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George  Lagergren - 30 Oct 2006 19:16 GMT
Question:  How much does raw cow's milk cost per pint (liter) or gallon
(four liters)?
Marvin L. Zinn - 30 Oct 2006 23:45 GMT
George,

  I pay $5.50 per gallon (USA), organic raw milk.
 
 
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George  Lagergren - 31 Oct 2006 00:15 GMT
> George,
>
>   I pay $5.50 per gallon (USA), organic raw milk.

             I see organic processed  milk going for  about $6 to $8
pergallon  in grocery stores.          I would have thought organic raw milk
would be expensive.
Max C. - 31 Oct 2006 02:43 GMT
>  > George,
> >
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> pergallon  in grocery stores.          I would have thought organic raw milk
> would be expensive.

I currently pay $7.00 / gal for mine, but have, in the past, paid as
much as $10/00 / gal.  It's my understanding that in California it can
be up to $12.00 / gal.

Max.
Vernon - 31 Oct 2006 14:41 GMT
> George,
>
>   I pay $5.50 per gallon (USA), organic raw milk.

Why?  Do you have some sort of special deficiency requiring raw milk?

> Marvin L. Zinn
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Max C. - 31 Oct 2006 18:03 GMT
> > George,
> >
> >   I pay $5.50 per gallon (USA), organic raw milk.
>
> Why?  Do you have some sort of special deficiency requiring raw milk?

You could pretty much substitute any food in place of "raw milk" and
the question wouldn't be any more ridiculous.

Max.
Vernon - 31 Oct 2006 20:39 GMT
>> > George,
>> >
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>
> Max.

Let's see.

Range fed cattle.
Calves on these PERFECT range fed cattle are weaned too early, thus
providing milk for others, raw or otherwise.  If one wants a healthy milk
producer, it is not weaned early.  The calves of milk producers are
slaughtered.  This is what it takes to make that super milk.
Real milk with real nutrition is from cows such as Guernsey, Jersey, short
horn etc.  They are NOT on free range as exists in most dairy farms.  The
best high grade dairy farms are in temperate areas where there is a winter
and very little foliage except for what is harvested and kept on barns.
The milk from these prime animals has a high percentage of butterfat /
cream.  It is seldom sold as milk.  That quality (real quality) milk would
be in the order of $20.00 a gallon, minimum, retail.

Yep, one learns quite a bit growing up on a dairy farm and who, when they
drank milk, it was still warm.  Refrigerators didn't exist until recently.
Oh yes, pigs would eat almost anything first before milk.  They are just
about the closest to humans in reactions.
Marvin L. Zinn - 31 Oct 2006 18:34 GMT
Vernon,

> Why?  Do you have some sort of special deficiency requiring raw milk?

Glad you asked.

As a child, I was sick more than half my days. There were three causes,
Pasteurized milk, process cheese, and margarine. From 40 years of study
and lots of practice I was able to completely eliminate ALL disease.
Now I can use properly nutritious organic raw milk with NO problem.
Milk is not essential, but it does add good nutrition harder to find
another way (though goat milk is better).

Eighteen months ago my injury, my head broken with a dozen bones,
unconscious (coma) seven weeks, I would have died as everyone expected.
But I recovered and returned to excellent health and strength because
that is how I was before I fell off the ladder. After I woke up in the
hospital and they brought me food to eat, I could barely walk or talk
for several weeks, but I knew exactly what I would eat and what I would
refuse - also how to disobey hospital rules and refuse some drug
prescriptions so I could get back to health instead of disability that
doctors expected.

marvin

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Vernon - 31 Oct 2006 20:41 GMT
> Vernon,
>>
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> prescriptions so I could get back to health instead of disability that
> doctors expected.

That's about as special as it gets.
Great.

> marvin
>
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Vernon - 31 Oct 2006 14:39 GMT
> Question:  How much does raw cow's milk cost per pint (liter) or gallon
> (four liters)?

First cost, a healthy calf.
Max C. - 31 Oct 2006 18:01 GMT
> > Question:  How much does raw cow's milk cost per pint (liter) or gallon
> > (four liters)?
>
> First cost, a healthy calf.

Completely wrong.  Healthy calves have been raised for millennia while
humans collected milk from the mother cow.

Max.
Vernon - 31 Oct 2006 20:48 GMT
>> > Question:  How much does raw cow's milk cost per pint (liter) or gallon
>> > (four liters)?
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>
> Max.

Not really.

SOME milk may have been collected for "BABIES and under 6"

Refrigerators didn't exist a hundred years ago.

Any milk taken was made into butter, butter milk (used almost immediately)

And most of that was from the mothers of slaughtered calves.
You did know they ate calves?  Sometimes veal, Seldom beef.
Max C. - 31 Oct 2006 21:29 GMT
> >> > Question:  How much does raw cow's milk cost per pint (liter) or gallon
> >> > (four liters)?
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>
> SOME milk may have been collected for "BABIES and under 6"

Do feel free to support that with evidence.  Once again, if you're
insinuating that milk was only historically drunk by children under 6,
you're showing a complete lack knowledge of Dr. Price's writings on the
Masai.

Plus, I believe there is sufficient evidence to state that
historically, all family members drank the milk of the family cow.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/sitbv3/reader/002-7127898-8848832?asin=0963181440&pageI
D=S00G&checkSum=TNOfAhCt7JltIVtrwI7tLSmxuWzAvvN4mcc0ON5poTQ
=
"The cow is a primary producer of wealth.  She can support a family.
She not only turns grass into milk in quantities sufficient to feed a
family but also provides extra to sell and she contributes a yearly
calf to rear or fatten."

> Refrigerators didn't exist a hundred years ago.

Yes, they did.

http://www.history.com/exhibits/millennium/society_culture.html
"1834: Refrigerator
Modern refrigeration was invented by Jacob Perkins, a Massachusetts
native residing in London. Perkins's patented machine closely resembles
today's refrigerator: a compressed fluid - ether for Perkins, Freon for
us - evaporates to cool goods, then re-condenses. Today, fewer than one
percent of American homes lack this cool convenience."

The milk industry was one of the first industries to take advantage of
refrigeration, as evidenced by this page:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/issues/1999/september/object_sep99.php
"After Borden received a patent in 1856 for 'producing concentrated
milk in vacuo,' condensed milk became an important part of the dairy
industry. For the first time milk could be kept pure and storable
without benefit of refrigeration. For the first time, too, it could be
distributed over great distances."

Additionally, you're ignoring the fact that there are other ways humans
kept milk cool.  I've personally seen the pits dug in the ground used
to keep items like dairy cool without refrigeration.  Then there are
those that kept their food items in a nearby stream.  Humans are
ingenious.  You don't need a refrigerator to keep something from
getting hot.  At cool but not cold temperatures, milk will stay fresh
tasting for 2 or 3 days.  After that, there are plenty of things humans
did to use the milk that wasn't suitable for drinking.  Yogurt, kefir,
cheese, curds and whey... I certainly hope you don't intend to convince
anyone that soured milk was simply tossed out as a rule (prior to
pasteurization, that is.)

> Any milk taken was made into butter, butter milk (used almost immediately)

Prove it.  I'm getting tired of you making up stuff.  How many times do
I have to prove you wrong before you stop doing that?

And just so we're clear on this one, I am NOT asking you to prove that
milk was made into butter and butter milk.  I am telling you to show
that *ANY* milk taken was made into butter and butter milk.  I take you
to mean that that means all milk.  If that's not what you meant, you
need to revise your statement.

> And most of that was from the mothers of slaughtered calves.

Prove it.

> You did know they ate calves?

Yes.

> Sometimes veal, Seldom beef.

Prove it.

Max.
 
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