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Is there an alternative cure for scabies that is effective?
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cardo - 04 Dec 2006 04:25 GMT Somehow I managed to catch scabies. For the first month and a half I thought it was poison oak. When it persisted I went to a doctor and he, along with a pharmicist, thought it was scabies. The doc prescribed Permethrin ointment, which (as you probably know) one must use to cover the entire body below the neck, then washing all ones clothes, bedding, etc.
The scabies didn't go away so I went to a dermatologist who wanted me to try Ivermectin (sp?). However, when she told me about all the possible side effects of these pills, which also kill intestinal worms, I balked, and decided to try repeated doses of :Permethrin. After repeated coverings of permethrin, most of the scabies went away, but now it's coming back again and it looks like I have no alternative but to take the Ivermectin, even though it kills liver cells, and causes joint pain in some people.
The doc has twice put scrapings from my eruptions under the microscope but could see none of the critters, explaining that only one time in ten can they actually be seen this way even when the diagnosis is correct.
I've been plagued by these little devils for nearly 5 months now. Does anyone know of any kind of alternative treatment that is effective?
I'm traveling now, so if by chance anyone wishes to write me directly, instead of simply posting in this topic, please use this email address: techediting@yahoo.com
dyangzz777@yahoo.com - 04 Dec 2006 09:01 GMT Sorry to tell you this............all these while you have been depending on medical science's medicine especially, by consumming too many sort of 'antibiotics', that probably, put you in this situation..........
> Somehow I managed to catch scabies. For the first month and a half I > thought it was poison oak. When it persisted I went to a doctor and he, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > instead of simply posting in this topic, please use this email address: > techediting@yahoo.com D. C. Sessions - 04 Dec 2006 13:02 GMT > Sorry to tell you this............all these while you have been > depending on medical science's medicine especially, by consumming too > many sort of 'antibiotics', that probably, put you in this > situation.......... Say what?
Scabies is caused by insects that burrow under the skin. Antibiotics have nothing to do with the little monsters.
>> Somehow I managed to catch scabies. For the first month and a half I >> thought it was poison oak. When it persisted I went to a doctor and he, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> instead of simply posting in this topic, please use this email address: >> techediting@yahoo.com
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cardo - 04 Dec 2006 22:38 GMT D.C.is right: some people are allergic to the feces and dead bodies of the scabies mite and some people aren't; it has nothing to do with antibiotics -- or viruses for that matter.
However, DC, I called the nearest drugstore and asked them to whip up some sulfur ointment for me and they told me that it is not an over-the-counter (OTC) product, at least not in my state, California. They said they weren't even able to order sulfur from their warehouse. And besides, they said, I would have to have a prescription from a doctor even if they could get the sulfur. They suggested that I go to a medical warehouse and get my own and mix it up myself. I guess I'll start calling other drug stores now, and other doctors.
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> Somehow I managed to catch scabies. For the first month and a half I > thought it was poison oak. When it persisted I went to a doctor and he, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > instead of simply posting in this topic, please use this email address: > techediting@yahoo.com Scabies is caused by a burrowing mite.
Recurrence is common since they leave mites and nymphs all over the place. It's necessary to kill them *all* or they're likely to get back at you. It's also necessary to get all of the people in a household or they just reinfest (note: *not* "reinfect") each other.
Bedding, showers, shoes, etc. can all harbor them. They don't handle "dry" very well, so just leaving hard-to-clean stuff to air for a few days may be sufficient. However, for bedding and other next-to-skin fabrics in particular it's best to use a bit of bleach to make sure.
A low-side-effect treatment is 10% sulfur ointment. Use it for seven days minimum. I don't know if you could call it an "alternative" but whatever you call it it's OTC.
More information readily available on the Web, for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scabies I got to know more than I like about it thanks to kids in University, which is a great place to get scabies -- don't forget the shower shoes next time, eh?
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naomi.stanley@zen.co.uk - 05 Dec 2006 15:08 GMT > Somehow I managed to catch scabies. For the first month and a half I > thought it was poison oak. When it persisted I went to a doctor and he, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > instead of simply posting in this topic, please use this email address: > techediting@yahoo.com YES there is an alternative to try!!! I am a nurse who contracted scabies at work. I was misdiagnosed by docters at work and by my G.P. but I knew what it was. Then my daughter got it and I panicked. I used malathion and it cured my daughter but my symptoms continued. We used it twice and then used permethrin 5% cream on us all and I must add that I blitzed the house constantly , hot-washing and constantly hoovering and ironing. A horrendous amount of work. But my symptoms continued and worsened and spread and of course I was told it was a histamine reaction only. So I went on holiday and gave it to my friends. I became desperate, I was covered in the rash and couldn't sleep and I researched the net and discovered neem. Do yourself a favour and look it up in Wikipedia and on the UK neemgenie site. The guy who runs this company is passionate about neem and an authority on scabies. email or speak to him (David) if you want info but there's a lot on his website. Mine is a stubborn case but the neem is the only thing which has settled things down and I am persevering with it. A major problem for anyone with scabies is reinfestation. Neem baths protect you from being reinfested as well as killing the ones you have. Also I stick neem in the washing machine and soak high risk items in the neem bath such as bathbrushes, loofahs or things that don't like being hotwashed. Ghandi took neem every day internally. Its used as an antiparasitic, antibacterial and also heals your skin beautifully. It is used in immune system disorders such as hepatitis and chronic illness so its a load better to take than current pharmaceutical scabies options. I used the oil which is extracted from the nuts but you can use the leaves instead. The oil is best but contains a small amount of sulphur. Some people get irritated by sulphur and if this happens you can stick the tealeaves in your bath instead. Remember though that recovery means a period of time with a lot more irritation as the histamine kicks in more when the mite corpses pile up! Good luck! Nina
naomi.stanley@zen.co.uk - 05 Dec 2006 15:15 GMT > Somehow I managed to catch scabies. For the first month and a half I > thought it was poison oak. When it persisted I went to a doctor and he, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > instead of simply posting in this topic, please use this email address: > techediting@yahoo.com naomi.stanley@zen.co.uk - 05 Dec 2006 15:17 GMT > Somehow I managed to catch scabies. For the first month and a half I > thought it was poison oak. When it persisted I went to a doctor and he, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > instead of simply posting in this topic, please use this email address: > techediting@yahoo.com ES there is an alternative to try!!! I am a nurse who contracted scabies at work. I was misdiagnosed by docters at work and by my G.P. but I knew what it was. Then my daughter got it and I panicked. I used malathion and it cured my daughter but my symptoms continued. We used it twice and then used permethrin 5% cream on us all and I must add that I blitzed the house constantly , hot-washing and constantly hoovering and ironing. A horrendous amount of work. But my symptoms continued and worsened and spread and of course I was told it was a histamine reaction only. So I went on holiday and gave it to my friends. I became desperate, I was covered in the rash and couldn't sleep and I researched the net and discovered neem. Do yourself a favour and look it up in Wikipedia and on the UK neemgenie site. The guy who runs this company is passionate about neem and an authority on scabies. email or speak to him (David) if you want info but there's a lot on his website. Mine is a stubborn case but the neem is the only thing which has settled things down and I am persevering with it. A major problem for anyone with scabies is reinfestation. Neem baths protect you from being reinfested as well as killing the ones you have. Also I stick neem in the washing machine and soak high risk items in the neem bath such as bathbrushes, loofahs or things that don't like being hotwashed. Ghandi took neem every day internally. Its used as an antiparasitic, antibacterial and also heals your skin beautifully. It is used in immune system disorders such as hepatitis and chronic illness so its a load better to take than current pharmaceutical scabies options. I used the oil which is extracted from the nuts but you can use the leaves instead. The oil is best but contains a small amount of sulphur. Some people get irritated by sulphur and if this happens you can stick the tealeaves in your bath instead. Remember though that recovery means a period of time with a lot more irritation as the histamine kicks in more when the mite corpses pile up! Good luck! Nina
cardo - 09 Dec 2006 21:50 GMT Thanks for the report, Naomi. I will certainly try neem if my current regimen of home-mixed sulfur ointment doesn't work.
I mixed up my own batch last night and lathered up after I got out of the shower. No itching since and my skin feels good. A slight tingle that's rather pleasant. I used a goodly portion of mineral oil along with the petroleum jelly so that the mix wasn't quite so goopy and it went on real nice. I would guess I used about 13% sulfur by weight, 5-10% mineral oil and 75-80% petroleum jelly. I don't even smell the sulfur any more and neither does my girlfriend. At the advice of a pharmacist, I mixed the one ounce (28 grams) of powdered sulfur with mineral oil first, until it was an absolutely smoothe paste about the consistency and viscosity of frosting you were about to put on a cake. Then I mixed in the petroleum jelly, ounce by ounce, until I had a total of 10 or 11 ounces of mix. It went on real nice and is not at all uncomfortable or smelly once you get your clothes on and wait an hour or so. According to a medical web site I read, three days of this should do the trick, taking a shower each day and applying a new batch as soon as I dry off. Wish me luck!
Richard
> > Somehow I managed to catch scabies. For the first month and a half I > > thought it was poison oak. When it persisted I went to a doctor and he, [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > as the histamine kicks in more when the mite corpses pile up! Good > luck! Nina carole - 06 Dec 2006 01:09 GMT > Somehow I managed to catch scabies. For the first month and a half I > thought it was poison oak. When it persisted I went to a doctor and he, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > instead of simply posting in this topic, please use this email address: > techediting@yahoo.com Interesting topic and thanks for explaining your predicament. I don't know about scabies but I had lice and got rid of them which cellsalts (taken orally, over a period). They were difficult to get rid of too and I had a hard time trying to work out how to deal with them. I sympathise with your situation.
How it worked for me was that I discovered that lice are nature's scavengers and thrive on the impurities in the bloodstream. Remove the impurities and they disappear. The body can remove the impurities provided it has the correct nutrition to do so and I found that the correct cellsalt combination eliminated them.
I can't really comment on scabies because they might not be caused by blood impurities but it would be worth a try to find out, because the scabies might point to a problem of body toxicity (but then again they might not).
For me it was a matter of taking cellsalts in the right combination and the right quantity which would vary from person to person. The specific cellsalts were a combination of Calcium (calcium carbonate), potassium (chelated potassium tablets) and combination C (for acidity - containing sodium phosphate, sulphate, magnesium phosphate and silica).
This is in accordance with Bechamp's soil theory which says that the condition of the internal milieu is responsible for disease ie, the soil theory. Germs, bacteria and microbes are nature's way of returning to the soil what is dead or dying, which is to say that a body loses vitality when it is out of balance and the bacteria and microbes begin to proliferate. This is in opposition to Pasteur's germ theory which says killing the germs is the solution to good health ie, absence of germs by killing them. Whereas the soil theory says the germs won't proliferate in a vital properly nourished body.
Carole http://www.cellsalts.net
David Wright - 08 Dec 2006 04:16 GMT >> Somehow I managed to catch scabies. For the first month and a half I >> thought it was poison oak. When it persisted I went to a doctor and he, [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >provided it has the correct nutrition to do so and I found that the >correct cellsalt combination eliminated them. Except that they came back when you quit the cellsalts, or so you've said.
In any event, lice are not "nature's scavengers" on "impurities in the bloodstream." They'll drink blood whether it has those little "impurities' in it or not.
>This is in accordance with Bechamp's soil theory which says that the >condition of the internal milieu is responsible for disease ie, the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >them. Whereas the soil theory says the germs won't proliferate in a >vital properly nourished body. Yeah, that's what it says. Colorful, but not useful. Not accurate, either.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If George Bush were my dad, I'd be drunk in public so often that James Baker would have me killed." -- Bill Maher on the Bush twins
carole - 14 Dec 2006 23:37 GMT > Except that they came back when you quit the cellsalts, or so you've > said. But with less frequency and less intensity each time until they eventually disappear. And you also need to understand that the cellsalts are a whole of body treatment, they don't just treat lice or athletes foot or one particular condition. So in effect, you are helping improve the health of the whole body, not just applying some pesticide to the body that has no health value other than killing a particular parasite.
> In any event, lice are not "nature's scavengers" on "impurities in the > bloodstream." They'll drink blood whether it has those little > "impurities' in it or not. Well no they won't. I read that in an old nature health book when I had problems with dealing with lice. I just went around to all the health shops and flicked through their book section looking for something on the topic and found it. This was the starting point and with that knowledge I was about to experiment and eventually came to realise that cellsalts would do it.
Carole http://www.cellsalts.net http://www.conspiracee.com
> >This is in accordance with Bechamp's soil theory which says that the > >condition of the internal milieu is responsible for disease ie, the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > "If George Bush were my dad, I'd be drunk in public so often that > James Baker would have me killed." -- Bill Maher on the Bush twins David Wright - 30 Dec 2006 00:28 GMT >> Except that they came back when you quit the cellsalts, or so you've >> said. > >But with less frequency and less intensity each time until they >eventually disappear. No doubt they'll be back eventually. And conventional treatment does not require these endless re-treatments.
>And you also need to understand that the cellsalts are a whole of body >treatment, they don't just treat lice or athletes foot or one >particular condition. So in effect, you are helping improve the health >of the whole body, not just applying some pesticide to the body that >has no health value other than killing a particular parasite. So you say.
>> In any event, lice are not "nature's scavengers" on "impurities in the >> bloodstream." They'll drink blood whether it has those little [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >knowledge I was about to experiment and eventually came to realise that >cellsalts would do it. Sorry, but I find "old nature books" to be less than compelling evidence. For one thing, I doubt your "old nature book" was telling you *what* impurities these lice were supposedly living on, or how they knew this, or how they measured the before-and-after levels of these so-called impurities in the blood.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If George Bush were my dad, I'd be drunk in public so often that James Baker would have me killed." -- Bill Maher on the Bush twins
Smitty - 06 Dec 2006 19:56 GMT You might try this =
############################################### Recently, I discovered, quite by accident, something that is literally making it disappear from my BODY.
As I am sure fellow sufferers can relate to, over the years, I have experimented with various "super baths," filling the tub with hot water and puttibng in things like lemons, baking soda, dish detergent, laundry detergent, alcohol, etc....well, one day about four months ago, I was filling the bath and I was pretty dirty from housecleaning so I put some Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe bleach into the water, just a tad, because it really cleans the skin so good, and once I finish with the bath, I scrub it off with regular soap and a scrubby thing that is regularly disinfected.
anyway, I left the bathroom for a minute or two and heard a crash that sounded like one of my cats getting into something. When I returned to the bathroom, nothing seemed amiss, so I got undressed and slid into the water for a soak.
Everything seemed normal until the bubbles parted, and I got the sight of a morgellons sufferers' lifetime: those black and grey specks MIGRATING OUT OF MY SKIN AS FAST AS THEY COULD IN DROVES BY THE HUNDREDS FROM EVERY SQUARE INCH OF MY BODY!!!!!!!!
And even as I saw that, I also noticed several large oblong things "dissolving" in the bottom of the tub. I picked one up, and it was an alfalfa tablet. Then I noticed the bottle on the counter next to the tub was overturned, and about 25 of them had fallen into the water! They were the cause of the migration of all things morgellon out of my skin in a fantastic migration for about an hour! Brown flecks, black specks, fibers, white patches of fibers drifted off the surface of my skin like No Problema, see ya later, something I had NEVER BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WITH ANY TOHER TOPICAL AGENT.
THE MIGHTY ALFALFA HAS SINCE CONQUERED MORGELLONS IN MY BODY.
The scabs are gone, the fibers are history, the patches of fibers are all taped to a piece of wax paper and about to be sent off to a research lab that has requested them.
I am sending you my testimonial in hopes that other sufferers will at least know some relief from the scourge of the skin.
Dandelion the Flame Point Siamese must be credited with this miraculous discovery. He is only three years old, but he's a hero to his long-suffering Mommy!
I've done a little research on the mighty alfalfa, and apparently it creates an alkaline environment in the body in which things like CANCER and other diseases cannot survive. So, taking it internally can only be a good thing, also; but it's the BATHS that made all the difference in the world for me.
I also tried putting St. Johns Wort in the bath along with it, with even better results. And for some reason, using the Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe bleach also helps facilitate the migration of the specks.
God, I really hope this helps even one person as it has helped me.
It has cleared up my symptoms so completely that I kept forgetting to post this information on the morgellons websites!!!!
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> Somehow I managed to catch scabies. For the first month and a half I > thought it was poison oak. When it persisted I went to a doctor and he, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > instead of simply posting in this topic, please use this email address: > techediting@yahoo.com Smitty - 06 Dec 2006 19:57 GMT You might try this =
############################################### Recently, I discovered, quite by accident, something that is literally making it disappear from my BODY.
As I am sure fellow sufferers can relate to, over the years, I have experimented with various "super baths," filling the tub with hot water and puttibng in things like lemons, baking soda, dish detergent, laundry detergent, alcohol, etc....well, one day about four months ago, I was filling the bath and I was pretty dirty from housecleaning so I put some Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe bleach into the water, just a tad, because it really cleans the skin so good, and once I finish with the bath, I scrub it off with regular soap and a scrubby thing that is regularly disinfected.
anyway, I left the bathroom for a minute or two and heard a crash that sounded like one of my cats getting into something. When I returned to the bathroom, nothing seemed amiss, so I got undressed and slid into the water for a soak.
Everything seemed normal until the bubbles parted, and I got the sight of a morgellons sufferers' lifetime: those black and grey specks MIGRATING OUT OF MY SKIN AS FAST AS THEY COULD IN DROVES BY THE HUNDREDS FROM EVERY SQUARE INCH OF MY BODY!!!!!!!!
And even as I saw that, I also noticed several large oblong things "dissolving" in the bottom of the tub. I picked one up, and it was an alfalfa tablet. Then I noticed the bottle on the counter next to the tub was overturned, and about 25 of them had fallen into the water! They were the cause of the migration of all things morgellon out of my skin in a fantastic migration for about an hour! Brown flecks, black specks, fibers, white patches of fibers drifted off the surface of my skin like No Problema, see ya later, something I had NEVER BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WITH ANY TOHER TOPICAL AGENT.
THE MIGHTY ALFALFA HAS SINCE CONQUERED MORGELLONS IN MY BODY.
The scabs are gone, the fibers are history, the patches of fibers are all taped to a piece of wax paper and about to be sent off to a research lab that has requested them.
I am sending you my testimonial in hopes that other sufferers will at least know some relief from the scourge of the skin.
Dandelion the Flame Point Siamese must be credited with this miraculous discovery. He is only three years old, but he's a hero to his long-suffering Mommy!
I've done a little research on the mighty alfalfa, and apparently it creates an alkaline environment in the body in which things like CANCER and other diseases cannot survive. So, taking it internally can only be a good thing, also; but it's the BATHS that made all the difference in the world for me.
I also tried putting St. Johns Wort in the bath along with it, with even better results. And for some reason, using the Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe bleach also helps facilitate the migration of the specks.
God, I really hope this helps even one person as it has helped me.
It has cleared up my symptoms so completely that I kept forgetting to post this information on the morgellons websites!!!!
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> Somehow I managed to catch scabies. For the first month and a half I > thought it was poison oak. When it persisted I went to a doctor and he, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > instead of simply posting in this topic, please use this email address: > techediting@yahoo.com
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