>What a let down...we get to the end only to find out Mrs. King never received a single treatment from Donsbach's clinic.
What is 'horrid' Ms. Ilena ---- Is your insistence on encouraging ill
men and women, to be victimized again, and again, by charlatans, quacks
--- and unqualified individuals, with little more than a 'mail order'
diploma.
Instead of working with the most well qualified professionals to find
the best treatments and answers for those you say you are advocating
for --- you instead throw them over to the wolves.
> >What a let down...we get to the end only to find out Mrs. King never received a single treatment from Donsbach's clinic.
>
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> Horrid.
> >What a let down...we get to the end only to find out Mrs. King never
> >received a single treatment from Donsbach's clinic.
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> Horrid.
You must excuse Ilena. She's upset because she lost her job at the clinic
when
it was shut down.
>>What a let down...we get to the end only to find out Mrs. King never received a single treatment from Donsbach's clinic.
>
>The quackwatch predators used the death of Coretta Scott King and her
>choice to go to this clinic yet another War Cry in their years of
>attempting to discredit the competition of their backers.
Have a look at what a $15,000/week Tijuana cancer clinic looks like.
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/clark08.htm
>Dozens of ill patients ... who chose this Clinic, were thrown out on
>the streets basically as the Barrett Team got evey media connection
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>www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm

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Mark Probert - 28 Jun 2006 13:54 GMT
>>> What a let down...we get to the end only to find out Mrs. King never received a single treatment from Donsbach's clinic.
>> The quackwatch predators used the death of Coretta Scott King and her
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> http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/clark08.htm
That blue car....it looks familiar...what does that sign in the window say?
I love the chain....
>> Dozens of ill patients ... who chose this Clinic, were thrown out on
>> the streets basically as the Barrett Team got evey media connection
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>> www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm
Will Ketcher - 28 Jun 2006 14:09 GMT
?That blue car....it looks familiar...what does that sign in the window
say?
The sign in the blue car window says, "FUNERAL."
Coleah - 28 Jun 2006 16:20 GMT
> >>What a let down...we get to the end only to find out Mrs. King never received a single treatment from Donsbach's clinic.
> >
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> http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/clark08.htm
I'll have to admit that back in the early 90's I DID check out a 'clinic' in
Mexico that did IV treatments with hydrogen proxide. Can't really remember
how I heard about it to check it out in the first place, but one can only
guess the newsgroup where it was discussed.
I was extremely exhausted (CFS) after my breast implant explantation and
feeling horrid, weak and could not function. It would have been worth
$15,000 to find a treatment that would 'cure' whatever ailed me.
After the initial 'qualifying' phone call, I was sent a video tape in
over-night express mail from southern California about the place. After a
few days I received numerous follow-up phone calls trying to get me to
commit. They were definitely 'selling' their service.
What I first noticed in the video was the quality of the 'clinic' and
housing unit and realized right off the bat that it was a low class
germ-infested environment (it reminded me of the early 60's visits to
impoverished and filthy Tijuana).
It showed the patients (old and tired looking) on day one and then the IV
treatment room (which looked like a place I wouldn't have even have stored
canned food in) and finally the end of the week shots of smiling faces (of
people that at least looked more hydrated).
I thought about how desperate people take desperate measures, and decided
that I was indeed feeling desperate, but was not a sucker either. If the
treatments were that good and 'lasting', people would be talking up a storm
and clamoring to get in line, even at those prices.
And I remembered my friend who died of lung cancer and her desperate
attempts to extend her life by participating in off-the-wall type cure-alls
like ground appricot pits, or some such.
> >Dozens of ill patients ... who chose this Clinic, were thrown out on
> >the streets basically as the Barrett Team got evey media connection
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> Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
> To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
Living for years in San Diego, I have met many, many people who have
had wonderful, healing experiences in various Mexican clinics ...
people who were entirely let down by Con Med and found compassionate
and excellent care there. These clinics have survived because of years
and years of referrals ...
I read how much pain the Quacks who forced the shut down of this
clinic caused the King family at such a difficult time for them ...
this is the Hallmark of Quackwatch ... create more pain and misery for
people who have been failed by the Con Med system.
There are many fine, leading edge physicians who have been harassed
and chased away from the American Con Med cut / burn / poison system
who have helped untold thousands there for years and years.
These clinics have been targeted by the Quacks and their Smear Teams
like Ketcher / Probert / Barrett ... who poooh poooh all the evidence
of the good they do ...
Many people owe their health to these clinics ...
The attacks by the Quacks against these clinics is distraction from
the thousands who die from chemo and other often fatal treatments to
variious diseases that Con Med can't cure.
It's obvious the low level of their PR by them using Cowards like
"Will Ketcher" ...
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/PropagandistProbert.html
Mark Probert - 28 Jun 2006 13:57 GMT
> These clinics have been targeted by the Quacks and their Smear Teams
> like Ketcher / Probert / Barrett ... who poooh poooh all the evidence
> of the good they do ...
My relatives lived (notice the tense) in San Diego.
One died of diabetes after being convinced to stop insulin treatment by
one of those clinics.
Another one was sold on Laetrile...and died of the cancer she had
previously been successfully treating with chemo.
Their surviving spouses, fortunately, survived and never went to Tijuana
again.
Coleah - 28 Jun 2006 16:43 GMT
> Living for years in San Diego, I have met many, many people who have
> had wonderful, healing experiences in various Mexican clinics ...
> people who were entirely let down by Con Med and found compassionate
> and excellent care there. These clinics have survived because of years
> and years of referrals ...
In a very poor country where a few people are paying big bucks for
treatment...yes, they have survived in paying their expenses. However,
after years and years of 'referrals' it certainly has not improved the
quality or drawn the multitudes from word of mouth testimony, has it?
Michael Landon did coffee enema's (how alternative can one get?)....but he
still died 3 months after being diagnosed w/cancer. You don't see massive
numbers of people crowding their local drug stores to get enema bags....but
yes, there probably will always be a few who have no hope and are willing to
try anything.
> I read how much pain the Quacks who forced the shut down of this
> clinic caused the King family at such a difficult time for them ...
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> Many people owe their health to these clinics ...
Funny......why doesn't the world hear all that overwhelming personal
testimony after all these years? Would it be these people are dead and
didn't live long enough to 'spread the word' about these miracle cures? I
have no doubt that there are people who temporarily respond to having
someone blow in their ear with attention.
> The attacks by the Quacks against these clinics is distraction from
> the thousands who die from chemo and other often fatal treatments to
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> "Will Ketcher" ...
> www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/PropagandistProbert.html
Yap, yap, yap....back to the old blame the boogie men.
Peter Moran - 28 Jun 2006 21:37 GMT
> Living for years in San Diego, I have met many, many people who have
> had wonderful, healing experiences in various Mexican clinics ...
> people who were entirely let down by Con Med and found compassionate
> and excellent care there. These clinics have survived because of years
> and years of referrals ...
After all these "years and years" surely they should be able to produce
enough well-documented cases of cancer remission to prove their treatments
work.
If you want to see what the results of several well-known Mexican clinics
are REALLY like, Ilena, go to
http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/cancer/Alternative_studies.htm .
A sample --- the Gerson clinic is one of the best known and often
recommended clinics and melanoma was the cancer they thought they had the
best results with. Yet of eighty odd patients with visceral metastases
from melanom accepted for treatment not one survived five years. They were
unable to produce a single instance where established melanoma went away
with their treatment. And these patients would have spent their last
months or years with their lives totally taken up with juicing and coffee
enemas (even four hourly if Dr Gerson had his way), not to mentioon the
expense.
It is very unfair on the Gerson clinic for me to have to say this. They at
least published their results. They have some belief in what they do
(despite all the facts).
Can we conclude that any who don't publish results do even worse?
Peter Moran
www.cancerwatcher.com
Coleah - 28 Jun 2006 22:46 GMT
> > Living for years in San Diego, I have met many, many people who have
> > had wonderful, healing experiences in various Mexican clinics ...
> > people who were entirely let down by Con Med and found compassionate
> > and excellent care there. These clinics have survived because of years
> > and years of referrals ...
Those "many, many people' then would be in the 11% survivor rate of Mexican
treatments. Guess you didn't meet the other 89% of those people going
there, huh?
> After all these "years and years" surely they should be able to produce
> enough well-documented cases of cancer remission to prove their treatments
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> www.cancerwatcher.com
Will Ketcher - 29 Jun 2006 00:02 GMT
I agree with you Peter --- If these clinics were so successful, people
cured would be out there presenting themselves --- That isn't
happening.
> After all these "years and years" surely they should be able to produce
> enough well-documented cases of cancer remission to prove their treatments
> work.
Peter Moran - 29 Jun 2006 01:03 GMT
>I agree with you Peter --- If these clinics were so successful, people
> cured would be out there presenting themselves --- That isn't
> happening.
Yes, there can a massive public and media uproar even from methods that
don't work. All you need is some low quality testimonial and the rumour
that patients are being cured. . Remember that with Laetrile? More recent
examples are the Di Bella treatment in Italy, where the government was
actually forced to supply the extremely expensive method to anyone who
wanted it, and the Holt treatment in Australia, where the Govt was forced
into an exhaustive enquiry into his cases.
Imagine what would happen with a method that DID work!
Peter
I could post hundreds of photos of hospitals where patients paid WAY
more than $15K / week and ended up dead after their treatments ...
sometimes FROM their treatments.
A beloved relative of mine spent hundreds of thousands over a year in
Houston at Anderson ... was left with enormous bills and he died
anyway ... after being another Con Med failed experiment.
He didn't have a Propaganda Team like Quack Barrrett's to close down
that hospital and fill the media with disinformation.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm
Coleah - 28 Jun 2006 16:51 GMT
> I could post hundreds of photos of hospitals where patients paid WAY
> more than $15K / week and ended up dead after their treatments ...
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> that hospital and fill the media with disinformation.
> www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm
Here's a real life phenomenon.....sometimes people are too far gone, no
matter what others do to assist their healing...and they die.
I have a couple of friends going through Chemo right now who have gotten
terrific results. They were very, very ill and no one expected 'any'
improvement. They are blessed to have some more days on earth. But they
too will die eventually.
http://www.bolenreport.net/archives/barrett.htm