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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / January 2007Red Yeast Rice question
I did a little research on Red Yeast Rice, and I'm getting conflicting info. Some places say that RYR lowers cholosterol, and some places say it did, but the FDA banned it. So exactly how did I just buy a bottle of RYR from Vitamin World? >I did a little research on Red Yeast Rice, and I'm getting conflicting >info. Some places say that RYR lowers cholosterol, and some places say it >did, but the FDA banned it. So exactly how did I just buy a bottle of RYR >from Vitamin World? Just lucky, I guess. Also, I can't recall whether the ban was overturned. Basically, RYR is what you get if you obtain the prescription drug Mevacor, though you're less sure of how much you're getting. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If George Bush were my dad, I'd be drunk in public so often that James Baker would have me killed." -- Bill Maher on the Bush twins >I did a little research on Red Yeast Rice, and I'm getting conflicting > info. Some places say that RYR lowers cholosterol, and some places say it > did, but the FDA banned it. So exactly how did I just buy a bottle of RYR > from Vitamin World? 1. It's safer than ANY other statin. 2. Statins (including Red Yeast Rice) lower CoQ10, thus requiring the taking of CoQ10 3. Red Yeast Rice is a natural statin and not a pharm created DRUG "approved" by FDA. 4. I DOES lower Cholesterol as well if not BETTER than prescription statins (prescription SPECIFICALLY means dangerous) 5. There are other treatments to try before a statin such as Policosinol, Niacin, Lecithin and B complex. 6. 1200 mg daily does the job. > 1. It's safer than ANY other statin. > 2. Statins (including Red Yeast Rice) lower CoQ10, thus requiring the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Policosinol, Niacin, Lecithin and B complex. > 6. 1200 mg daily does the job. Thanks for the info. Do you know if it's baned by the FDA? I read that it was, but I bought some in a store. > > 1. It's safer than ANY other statin. > > 2. Statins (including Red Yeast Rice) lower CoQ10, thus requiring the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Policosinol, Niacin, Lecithin and B complex. > > 6. 1200 mg daily does the job. >Thanks for the info. Do you know if it's baned by the FDA? I read that it was, but I bought some in a store. To repeat and expand on Dave's post: 1. Red Yeast Rice contains the same active ingredient as a prescription statin drug. It can produce the same life-extending effects of a prescription statin drug. It can produce the same death- causing deleterious side effects of a prescription statin drug. Odds are that it will produce life-extending benefits but a minor fraction of the users will suffer from the same death-causing effects. 2. The FDA banned it because, obviously, unrestricted use of a drug with death-causing potential by naive consumers could easily result in death. (Some key words in that sentence are "unrestricted" and "naive"). 3. The issue has been in and out of the courts since at least 1998. It disappeared from the market for a while, then reappeared so I assume the pro advocates are currently ahead of the con advocates. 4. As with any prescription drug with possible death-causing effects, if you choose to use Red Yeast Rice, you must be aware of the symptoms leading to possible death. Since there's no doctor in the loop as with a prescription statin, you are the one who must do the watching. Find a list of symptoms and keep it handy. I had a friend who tried to take a statin despite the symptoms and it wasn't a nice experience. 5. One big problem in this whole issue; OTC red yeast rice is not regulated so there is no control of the amount of active statin in any commercial product. You don't know if you are getting a very low dose, a very useful dose, or a very dangerous dose. 6. In any case, folks taking a prescription statin or Red Yeast Rice should also take about 200 mg of CoQ10 7. Don't forget Niacin, ground flax seed, oatmeal, walnuts and fish oil. They should be tried before testing Red Yeast Rice. They worked so well for me that I decided not to try the Red Yeast Rice. Policosanol has been discredited. The original research was performed by folks in Cuba who had a compelling interest in selling the product. When a German health food supplier tried to duplicate the original research (before deciding to offer the product), it could not produce any benefits. 7. BTW; I would check IHerb's price before buying my second bottle. I learned to do this after noticing that my local health food store owner was wearing a diamond ring worth more than my first house. Jason >> > 1. It's safer than ANY other statin. >> > 2. Statins (including Red Yeast Rice) lower CoQ10, thus requiring the [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > Jason The Statins in RYR are different that the artificial ones and it is difficult to get too much as in the case of artificial statins, not a big difference in "concept" from natural fats and hydrogenated fats. German health food suppliers are more "industry and politics" controlled than even American. They are second only to Canada, disasterville. There have been MANY studies of policosanol that show positive results including slicker blood. Yes, I Herb is a great place for price and quality, save "about" 15 -30% over the typical outlet which has to rent space, pay distribution and pay clerks. The health food store owners don't get rich easily. > 2. The FDA banned it because, obviously, unrestricted use of a drug > with death-causing potential by naive consumers could easily result in > death. (Some key words in that sentence are "unrestricted" and > "naive"). Thanks for the info. I was curious about this sentence, though. Why hasn't the FDA banned cigarettes? I would think that smoking cigarettes by naive consumers could easily result in death also. >> 2. The FDA banned it because, obviously, unrestricted use of a drug >> with death-causing potential by naive consumers could easily result in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the FDA banned cigarettes? I would think that smoking cigarettes by naive > consumers could easily result in death also. The statement was a GROSS overstatement of the FDA position. (A polite way of identifying a lie) AND 1. The FDA has required a statement on tobacco products indicating the dangers. 2. It is NOT as dangerous as a "prescription" drug. 3. No such statement is required on RYR other than the generic (lactating, pregnant, have liver problems, taking medications) 4. A huge statement is REQUIRED on prescription statins as with all "prescription" drugs. George, As to how low you should even bother to lower your LDL cholesterol, there is some difference of opinion. A number of doctors are finally coming out with opposing views that we actually need cholesterol at our normal levels for helping with things like alzheimers disease and others. Read "The Cholesterol Myhts" by Uffe Ravnskov. Also, if anyone tries to get you to take statins, you might want to go to a doctor's website that had his own experience with those little gems: www.spacedoc.net (30 years as a NASA doctor) No doubt the folks that support the giant drug companies wouldn't want you to read those things, but it's worth the time in my opinion. Chris > jazo...@yahoo.com wrote innews:1169906295.441146.215020@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the FDA banned cigarettes? I would think that smoking cigarettes by naive > consumers could easily result in death also. > jazo...@yahoo.com wrote innews:1169906295.441146.215020@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the FDA banned cigarettes? I would think that smoking cigarettes by naive > consumers could easily result in death also. On banning cigarettes. . .a fine idea but remember what happened when the government tried to ban alcoholic beverages. A bit more on statins and Red Yeast Rice: 1. All folks taking statins (prescription or Red Yeast Rice) should monitor and restrict their grapefuit consumption. Grapefruit juice interferes with the destruction mechanism which removes statins and some other drugs from the body. That allows the drugs to build up, possibly to dangerous levels. 2. More on Red Yeast Rice and its statin content: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/red-yeast-rice/NS_patient-redyeast ". . . .Red yeast rice. . . contains several compounds collectively known as Monacolins, substances known to inhibit cholesterol synthesis. One of these, "Monacolin K" is a potent inhibitor of HMG- CoA reductase, and is also known as Mevinolin or Lovastatin (Mevacor®, a drug produced by Merck & Co., Inc). . . ." -Jason On Jan 28, 10:47 am, George Jetson <gjets...@gmail.com> wrote: > jazo...@yahoo.com wrote > innews:1169906295.441146.215020@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the FDA banned cigarettes? I would think that smoking cigarettes by naive > consumers could easily result in death also. On banning cigarettes. . .a fine idea but remember what happened when the government tried to ban alcoholic beverages. A bit more on statins and Red Yeast Rice: 1. All folks taking statins (prescription or Red Yeast Rice) should monitor and restrict their grapefuit consumption. Grapefruit juice interferes with the destruction mechanism which removes statins and some other drugs from the body. That allows the drugs to build up, possibly to dangerous levels. 2. More on Red Yeast Rice and its statin content: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/red-yeast-rice/NS_patient-redyeast ". . . .Red yeast rice. . . contains several compounds collectively known as Monacolins, substances known to inhibit cholesterol synthesis. One of these, "Monacolin K" is a potent inhibitor of HMG- CoA reductase, and is also known as Mevinolin or Lovastatin (Mevacor®, a drug produced by Merck & Co., Inc). . . ." -Jason AND, no matter how it comes out RYR is NOT a controlled substance while prescription statins ARE. EVERY drug company tried their best to get RYR controlled. The only thing that happened was RYR is SAFE (as safe as any pill) while prescription statins are NOT safe. To give an idea of how controlling FTC and FDA are, Stevia is not even allowed to be called a sweetener on the label. Do I think RYR is totally safe? No. Is it magnitudes safer than prescription statins? Yes. Is it as effective as prescription statins? EXACTLY. Mayo Clinic is as far from an unbiased source as one can POSSIBLY get. >> 1. It's safer than ANY other statin. >> 2. Statins (including Red Yeast Rice) lower CoQ10, thus requiring the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Thanks for the info. Do you know if it's baned by the FDA? I read that it > was, but I bought some in a store. About 6 years ago there was a very temporary hold by the FDA. > I did a little research on Red Yeast Rice, and I'm getting conflicting > info. Some places say that RYR lowers cholosterol, and some places say it > did, but the FDA banned it. So exactly how did I just buy a bottle of RYR > from Vitamin World? A better question would be to ask whether the notion that "high cholesterol" is a disease has scientific merit. What is the evidence that one can modify his disease risk simply by modifying a marker associated with disease? One half of all heart attacks occur in those with "normal" cholesterol. A fairly substantial number of people having heart attacks have below-normal cholesterol. Read the article at http://www.shareguide.com/cholesterol.html. The best discussion of systemic heart disease, in my opinion, is the book by Mathias Rath, "Why Animals Don't Get Heart Attacks But People Do." |
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