for centuries. | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ > In message <45e30279$0$17288$882e0...@news.ThunderNews.com>, Vernon wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > "folk" remedy that was ignored by mainstream medicine until > recently; "witches" have been using foxglove for centuries. If you want to get technical, digitalis is a synthetic drug modeled on a natural one. I've referred to that as a *form* of natural medicine, not unlike aspirin. If a person can use a combination of nattokinase, hawthorne, and magnesium to achieve the same result, howver, that would be preferrable. >> In message <45e30279$0$17288$882e0...@news.ThunderNews.com>, Vernon >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > hawthorne, and magnesium to achieve the same result, howver, that > would be preferrable. For Ejection factor, nearly useless, but part of a larger regimen especially to give a more steady and regular size heart beat. Hawthorne berry is as good and safer. Beta blockers can increase EF. NOTHING absolutely NOTHING works like exercise. Beta blockers and digoxin / digitalis / Hawthorne can be a base to ALLOW minimal exercise, which in turn can be increased with time. Case example. Patient with 15% EF Given a strong beta blocker (Coreg) raised it to 20%. That is still too low for digitalis to be administered without the possibility of irregularity rather than regularity. Patient put on exercise routine within 7 months EF was 35% Another patient with nearly identical symptoms raised to 50% Taking EXERCISE out of any equation is about the same as saying that if one gets enough of the rest of the regimen of nutrients, they don't need protein. Western diet highlight Too much sugar Not enough exercise All of the other things are great and super BUT add sugar and a huge percent is lost. Take away exercise and a huge percentage is lost. Either adds up to the typical overweight fat a.s AND sicko. > >> In message <45e30279$0$17288$882e0...@news.ThunderNews.com>, Vernon > >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > gets enough of the rest of the regimen of nutrients, they don't need > protein. I agree, exercise is as important as diet. > Western diet highlight > Too much sugar [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Either adds up to the typical overweight fat a.s AND sicko. And there is no magic pill for any of that. >> >> In message <45e30279$0$17288$882e0...@news.ThunderNews.com>, Vernon >> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > And there is no magic pill for any of that. Oh, yes there is. Please see Dr. Vernon site at drugcon.org. I will point you to a qualified and trained physician from one of our fine Universities. They have been trained by other "equally" qualified physicians or teachers who just couldn't quite make it. They will write you a prescription. My fees for recommending another doctor are minimal (Whatever the insurance company will stand for). > >> "PeterB" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > My fees for recommending another doctor are minimal (Whatever the insurance > company will stand for). In that case, I'll have a Fifty Seven Chevy. >> >> "PeterB" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > > In that case, I'll have a Fifty Seven Chevy. Convertible? Had one, sharp lookin car. >> >> "PeterB" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > > In that case, I'll have a Fifty Seven Chevy. You hurt me. I actually owned one (Yellow convertible in So. Cal.) with a special factory engine. But who knew the future of that car in 1962 when I sold it and bought a 1961 Maroon Cadillac convertible (also with a special factory engine) . Either one would bring way over a 100k today. Another dumb sale, a special racing model (4 made) of a Austin Healy. : If you want to get technical, digitalis is a synthetic drug modeled on : a natural one. I've referred to that as a *form* of natural medicine, : not unlike aspirin. And you have posted at length claims that consumption of aspirin produces as "disease" [sic] response in humans because it is not natural. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "Gentlemen, Ciccolini here may look like an idiot, and talk like an idiot, but don't let that fool you -- he really is an idiot." a very good point peter................i had missed out on tht! > >> like u said, there r multiple causes of of stroke, medical sciens\ce > >> divides them into 2 groups- [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > - Show quoted text - |
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