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Jan Drew - 27 Oct 2006 21:58 GMT [sorry folks, this is going to be long, but is necessary to refut the many lies and misleading info. I will snip Peter's dancing and asking me questions becasue he know he hasn't answered mine].
No need to cover what has already been posted.
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http://www.waste.ky.gov/NR/rdonlyres/B2493D20-3208-4CC1-8A74-D655C9224ACB/0/Merc urySpills5_5_05pdf.pdf
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There is a lack of convincing evidence of a link between dental amalgam restorations and specific diseases and symptoms" and "Nor is there any evidence of improvements in health upon removal of dental amalgam fillings. Further, no studies have been conducted comparing the health outcomes of people with and without dental amalgam fillings".
*Substantial* *real* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut* *reasonable* *significant* *credibile* *compelling* *copious* *direct* *reliable* *adequate* *solid*
http://www.vimy-dentistry.com/nhanesstudy.htm
http://tinyurl.com/dpjdj
FASEB J. 1995 Apr;9(7):504-8.Related Articles, Links
Comment in: FASEB J. 1995 Nov;9(14):1499-500.
Mercury exposure from "silver" tooth fillings: emerging evidence questions a traditional dental paradigm.
Lorscheider FL, Vimy MJ, Summers AO.
Department of Medical Physiology, Faculty of Medicine, University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
For more than 160 years dentistry has used silver amalgam, which contains approximately 50% Hg metal, as the preferred tooth filling material. During the past decade medical research has demonstrated that this Hg is continuously released as vapor into mouth air; then it is inhaled, absorbed into body tissues, oxidized to ionic Hg, and finally covalently bound to cell proteins. Animal and human experiments demonstrate that the uptake, tissue distribution, and excretion of amalgam Hg is significant, and that dental amalgam is the major contributing source to Hg body burden in humans. Current research on the pathophysiological effects of amalgam Hg has focused upon the immune system, renal system, oral and intestinal bacteria, reproductive system, and the central nervous system. Research evidence does not support the notion of amalgam safety.
Publication Types PMID: 7737458 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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1: Ned Tijdschr Tandheelkd. 1993 Apr;100(4):179-82.Related Articles, Links
[Amalgam. IV. Metabolism of mercury]
[Article in Dutch]
Gladys S, van Meerbeek B, Vanherle G, Lambrechts P.
Afdeling Conserverende Tandheelkunde en Tandheelkundige Materialen, School voor Tandheelkunde, Mondziekten en Kaakchirurgie, Katholieke Universiteit te Leuven, Belgie.
After absorption in the body by four ways, each type of mercury undergoes a specific metabolism. Elementary mercury as mercury vapour becomes rapidly oxidized to Hg2+ and, afterwards, is metabolized as an inorganic mercurial compound. From the blood circulation mercury reaches target organs like the kidneys, the central nervous system, the liver and the hypophysis, in which mercury accumulates. The retention time varies by organ and is longest in the brain. Mercury is mainly eliminated with urine and faeces, to a lesser degree with transpiration and mother's milk and sometimes by respiration.
Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial
PMID: 11822127 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://www.greenfacts.org/mercury/l-2/mercury-2.htm#2
.2 How are we exposed to mercury? The main source of elemental mercury vapour is dental amalgam (a tooth filling). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra ct&list_uids=11799732 1: Bull Group Int Rech Sci Stomatol Odontol. 2000 May-Dec;42(2-3):88-93.Related Articles, Links
Salivary mercury levels in healthy donors with and without amalgam fillings.
Pizzichini M, Fonzi M, Gasparoni A, Fonzi L.
Department of Biomedical Science, University of Siena, Siena, Italy.
Dental amalgam (AMG) is the most diffused dental filling material. Since it is constituted for at least 40-45% of Hg, many questions have raised about its safe use. Hg particles from dental amalgam dissolve in saliva and, being ingested, they reach the blood stream through the intestinal mucosa. It has been demonstrated that amalgam fillings continuously release Hg vapour and that there is detectable Hg in expired and inspired air of amalgam owners. It is not yet fully accepted that AMG fillings represent the principal source of Hg for man and the aim of this study was to evaluate if the mercury level in saliva: 1) was higher within people bearing dental amalgam restorations than in people with no restorations; 2) was different between males or females; 3) increased in relation to the surface of amalgam restorations. The results showed a correlation between number of fillings and salivary Hg, between amalgam surface and salivary Hg. The Authors could finally assert that AMG fillings represented the principal source of salivary Hg in the subjects studied.
PMID: 11799732 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra ct&list_uids=14651282
1: J Endod. 2003 Nov;29(11):743-6.Related Articles, Links
In vitro neurotoxic evaluation of root-end-filling materials.
Asrari M, Lobner D.
Department of Endodontics, Marquette University School of Dentistry, Milwaukee, WI 53233, USA. masrari@wi.rr.com
Root-end-filling materials have been tested for toxicity on several cell types, but their toxicity has not been tested on neurons. In this study we evaluated the neurotoxicity in murine cerebral cortical cell cultures of four commonly used root-end-filling materials: mineral trioxide aggregate, amalgam, Super EBA, and Diaket. Standardized amounts of each material were placed on culture-well inserts, allowing the material to be exposed to the culture bathing media without causing physical disruption of the cells. Cell death was quantified by assaying release of the cytosolic enzyme lactate dehydrogenase. Exposure of cortical cultures to freshly mixed or 7-day-old MTA did not cause significant neuronal death, whereas exposure to freshly mixed or 7-day-old amalgam, Super EBA, and Diaket resulted in significant neuronal death (p < .05). Thus, each material, except for mineral trioxide aggregate, can induce neurotoxicity, even when allowed to set thoroughly.
PMID: 14651282 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra ct&list_uids=12752546
Community Dent Oral Epidemiol. 2003 Jun;31(3):200-6.Related Articles, Links
Reporting on adverse reactions to dental materials--intraoral observations at a clinical follow-up.
Lygre GB, Gjerdet NR, Gronningsaeter AG, Bjorkman L.
Dental Biomaterials Adverse Reaction Unit, University of Bergen, Norway. Gunvor.Lygre@odont.uib.no
OBJECTIVES: A national reporting system designed to monitor adverse reactions to dental materials was established in Norway in 1993. The activities have also included clinical examination of patients with suspected reactions to dental materials. The ongoing activities are coordinated by the Dental Biomaterials Adverse Reaction Unit at the University of Bergen. The reporting procedure is based on voluntary spontaneous reporting by dentists and physicians. The reports could be based on subjective symptoms or objective findings, or both. The aim of the present study was to compare reported objective intraoral findings with those found during examination at the unit. METHODS: Reported reactions were compared with clinical findings obtained following dental and medical examination at the unit. From 1993 to 1999, a total of 899 reports were received while 253 patients were referred and examined at the unit. RESULTS: The reports on patients who were examined at the unit involved mainly reactions related to amalgam fillings (84%), metals in fixed dentures (11%), resin-based materials and cements (4%), materials used in removable dentures (2%), and endodontic materials (2%). Edema, lichenoid reactions, ulcers/vesicles, erythema, and atrophy were found in 80 patients during the examination at the unit. For 35 of these patients, the intraoral findings at the unit were also given in the reports. For another 45 patients, objective intraoral signs of reactions were found upon examination at the unit, but these findings had not been reported. CONCLUSION: A spontaneous reporting system is a cost-effective method for monitoring intraoral reactions associated with dental materials. Considering the increasing number and complexity of these materials, there appears to be a need for continuous validation of reports by a speciality unit. In order to receive more accurate information about the adverse reactions, it would be advisable that the reporting forms include more detailed guidance regarding signs of reactions that practitioners should be on the look out for and consider.
PMID: 12752546 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra ct&list_uids=12018634
J Nephrol. 2002 Mar-Apr;15(2):171-6.Related Articles, Links
Mercury in dental restoration: is there a risk of nephrotoxicity?
Mortada WL, Sobh MA, El-Defrawy MM, Farahat SE.
Urology and Nephrology Center, Mansoura University, Faculty of Science, Egypt.
BACKGROUND: Concern has been voiced about exposure to mercury (Hg) from dental amalgam fillings, and there is a need to assess whether this leads to signs of nephrotoxicity. METHODS: A total of 101 healthy adults (80 males and 21 females) were included in this study. The population as grouped into those having amalgam fillings (39 males and 10 females) and those without (41 males and 11 females). Hg was determined in blood, urine, hair and nails to assess exposure. Urinary excretion of beta2-microglobulin (beta2M), N-acetyl-beta-D-glucosaminidase (NAG), gamma-glutamyltransferase (gammaGT) and alkaline phosphatase (ALP) were determined as markers of tubular damage. Albuminuria was assayed as an early indicator of glomerular dysfunction. Serum creatinine, beta2M and blood urea nitrogen (BUN) were determined to assess glomerular filtration. RESULTS: Hg levels in blood and urine were significantly higher in persons with dental amalgam than those without; in the dental amalgam group, blood and urine levels of Hg significantly correlated with the number of amalgams. Urinary excretion of NAG, gammaGT and albumin was significantly higher in persons with dental amalgam than those without. In the amalgam group, urinary excretion of NAG and albumin significantly correlated with the number of fillings. Albuminuria significantly correlated with blood and urine Hg. CONCLUSION: From the nephrotoxicity point of view, dental amalgam is an unsuitable filling material, as it may give rise to Hg toxicity. Hg levels in blood and urine are good markers of such toxicity. In these exposure conditions, renal damage is possible and may be assessed by urinary excretions of albumin, NAG, and gamma-GT.
PMID: 12018634 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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1: Stomatologiia (Mosk) 1997;76(4):9-11 Related Articles, Books[Patterns of mercury release from amalgam fillings into the oral cavity].[Article in Russian]Motorkina AV, Barer GM, Volozhin AI.
Seventy-five subjects aged 20 to 57 with 1 to 15 fillings of silver amalgam were examined. The level of mercury vapors in the oral cavity was assessed using an AGP-01 device and the method developed by the authors. Emission of mercury vapors in the oral cavity increased with the number of fillings. The concentration of mercury in the oral cavity depends largely on the number of silver amalgam fillings and less so on these fillings' length of service.AdvDent Res 1992 Sep;6:110-3
Related Articles, Books, LinkOut Side-effects: mercury contribution to body burden from dental amalgam.Reinhardt JW.Department of Operative Dentistry, University of Iowa College of Dentistry,Iowa City 52242.
The purpose of this paper is to examine and report on studies that relate mercury levels in human tissues to the presence of dental amalgams, giving special attention to autopsy studies. Until recently, there have been few published studies examining the relationship between dental amalgams and tissue mercury levels. Improved and highly sensitive tissue analysis techniques have made it possible to measure elements in the concentration range of parts per billion. The fact that mercury can be absorbed and reach toxic levels in humantissues makes any and all exposure to that element of scientific interest.
Dental amalgams have long been believed to be of little significance as contributors to the overall body burden of mercury, because the elemental form of mercury is rapidly consumed in the setting reaction of therestoration. Studies showing measurable elemental mercury vapor release from dental amalgams have raised renewed concern about amalgam safety.
Mercury vapor absorption occurs through the lungs, with about 80% of the inhaled vapor being absorbed by the lungs and rapidly entering the bloodstream. Following distribution by blood circulation, mercury can enter and remain in certain tissues for longer periods of time, since the half-life of excretion is prolonged. Two of the primary arget organs of concern are the central nervous system and kidneys.
Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 1292449 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 1: FASEB J 1990 Nov;4(14):3256-60 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut Comment in: FASEB J. 1991 Feb;5(2):236.
Whole-body imaging of the distribution of mercury released from dental fillings into monkey tissues.Hahn LJ, Kloiber R, Leininger RW, Vimy MJ, Lorscheider FL.Department of Radiology, University of Calgary, Faculty of Medicine,Alberta,Canada.
The fate of mercury (Hg) released from dental "silver" amalgam tooth fillings into human mouth air is uncertain. A previous report about sheep revealed uptake routes and distribution of amalgam Hg among body tissues. The present investigation demonstrates the bodily distribution of amalgam Hg in a monkey whose dentition, diet, feeding regimen, and chewing pattern closely resemble those of humans.
When amalgam fillings, which normally contain 50% Hg, are made with a tracer of radioactive 203Hg and then placed into monkey teeth, the isotope appears in high concentration in various organs and tissues within 4wk. Whole-body images of the monkey revealed that the highest levels of Hg werel ocated in thekidney, gastrointestinal tract, and jaw.
The dental profession's advocacy of silver amalgam as a stable tooth restorative material is not supported by these findings.PMID:2227216 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
1: Neurotoxicology 1983 Fall;4(3):201-4 Related Articles, Books,LinkOut
Mercury toxicity and dental amalgam.Wolff M, Osborne JW, Hanson AL.There is adequate evidence that dental amalgam restorations, during and after placement, results in the release of Hg into the patient's body. Whether the Hg released from amalgam is due to placement procedures, surface abrasion, orl ater corrosion breakdown, there is evidence that a low level Hg release continues for years.
It is generally agreed that if amalgam was introduced today as a restorative material, they would never pass F.D.A. approval.
With new and more accurate techniques of measuring Hg levels, especially in tissue and blood, additional studies are necessary to relate blood-Hg levels with dental amalgam restorations. Studies must relate existing restorations as well as the placement of new restorations to body-Hg levels.
It is possible that we have accepted a potentially dangerous material as being safe.
Bull Group Int Rech Sci Stomatol Odontol. 2000 May-Dec;42(2-3):88-93.Related Articles, Links
Salivary mercury levels in healthy donors with and without amalgam fillings.
Pizzichini M, Fonzi M, Gasparoni A, Fonzi L.
Department of Biomedical Science, University of Siena, Siena, Italy.
Dental amalgam (AMG) is the most diffused dental filling material. Since it is constituted for at least 40-45% of Hg, many questions have raised about its safe use. Hg particles from dental amalgam dissolve in saliva and, being ingested, they reach the blood stream through the intestinal mucosa. It has been demonstrated that amalgam fillings continuously release Hg vapour and that there is detectable Hg in expired and inspired air of amalgam owners. It is not yet fully accepted that AMG fillings represent the principal source of Hg for man and the aim of this study was to evaluate if the mercury level in saliva: 1) was higher within people bearing dental amalgam restorations than in people with no restorations; 2) was different between males or females; 3) increased in relation to the surface of amalgam restorations. The results showed a correlation between number of fillings and salivary Hg, between amalgam surface and salivary Hg. The Authors could finally assert that AMG fillings represented the principal source of salivary Hg in the subjects studied.
PMID: 11799732 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://tinyurl.com/bc4r3
Caries Res. 2001 May-Jun;35(3):163-6.Related Articles, Links
Dental amalgam fillings and the amount of organic mercury in human saliva.
Leistevuo J, Leistevuo T, Helenius H, Pyy L, Osterblad M, Huovinen P, Tenovuo J.
The National Public Health Institute, Antimicrobial Research Laboratory, Turku University, Turku, Finland.
We studied differences in the amounts of organic and inorganic mercury in saliva samples between amalgam and nonamalgam human study groups. The amount of organic and inorganic mercury in whole saliva was measured in 187 adult study subjects. The mercury contents were determined by cold-vapor atomic absorption spectrometry. The amount of organic and inorganic mercury in paraffin-stimulated saliva was significantly higher (p<0.001) in subjects with dental amalgam fillings (n = 88) compared to the nonamalgam study groups (n = 43 and n = 56): log(e) (organic mercury) was linearly related to log(e) (inorganic mercury, r(2) = 0.52). Spearman correlation coefficients of inorganic and organic mercury concentrations with the number of amalgam-filled tooth surfaces were 0.46 and 0.27, respectively. Our results are compatible with the hypothesis that amalgam fillings may be a continuous source of organic mercury, which is more toxic than inorganic mercury, and almost completely absorbed by the human intestine.
PMID: 11385194 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://tinyurl.com/3bp8f
1: Adv Dent Res. 1992 Sep;6:110-3. Related Articles, Links
Side-effects: mercury contribution to body burden from dental amalgam.
Reinhardt JW.
Department of Operative Dentistry, University of Iowa College of Dentistry, Iowa City 52242.
The purpose of this paper is to examine and report on studies that relate mercury levels in human tissues to the presence of dental amalgams, giving special attention to autopsy studies. Until recently, there have been few published studies examining the relationship between dental amalgams and tissue mercury levels. Improved and highly sensitive tissue analysis techniques have made it possible to measure elements in the concentration range of parts per billion. The fact that mercury can be absorbed and reach toxic levels in human tissues makes any and all exposure to that element of scientific interest. Dental amalgams have long been believed to be of little significance as contributors to the overall body burden of mercury, because the elemental form of mercury is rapidly consumed in the setting reaction of the restoration. Studies showing measurable elemental mercury vapor release from dental amalgams have raised renewed concern about amalgam safety. Mercury vapor absorption occurs through the lungs, with about 80% of the inhaled vapor being absorbed by the lungs and rapidly entering the bloodstream. Following distribution by blood circulation, mercury can enter and remain in certain tissues for longer periods of time, since the half-life of excretion is prolonged. Two of the primary target organs of concern are the central nervous system and kidneys.
Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 1292449 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://tinyurl.com/2ld6k
J Alzheimers Dis. 2003 Jun;5(3):189-95. Related Articles, Links
Apolipoprotein E genotyping as a potential biomarker for mercury neurotoxicity.
Godfrey ME, Wojcik DP, Krone CA.
Bay of Plenty Environmental Health Clinic, Tauranga, New Zealand. godf...@wave.co.nz
Apolipoprotein-E (apo-E) genotyping has been investigated as an indicator of susceptibility to heavy metal (i.e., lead) neurotoxicity. Moreover, the apo-E epsilon (epsilon)4 allele is a major risk factor for neurodegenerative conditions, including Alzheimer's disease (AD). A theoretical biochemical basis for this risk factor is discussed herein, supported by data from 400 patients with presumptive mercury-related neuro-psychiatric symptoms and in whom apo-E determinations were made. A statistically relevant shift toward the at-risk apo-E epsilon4 groups was found in the patients p<0.001). The patients possessed a mean of 13.7 dental amalgam fillings and 31.5 amalgam surfaces. This far exceeds the number capable of producing the maximum identified tolerable daily intake of mercury from amalgam. The clinical diagnosis and proof of chronic low-level mercury toxicity has been difficult due to the non-specific nature of the symptoms and signs. Dental amalgam is the greatest source of mercury in the general population and brain, blood and urine mercury levels increase correspondingly with the number of amalgams and amalgam surfaces in the mouth. Confirmation of an elevated body burden of mercury can be made by measuring urinary mercury, after provocation with 2,3,-dimercapto-propane sulfonate (DMPS) and this was measured in 150 patients. Apo-E genotyping warrants investigation as a clinically useful biomarker for those at increased risk of neuropathology, including AD, when subjected to long-term mercury exposures. Additionally, when clinical findings suggest adverse effects of chronic mercury exposure, a DMPS urine mercury challenge appears to be a simple, inexpensive procedure that provides objective confirmatory evidence. An opportunity could now exist for primary health practitioners to help identify those at greater risk and possibly forestall subsequent neurological deterioration.
PMID: 12897404 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://tinyurl.com/2h6y4
Altern Med Rev. 2000 Jun;5(3):209-23. Related Articles, Links
Environmental medicine, part three: long-term effects of chronic low-dose mercury exposure.
Crinnion WJ.
Healing Naturally, 11811 NE 128th St., Suite 202, Kirkland, WA 98034, USA.
Mercury is ubiquitous in the environment, and in our mouths in the form of "silver" amalgams. Once introduced to the body through food or vapor, mercury is rapidly absorbed and accumulates in several tissues, leading to increased oxidative damage, mitochondrial dysfunction, and cell death. Mercury primarily affects neurological tissue, resulting in numerous neurological symptoms, and also affects the kidneys and the immune system. It causes increased production of free radicals and decreases the availability of antioxidants. It also has devastating effects on the glutathione content of the body, giving rise to the possibility of increased retention of other environmental toxins. Fortunately, effective tests are available to help distinguish those individuals who are excessively burdened with mercury, and to monitor them during treatment. Therapies for assisting the reduction of a mercury load include the use of 2,3-dimercaptosuccinic acid (DMSA) and 2,3-dimercato-1-propanesulfonic acid (DMPS). Additional supplementation to assist in the removal of mercury and to reduce its adverse effects is discussed.
Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 10869102 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://tinyurl.com/2gnwl
: Br Dent J. 1997 May 24;182(10):373-81. Related Articles, Links The future of dental amalgam: a review of the literature. Part 4: Mercury exposure hazards and risk assessment.
Eley BM.
Periodontal Department, King's College School of Medicine & Dentistry, London.
This is the fourth article in a series of seven on the future of dental amalgam. It first describes toxic mercury hazards from all sources of exposure including dental amalgam. It begins by considering the many problems in accurately estimating daily mercury intakes from these sources. It then describes potential mercury hazards to industrial workers and the calculation of thresholds for the general public from industrial data. The implications of these findings to the production of a safe threshold for patients with dental amalgams are then discussed. It finally discusses the attempts which have been made to carry out a risk assessment of dental amalgam. In this connection it reports the reviews of the United States Public Health Service in 1993, the Swedish National Board of Health and Welfare in 1994 and the risk assessment commissioned from Canada Health which was reported in 1995. It also includes comments on the methods used in this last report.
Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 9185355 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://tinyurl.com/yuj39
Acupunct Electrother Res. 1996 Apr-Jun;21(2):133-60. Related Articles, Links
Significant mercury deposits in internal organs following the removal of dental amalgam, & development of pre-cancer on the gingiva and the sides of the tongue and their represented organs as a result of inadvertent exposure to strong curing light (used to solidify synthetic dental filling material) & effective treatment: a clinical case report, along with organ representation areas for each tooth.
http://tinyurl.com/2gnwl
1: Br J Dermatol. 1996 Mar;134(3):420-3. Related Articles, Links
The relevance and effect of amalgam replacement in subjects with oral lichenoid reactions.
Ibbotson SH, Speight EL, Macleod RI, Smart ER, Lawrence CM.
Department of Dermatology, Royal Victoria Infirmary, Newcastle upon Tyne, U.K.
In this study we examined the prevalence of mercury hypersensitivity in patients with oral lichenoid reactions (OLR) and the effect of amalgam replacement in subjects with amalgams adjacent to OLR irrespective of their mercury sensitivity status. One hundred and ninety-seven patients with oral problems were examined: 109 with OLR, 22 with oral and generalized lichen planus, and 66 with other oral diagnoses, including aphthous ulcers and orofacial granulomatosis. Nineteen per cent of patients with OLR reacted to mercury on patch testing, significantly more than in those with generalized lichen planus (0%) and in those with other oral diagnoses (3%). Twenty-two patients with OLR and adjacent amalgams had amalgam replacement and, in 16 of 17 mercury-positive subjects and three of four mercury-negative subjects, the OLR resolved after amalgam removal. In conclusion, we found a significantly increased prevalence of mercury hypersensitivity in patients with localized OLR in comparison to subjects with other oral problems. Amalgam replacement resulted in resolution of OLR in the majority of patients with amalgams adjacent to OLR irrespective of their mercury sensitivity status.
PMID: 8731663 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://tinyurl.com/2dp6g 1: Psychol Rep. 1992 Jun;70(3 Pt 2):1139-51. Related Articles, Links
A comparison of mental health of multiple sclerosis patients with silver/mercury dental fillings and those with fillings removed.
Siblerud RL.
Rocky Mountain Research Institute, Inc., Colorado.
In this study was compared the mental health status of 47 multiple sclerosis patients with silver/mercury tooth fillings (amalgams) to that of 50 patients with their fillings removed. On the Beck Depression Inventory the multiple sclerosis subjects with amalgams suffered significantly more depression while their scores on the State-Trait Anger Expression Inventory indicated the former group also exhibited significantly more anger. On the SCL-90 Revised, subjects with amalgam fillings had significantly more symptoms of depression, hostility, psychotism, and were more obsessive-compulsive than the patients with such fillings removed. On a questionnaire containing 18 mental health symptoms multiple sclerosis subjects with amalgam fillings reported a history of 43% more symptoms than those without amalgam fillings over the past 12 months. These data suggested that the poorer mental health status exhibited by multiple sclerosis subjects with dental amalgam fillings may be associated with mercury toxicity from the amalgam.
PMID: 1496084 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://tinyurl.com/2ukse
: Am J Psychother. 1989 Oct;43(4):575-87. Related Articles, Links The relationship between mercury from dental amalgam and mental health.
Siblerud RL.
Colorado State University, Department of Physiology, Fort Collins.
The findings presented here suggest that mercury poisoning from dental amalgam may play a role in the etiology of mental illness. Comparisons between subjects with and without amalgam showed significant differences in subjective reports of mental health. Subjects who had amalgams removed reported that symptoms of mental illness lessened or disappeared after removal. The data suggest that inorganic mercury poisoning from dental amalgam does affect the mind and emotions.
PMID: 2618948 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
polipoprotein-E (apo-E) genotyping has been investigated as an indicator of susceptibility to heavy metal (i.e., lead) neurotoxicity. Moreover, the apo-E epsilon ( varepsilon )4 allele is a major risk factor for neurodegenerative conditions, including Alzheimer's disease (AD). A theoretical biochemical basis for this risk factor is discussed herein, supported by data from 400 patients with presumptive mercury -related neuro-psychiatric symptoms and in whom apo-E determinations were made. A statistically relevant shift toward the at-risk apo-E varepsilon 4 groups was found in the patients p<0.001). The patients possessed a mean of 13.7 dental amalgam fillings and 31.5 amalgam surfaces. This far exceeds the number capable of producing the maximum identified tolerable daily intake of mercury from amalgam. The clinical diagnosis and proof of chronic low-level mercury toxicity has been difficult due to the non-specific nature of the symptoms and signs. Dental amalgam is the greatest source of mercury in the general population and brain, blood and urine mercury levels increase correspondingly with the number of amalgams and amalgam surfaces in the mouth. Confirmation of an elevated body burden of mercury can be made by measuring urinary mercury, after provocation with 2,3,-dimercapto-propane sulfonate (DMPS) and this was measured in 150 patients. Apo-E genotyping warrants investigation as a clinically useful biomarker for those at increased risk of neuropathology, including AD, when subjected to long-term mercury exposures. Additionally, when clinical findings suggest adverse effects of chronic mercury exposure, a DMPS urine mercury challenge appears to be a simple, inexpensive procedure that provides objective confirmatory evidence. An opportunity could now exist for primary health practitioners to help identify those at greater risk and possibly forestall subsequent neurological deterioration. PMID: 12897404 [PubMed - in process]
JWN - please explain the following statements and enlighten me - I thought you said amalgam was definitely safe?! Why are all these scientists wasting society's valuable resources continuing to investigate this "non-issue" ? (sarcasm intended)
"The patients possessed a mean of 13.7 dental amalgam fillings and 31.5 amalgam surfaces. This far exceeds the number capable of producing the maximum identified tolerable daily intake of mercury from amalgam"
"An opportunity could now exist for primary health practitioners to help identify those at greater risk and possibly forestall subsequent neurological deterioration."
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Some medical practitioners prescribe GSH and vitamin C alone or in combination with DMPS or DMSA for patients with mercury exposure that is primarily due to the mercury vapor emitted by dental amalgams. HYPOTHESIS: This study tested the hypothesis that GSH, vitamin C, or lipoic acid alone or in combination with DMPS or DMSA would decrease brain mercury. METHODS: Young rats were exposed to elemental mercury by individual nose cone, at the rate of 4.0 mg mercury per m3 air for 2 h per day for 7 consecutive days. After a 7-day equilibrium period, DMPS, DMSA, GSH, vitamin C, lipoic acid alone, or in combination was administered for 7 days and the brain and kidneys of the animals removed and analyzed for mercury by cold vapor atomic absorption. RESULTS: None of these regimens reduced the mercury content of the brain. Although DMPS or DMSA was effective in reducing kidney mercury concentrations, GSH, vitamin C, lipoic acid alone, or in combination were not. CONCLUSION: One must conclude that the palliative effect, if any, of GSH, vitamin C, or lipoic acid for treatment of mercury toxicity due to mercury vapor exposure does not involve mercury mobilization from the brain and kidney. PMID: 12870874 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
JWN - please explain the following statements and enlighten me - I thought you said amalgam was definitely safe?! Why are all these scientists wasting society's valuable resources continuing to investigate this "non-issue" ? (sarcasm intended)
"...mercury exposure that is primarily due to the mercury vapor emitted by dental amalgams"
"...for treatment of mercury toxicity due to mercury vapor exposure..."
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AIMS: This paper reviews the studies, both in vivo and in vitro, carried out for the project on low-dose effects of inorganic mercury, financed by the Italian Ministry of Universities and Scientific and Technological Research. RESULTS, COMMENTS AND PROPOSAL: The results offer both innovative aspects and potential practical applications. Particular attention is drawn to the reliability of biomarkers of exposure [mercury in urine (HgU) and blood (HgB), possibility of speciation] as well as to the availability of guidance values for risk assessment (reference value, action level, biological threshold value). In the general population, HgU and HgB levels are significantly related to the presence of dental amalgams and to fish consumption; nevertheless, such exposure levels do not elicit adverse health effects on renal, immune and nervous functions, according to the markers evaluated in the studies. The present biological threshold values for occupational exposure appear adequate to prevent health effects, considering the immune system, kidney and central nervous system as the target organs. However, possible effects of low doses of mercury on immune and neuroendocrine functions should be further examined; moreover, consideration should be given to the risk of consuming fish species with high Hg content, particularly concerning the renal and central nervous system effects. Finally, further studies should be planned on other potentially important effects, that could not be considered in this study, such as those on prenatal development, the cardiovascular system and the thyroid gland. PMID: 12197280 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
JWN - please explain the following statements and enlighten me - I thought you said amalgam was definitely safe?! Why are all these scientists wasting society's valuable resources continuing to investigate this "non-issue" ? (sarcasm intended)
"...HgU and HgB levels are significantly related to the presence of dental amalgams and to fish consumption"
"However, possible effects of low doses of mercury on immune and neuroendocrine functions should be further examined"
"Finally, further studies should be planned on other potentially important effects, that could not be considered in this study, such as those on prenatal development, the cardiovascular system and the thyroid gland"
http://tinyurl.com/uxrw
http://tinyurl.com/uxt2
http://tinyurl.com/uxth
http://tinyurl.com/uxtt
http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/15721/story.htm
LONDON - Dentists are more likely to suffer memory and kidney problems which could be due to long-term exposure to mercury in tooth fillings, doctors said today.
A study of 180 dentists by researchers at the Glasgow Royal Infirmary in Scotland found they had up to four times the normal level of mercury in their urine and nails and had more kidney disorders and memory lapses than the general public. "We found several differences in the health and cognitive functioning between our dentists and the control group," Dr Ewan Macdonald said in a report in the Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine.
"These differences could not be directly attributed to their exposure to mercury, but as mercury exposure at higher levels is known to cause similar health effects an association cannot be ruled out," he added.
Mercury has been used in dentistry for about 150 years but some dentists and researchers believe the fillings can give off harmful vapours that can be dangerous for dentists and patients.
Critics of the fillings claim the mercury can poison the body and lead to health problems affecting the kidneys and other organs and neurological diseases such as Alzheimer's.
But dental associations say it is safe when mixed with other metals and there are no scientific studies to prove a link between the filling and health problems.
The researchers in Glasgow compared mercury levels in urine, hair and nail samples and the results of psychomotor skills, response times, word recall and health problems of the 180 dentists and an equal number of volunteers.
The dentists had higher levels of the metal in their bodies, reported more health problems and did worse on the tests than the volunteers.
"The prevalence of self reported renal disease and memory disorders reflects other reports and suggests that these may be occupationally related," Macdonald added.
http://www.zipworld.com.au/~rgammal/Are_Dentist_Really_Healthy.html
http://tinyurl.com/ccz3
Health and neuropsychological functioning of dentists exposed to mercury.
Ritchie KA, Gilmour WH, Macdonald EB, Burke FJ, McGowan DA, Dale IM, Hammersley R, Hamilton RM, Binnie V, Collington D.
Institute of Hearing Research (Scottish Section), Glasgow Royal Infirmary, Glasgow, Scotland, UK. k...@ihr.gla.ac.uk
OBJECTIVES: A cross sectional survey of dentists in the west of Scotland and unmatched controls was conducted to find the effect of chronic exposure to mercury on health and cognitive functioning. METHODS: 180 dentists were asked to complete a questionnaire that included items on handling of amalgam, symptoms experienced, possible influences on psychomotor function, and the 12 item general health questionnaire. Dentists were asked to complete a dental chart of their own mouths and to give samples of urine, hair, and nails for mercury analysis. Environmental measurements of mercury in dentists' surgeries were made and participants undertook a package of computerised psychomotor tests. 180 control subjects underwent a similar procedure, completing a questionnaire, having their amalgam surfaces counted, giving urine, hair, and nail samples and undergoing the psychomotor test package. RESULTS: Dentists had, on average, urinary mercury concentrations over four times that of control subjects, but all but one dentist had urinary mercury below the Health and Safety Executive health guidance value. Dentists were significantly more likely than control subjects to have had disorders of the kidney and memory disturbance. These symptoms were not significantly associated with urinary mercury concentration. Differences were found between the psychomotor performance of dentists and controls after adjusting for age and sex, but there was no significant association between changes in psychomotor response and mercury concentrations in urine, hair, or nails. CONCLUSIONS: Several differences in health and cognitive functioning between dentists and controls were found. These differences could not be directly attributed to their exposure to mercury. However, as similar health effects are known to be associated with mercury exposure, it would be appropriate to consider a system of health surveillance of dental staff with particular emphasis on symptoms associated with mercury toxicity where there is evidence of high levels of exposure to environmental mercury.
PMID: 11983843 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://tinyurl.com/dbhg9
Neurophysiological and neuropsychological function in mercury-exposed dentists.
Shapiro IM, Cornblath DR, Sumner AJ, Uzzell B, Spitz LK, Ship II, Bloch P.
In a study of the relation between cumulative exposure to mercury and chronic health impairment 298 dentists had their mercury levels measured by an X-ray fluorescence technique. Electrodiagnostic and neuropsychological findings in the dentists with more than 20 micrograms/g tissue mercury levels were compared with those of a control group consisting of dentists with no detectable mercury levels. 30% of the 23 high mercury dentists had polyneuropathies. No polyneuropathies were detected in the control group. The high mercury group had mild visuographic dysfunction; they also had more symptom-distress than did the control group. These findings suggest that the use of mercury as a restorative material is a health risk for dentists.
PMID: 6122938 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://tinyurl.com/msg59
Neuropsychological effects of low mercury exposure in dental staff in Erzurum, Turkey.
Aydin N, Karaoglanoglu S, Yigit A, Keles MS, Kirpinar I, Seven N.
Ataturk Universitesi, Tip Fakultesi, Psikiyatri Anabilim Dali, 25240 Erzurum, Turkey. nmd...@hotmail.com
OBJECTIVE: To carry out measurements of the Hg levels and personal exposure in Turkish dental clinics, and to evaluate possible adverse effects on the CNS in dental personnel. SETTING: Five dental clinics (1 private, 4 public) in Erzurum, Turkey. SUBJECTS AND METHODS: 43, Hg vapour-exposed dental staff were examined and 43 hospital employees with no known exposure to Hg acted as the control group. Hg concentrations in plasma and urine were analysed by atomic absorption spectrophotometry. Possible effects on the central nervous system (CNS) were estimated by neuropsychological tests (Weschler Memory Scale-Revised (WMS-R) and Verbal Test of Memory Processes (VTMP)) and two self-administered questionnaires (Symptom Checklist-90-Revised (SCL-90-R) and Beck Depression Inventory (BDI)). RESULTS: The dental staff group had higher whole blood (B-Hg) and urine (U-Hg) Hg levels than the control group. The mean B-Hg value was 2.18 nmol/l and U-Hg was 1.17 nmol/mmol creatinine. U-Hg had an inverse relationship with logical memory (in WMS-R test) and total retention score (in VTMP test), and a positive relationship with increased scores of Anxiety and Psychoticism (in SCL-90-R). CONCLUSION: These results may represent long-term consequences of low Hg exposure. In dentistry, to decrease toxic effects, proper Hg hygiene should be practiced by all dental health care workers.
http://tinyurl.com/z6jhk
Behavioral effects of low-level exposure to elemental Hg among dentists.
Echeverria D, Heyer NJ, Martin MD, Naleway CA, Woods JS, Bittner AC Jr.
Battelle Center for Public Health Research and Evaluation (CPHRE), Seattle, WA 98105, USA.
Exposure thresholds for health effects associated with elemental mercury (Hg degree) exposure were examined by comparing behavioral test scores of 19 exposed (mean urinary Hg = 36 micrograms/l) with those of 20 unexposed dentists. Thirty-six micrograms Hg/l is 7 times greater than the 5 micrograms Hg/l mean level measured in a national sample of dentists. To improve the distinction between recent and cumulative effects, the study also evaluated porphyrin concentrations in urine, which are correlated with renal Hg content (a measure of cumulative body burden). Subjects provided an on-site spot urine sample, were administered a 1-h assessment consisting of a consent form, the Profile of Mood Scales, a symptom and medical questionnaire, and 6 behavioral tests: digit-span, symbol-digit substitution, simple reaction time, the ability to switch between tasks, vocabulary, and the One Hole Test. Multivariate regression techniques were used to evaluate dose-effects controlling for the effects of age, race, gender and alcohol consumption. A dose-effect was considered statistically significant below a p value of 0.05. Significant urinary Hg dose-effects were found for poor mental concentration, emotional lability, somatosensory irritation, and mood scores. Individual tests evaluating cognitive and motor function changed in the expected directions but were not significantly associated with urinary Hg. However, the pooled sum of rank scores for combinations of tests within domains were significantly associated with urinary Hg, providing evidence of subtle preclinical changes in behavior associated with Hg exposure. Coproporphyrin, one of three urinary porphyrins altered by mercury exposure, was significantly associated with deficits in digit span and simple reaction time.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)
Publication Types: a.. Clinical Trial b.. Randomized Controlled Trial
PMID: 7760775 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://tinyurl.com/qehsr
Women in dental surgeries: reproductive hazards in occupational exposure to metallic mercury.
Sikorski R, Juszkiewicz T, Paszkowski T, Szprengier-Juszkiewicz T.
Clinic of Gynaecology, Institute of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Academy of Medicine, Lublin, Poland.
Eighty-one women (45 dentists and 36 dental assistants) occupationally exposed to metallic mercury underwent a toxicoclinical examination. Total mercury lebels (TMLs) were determined in scalp and pubic hair by cold vapour AAS. Furthermore a detailed questionnaire study was made concerning adverse reproductive events. TMLs in the hair of the exposed women examined exceeded significantly those determined in the hair of 34 controls not exposed to mercury. All exposed women had continued working during pregnancy. There was a significant, positive association between TMLs in the hair of exposed women and the occurrence of reproductive failures in their history. The relation between TMLs in the scalp hair and the prevalence of menstrual cycle disorders was statistically significant. These findings indicate that dental work could be another occupational hazard with respect to reproductive processes.
PMID: 3679554 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://tinyurl.com/rvmr5
Neurophysiological and neuropsychological function in mercury-exposed dentists.
Shapiro IM, Cornblath DR, Sumner AJ, Uzzell B, Spitz LK, Ship II, Bloch P.
In a study of the relation between cumulative exposure to mercury and chronic health impairment 298 dentists had their mercury levels measured by an X-ray fluorescence technique. Electrodiagnostic and neuropsychological findings in the dentists with more than 20 micrograms/g tissue mercury levels were compared with those of a control group consisting of dentists with no detectable mercury levels. 30% of the 23 high mercury dentists had polyneuropathies. No polyneuropathies were detected in the control group. The high mercury group had mild visuographic dysfunction; they also had more symptom-distress than did the control group. These findings suggest that the use of mercury as a restorative material is a health risk for dentists.
PMID: 6122938 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://www.chem-tox.com/immunesystem/dentalfillings/amalgams.htm
http://www.nutrition4health.org/NOHAnews/NNF98SilverFillingsUpdate.htm
http://www.bioprobe.com/ReadNews.asp?article=28
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4160895.stm
BBC News World Edition Jan 10, 2005 Crematoria warned over mercury: Crematoria contribute 16% of the UK's mercury emissions Strict rules for crematoria to limit mercury pollution caused when tooth fillings are vaporised have been announced by ministers. The industry has been told mercury filtering equipment must be fitted at crematoria by 2012 to halve emissions. Exposure to the metal is linked to damage to the brain, nervous system and fertility with crematoria responsible for 16% of the UK's mercury pollution. But the industry said it was an over-reaction and would lead to price rises. The filters are quite large and some crematoria are in small buildings that are listed so it may not be possible to install them." He also said the equipment, which costs ££250,000, would be too expensive for some of the 650 crematoria in the UK. However, he allayed fears crematoria would be forced to close - originally it was thought one in four would not be able to cope once the new rules came into place. Emissions He said the industry was setting up a "trading scheme" which would allow crematoria without filters too buy credits off ones that do have them. As the equipment reduces mercury emissions by up to 99% and the rules stipulate emissions must be halved, crematoria with the equipment will be able to make up the shortfall for crematoria without the filters. And the National Association of Funeral Directors (NAFD) estimated it would add upto ££100 to the price of cremation, which currently cost between ££250 to ££350. Alan Slater, chief executive of the NAFD, said: "What concerns us is that bereaved families will have to bear the cost of this. "Crematorium managers will pass the costs on but it is funeral directors who will have to address the issue with relatives." However, the government defended the new rules, saying that unless action was taken mercury emissions would rise by two-thirds by 2020. The government is committed to reducing mercury pollution under the UN Heavy Metals Protocol. Restrictions on other industries have already helped reduce mercury emissions from 31.6 tonnes in 1990 to eight tonnes in 2002. And Environment Minister Larry Whitty said: "By 2020, crematoria will be by far the biggest single contributor to mercury emissions in this country. "Something must be done. Our decision - on which we consulted widely - strikes a balance between the concerns about cost to crematoria and the need to control emissions of a substance which can damage human health and the environment."
http://www.jg-shelton.co.uk/id14.html
http://www.toxicteeth.org/pressRoom_pastPress.cfm http://www.holisticmed.com/dental/amalgam
Amalgam / Mercury Dental Filling Toxicity
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http://www.valleyadvocate.com/articles/dental.html
[no longer available--see below]
Autopsy studies in Sweden, Germany and the United States have also established that people with amalgams have significantly more mercury in their brains and kidneys than those without, and the mercury concentration increases with the number of amalgams. Furthermore, the World Health Organization has stated that amalgam fillings constitute the majority of mercury exposure for people with amalgams -- more than every other mercury source combined. This finding has been independently verified by the national insurance program Health Canada and by the National Institutes of Dental Research.
http://www.acnem.org/journal/12-2_december_1993/is_dental_amalgam_safe-part_1.htm
http://www.jouglimlag.co.za/Journal%20of%20Natural%20Health%20Dental%20article.pdf
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http://altmedangel.com/mercury.htm
13. Both Health Canada (1996) and the World Health Organization (1991) consider dental amalgam to be the single largest source of mercury exposure for the general public, with amalgam potentially contributing up to 84% (WHO, 1991) of total daily intake of all forms of mercury from all sources. Therefore, the level of exposure resulting from amalgam is not an issue of contention. The WHO also noted that for mercury vapor, a specific no-observed-effects level (NOEL) cannot be established i.e. no level of mercury vapor has been found that can be considered harmless.
Jan Drew - 27 Oct 2006 22:09 GMT See inserted below.
> [sorry folks, this is going to be long, but is necessary to refut the many > lies [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > *significant* *credibile* *compelling* *copious* *direct* *reliable* > *adequate* *solid* http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.dentistry/msg/e99d9f88f7fd4507?hl=en&
> http://www.vimy-dentistry.com/nhanesstudy.htm > [quoted text clipped - 1169 lines] > no-observed-effects level (NOEL) cannot be established i.e. no level of > mercury vapor has been found that can be considered harmless. Jan Drew - 27 Oct 2006 23:12 GMT Coleah thinks this is crap.
> See inserted below. > [quoted text clipped - 1264 lines] >> specific no-observed-effects level (NOEL) cannot be established i.e. no >> level of mercury vapor has been found that can be considered harmless. Jan Drew - 28 Oct 2006 07:27 GMT http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/fc181e36c99d314a
Max C. - 27 Oct 2006 22:20 GMT I know I can't be the only one thinking this... so I'm just going to go ahead and say it. These threads that have been started for the sole purpose of attacking another poster are getting old. It detracts from the credibility of this group and from the credibility of the poster. It's one thing to debate something someone said in the context of the original thread. It's quite another to start threads that are specifically designed to attack another person.
I know both "sides" are doing it, and I think both "sides" need to stop. Jan, you are helping the pharma guys ruin the credibility of this group when you play their games like this. When you want to post something like this, ask yourself "If someone looking for alternative health information were to come to this group for the first time, what would they think of this post?" When I first came to this group, I saw a lot of these. My first thought was, jeez, what a bunch a bickering hens. I now understand that the bickering is here by design. Its purpose is to drive away new comers so that they don't learn what we have to offer. I stuck around, but only because I wan't here looking for specific information. I wanted to share the info I have. Those who come here looking will be put off by these posts.
I know it's easy to think of groups like this as a sort of home. We have to remember, though, that it is NOT *our* group. This group belongs to anyone who comes here. We should keep it nice for everyone else.
My point is, if you continue to play this game the way you are, they win. You're doing exactly what they want you to do... ruining the credibility of this group.
I'll step down off my soap box now.
Max.
Jan Drew - 27 Oct 2006 23:27 GMT >I know I can't be the only one thinking this... so I'm just going to go > ahead and say it. These threads that have been started for the sole [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Max. Not at all.
I will expose the lies about *mercury amalgams*, as *I* was poisoned. That DOES make a difference.
Max C. - 28 Oct 2006 02:02 GMT > >I know I can't be the only one thinking this... so I'm just going to go > > ahead and say it. These threads that have been started for the sole [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > I will expose the lies about *mercury amalgams*, as *I* was poisoned. > That DOES make a difference. I think that's a worthy cause, but you should direct your aggressions towards the subject, not a particular person. That one simple change will make your posts more accepted by a larger audience.
Max.
Peter Bowditch - 28 Oct 2006 01:43 GMT >I know I can't be the only one thinking this... so I'm just going to go >ahead and say it. These threads that have been started for the sole [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >Max. Thank you, Max.
All I have ever attempted to do in this thread is to get Jan to reply honestly to my original posting, but she has refused to do that.
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Max C. - 28 Oct 2006 02:08 GMT > >I know I can't be the only one thinking this... so I'm just going to go > >ahead and say it. These threads that have been started for the sole [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Thank you, Max. I call 'em like I see 'em.
> All I have ever attempted to do in this thread is to get Jan to reply > honestly to my original posting, but she has refused to do that. I hope it was understood that I was directing that post to everyone, not just Jan.
Max.
Peter Bowditch - 28 Oct 2006 06:38 GMT >> >I know I can't be the only one thinking this... so I'm just going to go >> >ahead and say it. These threads that have been started for the sole [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >I hope it was understood that I was directing that post to everyone, >not just Jan. Certainly.
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Mark Probert - 28 Oct 2006 16:30 GMT > I know I can't be the only one thinking this... so I'm just going to go > ahead and say it. These threads that have been started for the sole [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > I'll step down off my soap box now. Nah...keep it up.
IIRC, you tried this once before.
Pretty soon, I will call you Don Quixote.
Sdores - 28 Oct 2006 17:18 GMT Good post, I would like to see more positive things posted about different things too. But shouldn't the title be different then having a name of a person in it? I took the name out. UM MOM Susan
>I know I can't be the only one thinking this... so I'm just going to go > ahead and say it. These threads that have been started for the sole [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Max. Jan Drew - 29 Oct 2006 04:46 GMT > Good post, I would like to see more positive things posted about different > things too. But shouldn't the title be different then having a name of a > person in it? I took the name out. UM MOM Susan lol. Proving you are once again a proven*gang* member. Leaving my name in........................
Original groups restored.
>>I know I can't be the only one thinking this... so I'm just going to go >> ahead and say it. These threads that have been started for the sole [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> >> Max. Peter Bowditch - 29 Oct 2006 09:01 GMT >> Good post, I would like to see more positive things posted about different >> things too. But shouldn't the title be different then having a name of a >> person in it? I took the name out. UM MOM Susan > >lol. Proving you are once again a proven*gang* member. Leaving my name >in........................ Maybe I'm a bit slow today, but could you explain how removing my name became "Leaving [your] name in"?
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Coleah - 29 Oct 2006 13:27 GMT >>> Good post, I would like to see more positive things posted about >>> different [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > became "Leaving [your] name in"? > Peter Bowditch aa #2243 I can't believe Jan Drewski has plopped 'peacemaker' UM MOM Susan into her category of *gang* members !! Jan's list of *gang* members grows faster than the numbers of parasites Jan claimed she found in a bucket of her evacuated feces which she fingered through.
We know Jan is an odd duck, a hateful, judgmental (heavy on the 'mental), insulting holier-than-thou fanatical Christian who is one can shy of a six pack.....could it be due to plain 'ole genes or is it her amalgam-mouth that has makes her appear crazy as a loon?
(Que Jan to post a diatribe of unattributed quotes from someone, about something....add a bunch of newsgroups that have absolutely no interest in her 'issues'.....and rave on that anyone who complains is part of a *gang*)
Chortle, chortle.....gotta get another cup of coffee over the reality of it all. What an insane world!
Jan Drew - 30 Oct 2006 00:43 GMT Absolutely nothing about the subject. Which was changed.
Jan Drew - 30 Oct 2006 00:40 GMT >>> Good post, I would like to see more positive things posted about >>> different [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Maybe I'm a bit slow today, but could you explain how removing my name > became "Leaving [your] name in"? Peter Bowditch - 30 Oct 2006 02:30 GMT >>>> Good post, I would like to see more positive things posted about >>>> different [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> Maybe I'm a bit slow today, but could you explain how removing my name >> became "Leaving [your] name in"? I take that as a "No".
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Coleah - 27 Oct 2006 22:23 GMT What has this crap to do with alt.support.breast-implant ?????????? Are you nutz?
> [sorry folks, this is going to be long, but is necessary to refut the many > lies [quoted text clipped - 1212 lines] > no-observed-effects level (NOEL) cannot be established i.e. no level of > mercury vapor has been found that can be considered harmless. Rich - 28 Oct 2006 00:13 GMT Jan, NOBODY is going to read all that crap, including, I'll wager, Peter Bowditch.
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Jan Drew - 28 Oct 2006 01:36 GMT > Jan, NOBODY is going to read all that crap, including, I'll wager, Peter > Bowditch. LOL!! Do post his lying websites again, including the SPAM.
Poor Richey, the *I don't give a damn if Peter lies to you,this newsgroup, his mother,or the pope.
> --Rich Peter Bowditch - 28 Oct 2006 02:18 GMT >> Jan, NOBODY is going to read all that crap, including, I'll wager, Peter >> Bowditch. > >LOL!! Do post his lying websites again, including the SPAM. Which lying websites would those be, Jan? I am still waiting for you to point out a single lie on any of my sites. Remember that I am always ready to correct mistakes, and I do so whenever someone politely points one out (which is rare). I even made a correction to something I had written about Tim Bolen once because a member of his family wrote to me with some information which was not publicly available.
Try not to refer to other places where you have made the "lying websites" claim. Just list the URLs of the pages containing lies, quote the words of the lies, and provide a brief description of the reasoning behind calling the words "lies".
Here are some pages to start with. What are the lies on these pages?
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/massmedia.htm
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/pasteur.htm
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/tjapaltjarri.htm
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/creation.htm
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/ausscience0307.htm
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/mlmarithmetic.htm
And where is this spam you keep talking about? Surely you can't be abusing the language to complain about the fact that I sell books and ask for donations. You constantly post links to sites which do both of them and even to sites which are obviously just commercial sites selling products and services, so whining about me could be seen as hypocrisy on your part.
>Poor Richey, the *I don't give a damn if Peter lies to you,this newsgroup, >his mother,or the pope. > >> --Rich >  Signature Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
Jan Drew - 28 Oct 2006 07:14 GMT http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f58b65d5e008f6e5
Peter Bowditch - 28 Oct 2006 01:55 GMT >Jan, NOBODY is going to read all that crap, including, I'll wager, Peter >Bowditch. You won the bet.
Until Jan addresses my original post by responding to it in a civilised and proper manner, I will not be debating the issue with her.
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Jan Drew - 28 Oct 2006 02:05 GMT http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/f58b65d5e008f6e5
Peter Bowditch - 28 Oct 2006 06:43 GMT >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/f58b65d5e008f6e5 Is that supposed to be an answer to my request for evidence?
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©®©@®.©®© - 28 Oct 2006 08:37 GMT > >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/f58b65d5e0 > >08f6e5 > > Is that supposed to be an answer to my request for evidence? Peter. why even reply to these a-holes?
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Peter Bowditch - 28 Oct 2006 08:50 GMT >> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/f58b65d5e0 >> >08f6e5 >> >> Is that supposed to be an answer to my request for evidence? > >Peter. why even reply to these a-holes? I have just sent my last reply, unless Jan wants to debate in a civilised fashion.
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Coleah - 28 Oct 2006 12:40 GMT >> ©®©@®.©®© wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Peter Bowditch Oooh, gosh Peter.....Hell WILL freeze over sooner than Jan will be able to debate in a civilized fashion. Historically, she just moves on to harass new people to whom she will yelp: 'Liar, Liar'. (Perhaps from her many years with ill behaved toddlers at her day care, her abilities to interact with functional adults are permanently tainted).
Jan Drew - 29 Oct 2006 00:05 GMT >> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/f58b65d5e0 >> >08f6e5 >> >> Is that supposed to be an answer to my request for evidence? > > Peter. why even reply to these a-holes? ©®©@®.©®©
The worse thing my dentist ever did was cause my wallet to be empty.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.dentistry/msg/8463cad3aa2db2d3
Troll motherf..ker.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.drugs.hard/msg/91cbbeb0a8711d3f
I know some docs that act like that when you want some vikes. I have even had some not accept my money and refer me to the highest price a.shole they can find.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.drugs.hard/msg/0946951b9b0a2e39
"projectile vomit chick" <projectile_vomit_ch...@msn.com> wrote:
> I know this stuff has been discussed in here before, but I'm really > interested in trying some. Has anyone here ever bought any over the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the web and would like to share your experience, I would be most > obliged. /\_\ / / /_ / /_/\ \ _\ \/ \ \ /\ \ /\ \_\ \ \/ \ \/_/ \ /\ \_\ \/_/ / / / / / \/_/
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.drugs.hard/msg/2c2d3f24b3337436
"unsubtle 420name brah" <unsubtle_420name_b...@witty.com> wrote:
> =A9=AE=A9@=AE.=A9=AE=A9 wrote: > > "projectile vomit chick" <projectile_vomit_ch...@msn.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > the web and would like to share your experience, I would be most > > > obliged.
> > /\_\ > > / / /_ [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > --=20 > > .
> are you having an ascii-tantrum? Yes madam
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.drugs.psychedelics/msg/59823038862fbe81
No wonder you're such a c.nt.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.drugs.psychedelics/msg/76edad7779f4a8c2
>Joel <j...@usa.net> wrote: >> "projectile vomit chick" <projectile_vomit_ch...@msn.com> wrote:
>> >I have arthiritis in my hands and my neck from my methamphetamine >> >heydays. Ugh...
>No wonder you're such a c.nt.
>???????????????????????? Dweeb, a month and a half is an eternity on Usenet. PVC is alright, in my book.
 Signature Joel Crump
I'm bipartisan, and bisexual.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.drugs.psychedelics/msg/c9121c443e5958c0
Too much window peeping f.cks up the old neck!
Peter Bowditch - 29 Oct 2006 01:09 GMT >Troll motherf..ker.
>No wonder you're such a c.nt. Was this necessary, Jan? I assume that they are your words, as there was no indication that you were quoting anyone.
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Jan Drew - 29 Oct 2006 06:28 GMT >>Troll motherf..ker. > >>No wonder you're such a c.nt. > > Was this necessary, Jan? I assume that they are your words No, they are not my words!
, as there
> was no indication that you were quoting anyone. Reading problems, Peter?
Of course there was!
Jan Drew - 29 Oct 2006 06:43 GMT >>>Troll motherf..ker. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Of course there was! Ready to apologize???
Peter Bowditch - 29 Oct 2006 08:55 GMT >>>>Troll motherf..ker. >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >Ready to apologize??? What for? I'm not the person who used vile language and then denied using it.
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Peter Bowditch - 29 Oct 2006 08:55 GMT >>>Troll motherf..ker. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Of course there was! Umm, Jan, there was no ">" at the start of the lines in your post where those lines appeared. Therefore there was no indication that you were quoting anyone. Ipso facto (*) they appeared to be your words. I was shocked! Two exclamation marks shocked!!
(*) I apologise if using Popish Latin upsets your sensibilities, but I am old fashioned like that. Also, when I was studying law ...
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Jan Drew - 30 Oct 2006 01:24 GMT http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/09b03cbc8bacbf50
Oct 28 2006 2:58 am
I have just sent my last reply, unless Jan wants to debate in a civilised fashion.
Jan Drew - 28 Oct 2006 02:01 GMT > [sorry folks, this is going to be long, but is necessary to refut the many > lies [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > *significant* *credibile* *compelling* *copious* *direct* *reliable* > *adequate* *solid* http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.dentistry/msg/e99d9f88f7fd4507?hl=en&
> http://www.vimy-dentistry.com/nhanesstudy.htm > [quoted text clipped - 1169 lines] > no-observed-effects level (NOEL) cannot be established i.e. no level of > mercury vapor has been found that can be considered harmless. Mark - 28 Oct 2006 04:50 GMT Jan, sweetie, you just posted I-don't-know-how-many lines of sh.t that no one is going to read because the way you randomly cut 'n' paste makes no sense.
If you really have a point to make, please crawl out of your bottle long enough to sober up and make a coherent post, mmm-kay?
Better yet, why don't you make an argument concerning an alternative health topic instead of posting God knows how large reams of gibberish attempting to attack an individual person... Granted, I have engaged in attacking you on occasion, but that was primarily due to your own actions (ask me, and I'll elaborate), but those were actions/words that were malicious on your part and had nothing to do with the discussion of alternative health.
Mark, MD
P.S. Who wants to talk about glyconutrients?
(...as he gags at the thought of his dying patient's Mom spending hundreds of dollars a month on this nonsense...)
Peter Bowditch - 28 Oct 2006 06:49 GMT >P.S. Who wants to talk about glyconutrients? I've just received an email from a Mannacreep telling me of all the situations in which Mannatech has been the only company to do something - appearing before Congress, being mentioned in journals, etc. If half of it is true I can see the Nobel committees all getting together and awarding all of the 2007 prizes to the man at the top of Mannatech. Yes, even the Peace Prize (which was not won by Dr Blobel for his work which had nothing to do with Mannatech),
It will take me a week or so identify all the lies and half-truths in it, but when I do the results will be published here.
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Peter Bowditch - 28 Oct 2006 06:49 GMT >>P.S. Who wants to talk about glyconutrients? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >It will take me a week or so identify all the lies and half-truths in >it, but when I do the results will be published here. When I said "here", I of course did not mean the newsgroups alt.support.breast-implant or misc.headlines. I only initiate threads in places where what I am writing is on-topic.
(In-joke for $cientology watchers - I lurk in alt.religion.scientology, where "OT" might mean "off topic". Or it might not.)
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Jan Drew - 28 Oct 2006 07:16 GMT > Jan, This thread is not about me.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f58b65d5e008f6e5
Peter Bowditch - 28 Oct 2006 08:50 GMT >> Jan, > >This thread is not about me. > >http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f58b65d5e008f6e5 You made it about you when you made it about me.
Searched all groups Results 1 - 10 of 70 for otters f.ck jan drew (0.33 seconds)
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Jan Drew - 29 Oct 2006 06:40 GMT >>> Jan, >> >>This thread is not about me. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f58b65d5e008f6e5
> You made it about you when you made it about me. Wrong again.
> Searched all groups Results 1 - 10 of 70 for otters f.ck jan drew > (0.33 seconds) Thanks for showing more of your deceit.
Peter Bowditch - 29 Oct 2006 09:01 GMT >>>> Jan, >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Thanks for showing more of your deceit. I apologise. I thought that it was otters, but:
Searched all groups Results 1 - 10 of 152 for lobsters f.ck jan drew (0.36 seconds)
Lobsters! EEEWWWW!!
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