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DMSO
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Pablo - 26 Dec 2006 15:39 GMT Has anyone tried using DMSO as a treatment for carpal tunnel syndrome? Arthritis? Were you successful?
vernon - 26 Dec 2006 23:29 GMT > Has anyone tried using DMSO as a treatment for carpal tunnel syndrome? > Arthritis? Were you successful? DMSO does nothing. It is a carrier of pain relievers etc. and is great at carrying them into the muscles and nerves.
PeterB - 28 Dec 2006 04:05 GMT > Has anyone tried using DMSO as a treatment for carpal tunnel syndrome? > Arthritis? Were you successful? DMSO produces topical thermogenesis and is very therapeutic to muscle tissue, which is why its use in veterinary care has been longstanding. As Vernon said, it also carries whatever chemical might be present, however it works very well on its own. It may work best on injury- as opposed to systemic-related inflammation, but it's worth a shot. Anyone with arthritis should be sure to get plenty of quality cod liver oil. [ref. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9 537081&dopt=Abstract]
Richard Schultz - 28 Dec 2006 05:33 GMT
: DMSO produces topical thermogenesis and is very therapeutic to muscle : tissue, which is why its use in veterinary care has been longstanding. : As Vernon said, it also carries whatever chemical might be present, : however it works very well on its own. And what "natural" source do you use for DMSO? That is to say, what is the concentration in nature of DMSO? After all, we wouldn't want to be ingesting something for which our bodies have not evolved. I suppose that you're aware that the use of DMSO in animals has been connected with production of corneal opacity.
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
PeterB - 29 Dec 2006 04:54 GMT > : DMSO produces topical thermogenesis and is very therapeutic to muscle > : tissue, which is why its use in veterinary care has been longstanding. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > that the use of DMSO in animals has been connected with production of > corneal opacity. I said nothing about ingesting it. If your eyes have clouded over, you have no one to blame but yourself.
vernon - 29 Dec 2006 06:23 GMT >> : DMSO produces topical thermogenesis and is very therapeutic to muscle >> : tissue, which is why its use in veterinary care has been longstanding. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I said nothing about ingesting it. If your eyes have clouded over, you > have no one to blame but yourself. Richie drinks anything that comes in a bottle. His mommy was his example.
Richard Schultz - 31 Dec 2006 07:35 GMT :> : DMSO produces topical thermogenesis and is very therapeutic to muscle :> : tissue, which is why its use in veterinary care has been longstanding. :> : As Vernon said, it also carries whatever chemical might be present, :> : however it works very well on its own.
:> And what "natural" source do you use for DMSO? That is to say, what is the :> concentration in nature of DMSO? After all, we wouldn't want to be ingesting :> something for which our bodies have not evolved. I suppose that you're aware :> that the use of DMSO in animals has been connected with production of :> corneal opacity.
: I said nothing about ingesting it. If your eyes have clouded over, you : have no one to blame but yourself. What do you think happens to the DMSO once you put it on your skin? If it is not ingested, then how does it get to the muscle tissue?
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "Gentlemen, Ciccolini here may look like an idiot, and talk like an idiot, but don't let that fool you -- he really is an idiot."
vernon - 28 Dec 2006 18:57 GMT >> Has anyone tried using DMSO as a treatment for carpal tunnel syndrome? >> Arthritis? Were you successful? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > oil. [ref. > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9 537081&dopt=Abstract] Experiments have been done with purified DMSO applied with stainless steel applicators. Results, not considered beyond placebo.
Most people, when using DMSO in any normal fashion get a taste in their mouth. It is an indication that something was carried in with the DMSO. It is one of the reasons why many will have great results and others say none.
DMSO is not expensive and not normally dangerous. If someone wants to play around, get some and just pick up a peeled garlic clove, drop it, wipe your fingers, place a small dab of DMSO on the finger (careful not to contaminate the DMSO in the bottle), rub it on your wrist. Take note of taste and wrist feeling.
Dunner - 28 Dec 2006 23:16 GMT > >> Has anyone tried using DMSO as a treatment for carpal tunnel syndrome? > >> Arthritis? Were you successful? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > the DMSO in the bottle), rub it on your wrist. Take note of taste and wrist > feeling. If you'd like some actual research reviews that are in English (not that I'm knocking articles in Dutch per se)...
PMID: 11474739 Ali: Dimethyl sulfoxide: recent pharmacological and toxicological research Veterinary and human toxicology. vol. 43, no. 4 (2001 Aug): 228-31.
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PMID: 12663039 Santos: Multidisciplinary utilization of dimethyl sulfoxide: pharmacological, cellular, and molecular aspects Biochemical Pharmacology Vol: 65, Issue: 7, April 1, 2003 pp. 1035-1041
The abstracts are available in PubMed and any decent library should be able to provide access to the fulltext articles.
vernon - 28 Dec 2006 23:31 GMT >> >> Has anyone tried using DMSO as a treatment for carpal tunnel syndrome? >> >> Arthritis? Were you successful? [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > If you'd like some actual research reviews that are in English (not > that I'm knocking articles in Dutch per se)... Yes we all know you hate the Dutch.
JUST KIDDING :>)
> PMID: 11474739 > Ali: Dimethyl sulfoxide: recent pharmacological and toxicological [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > The abstracts are available in PubMed and any decent library should be > able to provide access to the fulltext articles. PeterB - 29 Dec 2006 05:16 GMT > >> Has anyone tried using DMSO as a treatment for carpal tunnel syndrome? > >> Arthritis? Were you successful? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Experiments have been done with purified DMSO applied with stainless steel > applicators. Results, not considered beyond placebo. Veterinary science disagrees. I also disagree, in light of many positive experiences with it personally.
> Most people, when using DMSO in any normal fashion get a taste in their > mouth. It is an indication that something was carried in with the DMSO. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the DMSO in the bottle), rub it on your wrist. Take note of taste and wrist > feeling. Smooth skin areas can also be very sensitive to it, so one should test carefully.
vernon - 29 Dec 2006 06:30 GMT >> >> Has anyone tried using DMSO as a treatment for carpal tunnel syndrome? >> >> Arthritis? Were you successful? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Veterinary science disagrees. I also disagree, in light of many > positive experiences with it personally. Been there, done that, in labs. Note, pure and carefull application. DMSO experiments are a marvelous source of questions as to the power of human touch (physical emminations).
Oh, yes, it is very difficult to get dogs to tell you if they taste anything different (an indication of purity)
>> Most people, when using DMSO in any normal fashion get a taste in their >> mouth. It is an indication that something was carried in with the DMSO. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Smooth skin areas can also be very sensitive to it, so one should test > carefully. PeterB - 30 Dec 2006 03:07 GMT > >> >> Has anyone tried using DMSO as a treatment for carpal tunnel syndrome? > >> >> Arthritis? Were you successful? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > DMSO experiments are a marvelous source of questions as to the power of > human touch (physical emminations). That's probably true in terms of actual healing time, however its anti-inflammatory properties are a way to get horses back on their feet (very important if you're a horse.)
> Oh, yes, it is very difficult to get dogs to tell you if they taste anything > different (an indication of purity) So that's why every dog I've known kept quiet about his brushing habits. ;)
> >> Most people, when using DMSO in any normal fashion get a taste in their > >> mouth. It is an indication that something was carried in with the DMSO. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Smooth skin areas can also be very sensitive to it, so one should test > > carefully. vernon - 30 Dec 2006 18:18 GMT >> >> >> Has anyone tried using DMSO as a treatment for carpal tunnel >> >> >> syndrome? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > anti-inflammatory properties are a way to get horses back on their feet > (very important if you're a horse.) I don't know the mechanism in your example, but I do know that a human can "pet", not rub, an inflamed leg muscle of a horse and it will heal faster. DMSO works. What we need to know is the mechanism. Want to try something almost miraculous? A slightest trace of Arnica with DMSO. Arnica gel / ointment by itself is great, but don't tell anyone that it's homeopathic because EVERYONE knows that homeopathic doesn't work.
Hey, that reminds me. A surgeon bought some Arnica and some DMSO for his carpal tunel problem a couple years ago. He said he couldn't stay in business without it. This same surgeon came from a hospital where most of the surgeons told patients to get Arnica to keep the bruising down. But, homeopathic doesn't work.
>> Oh, yes, it is very difficult to get dogs to tell you if they taste >> anything [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> > Smooth skin areas can also be very sensitive to it, so one should test >> > carefully. vernon - 28 Dec 2006 23:33 GMT > Has anyone tried using DMSO as a treatment for carpal tunnel syndrome? > Arthritis? Were you successful? My first answer SHOULD have been. Try it. Let us know.
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