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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / September 2006The Ty Pennington Story
http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ > http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ Promoting drugs again, Markey? The promo doesn't even mention the fact that Canada has pulled Adderall due to instances of sudden death. Hopefully, Ty will remain one of the lucky ones. But who knows? http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/adderall.html >> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ > > Promoting drugs again, Markey? The promo doesn't even mention the fact > that Canada has pulled Adderall due to instances of sudden death. > Hopefully, Ty will remain one of the lucky ones. But who knows? > http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/adderall.html Oh, come on Peter. After death the parents don't have to cope with their brats if the brats die. I use the term brat as what the parents think of their untrained children. There are a lot suicides also, for people who can't cope. These are prescribed suicides. (No fault deaths) > >> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > brats if the brats die. I use the term brat as what the parents think of > their untrained children. Markey is Ty's daddy? You're right, Ty is in serious trouble. > There are a lot suicides also, for people who can't cope. These are > prescribed suicides. (No fault deaths) You make a valid point there. PeterB >>http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ > > Promoting drugs again, Markey? The promo doesn't even mention the fact > that Canada has pulled Adderall due to instances of sudden death. > http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/nr-cp/2005/2005_92_e.html AFAIK, Canada reversed it's 02/05 ban of Adderall XR in 8/05. http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/nr-cp/2005/2005_92_e.html Nancy Unique, like everyone else >>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/nr-cp/2005/2005_92_e.html Thanks, Nancy...I was thinking that it had been reversed, but I couldn't find a link. I guess Petey will will have to come up with some more bullshit. >>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I guess Petey will will have to come up with some more bullshit. You clearly were promoting drugs. A G A I N! > Mark Probert wrote: >> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ ©2006 Shire US Inc., Wayne, Pennsylvania > >>http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > AFAIK, Canada reversed it's 02/05 ban of Adderall XR in 8/05. I don't suppose the reversal brought those dead kids back to life? Canada has a history of pandering to pharmaceutical interests; a temporary ban on dangerous drugs is just PR to quiet down public outcry. Think Vioxx. > http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/nr-cp/2005/2005_92_e.html > > Nancy > Unique, like everyone else >>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I don't suppose the reversal brought those dead kids back to life? I do not suppose that you could provide evidence that the medication were the proximate cause of the deaths? > Canada has a history of pandering to pharmaceutical interests; a > temporary ban on dangerous drugs is just PR to quiet down public > outcry. Think Vioxx. We are not discussing Vioxx. And, the above paragraph is devoid of relevant facts. >> http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/nr-cp/2005/2005_92_e.html >> >> Nancy >> Unique, like everyone else > >>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ > >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I do not suppose that you could provide evidence that the medication > were the proximate cause of the deaths? It's not my job to prove your sponsors' noxious poisons are dangerous, Markey, it's your job to prove they aren't. > > Canada has a history of pandering to pharmaceutical interests; a > > temporary ban on dangerous drugs is just PR to quiet down public > > outcry. Think Vioxx. > > We are not discussing Vioxx. And, the above paragraph is devoid of > relevant facts. Aderall and Vioxx experienced a temporary ban in order to quet down public outcry, however. Unfortunately, neither action brought the dead back to life. > >> http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/nr-cp/2005/2005_92_e.html > >> > >> Nancy > >> Unique, like everyone else >>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>> Promoting drugs again, Markey? The promo doesn't even mention the fact [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > It's not my job to prove your sponsors' a.shole noxious poisons are dangerous, > Markey, it's your job to prove they aren't. Sorry, boob, but you made a claim when you implied that Adderall was the cause of death. You should be able to prove it, or acknowledge that you were posting flatulence again. If you bother to look, which would be a first, you would not find any evidence of a causal connection. The fact is that some people taking the medication died. Whether there is a link or not is unproven. Of course, unproven information is your expertise. >>> Canada has a history of pandering to pharmaceutical interests; a >>> temporary ban on dangerous drugs is just PR to quiet down public [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > public outcry, however. Unfortunately, neither action brought the dead > back to life. Prove that Adderall was the proximate cause, or even a remote cause of the deaths. You cannot. You are blowing smoke. Your specialty. >>>> http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/nr-cp/2005/2005_92_e.html >>>> >>>> Nancy >>>> Unique, like everyone else >>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>> Promoting drugs again, Markey? The promo doesn't even mention the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > a.shole There's the kinder and gentler poster............. > noxious poisons are dangerous, >> Markey, it's your job to prove they aren't. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > If you bother to look, which would be a first, you would not find any > evidence of a causal connection. Poor Mark just cannot stop lying. FACT: sudden deaths of 12 American children on Adderall for ADHD. The fact is that some people taking the > medication died. Whether there is a link or not is unproven. Of course, > unproven information is your expertise. Wow....there is no evidence....then some died. Markey, Markey, Markey, would you care to post the *enitre* list of side effects? >>>> Canada has a history of pandering to pharmaceutical interests; a >>>> temporary ban on dangerous drugs is just PR to quiet down public [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Prove that Adderall was the proximate cause, or even a remote cause of the > deaths. You cannot. You are blowing smoke. Your specialty. How about *sudden*............ Poor, pathetic, Markey. >>>>> http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/nr-cp/2005/2005_92_e.html >>>>> >>>>> Nancy >>>>> Unique, like everyone else >> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ ©2006 Shire US Inc., Wayne, Pennsylvania > Promoting drugs again, Markey? The promo doesn't even mention the fact > that Canada has pulled Adderall due to instances of sudden death. > Hopefully, Ty will remain one of the lucky ones. But who knows? > http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/adderall.html > http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have ever seen. As someone who has actually had some training in psychology or behavioral science, I can say that it is an excellent illustration of sick science and a money making scam. UNBELIEVABLE that people get sucked into that trash. It makes as much sense as a parent joining a certain Islam sect and strapping dynamite to their kids and telling them they are expected to take some dogs with them. THEY absolutely believe the nonsense. There is no logic to change their mind. Absolutely pitiful. How can ANY intelligent person, even without training fall for that, except to use as a failure excuse. Of course it is / was on T.V. and there is little or no intellect there. >> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ > > The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have ever > seen. From you, Vernon, that means that it has something valid to say. > As someone who has actually had some training in psychology or behavioral > science, Was that before or after youbecame a rocket scientist/high ranking government official, bgtween your eighth and ninth careers? I can say that it is an excellent illustration of sick science and > a money making scam. Sure it is... > UNBELIEVABLE that people get sucked into that trash. Imagine that a person is sucked in because they want to adequately function in society. > It makes as much sense as a parent joining a certain Islam sect and > strapping dynamite to their kids and telling them they are expected to take > some dogs with them. THEY absolutely believe the nonsense. There is no > logic to change their mind. That is an absurd analogy. > Absolutely pitiful. > > How can ANY intelligent person, even without training fall for that, except > to use as a failure excuse. > Of course it is / was on T.V. and there is little or no intellect there. >>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >> >> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have ever >> seen. > > From you, Vernon, that means that it has something valid to say. No, it means I have seen a lot of trash and a lot of cons. I recognize them right away. >> As someone who has actually had some training in psychology or behavioral >> science, > > Was that before or after youbecame a rocket scientist/high ranking > government official, bgtween your eighth and ninth careers? Before AND during. > I can say that it is an excellent illustration of sick science and >> a money making scam. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Imagine that a person is sucked in because they want to adequately > function in society. Oh, boy. Drugs are the answer to everything. >> It makes as much sense as a parent joining a certain Islam sect and >> strapping dynamite to their kids and telling them they are expected to >> take some dogs with them. THEY absolutely believe the nonsense. There >> is no logic to change their mind. > > That is an absurd analogy. See above answer. When in doubt use drugs or alcohol. You will have a lot of believers and get a lot of sympathy. The analagy is precisely right on. There is no logic to change their mind. >> Absolutely pitiful. >> >> How can ANY intelligent person, even without training fall for that, >> except to use as a failure excuse. >> Of course it is / was on T.V. and there is little or no intellect there. >>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Drugs are the answer to everything. Where did I say that? There is no question that proper medication can help. >>> It makes as much sense as a parent joining a certain Islam sect and >>> strapping dynamite to their kids and telling them they are expected to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > When in doubt use drugs or alcohol. You will have a lot of believers and > get a lot of sympathy. Where did I say anything about alcohol? Medications are to be used when appropriate. > The analagy is precisely right on. > There is no logic to change their mind. Nope. The analogy sucks. >>> Absolutely pitiful. >>> >>> How can ANY intelligent person, even without training fall for that, >>> except to use as a failure excuse. >>> Of course it is / was on T.V. and there is little or no intellect there. >>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Where did I say that? There is no question that proper medication can > help. Some Meds CHANGE behavior. Those meds are classed as drugs. Alcohol is in the same class. >>>> It makes as much sense as a parent joining a certain Islam sect and >>>> strapping dynamite to their kids and telling them they are expected to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Where did I say anything about alcohol? Medications are to be used when > appropriate. To the people who decide they can't cope or are TAUGHT that they can't cope, alcohol is one of the answers. Alcohol dependancy IS drug dependancy and V.V. >> The analagy is precisely right on. >> There is no logic to change their mind. > > Nope. The analogy sucks. Like I said; There is no logic to change their mind. >>>> Absolutely pitiful. >>>> >>>> How can ANY intelligent person, even without training fall for that, >>>> except to use as a failure excuse. >>>> Of course it is / was on T.V. and there is little or no intellect >>>> there. I didn't mention the completely misleading and thus nefarious presentation in their little "test". The two giveaway traits in the "test" were: 1. The completely ambiguous choices, never or seldom, sometimes, often, very often. The same activity to different people would result in totally different answers. Once a year to some would be never and others often. 2. Take this to your Doctor. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I showed the test to four different doctors in four different fields and they couldn't believe the stupidity of the test and especially couldn't believe that any respectable doctor would even bother to take it seriously. ADHD: Poor little me, I can't cope. I'm fed up with my kid and I'm going to drug it. Alcohol is frowned upon, so I'll find a sympathetic (nefarious) Doctor and get a drug. > >>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > I'm fed up with my kid and I'm going to drug it. Alcohol is frowned upon, > so I'll find a sympathetic (nefarious) Doctor and get a drug. I don't know why they don't call Ritalin "Amphetakids," it would sell even better. >>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > I don't know why they don't call Ritalin "Amphetakids," it would sell > even better. When it is commonly prescribed as a generic...absurd. Moron. > >>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ > >>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > When it is commonly prescribed as a generic...absurd. "AmphetaKids" can be trademarked, you should mention it to your sponsors. > Moron. Dolt. >>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > "AmphetaKids" can be trademarked, you should mention it to your > sponsors. a.shole. >> Moron. > > Dolt. From you, thanks for the compliment. > >>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ > >>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > > From you, thanks for the compliment. My pleasure. >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > My pleasure. Yes, I consider the source and react appropriately. > >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ > >>>>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > > Yes, I consider the source and react appropriately. Action beats reaction. >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > > Action beats reaction. So, you are non-Newtonian. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ > >>>>>>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > So, you are non-Newtonian. I'd rather be a quark than an apple. Apples get eaten. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > I'd rather be a quark than an apple. Apples get eaten. For a quark, you do not have any charm. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > For a quark, you do not have any charm. Don't hate me because I'm quarky. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > Don't hate me because I'm quarky. You do have a high S. >> Don't hate me because I'm quarky. > >You do have a high S. He has color, but no charm. He does spin a lot. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "George Bush is a gruesome boob." -- Bill Maher >>> Don't hate me because I'm quarky. >> >>You do have a high S. > > He has color, but no charm. He does spin a lot. This thread is not about PeterB. In fact it was a Story-anecdote. Posted by Mark Probert [now pushing Adderal XR after pushing Ritalin for years]. Furthermore, Mark says anecdotes are bullshit and prove nothing. > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net > These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. > "George Bush is a gruesome boob." -- Bill Maher >>> Don't hate me because I'm quarky. >> You do have a high S. > > He has color, but no charm. He does spin a lot. He is Strange. "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message: http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ Story. Anecdote. ©2006 Shire US Inc., Wayne, Pennsylvania What Mark [now pushing yet another ADHD drug]-- did not report. The sudden deaths of 12 American children on Adderall for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) treatment. http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/rxdrugprofiles/drugs/add1008.shtml Adderall Pronounced: ADD-ur-all Generic ingredients: Amphetamines -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why is Adderall prescribed? Adderall is prescribed in the treatment of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), the condition in which a child exhibits a short attention span and becomes easily distracted, overly emotional, excessively active, and highly impulsive. It should be used as part of a broader treatment plan that includes psychological, educational, and social measures. An extended-release form of the drug, called Adderall XR, is available for once-daily treatment of ADHD. The regular form of Adderall is also prescribed for narcolepsy (uncontrollable attacks of sleep). -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Most important fact about Adderall Adderall, like all amphetamines, has a high potential for abuse. If used in large doses over long periods of time, it can cause dependence and addiction. Be careful to take Adderall only as prescribed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- How should you take Adderall? Never take more Adderall than your doctor has prescribed. Do not take it for a longer time or for any other purpose than prescribed. Take the first dose upon awakening. If additional doses are prescribed, take them at intervals of 4 to 6 hours. Avoid late evening doses, which can interfere with sleep. Adderall XR capsules can be taken whole, or the contents can be sprinkled on applesauce. The applesauce should be eaten immediately, without chewing. Be sure to use the entire contents of the capsule. --If you miss a dose... If you are taking 1 dose a day, and at least 6 hours remain before bedtime, take the dose as soon as you remember. If you don't remember until the next day, skip the dose and go back to your regular schedule. Do not take a double dose. If you are taking more than 1 dose a day, and you remember within an hour or so of the scheduled time, take the missed dose immediately. Otherwise, skip the dose and go back to your regular schedule. Never take 2 doses at once. --Storage instructions... Store at room temperature in a tight, light-resistant container. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adderall side effects Side effects cannot be anticipated. If any develop or change in intensity, tell your doctor as soon as possible. Only your doctor can determine if it is safe for you or your child to continue taking Adderall. a.. Side effects of Adderall may include: Dry mouth, high blood pressure, hives, impotence, overstimulation, rapid or pounding heartbeat, stomach and intestinal disturbances, weight loss a.. Side effects of Adderall XR may include: Abdominal pain, diarrhea, dizziness, fever, infection (including viral), insomnia, loss of appetite, mood swings, nausea, nervousness, vomiting, weakness, weight loss -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why should Adderall not be prescribed? Do not use Adderall if you have any of the following conditions: Heart disease Hardening of the arteries High blood pressure High pressure in the eye (glaucoma) Overactive thyroid gland Never take Adderall within 14 days of taking an antidepressant classified as an MAO inhibitor, including Nardil and Parnate. A potentially life-threatening spike in blood pressure could result. Your doctor will not prescribe Adderall if you have ever had a reaction to similar stimulant drugs. The doctor will also avoid prescribing Adderall if you appear agitated or are prone to substance abuse. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Special warnings about Adderall If you have even a mild case of high blood pressure, take Adderall with caution. Be careful, too, about driving or operating machinery until you know how Adderall affects you. It may impair judgment and coordination. Adderall can make tics and twitches worse. If you or a family member has this problem (or the condition called Tourette's syndrome), make sure the doctor is aware of it. Amphetamines such as Adderall have also been known to aggravate symptoms in seriously disturbed (psychotic) individuals. If the problem is attention-deficit disorder, the doctor will do a complete history and evaluation before prescribing Adderall, taking particular account of the severity of the symptoms and the age of your child. If the problem is a temporary reaction to a stressful situation, Adderall is probably not called for. At present, there has been no experience with long-term Adderall therapy in children. However, other amphetamine-based medications have been known to stunt growth, so your doctor will need to watch the child carefully. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Possible food and drug interactions when taking Adderall If Adderall is taken with certain other drugs, the effects of either could be increased, decreased, or altered. It is especially important to check with your doctor before combining Adderall with the following: Acetazolamide (Diamox) Antihistamines such as Benadryl and Chlor-Trimeton Drugs classified as MAO inhibitors, including the antidepressants Nardil and Parnate Drugs that make the urine more acid, such as Uroquid-Acid No. 2 Glutamic acid (an amino acid related to MSG) High blood pressure medications such as Calan, guanethidine, HydroDIURIL, Hytrin, Procardia, and reserpine Lithium (Eskalith, Lithobid) Major tranquilizers such as Haldol and Thorazine Meperidine (Demerol) Methenamine (Urised) Norepinephrine (Levophed) Propoxyphene (Darvon) Seizure medications such as Dilantin, phenobarbital, and Zarontin "Tricyclic" antidepressants such as Norpramin, Tofranil, and Vivactil Vitamin C -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Special information if you are pregnant or breastfeeding Heavy use of amphetamines during pregnancy can lead to premature birth or low birth weight. Avoid taking Adderall unless absolutely necessary. Amphetamines do find their way into breast milk, so you should not take Adderall while breastfeeding. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Recommended dosage for Adderall Whether the problem is attention-deficit disorder or narcolepsy, the doctor will keep the dosage as low as possible. ADDERALL -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder Children 3 to 5 years of age: The usual starting dose is 2.5 milligrams daily. Each week, the doctor will raise the daily dosage by 2.5 milligrams until the condition is under control. ~~~~~~~~ Aderall XR is a schedule II drug. NOT to be given to a child under age 6. Adderall XR has not been tested on children under 6. Tells all about Mark Probert! > "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The sudden deaths of 12 American children on Adderall for attention > deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) treatment. If they annoy you or act different than the other so called normals, create a name for a disease and kill them. >> "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> The sudden deaths of 12 American children on Adderall for attention >> deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) treatment. http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/rxdrugprofiles/drugs/add1008.shtml Adderall Pronounced: ADD-ur-all Generic ingredients: Amphetamines -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why is Adderall prescribed? Adderall is prescribed in the treatment of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), the condition in which a child exhibits a short attention span and becomes easily distracted, overly emotional, excessively active, and highly impulsive. It should be used as part of a broader treatment plan that includes psychological, educational, and social measures. An extended-release form of the drug, called Adderall XR, is available for once-daily treatment of ADHD. The regular form of Adderall is also prescribed for narcolepsy (uncontrollable attacks of sleep). -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Most important fact about Adderall Adderall, like all amphetamines, has a high potential for abuse. If used in large doses over long periods of time, it can cause dependence and addiction. Be careful to take Adderall only as prescribed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- How should you take Adderall? Never take more Adderall than your doctor has prescribed. Do not take it for a longer time or for any other purpose than prescribed. Take the first dose upon awakening. If additional doses are prescribed, take them at intervals of 4 to 6 hours. Avoid late evening doses, which can interfere with sleep. Adderall XR capsules can be taken whole, or the contents can be sprinkled on applesauce. The applesauce should be eaten immediately, without chewing. Be sure to use the entire contents of the capsule. --If you miss a dose... If you are taking 1 dose a day, and at least 6 hours remain before bedtime, take the dose as soon as you remember. If you don't remember until the next day, skip the dose and go back to your regular schedule. Do not take a double dose. If you are taking more than 1 dose a day, and you remember within an hour or so of the scheduled time, take the missed dose immediately. Otherwise, skip the dose and go back to your regular schedule. Never take 2 doses at once. --Storage instructions... Store at room temperature in a tight, light-resistant container. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adderall side effects Side effects cannot be anticipated. If any develop or change in intensity, tell your doctor as soon as possible. Only your doctor can determine if it is safe for you or your child to continue taking Adderall. a.. Side effects of Adderall may include: Dry mouth, high blood pressure, hives, impotence, overstimulation, rapid or pounding heartbeat, stomach and intestinal disturbances, weight loss a.. Side effects of Adderall XR may include: Abdominal pain, diarrhea, dizziness, fever, infection (including viral), insomnia, loss of appetite, mood swings, nausea, nervousness, vomiting, weakness, weight loss -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why should Adderall not be prescribed? Do not use Adderall if you have any of the following conditions: Heart disease Hardening of the arteries High blood pressure High pressure in the eye (glaucoma) Overactive thyroid gland Never take Adderall within 14 days of taking an antidepressant classified as an MAO inhibitor, including Nardil and Parnate. A potentially life-threatening spike in blood pressure could result. Your doctor will not prescribe Adderall if you have ever had a reaction to similar stimulant drugs. The doctor will also avoid prescribing Adderall if you appear agitated or are prone to substance abuse. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Special warnings about Adderall If you have even a mild case of high blood pressure, take Adderall with caution. Be careful, too, about driving or operating machinery until you know how Adderall affects you. It may impair judgment and coordination. Adderall can make tics and twitches worse. If you or a family member has this problem (or the condition called Tourette's syndrome), make sure the doctor is aware of it. Amphetamines such as Adderall have also been known to aggravate symptoms in seriously disturbed (psychotic) individuals. If the problem is attention-deficit disorder, the doctor will do a complete history and evaluation before prescribing Adderall, taking particular account of the severity of the symptoms and the age of your child. If the problem is a temporary reaction to a stressful situation, Adderall is probably not called for. At present, there has been no experience with long-term Adderall therapy in children. However, other amphetamine-based medications have been known to stunt growth, so your doctor will need to watch the child carefully. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Possible food and drug interactions when taking Adderall If Adderall is taken with certain other drugs, the effects of either could be increased, decreased, or altered. It is especially important to check with your doctor before combining Adderall with the following: Acetazolamide (Diamox) Antihistamines such as Benadryl and Chlor-Trimeton Drugs classified as MAO inhibitors, including the antidepressants Nardil and Parnate Drugs that make the urine more acid, such as Uroquid-Acid No. 2 Glutamic acid (an amino acid related to MSG) High blood pressure medications such as Calan, guanethidine, HydroDIURIL, Hytrin, Procardia, and reserpine Lithium (Eskalith, Lithobid) Major tranquilizers such as Haldol and Thorazine Meperidine (Demerol) Methenamine (Urised) Norepinephrine (Levophed) Propoxyphene (Darvon) Seizure medications such as Dilantin, phenobarbital, and Zarontin "Tricyclic" antidepressants such as Norpramin, Tofranil, and Vivactil Vitamin C -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Special information if you are pregnant or breastfeeding Heavy use of amphetamines during pregnancy can lead to premature birth or low birth weight. Avoid taking Adderall unless absolutely necessary. Amphetamines do find their way into breast milk, so you should not take Adderall while breastfeeding. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Recommended dosage for Adderall Whether the problem is attention-deficit disorder or narcolepsy, the doctor will keep the dosage as low as possible. ADDERALL -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder Children 3 to 5 years of age: The usual starting dose is 2.5 milligrams daily. Each week, the doctor will raise the daily dosage by 2.5 milligrams until the condition is under control. ~~~~~~~~ Aderall XR is a schedule II drug. NOT to be given to a child under age 6. Adderall XR has not been tested on children under 6. Tells all about Mark Probert! > If they annoy you or act different than the other so called normals, > create a name for a disease and kill them. Summation on adderall. A drug for diseases, most of which are non-existent. Only PROVEN effect, occasional death. >>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message: >>> [quoted text clipped - 204 lines] >> If they annoy you or act different than the other so called normals, >> create a name for a disease and kill them. >> "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >If they annoy you or act different than the other so called normals, create >a name for a disease and kill them. Vern moves beyond loon and joins the category of "deranged".  SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >> "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > If they annoy you or act different than the other so called normals, create > a name for a disease and kill them. Vernitis. > Summation on adderall. > A drug for diseases, most of which are non-existent. > > Only PROVEN effect, occasional death. And Mark responed. There went the UDP for the ? time. Poor Mark. >>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 227 lines] > > Vernitis. >> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >As someone who has actually had some training in psychology or behavioral >science, You're not sure which? -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. I used to think that spammers should be hanged, but I've changed my mind. They should be tortured first. >>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You're not sure which? He skipped that class. >>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > He skipped that class. Behavioral science IS psychology and V.V. Take some drugs or have a drink or a dozen. I used both terms because there are some here who open their mouth with no education and I just identified two of them. >>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I used both terms because there are some here who open their mouth with no > education and I just identified two of them. Okay, wise one. Tell us the difference between "punishment" and "negative reinforcement" as defined by Dr. Skinner. Quickly now; you lose points if you take time to look it up on the internet. If you indeed studied the subject, the answer should be already in mind. Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ >>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > you take time to look it up on the internet. If you indeed studied the > subject, the answer should be already in mind. Too late, Vern. Either you didn't know, or you weren't paying attention. I really don't believe you have any education in behavioral science OR psychology. You're just blowing smoke, as usual. Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ >>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > really don't believe you have any education in behavioral science OR > psychology. You're just blowing smoke, as usual. Oh, hey, if Vern never gets back to you on that question, can I answer? I know it! (And I have a psych degree and have worked as a behavioural therapist with autistic children, and I take medication for my ADHD.) -Janna SignatureRespite Worker, Calgary, Alberta Officially diagnosed ADHD February 11, 2005 "Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." - Albert Camus "I want to remake the world; anything less is not worth the trouble." - Karen Cushman http://comautworld.blogspot.com >>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > -Janna Then I'm sure you know the answer without looking it up. It's a fundamental concept of Skinner's, and is taught in psycology 101, but people who have not studied psychology, and a few who have, do not understand the difference. They also often do not understand that Fred was not fundamentally opposed to the use of punishment. He just understood that to be effective, punishment must be consistent and IMMEDIATE. Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ >>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > -Janna Janna...you sig line, which did not copy, mentions that you are a Respite Worker. I'll nominate anyone who does respite for sainthood. It is the one single most important aspect of support for families with special children-and the one single most underfunded, underavailable support service for families with special children. >>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > the one single most underfunded, underavailable support service for > families with special children. I second the nomination. >>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > (And I have a psych degree and have worked as a behavioural therapist with > autistic children, and I take medication for my ADHD.) Well, good, so you keep yourself drugged. So you work with people who charge money to play games. After getting a degree and finding out the nonsense that Psychologists spout (no stats to back them up), the dishonesty and typically the general ignorance, I decided to go into Physics (not much opportunity except in teaching) and then changed to Engineering. Many (still a small percetage) M.D.s are less than honest and cause as much damage as help, but MOST Psychologists and Psychiatrists do mostly harm. They usually don't do it on purpose or with knowledge. They just have a self agrandizing group of coherts. > -Janna >>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Well, good, so you keep yourself drugged. The correct term is properly medicated. > So you work with people who charge money to play games. Working with Autistic children is not game playing. Only a clueless moron would think so. > After getting a degree and finding out the nonsense that Psychologists spout > (no stats to back them up), Bullshit. I have read many psychological studies and they are well documented, with lots of numbers. I guess you had a problem with that. the dishonesty and typically the general > ignorance, What a broad brush you use. I decided to go into Physics (not much opportunity except in > teaching) and then changed to Engineering. You never built a better mousetrap. > Many (still a small percetage) M.D.s are less than honest and cause as much > damage as help, but MOST Psychologists and Psychiatrists do mostly harm. Surely a person who wants statistics can back up that claim, i.e. *most* with actual numbers. > They usually don't do it on purpose or with knowledge. They just have a > self agrandizing group of coherts. >>>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > The correct term is properly medicated. I wonder if he drinks coffee...and if so, how much....caffeine is one of the CNS of choice for those who self-medicate--or, in his word of choice "self drug" <g> >> So you work with people who charge money to play games. > > Working with Autistic children is not game playing. Only a clueless moron > would think so. IIRC, the concepts used above, of positive/negative reinforcement are the key to Applied Behavioral Analysis, which is one of the methods used successfully with those with autism...and has helped a lot with my son (who is dealing with ADHD/gifted/aspergers/sensory processing disorder)...it is hardly "playing"--it is hard work... Hmmm...I am currently taking a class in teaching math constructively--Constuctivist education is the philosophy of the university that I attend. Since it is heavy on manipulatives, I would guess to the uneducated (in this method) it would "appear" to be "playing"...but it follows Piaget's approach to education...and works *very* well with the mental mindset of those with exceptionalities <g> SignatureBuny " Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." ~ Albert Camus >>>>>>>>>http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > ignorance, I decided to go into Physics (not much opportunity except in > teaching) and then changed to Engineering. That's 2 PhD's at most. Where are the other ones you told us about Vernon? You know, the ones that made you 'dominant scientist' somewhere, helped you invent magnetic tape, got you in top position at NASA, helped you overhaul the complete production procedures at Intel etc. And where did you find the time to learn to speak German? Oh yeah, that's right, you don't speak German. > Many (still a small percetage) M.D.s are less than honest and cause as much > damage as help, but MOST Psychologists and Psychiatrists do mostly harm. > They usually don't do it on purpose or with knowledge. They just have a > self agrandizing group of coherts. > >>-Janna > >>>>>>>>>http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ > >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > did you find the time to learn to speak German? Oh yeah, that's right, > you don't speak German. I guess you have little choice but to attack those infinitely more intelligent than you. I mean, what choice do you have? > > Many (still a small percetage) M.D.s are less than honest and cause as much > > damage as help, but MOST Psychologists and Psychiatrists do mostly harm. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >> > >>http://comautworld.blogspot.com >> >>>>>>>>>http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >> >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > I guess you have little choice but to attack those infinitely more > intelligent than you. I mean, what choice do you have? At the risk of being politically incorrect in these times of "terror" There is an Arabic saying. He who knows and knows not that he knows is asleep, awaken him He who knows and knows that he knows is wise, follow him. He who knows not and knows that he knows not is simple, teach him He who knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool shun him. Guess which one John Doe resembles. Anyway, I'm not going to apologize to a fool for being obsessed with learning. The fool can't even figure out what I said. (I said NONE of his claims) Fools are easily confused and often just plain lie. > >> >>>>>>>>>http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ > >> >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > The fool can't even figure out what I said. (I said NONE of his claims) > Fools are easily confused and often just plain lie. Johnboy is just another keyboard banger waiting for fellow monkeys to kick it with. >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > I guess you have little choice but to attack those infinitely more > intelligent than you. I mean, what choice do you have? When you and your ilk start actually providing science based information and stop your antics of marginalization, the attacks will stop. You do have the power. However, I do not expect you to use it, as you know your audience is for the science illiterate. >>> Many (still a small percetage) M.D.s are less than honest and cause as much >>> damage as help, but MOST Psychologists and Psychiatrists do mostly harm. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>>> >>>> http://comautworld.blogspot.com >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > have the power. However, I do not expect you to use it, as you know your > audience is for the science illiterate. Yes, he addresses you and johndoe entirely too often and seems to continualy expect cogent responses. Sometimes I wonder about him. I know that one way (as you say) to cause many to go ballistic is to claim that one actually has a science education. I realize that, in itself, gives no basis for knowledge in a particular science feild, but it is quite obvious that some have zero science education or experience. It is paramount to me going to a news group on law or litigation techniques and blowing off. Even though I have had a LOT of experience with (not in) that feild as a consultant or reprentative, I have enough knowledge in it to know that I am grossly ignorant, except to always state truth and facts for the least probable problems. >>>> Many (still a small percetage) M.D.s are less than honest and cause as >>>> much [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >>>>> >>>>> http://comautworld.blogspot.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > Yes, he addresses you and johndoe entirely too often and seems to continualy > expect cogent responses. Vern, we are not his intended audience. He post his pharmablogger bullshit for those who he thinks are weak minded alt nuts. > Sometimes I wonder about him. Only sometimes? > I know that one way (as you say) to cause many to go ballistic is to claim > that one actually has a science education. I realize that, in itself, gives > no basis for knowledge in a particular science feild, but it is quite > obvious that some have zero science education or experience. True. > It is paramount to me going to a news group on law or litigation techniques > and blowing off. Even though I have had a LOT of experience with (not in) > that feild as a consultant or reprentative, I have enough knowledge in it to > know that I am grossly ignorant, except to always state truth and facts for > the least probable problems. So, you are now claiming to be the Dirty Harry of usenet? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > > So, you are now claiming to be the Dirty Harry of usenet? More the opposite. In the cases above it was more like, "Get Vernon in the interrogation room. He doesn't miss much of what goes on and he knows the contract better than anyone." I never volunteered. >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > When you and your ilk start actually providing science based information > and stop your antics of marginalization, the attacks will stop. Oh, my where have I heard that before? Mark posted to push drugs. From a DRUG company. Story. Anecdote. ©2006 Shire US Inc., Wayne, Pennsylvania Shall I post his history of *anecdotes*? >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Oh, my where have I heard that before? Rumsfield? "Simply because you do not have evidence that something does exist does not mean that you have evidence that it doesn't exist." "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know." "I would not say that the future is necessarily less predictable than the past. I think the past was not predictable when it started." "We do know of certain knowledge that he [Osama Bin Laden] is either in Afghanistan, or in some other country, or dead." "We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." -on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction "Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war." "Freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things." -on looting in Iraq after the U.S. invasion, adding "stuff happens" "As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time." "I am not going to give you a number for it because it's not my business to do intelligent work." -asked to estimate the number of Iraqi insurgents while testifying before Congress "I believe what I said yesterday. "I don't know what I said, but I know what I think, and, well, I assume it's what I said." "Needless to say, the President is correct. Whatever it was he said." "If I said yes, that would then suggest that that might be the only place where it might be done which would not be accurate, necessarily accurate. It might also not be inaccurate, but I'm disinclined to mislead anyone." "There's another way to phrase that and that is that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. It is basically saying the same thing in a different way. Simply because you do not have evidence that something does exist does not mean that you have evidence that it doesn't exist." -on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction" "It is unknowable how long that conflict [the war in Iraq] will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months." -in Feb. 2003 "Well, um, you know, something's neither good nor bad but thinking makes it so, I suppose, as Shakespeare said." "Secretary Powell and I agree on every single issue that has ever been before this administration except for those instances where Colin's still learning." "Learn to say 'I don't know.' If used when appropriate, it will be often." "I don't know what the facts are but somebody's certainly going to sit down with him and find out what he knows that they may not know, and make sure he knows what they know that he may not know." "I'm not into this detail stuff. I'm more concepty." "I don't do quagmires." "I don't do diplomacy." "I don't do foreign policy." "I don't do predictions." "I don't do numbers." "I don't do book reviews." "Now, settle down, settle down. Hell, I'm an old man, it's early in the morning and I'm gathering my thoughts here." "If I know the answer I'll tell you the answer, and if I don't, I'll just respond, cleverly." Donald Rumsfeld Quotes From Daniel Kurtzman, http://politicalhumor.about.com/cs/quotethis/a/rumsfeldquotes.htm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > Rumsfield? No, Mark Probert. > "Simply because you do not have evidence that something does exist does > not mean that you have evidence that it doesn't exist." [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > > http://politicalhumor.about.com/cs/quotethis/a/rumsfeldquotes.htm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > No, Mark Probert. Pharmaceutical Marketeers stock reply to anyone who dares to point out there's no scientific basis for their assertion the so-called symptoms of ADHD are a genetically transmitted mental disorder----is "the absense of evidence isn't evidence of absence" Fuzzy Logic is used to defend the US War on Children---same as Fuzzy Logic was employed by Rumsfield to defend the US unilateral war against Iraq. >>> Rumsfield? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Fuzzy Logic is used to defend the US War on Children---same as Fuzzy Logic > was employed by Rumsfield to defend the US unilateral war against Iraq. You wouldn't know what the term "fuzzy logic" means. You associate fuzzy with that wet feeling between your legs. Of course it is exacerbated by hate and more hate. Don't worry, there are a lot of people who get excited through masochistic and sadistic fantasies. When you get an education try not to read any of your past writings. You will be embarrassed. > You wouldn't know what the term "fuzzy logic" means. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > When you get an education try not to read any of your past writings. You > will be embarrassed. Now, Vern, be kind. >> Fuzzy Logic is used to defend the US War on Children---same as Fuzzy Logic >> was employed by Rumsfield to defend the US unilateral war against Iraq. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > When you get an education try not to read any of your past writings. You > will be embarrassed. ROFL!!! >>>> Rumsfield? >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > You associate fuzzy with that wet feeling between your legs. Tell us again how many Christian colleges you went to, Vernon. Perhaps it is time to go back. > Of course it is exacerbated by hate and more hate. Don't worry, there are > a lot of people who get excited through masochistic and sadistic > fantasies. > > When you get an education try not to read any of your past writings. You > will be embarrassed. And you? >>>>> Rumsfield? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > And you? I answered a direct accusation wherein the accusation was based on ignorance and HATE. I stated what seemed to be FACT. I didn't lie as Linda Gore did and continues to do. AND Of course it is exacerbated by hate and more hate. Don't worry, there are a lot of people who get excited through masochistic and sadistic fantasies. They are also called Islamofascists. Liberal fascists Hate mongers Socialists Communists Christ called a son of a snake a son of a snake. (translation to today's language (Son of a bitch or Son of Satan)) They will destroy you and everything you believe. I will be destroyed as well, but I wont be like the NAZI sympathizers of 1930s. > >>>>> Rumsfield? > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > I answered a direct accusation wherein the accusation was based on ignorance > and HATE. You are confused. Bush/Rumsfeld fabricated non-existing Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction as an excuse to send the sons and daughters of Nevada to their death in Iraq. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/06/16/sen-reid-strikes-back-at_n_23164.html Drug Pushers like Probert fabricate a non-existing genetically transmitted neurobiological disease to excuse the drugging of millions of US children. Whenever anyone points out to drug pushers like Probert that scientists have NEVER produced a shred of evidence supporting the drug pushers assertion that the symptomology of ADHD is a genetically inherited brain based disease ---the drug pushers ALWAYS reply--"-the absense of evidence isn't evidence of absence" , IOW, the same reply Rumsfeld made when no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. >> >>>>> Rumsfield? >> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > as an excuse to send the sons and daughters of Nevada to their death in > Iraq. Your report is the fabrication. FYI There has NEVER been a higher voluntary reinlistment that by those IN IRAQ. > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/06/16/sen-reid-strikes-back-at_n_23164.html huffington? ha ha ha ha ha ha another way of spelling hate oportunist. > Drug Pushers like Probert fabricate a non-existing genetically > transmitted neurobiological disease to excuse the drugging of millions [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > evidence isn't evidence of absence" , IOW, the same reply Rumsfeld > made when no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. Having what to do with what. No fabrications were made. YOU, in your ignorance, think they are so stupid as to start a war if they knew ahead of time that no WMDs would be found. Just because you are stupid and apparently all your friends are stupid does not mean the people in Washington are stupid. I may not agree with the rhetoric or decisions there, but they are NOT as stupid as you are. That is why you are a nothing. The ONLY thing you and your friends know is HATE, and more HATE and more HATE. If you want to find out how we got where we are, check the workings of Jimmy Carter. Three presidents couldn't repair the damage. I don't say that because he was in the Democratic Party. Clinton recognized it and tried to repair the damage. What is your next ranting? Carl Rove is the reason for e-coli on spinach???? He did visit California. > >> >>>>> Rumsfield? > >> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > Having what to do with what. grrrrr There's not a shred of scientific evidence supporting Pharmaceutical Marketeers claim that the symptoms of ADHD are a genetically inherited neurobiological condition. Pharmaceutical Marketeers, like Probert, defend their making delusional claims that are contradicted by a huge body of scientific evidence on the basis of *absense of evidence isn't evidence of absence*. Likewise, there was NEVER any evidence supporting Bush/Rumfeld's claim that Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction. Bush/Rumsfeld defended their delusional claim wrt Iraq WMD, contradicted by mountains of evidence, on the basis of the *absence of evidence is not evidence of evidence*. When Jan asked where she heard Probert's distorted thoughts before -----I jokingly suggested *Rumsfeld* because Probert's distorted thinking is the same sort of distorted thinking engaged in by the war criminals residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. snip----BIZARRE commentary having no connection to anything I, or Senator Reid said. . >> >> >>>>> Rumsfield? >> >> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > contradicted by mountains of evidence, on the basis of the *absence > of evidence is not evidence of evidence*. Oops! S/B "absense of evidence is not evidence of absence" > When Jan asked where she heard Probert's distorted thoughts before > -----I jokingly suggested *Rumsfeld* because Probert's distorted [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > . >> >> >>>>> Rumsfield? >> >> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > Marketeers claim that the symptoms of ADHD are a genetically inherited > neurobiological condition. First of all there isn't a shred of evidence that it is a neurobiological condition. Maybe stupidity is genetic. > Pharmaceutical Marketeers, like Probert, defend their making > delusional claims that are contradicted by a huge body of scientific [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Likewise, there was NEVER any evidence supporting Bush/Rumfeld's > claim that Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction. Correct, after the fact and they believed what everyone else beleived. > Bush/Rumsfeld defended their delusional claim wrt Iraq WMD, > contradicted by mountains of evidence, on the basis of the *absence > of evidence is not evidence of evidence*. They had what ALL considered evidence INCLUDING the recent history of SADAM. Wrong decision? Maybe. Contrived? They are smarter than that. > They had what ALL considered evidence INCLUDING the recent history of SADAM. > > Wrong decision? Maybe. Contrived? They are smarter than that. against my better judgment, i shouldn't cut in here, but.... had they left sadaam in power, with ahmady nejad of iran moving forward with a nuclear program, who in their right mind would think sadaam wouldn't do the same? you think they wanted to have to deal with the iranians and sadaam gearing up with nukes at the same time?? does anyone remember the iran - iraq war 1980-1989? now picture that with both sides having nuclear weapons. whatever cheney, rumsfeld et al had or didn't have as evidence, they weren't going to wait. they were going to nip it in the bud. >> They had what ALL considered evidence INCLUDING the recent history of >> SADAM. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > whatever cheney, rumsfeld et al had or didn't have as evidence, they > weren't going to wait. they were going to nip it in the bud. In any case an agreement |
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