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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / October 2006Another victim of $cientology?
Scientology - A Question of Faith Did A Mother's Faith Contribute To Her Murder? Jeremy Perkins, speaking to police after he murdered his mother. (CBS) Why would a 28-year-old man, described as sweet, kind and gentle, take a knife to his mother one morning in 2003 and stab her over 70 times? Jeremy Perkins, who had been diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic, came to believe that his mother, Elli, was evil and out to get him. Experts say the brutal murder might never have occurred, had he received proper treatment to control his psychotic delusions. But Jeremy’s parents were devout Scientologists and their religion strongly opposes psychiatric treatment. Did Elli Perkins' faith contribute to her death? 48 Hours correspondent Peter Van Sant explores the issue this Saturday, Oct. 28, at 10 p.m. ET/PT. "I tried to slit my wrists...but I wouldn't die, so I decided to do my mom instead," Jeremy Perkins told police after the murder. Jeremy’s chilling words describe his actions on March 13, 2003, while he was in an active psychotic state. The Perkins family cared deeply for their son and sought treatment within the principles of their faith. A lawyer for Jeremy's father told 48 Hours that Jeremy was seen by both physicians and mental health practitioners, including a psychiatrist. But court records unsealed by 48 Hours indicate that Jeremy’s treatment was limited to mostly vitamins and other holistic healing methods. The family filled prescriptions for an anti-anxiety drug and a sleeping aid. Medical experts and a doctor who treated Jeremy after the murder dismiss these methods as ineffective for an individual with paranoid schizophrenia. Today the Church of Scientology claims more than 10 million members worldwide. Its religious opposition to psychiatry is well-known. In June of 2005, the issue was brought to national attention when actor Tom Cruise took a very public stance on NBC’s "Today" show. "I know that psychiatry is a pseudo-science," he told Matt Lauer. "You don’t know the history of psychiatry. I do." Van Sant examines the roots of Scientology’s opposition to psychiatry and the tragic death of a caring mother who desperately wanted to help her beloved son. ©MMVI, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. > Scientology - A Question of Faith > Did A Mother's Faith Contribute To Her Murder? [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > ©MMVI, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. Oops, forgot a URL http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/25/48hours/main2124568.shtml More info: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/JeremyPerkins/CoverUp/ There is no such thing. http://www.lovt.com/alerts/prescription/ I will help you *see*... ***** Experts estimate that two-thirds of the deaths and injuries caused by prescription drugs *****could be prevented.****** >****** Adverse drug reactions in hospital patients alone account for an estimated 106,000 deaths and 2.2 million injuries each year, according to a study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. This study did not even include deaths and injuries caused by errors.***** ****** Another study at the Harvard School of Public Health found that 6.5 percent of the patients at two Boston teaching hospitals had been injured by their medications. One-third of these injuries were the result of a mistake.****** These numbers alone tell us the number of people *****unnecessarily***** killed and injured by prescription drugs has reached ****epidemic proportions.****** > These numbers vastly eclipse the number of people killed or seriouslyinjured in car accidents each year. These numbers also raise some alarming questions: *****Why is this happening? Who is responsible? Why aren't those responsible doing more to stop it? What can we do about it?****** More Drugs than Time One reason so many people are being needlessly hurt and killed by prescription drugs is because, as a society, we are using ******so many drugs.***** ******The National Association of Chain Drug Stores reported that in 1992, 2.03 billion prescriptions were dispensed in retail pharmacies. By 1998, the figure was 2.78 billion. By the year 2005, it is expected to be 4 billion. That means America?s retail pharmacies alone are now processing well over 90 prescriptions per second, 24 hours a day, every day of the year. By 2005 they will have to dispense over 126 prescriptions per second.***** ****** If retail pharmacists can hold the injury or death due to error rate to one-tenth of one percent, one in every thousand prescriptions, there will be over 4 million deaths or injuries from pharmacy errors. The industry itself estimates that errors occur about one-half of one-percent of the time. This would translate into 8 million errors annually by the year 2005.**** ****** These numbers do not take into account any of the prescription drugs given to patients in hospitals, or in the doctor?s office. All together, the number of prescriptions being filled far exceeds the amount of time necessary to safely administer the drugs.****** It may be impossible for the health care community to eliminate all deaths and injuries caused by prescription drugs. However, given the ***** enormous scope**** of this problem, *****something must be done.***** *****We cannot tolerate > hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths every year. At some point we must conclude that the cure is worse than the disease.******** ************* Bad System**************** ******Responsibility for this problem lies with the overall health caredelivery system.**** *******At every step there is more that can be done, and must be done, to improve the system.***** Pharmacies are under increasing pressure to fill more prescriptions in less time. Is this because Americans need the drugs? Partly. Is it because pharmacies must reduce prices and increase sales to stay competitive? Partly. Is it because the pharmaceutical industry is under testing and over marketing drugs to create markets for them to drive their profits ever higher? Partly. Is it because doctors are overwhelmed, and failing to read the information they must keep up with in order to adequately care for their patients? Partly. *****Whatever the reasons, the results have been predictable: more errors, more needless injuries, more needless deaths.****** The Pharmacies Pharmacies have tried to cope with the situation in a number of ways. > Some have installed a computer system that warns of common prescription errors, such as overdoses or potentially harmful drug interactions. Others have turned to using pharmacy "techs", to help the pharmacist. However, both of these solutions have been *****grossly inadequate.****** *******The problem is much deeper than either of these solutions can solve.******* The computer system ****has not solved the problem.***** The Institute for Safe > Medication Practices recently tested the computer system in use by many pharmacies. Their study asked 307 hospital pharmacies to fill 10 different drug orders that had killed patients in 1998. Some contained an overdose. Others called for two drugs that were deadly in combination. Only four of the 307 pharmacies detected all 10 unsafe orders; a success rate of less than 2 percent, *******far from tolerable.******* Hiring unskilled "technical assistants" has also failed to help, and in many cases is responsible for causing more errors in dispensing drugs. > The problem of hiring "techs" to assist pharmacists has recently come under heavy scrutiny. News sources have revealed that many of these "techs" are nothing more than high school students willing to work for minimum wage, who have very little or no training. In some cases these people have been expected to completely process entire drug prescriptions, *****even though this is illegal and extremely dangerous.****** The Doctors > One of the overwhelming problems that only gets compounded by the current systems is the lack of standardization by doctors in the way they order prescriptions. For example, the vast majority of prescriptions are still hand written by the doctor. In a world where drug names can be frightfully confusing, it is ridiculous that pharmacists must decipher handwritten scribbles when their misinterpretation could mean a death sentence for some innocent consumer. For instance, the arthritis drug "Celebrex" is frequently mistaken for the anti-seizure medication "Cerebyx", and the anti-depressant "Celexia." While there are available methods for physicians to use automated programs for writing prescriptions, *******few physicians use them even when they are readily available.***** **** While the ultimate responsibility for making sure that the drug dispensed is the same as the drug the doctor intended to prescribe lies primarily with the pharmacist, the doctor bears some of the responsibility to communicate clearly.**** > Also, doctors tend to rely far too heavily on drug salespeople. ****Instead of reading and understanding the available literature on a drug, doctors frequently prescribe medicine based only on their conversations***** with the drug manufacturer?s detail person. Doctors many times ****fail to do their own research to understand the drugs***** they prescribe, the potential side effects, or the consequences of one drug being taken with another. *******The inevitable result is more needless suffering by the patients the doctors set out to help.******** Drug Manufacturers Share the Blame Drug manufacturers share the blame for this state of affairs. The manufacturers have a duty to make sure the drugs they put on the market *******are safe****** , and that the drugs effectively do what the manufacturer says they will do. *****The manufacturer must also adequately warn of known side effects and adverse drug interactions. In recent years the pharmaceutical companies have been bringing drugs to the market ****with ever less testing***** *****with ever less assurance that the drugs are safe.***** And, most importantly, even with knowledge of dangerous side effects, some drug manufacturers are choosing to ***************lie to the FDA************, ***************lie to doctors,*************** ******** and lie to the public******* ********** in order to reap ever increasing profits.*********** The Fen-Phen fiasco well illustrates the *****greed andirresponsibility***** of the drug manufacturing industry. In that case, American Home Products (AHP), the maker of the dangerous drug Fenfluramine [the "Fen" part of > Fen-Phen], had more reports of heart valve problems by 1995 than it did of hair loss. However, AHP chose to warn of hair loss, but *****did not even report the findings of heart valve damage to the FDA.******* This was because AHP knew that a warning of hair loss would probably not affect sales dramatically. However, if AHP were required to warn physicians and the public about the potential for serious heart valve damage, such a warning *****would drastically hurt sales.***** Therefore, AHP consciously elected to *****withhold vital information that would have saved lives.***** Thousands of people now have confirmed, serious heart valve problems because of AHP?s ************* dishonesty.**************** Increasing numbers of drugs have had to be recalled because of their serious, often deadly side effects. The FDA is simply not big enough to keep track of all of the new drug applications sent in by drug manufacturers. ******The economic and political pressure on the FDA to > approve new drugs is immense.***** Buildings full of well paid **************lobbyists*************** for the drug industry line the streets of Washington D.C., all of them with ***** one goal: increase profits, decrease liability.******** The result is shoddy drugs with inadequate warnings of side effects. *******This, in turn, leads to more needless death and injury.******************* Blame the Patient One of the reasons this problem has not gotten more publicity is that there is a tendency among *****manufacturers, doctors, hospitals and pharmacies to blame the patient*********** This is both a natural knee-jerk response, and a *****calculated effort to avoid liability.*********** *****It?s not our > fault, it?s the patient?s.****** (One can see the reason ofr the NEEDLESS mistakes and deaths) (One can also see the total lack of character and morals by Mark Probert with his usual despicable tactics. Jan They argue that the patient should have > reviewed the prescription better. Or the patient should have noticed the > pills were a different color than usual. Or the patient should have > told them more information. Or, the patient was sick anyway, otherwise > they wouldn't have needed medicine. Or, simply, "Mistakes will happen, > if we had to pay for all of them, we couldn't stay in business, so go > away." > These forms of "blame the patient" ignore the fact that it is the > manufacturer?s duty to make the drug safe and to warn of known side > effects; it is the doctor?s duty to read and understand the literature > relevant to the drugs his/her patient takes; and it is the pharmacist?s > duty and the doctor?s duty to get the prescription right, and to take > reasonable steps to know any relevant patient information that might > affect the prescription or dose. > Many states require the pharmacy to keep a patient profile, listing known > drug allergies, other medications, and other relevant information. > Pharmacists have an independent duty to make sure the drugs they dispense > are the drugs the doctor prescribed, and that they > are not dangerous because of some other drug the patient is taking, or > because of the dose prescribed by the doctor. > The patient is most often the least educated, least informed link in the > health care chain. It is unconscionable to expect the patient to bear the > weight of all of the bad decisions made throughout the health > care system. Patients should have a right to expect the other health care > professionals to do a reasonable job. We must all trust health care > professionals with our lives from time to time. However, increasingly, > this trust is hard to justify. > Accountability > Holding doctors, hospitals, pharmacies, and drug companies accountable > for the injuries and deaths they cause is part of the solution. Liability > alone will not fix the problem. However, if it starts costing > the health care industry more money to "do it wrong than to do it right," > maybe the industry itself will start working harder to solve these > problems. As long as the industry continues to reap huge profits > despite the horrendous number of mistakes, the problem will continue. > No civilized society should tolerate the carnage we are currently > experiencing because of prescription drug mistakes. The number of those > killed and injured annually is probably four to eight times the number > of people hurt or killed in traffic accidents. This means we are all four > to eight times more likely to be hurt or killed by a misfilled > prescription drug than in a car accident. And this is based on numbers > put out by the medical community and the pharmaceutical industry itself. > The real numbers may even be higher. > The first step is to report all adverse drug events to the FDA. The next > step is for those seriously injured, and the families of those killed by > prescription drug errors to file claims against those responsible. This > kind of pressure is what finally forced car manufacturers to install > seatbelts, the makers of baby beds to put the > bars closer together so babies don't strangle, and the maker of at least > one brand of guns to install child safety locks. Our system of justice is > not perfect. Some say it is the worst justice system in the > world - until you compare it to the rest. > *******Accountability is at the root of our justice system. Why? Because > while freedom entails responsibility - accountability is our only civil means > of coercing responsible, just behavior********** == http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11355786/ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9818616/ A routine epidural turns deadly Free video. Excerpt: Infections contracted in hospitals are the fourth largest killer in the United States, causing as many deaths as AIDS, breast cancer and auto accidents combined. - One out of every 20 hospital patients gets an infection. That's 2 million Americans a year, and an estimated 103,000 of them die. - The single most important way to reduce hospital infection, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is for doctors and other health care workers to clean their hands in between treating patients. Source: Journal of Emerging Infectious Diseases, Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. You were saying......................... >> Scientology - A Question of Faith >> Did A Mother's Faith Contribute To Her Murder? [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/JeremyPerkins/CoverUp/ >There is no such thing. What are you talking about? Are you worried about the word "victim"? The woman refused to allow her schizophrenic son to have treatment. He killed her because he didn't have treatment to address his illness. She was a victim. Oh, I get it - you , in your rigid and concrete thinking, don't understand the word "$cientology". When are you going to address the fact that the founder of Scientology (Happy now? There's the correct word.) said that Jesus was a pedophile. Do you think that L. Ron Hubbard was right when he said this? <snip stuff about prescription drugs, which has NOTHING to do with the anti-psychiatry actions of Scientology>  SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com There is no such thing. http://www.lovt.com/alerts/prescription/ I will help you *see*... ***** Experts estimate that two-thirds of the deaths and injuries caused by prescription drugs *****could be prevented.****** >****** Adverse drug reactions in hospital patients alone account for an estimated 106,000 deaths and 2.2 million injuries each year, according to a study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. This study did not even include deaths and injuries caused by errors.***** ****** Another study at the Harvard School of Public Health found that 6.5 percent of the patients at two Boston teaching hospitals had been injured by their medications. One-third of these injuries were the result of a mistake.****** These numbers alone tell us the number of people *****unnecessarily***** killed and injured by prescription drugs has reached ****epidemic proportions.****** > These numbers vastly eclipse the number of people killed or seriouslyinjured in car accidents each year. These numbers also raise some alarming questions: *****Why is this happening? Who is responsible? Why aren't those responsible doing more to stop it? What can we do about it?****** More Drugs than Time One reason so many people are being needlessly hurt and killed by prescription drugs is because, as a society, we are using ******so many drugs.***** ******The National Association of Chain Drug Stores reported that in 1992, 2.03 billion prescriptions were dispensed in retail pharmacies. By 1998, the figure was 2.78 billion. By the year 2005, it is expected to be 4 billion. That means America?s retail pharmacies alone are now processing well over 90 prescriptions per second, 24 hours a day, every day of the year. By 2005 they will have to dispense over 126 prescriptions per second.***** ****** If retail pharmacists can hold the injury or death due to error rate to one-tenth of one percent, one in every thousand prescriptions, there will be over 4 million deaths or injuries from pharmacy errors. The industry itself estimates that errors occur about one-half of one-percent of the time. This would translate into 8 million errors annually by the year 2005.**** ****** These numbers do not take into account any of the prescription drugs given to patients in hospitals, or in the doctor?s office. All together, the number of prescriptions being filled far exceeds the amount of time necessary to safely administer the drugs.****** It may be impossible for the health care community to eliminate all deaths and injuries caused by prescription drugs. However, given the ***** enormous scope**** of this problem, *****something must be done.***** *****We cannot tolerate > hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths every year. At some point we must conclude that the cure is worse than the disease.******** ************* Bad System**************** ******Responsibility for this problem lies with the overall health caredelivery system.**** *******At every step there is more that can be done, and must be done, to improve the system.***** Pharmacies are under increasing pressure to fill more prescriptions in less time. Is this because Americans need the drugs? Partly. Is it because pharmacies must reduce prices and increase sales to stay competitive? Partly. Is it because the pharmaceutical industry is under testing and over marketing drugs to create markets for them to drive their profits ever higher? Partly. Is it because doctors are overwhelmed, and failing to read the information they must keep up with in order to adequately care for their patients? Partly. *****Whatever the reasons, the results have been predictable: more errors, more needless injuries, more needless deaths.****** The Pharmacies Pharmacies have tried to cope with the situation in a number of ways. > Some have installed a computer system that warns of common prescription errors, such as overdoses or potentially harmful drug interactions. Others have turned to using pharmacy "techs", to help the pharmacist. However, both of these solutions have been *****grossly inadequate.****** *******The problem is much deeper than either of these solutions can solve.******* The computer system ****has not solved the problem.***** The Institute for Safe > Medication Practices recently tested the computer system in use by many pharmacies. Their study asked 307 hospital pharmacies to fill 10 different drug orders that had killed patients in 1998. Some contained an overdose. Others called for two drugs that were deadly in combination. Only four of the 307 pharmacies detected all 10 unsafe orders; a success rate of less than 2 percent, *******far from tolerable.******* Hiring unskilled "technical assistants" has also failed to help, and in many cases is responsible for causing more errors in dispensing drugs. > The problem of hiring "techs" to assist pharmacists has recently come under heavy scrutiny. News sources have revealed that many of these "techs" are nothing more than high school students willing to work for minimum wage, who have very little or no training. In some cases these people have been expected to completely process entire drug prescriptions, *****even though this is illegal and extremely dangerous.****** The Doctors > One of the overwhelming problems that only gets compounded by the current systems is the lack of standardization by doctors in the way they order prescriptions. For example, the vast majority of prescriptions are still hand written by the doctor. In a world where drug names can be frightfully confusing, it is ridiculous that pharmacists must decipher handwritten scribbles when their misinterpretation could mean a death sentence for some innocent consumer. For instance, the arthritis drug "Celebrex" is frequently mistaken for the anti-seizure medication "Cerebyx", and the anti-depressant "Celexia." While there are available methods for physicians to use automated programs for writing prescriptions, *******few physicians use them even when they are readily available.***** **** While the ultimate responsibility for making sure that the drug dispensed is the same as the drug the doctor intended to prescribe lies primarily with the pharmacist, the doctor bears some of the responsibility to communicate clearly.**** > Also, doctors tend to rely far too heavily on drug salespeople. ****Instead of reading and understanding the available literature on a drug, doctors frequently prescribe medicine based only on their conversations***** with the drug manufacturer?s detail person. Doctors many times ****fail to do their own research to understand the drugs***** they prescribe, the potential side effects, or the consequences of one drug being taken with another. *******The inevitable result is more needless suffering by the patients the doctors set out to help.******** Drug Manufacturers Share the Blame Drug manufacturers share the blame for this state of affairs. The manufacturers have a duty to make sure the drugs they put on the market *******are safe****** , and that the drugs effectively do what the manufacturer says they will do. *****The manufacturer must also adequately warn of known side effects and adverse drug interactions. In recent years the pharmaceutical companies have been bringing drugs to the market ****with ever less testing***** *****with ever less assurance that the drugs are safe.***** And, most importantly, even with knowledge of dangerous side effects, some drug manufacturers are choosing to ***************lie to the FDA************, ***************lie to doctors,*************** ******** and lie to the public******* ********** in order to reap ever increasing profits.*********** The Fen-Phen fiasco well illustrates the *****greed andirresponsibility***** of the drug manufacturing industry. In that case, American Home Products (AHP), the maker of the dangerous drug Fenfluramine [the "Fen" part of > Fen-Phen], had more reports of heart valve problems by 1995 than it did of hair loss. However, AHP chose to warn of hair loss, but *****did not even report the findings of heart valve damage to the FDA.******* This was because AHP knew that a warning of hair loss would probably not affect sales dramatically. However, if AHP were required to warn physicians and the public about the potential for serious heart valve damage, such a warning *****would drastically hurt sales.***** Therefore, AHP consciously elected to *****withhold vital information that would have saved lives.***** Thousands of people now have confirmed, serious heart valve problems because of AHP?s ************* dishonesty.**************** Increasing numbers of drugs have had to be recalled because of their serious, often deadly side effects. The FDA is simply not big enough to keep track of all of the new drug applications sent in by drug manufacturers. ******The economic and political pressure on the FDA to > approve new drugs is immense.***** Buildings full of well paid **************lobbyists*************** for the drug industry line the streets of Washington D.C., all of them with ***** one goal: increase profits, decrease liability.******** The result is shoddy drugs with inadequate warnings of side effects. *******This, in turn, leads to more needless death and injury.******************* Blame the Patient One of the reasons this problem has not gotten more publicity is that there is a tendency among *****manufacturers, doctors, hospitals and pharmacies to blame the patient*********** This is both a natural knee-jerk response, and a *****calculated effort to avoid liability.*********** *****It?s not our > fault, it?s the patient?s.****** (One can see the reason ofr the NEEDLESS mistakes and deaths) (One can also see the total lack of character and morals by Mark Probert with his usual despicable tactics. Jan They argue that the patient should have > reviewed the prescription better. Or the patient should have noticed the > pills were a different color than usual. Or the patient should have > told them more information. Or, the patient was sick anyway, otherwise > they wouldn't have needed medicine. Or, simply, "Mistakes will happen, > if we had to pay for all of them, we couldn't stay in business, so go > away." > These forms of "blame the patient" ignore the fact that it is the > manufacturer?s duty to make the drug safe and to warn of known side > effects; it is the doctor?s duty to read and understand the literature > relevant to the drugs his/her patient takes; and it is the pharmacist?s > duty and the doctor?s duty to get the prescription right, and to take > reasonable steps to know any relevant patient information that might > affect the prescription or dose. > Many states require the pharmacy to keep a patient profile, listing known > drug allergies, other medications, and other relevant information. > Pharmacists have an independent duty to make sure the drugs they dispense > are the drugs the doctor prescribed, and that they > are not dangerous because of some other drug the patient is taking, or > because of the dose prescribed by the doctor. > The patient is most often the least educated, least informed link in the > health care chain. It is unconscionable to expect the patient to bear the > weight of all of the bad decisions made throughout the health > care system. Patients should have a right to expect the other health care > professionals to do a reasonable job. We must all trust health care > professionals with our lives from time to time. However, increasingly, > this trust is hard to justify. > Accountability > Holding doctors, hospitals, pharmacies, and drug companies accountable > for the injuries and deaths they cause is part of the solution. Liability > alone will not fix the problem. However, if it starts costing > the health care industry more money to "do it wrong than to do it right," > maybe the industry itself will start working harder to solve these > problems. As long as the industry continues to reap huge profits > despite the horrendous number of mistakes, the problem will continue. > No civilized society should tolerate the carnage we are currently > experiencing because of prescription drug mistakes. The number of those > killed and injured annually is probably four to eight times the number > of people hurt or killed in traffic accidents. This means we are all four > to eight times more likely to be hurt or killed by a misfilled > prescription drug than in a car accident. And this is based on numbers > put out by the medical community and the pharmaceutical industry itself. > The real numbers may even be higher. > The first step is to report all adverse drug events to the FDA. The next > step is for those seriously injured, and the families of those killed by > prescription drug errors to file claims against those responsible. This > kind of pressure is what finally forced car manufacturers to install > seatbelts, the makers of baby beds to put the > bars closer together so babies don't strangle, and the maker of at least > one brand of guns to install child safety locks. Our system of justice is > not perfect. Some say it is the worst justice system in the > world - until you compare it to the rest. > *******Accountability is at the root of our justice system. Why? Because > while freedom entails responsibility - accountability is our only civil means > of coercing responsible, just behavior********** == http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11355786/ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9818616/ A routine epidural turns deadly Free video. Excerpt: Infections contracted in hospitals are the fourth largest killer in the United States, causing as many deaths as AIDS, breast cancer and auto accidents combined. - One out of every 20 hospital patients gets an infection. That's 2 million Americans a year, and an estimated 103,000 of them die. - The single most important way to reduce hospital infection, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is for doctors and other health care workers to clean their hands in between treating patients. Source: Journal of Emerging Infectious Diseases, Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. You were saying......................... <snip Jan's incoherent nonsense> Jan would rather a psychotic kill his own mother than to agree with Mark P. and Peter B. that there is a role for antipsychotic drugs in this world, and that the science fiction cult that L. Ron Hubbard founded is a bunch of wrong-thinking creeps. Now, it behooves us all to ignore the fact that Jan herself takes a neurotropic (look it up, Jan) agent on a daily basis...that's her business and no one should inject that bit of information into this discussion... Mark, MD Don't forget the 650 Big Pharm lobbyists in DC, paid near 1/2 $mil/yr each--we only have 550 legislators--who also all own stock in Big Pharm. -- Mr. P.V.'d (formerly Droll Troll), Yonkers, NY Ever-preparing for The Grand Insertion Party Nominee, IPPVM Independent Party of the Proctologically Violated®© (M)a.ses "That's proly not a hemorrhoid you're feeling.... " entropic3.14decay at optonline2.718 dot net; remove pi and e to reply--ie, all d'numbuhs > There is no such thing. > [quoted text clipped - 474 lines] >> >> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/JeremyPerkins/CoverUp/ > Scientology - A Question of Faith > Did A Mother's Faith Contribute To Her Murder? [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > ©MMVI, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. Our culture has advanced???? To begin with scientology is strictly a mesmerizing bunch of nonsense. Anti psychotic drugs DO work and work wonders. Our culture is Too humane to lock up people with that disorder. We would rather see some innocent person slaughtered than confine a dangerous person. We actually believe that the mentally "different" people will follow our rules. We now only confine AFTER there has been a slaughter. Typical pseudo doctor "Take this (give this) pill and come back every week". Can anyone here actually believe that one of these pseudo doctors would analyze a person and call the authorities to have that person locked up? Of course it all starts with a pseudo "analysis". Scientology = Psychiatry = Scientology = Cult = Psychiatry > Scientology - A Question of Faith > Did A Mother's Faith Contribute To Her Murder? [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > ©MMVI, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. I was home and watched this program. The interview with the son is available online. If anyone still believes that Scientology/CCHR are benign organizations, then they support murderers. |
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