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NSAIDs (Advil, Aleve, Vioxx...) increases risk of first heart attack
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Roman Bystrianyk - 26 Jun 2006 03:29 GMT http://www.healthsentinel.com/org_news.php?event=org_news_print_list_item&id=097
"NSAIDs (Advil, Aleve, Vioxx...) increases risk of first heart attack", Health Sentinel, June 26, 2006,
Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, or NSAIDS, are assumed to be well tolerated and are widely used as a therapy for common pain and conditions such as arthritis. These pharmaceuticals constitute one of the most widely used class of drugs, with more than 70 million prescriptions and more than 30 billion over-the-counter tablets sold annually in the United States alone. NSAIDs are called nonsteroidal because they are not steroids. Steroids affect inflammation by suppressing part of the immune system, which is the body's natural healing response to trauma. Instead NSAIDs mainly inhibit the body's ability to synthesize prostaglandins. Prostaglandins are a family of hormone-like chemicals, some of which are made in response to cell injury.
Unfortunately, prostaglandins are also involved in the healing mechanism of the digestive system and because NSAIDs affect prostaglandins they have the unwanted side effect of increasing the possibility of gastrointestinal bleeding. According to the American Journal of Medicine, "Conservative calculations estimate that approximately 107,000 patients are hospitalized annually for nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID)-related gastrointestinal (GI) complications and at least 16,500 NSAID-related deaths occur each year among arthritis patients alone. The figures of all NSAID users would be overwhelming, yet the scope of this problem is generally under-appreciated." These conservative figures are equivalent to 293 hospitalizations and 45 deaths each day from NSAID GI complications in U.S. arthritis patients alone.
The New England Journal of Medicine also stated "If deaths from gastrointestinal toxic effects from NSAIDs were tabulated separately in the National Vital Statistics reports, these effects would constitute the 15th most common cause of death in the United States. Yet these toxic effects remain mainly a 'silent epidemic,' with many physicians and most patients unaware of the magnitude of the problem. Furthermore the mortality statistics do not include deaths ascribed to the use of over-the-counter NSAIDS."
Still more shocking is that according to the Canadian Medical Association Journal, "All NSAIDs, both COX-2 selective and nonselective, provide only a modest symptomatic benefit over placebo, and this benefit has been proven only in short-term trials. With long-term therapy, it is not known whether the benefits of this class of drugs exceed the harms." And although COX-2 selective NSAIDs were developed on the theory of reduced patient problems the same study in the Canadian Medical Association Journal, states, "COX-2 selective NSAIDs do not necessarily reduce the incidence of complicated ulcers. Second, the meta-analysis demonstrates that, rather than proving safer, COX-2 selective NSAIDs cause more morbidity (total SAEs or Serious Adverse Events) than nonselective NSAIDs."
In addition to now being found increasingly just how dangerous these medications are and that they have been only slightly more beneficial than sugar pill, a recent study in British Medical Journal (BMJ) notes that, "as NSAIDs were originally developed for the relief of pain, long term placebo controlled trials have not been done."
On top of the horrifying gastrointestinal problems it has become increasingly clear that these medications also have serious cardiovascular risks. In the recent documentary Prescription for Disaster, we hear former Associate Director for Science and Medicine at the Office of Drug Safety at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) turned whistle blower David J. Graham, MD, MPH testify before Congress in November 2004 on the Vioxx disaster. "Vioxx is a profound tragedy and a regulator failure. We're faced with maybe the single greatest drug safety catastrophe in the history of this country. I strongly believe this should have been and largely could have been avoided, but it wasn't and over 100,000 Americans have paid dearly for this failure. In my opinion the FDA has let the American people down."
A May 2006 study in the European Heart Journal examines the relationship between NSAID use and the risk of a heart attack. They performed a large population based study on over 33,000 people who had a first heart attack also termed Myocardial Infarction or MI for short.
The authors found "a clear but moderate association (less than two-fold) between first MI and current use of NSAIDs." The association between first heart attack and NSAID existed in conventional, semi-selective, and COX-2 NSAIDs. The risk of first heart attack varied widely with celecoxib (Celebrex ®) having the lowest at an increased risk of 6% and etoricoxib (Arcoxia®) having a huge increased risk of 121%. The risks for first heart attack were as follows:
Conventional NSAIDs:
Indomethacin (Indocin®) - 56% Ibuprofen (Advil®) - 41% Diclofenac (Voltaren®) - 35% Naproxen (Aleve®) - 19% Piroxicam (Feldene®) - 35% Ketoprofen (Orudis®, Oruvail®) - 11% Tolfenamic Acid - 39% Other conventional NSAIDs - 23%
Semi-selective NSAIDs:
Nimesulide - 69% Etodolac (Lodine®) - 35% Nabumetone (Relafen®) - 26% Meloxicam (Mobic®) - 24%
COX-2 NSAIDs:
Etoricoxib (Arcoxia®) - 121% Rofecoxib (Vioxx®) - 44% Celecoxib (Celebrex®) - 6% Multiple NSAIDs - 56%
The study also shows that even after stopping taking NSAIDs users still have increased risk of heart attack for a month after stopping. However, after a month the risk of first heart attack was decreased to normal. "Our findings clearly indicate that the risk is reversible and associated with the presence of the drug in the body; the closer the proximity of the prescription, the larger the effect."
The authors conclude, "The present large population-based case-control study demonstrated a modest association of MI with current use of all NSAIDs."
In the case of NSAIDs we must carefully consider a class of medication that does not have long term placebo controlled testing, is only moderately better in symptom relief over placebo, conservatively causes 293 hospitalizations and 45 deaths each day from gastrointestinal bleeding, and greatly increases the chance of having a heart attack.
SOURCE: European Heart Journal, May 2006; British Medical Journal (BMJ), 2006; Canadian Medical Association Journal, November 2002; American Journal of Medicine, July 1998; The New England Journal of Medicine, June 1999; Documentary: Prescription for Disaster
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Jun 2006 06:25 GMT > http://www.healthsentinel.com/org_news.php?event=org_news_print_list_item&id=097 > [quoted text clipped - 130 lines] > American Journal of Medicine, July 1998; The New England Journal of > Medicine, June 1999; Documentary: Prescription for Disaster Many thanks to GOD for your giving the heads-up on what's currently circulating about publicly about NSAIDs.
Here's an alternative that folks can ask their doctors (prescription required) about:
http://www.limbrel.com/limbrel.php
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B.Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheLife
ritameetr - 28 Jun 2006 18:39 GMT You would think that people would be up in arms protesting, demanding that these class of drugs prescribed in abundance by doctors and purchased over the counter be made safe. Every year in the U.S., at least 107,000 individuals are hospitalized for serious gastrointestinal toxicity from nonsteroidal antiinflammatory drugs (NSAID) use, and an estimated 16,500 will most likely not survive the complication is horrifying! Gastrointestinal complications of NSAIDs represents the 15th cause of death in the U.S. That does not even take in account users of over-the-counter NSAIDs. When you stop and think about the cost of NSAID gastrointestinal toxicity, it has been estimated at approximately $15,000 to $20,000 per hospitalization, leading to total annual health care expenses exceeding $2 billion. That is staggering.
> http://www.healthsentinel.com/org_news.php?event=org_news_print_list_item&id=097 > [quoted text clipped - 130 lines] > American Journal of Medicine, July 1998; The New England Journal of > Medicine, June 1999; Documentary: Prescription for Disaster Bud - 29 Jun 2006 01:08 GMT > You would think that people would be up in arms protesting, demanding > that these class of drugs prescribed in abundance by doctors and > purchased over the counter be made safe. Problem is how to be made safe and/or alternatives. Suggestions? I have none.
vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 29 Jun 2006 11:01 GMT Aceto Salycitic Acid is still the safest thing out there..
Cox2Inhibitors tried to take all the "negative" effects out of aspirin (ASA)..
be careful what you ask for, you may get it..
- = - Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Reagan Mozart Pindus BioStrategist http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards] [Yellary Clinton & Yellalot Spitzer: Nasty Together]
vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 29 Jun 2006 11:26 GMT To pursue this, you need to see how prostaglandins affect heart disease..
http://rationalmedicine.org/nsaids.htm
Pain, inflammation and fever are to a large extent caused by prostaglandins, products of arachidonic acid metabolism. The membrane phospholipids are cleaved to produce arachidonic acid that is in turn metabolised via the cyclooxygenase and/or lipooxygenase pathway to produce prostaglandins and/or leukotrienes respectively.. Two isoforms of cyclooxygenase have been identified, cyclooxygenase 1 and cyclooxygenase 2 (COX - 1 and COX - 2). COX-1 is normally present in all tissues while COX-2 is induced by cytokines and certain serum factors.. Inhibition of COX-1 results in blockade of prostaglandin synthesis in the gastric mucosa and in the kidneys, and hence in drug induced gastritis and compromised renal blood flow.. Aspirin (acetyl salicylic acid) irreversibly acetylates cyclooxygenase, while other NSAIDs are reversible inhibitors by competing with arachidonic acid at the active site on cyclooxygense. (c) Dr. B. S. Kakkilaya 2000-2003
vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 29 Jun 2006 11:34 GMT You remember Dr Doolittle's Push-Me-Pull-You?
http://cvmedicine.stanford.edu/interventional/aspirin.html
Aspirin acetylates prostaglandin (PG) H-synthase and irreversibly inhibits cyclooxygenase activity. In platelets the formation of thromboxane is inhibited (thromboxane induces which inhibits platelet aggregation and vasoconstriction). Within an hour of ingestion, cyclooxygenase is inhibited. Although there is a theoretical question of inducing a prothrombotic effect at high doses, in vivo studies have not demonstrated a prothrombotic effect of ASA in doses up to 1300 mg/day. Clinically important platelet inhibition has been shown to occur in doses as low as 30 mg/day with minimal side effects
Roman Bystrianyk - 29 Jun 2006 17:53 GMT There are many non-toxic and safe alternatives that are worth looking into and this is a small list just to get you started.
Evening Primrose Oil In Patients With Rheumatoid Arthritis And Side-Effects Of Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs
Treatment of Rheumatoid Arthritis with Gammalinolenic Acid
Acupuncture 'works for arthritis
Acupuncture Shown to Relieve Pelvic Pregnancy Pain
Positive thinking a pain reliever
Placebo sparks brain painkillers
Vitamin E 'relieves period pain'
Carnitine Compound Eases Diabetic Nerve Pain
Yoga Eases Low-Grade Back Pain
Magnetic Bracelets Cut Osteoarthritis Pain -Study
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Evening Primrose Oil In Patients With Rheumatoid Arthritis And Side-Effects Of Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Brzeski, M., Madhok, R., and Capell, H. A., "Evening Primrose Oil In Patients With Rheumatoid Arthritis And Side-Effects Of Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs", British Journal of Rheumatology, January 1, 1991, Vol. 30, Num. 0, pp. 370-372 "Dietary fatty acids provide the direct substrates for biosynthesis of prostaglandins and leukotrienes and altering the type of dietary fatty acid changes the balance of prostaglandins produced during inflammation. Gamma-linolenic acid (GLA), found in evening primrose oil (EPO) is metabolized to dihommogammalinolenic acid (DGLA) which results in an increase of 1-series prostaglandins (PGs). PGE1 has important anti-inflammatory actions. A previous study suggested that EPO supplements enable up to 60% of RA patients to reduce or stop their dose of non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDS). ... Forty patients were randomized into a prospective 6-month double-blind placebo controlled study. Patients received evening primrose oil 6 g/day (i.e. 540 mg GLA/day) or placebo (olive oil, 6 g/day) in identical capsules. EPO capsules contained 10 mg alpha-tocopherol each as antioxidant. ... Our study found that only 23% (3/13) of patients completing treatment with EPO could reduce their NSAID dose and none could stop, similar to that found with placebo. This contrasts with previous study in which the same dose of EPO enabled 25% to stop and a further 38% to reduce NSAID dose after 6 months without clinical deterioration."
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Treatment of Rheumatoid Arthritis with Gammalinolenic Acid Leventhal L. J., MD, Boyce E. G., PharmD, and Zurier R. B., MD, "Treatment of Rheumatoid Arthritis with Gammalinolenic Acid", Annals of Internal Medicine, November 1, 1993, Vol. 119, Num. 9, pp. 867-873 "Design: A randomized, double-blind placebo-controlled, 24 week trial. Results: Treatment with gammolinolenic acid resulted in clinically important reduction in the signs and symptoms of disease activity in patients with rheumatoid arthritis. In contrast, patients given a placebo showed no change or showed worsening of disease. Gammolinolenic acid reduced the number of tender joints by 36%, the tender joint score by 45%, swollen joint count by 28%, and the swollen joint score by 41%, whereas the placebo group did not show significant improvement in any measure. Overall clinical responses (significant in four measures) were also better in the treatment group. No patient withdrew from the gammolinolenic acid treatment because of adverse reactions. Conclusion: Gammolinolenic acid in doses used in this study is well-tolerated and effective treatment for active rheumatoid arthritis. Gammolinolenic acid is available worldwide as a component of evening primrose and borage seed oils. It is usually taken in far lower doses than in this trial. ... Treatment with 1.4 g/d of gammolinolenic acid (in borage see oil) for 6 months resulted in clinically relevant and statistically significant reduction in signs and symptoms of disease activity in patients with rheumatoid arthritis. In contrast, patients given a placebo (cottonseed oil) showed worsening or no significant improvement of disease activity. ... Patients who completed the 24 weeks of gammolinolenic acid treatment showed statistically significant improvement in global assessment by physicians, patient assessment of pain using both a 5-point scale and visual analog scale, ability to perform vocational tasks, number of tender and swollen joints, and associated tender and swollen joint scores."
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"Acupuncture 'works for arthritis'", BBC News, December 21, 2004, Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4111047.stm
A major study of the effect of acupuncture on osteoarthritis of the knee has found it can both relieve pain and improve movement.
The US National Institutes of Health study concludes acupuncture is an effective complement to standard care.
Acupuncture patients showed a 40% decrease in pain, and a nearly 40% improvement in knee function. ...
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Acupuncture Shown to Relieve Pelvic Pregnancy Pain", ABC News, March 17, 2005, Link: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=KPBTBNIZX4RPACRBAEKSFEY?type =healthNews&storyID=7936881
Acupuncture and exercise can help relieve pelvic pain during pregnancy, Swedish researchers said on Friday.
About 30 percent of pregnant women suffer pelvic pain, usually in the back. Although doctors are not sure what causes it, they suspect a surge in hormones during pregnancy affects muscles and ligaments.
Women can wear a pelvic belt to relieve the pain and do exercises at home. Stabilizing exercises to improve mobility and strength is another therapy. ...
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"Positive thinking a pain reliever", BBC News, September 5, 2005, Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4215078.stm
US experts say they have strong scientific proof that mind over matter works for relieving pain.
Positive thinking was as powerful as a shot of morphine for relieving pain and reduced activity in parts of the brain that process pain information.
The Wake Forest University researchers say their findings show that by merely expecting pain to be less it will be less.
Their work is published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. ...
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"Placebo sparks brain painkillers", BBC News, August 24, 2005, Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4176078.stm
US researchers say they have evidence of why some people get pain relief from sham treatment.
They looked at the so-called placebo effect - when a person is successfully treated by a dummy drug just because they believe it works.
Using brain scans the University of Michigan Health System scientists found placebo treatment triggers the brains natural painkillers, called endorphins.
Their work on 14 volunteers appears in the Journal of Neuroscience.
Physical phenomenon
Researchers have already shown that some people given a placebo experience reduced pain sensation and have lower activity in brain regions that process pain as a result.
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He said that research so far suggested that 80-90% of people who benefit from analgesic drugs would probably get relief from a placebo too.
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"Vitamin E 'relieves period pain'", BBC News, April 11, 2005, Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4433059.stm
Taking vitamin E can significantly reduce the severity and duration of period pain, research suggests.
The condition, also known as dysmenorrhoea, usually affects teenage girls, and can significantly disrupt their education.
The research, by a team from Tarbait Modarres University in Iran, is published in the British Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology.
UK experts said the "breakthrough" could help thousands of young girls. ...
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Megan Rauscher, "Carnitine Compound Eases Diabetic Nerve Pain", Reuters, January 14, 2005, Link: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=BDGKLEUFSL5VYCRBAELCFEY?type =healthNews&storyID=7333283
People with diabetes-related nerve damage may find pain is relieved by taking a compound related to the popular supplement L-carnitine -- provided the treatment is started early -- according to a re-analysis of data from two large clinical trials.
Acetyl-L-carnitine (ALC) is not currently approved in the US for treating nerve pain, "but it is used widely for painful neuropathy in patients with diabetes and AIDS in Europe," Dr. Anders A. F. Sima from Wayne State University School of Medicine in Detroit, noted in a telephone interview with Reuters Health.
The original two trials -- one conducted in Europe and the other in the US and Canada -- involved over 1000 patients with diabetic neuropathy who were given ALC (500 or 1000 milligrams taken three times a day) or an inactive placebo for 52 weeks.
Those tests showed ALC had no significant effect on nerve conduction velocity, an indicator of improvement in nerve damage, but when Sima's group looked into the data they found certain patients did benefit.
Apparently, ALC at the higher dose significantly alleviated pain in the 27 percent of patients who reported pain as "the most bothersome symptom" at the beginning of the studies, the team notes in the medical journal Diabetes Care.
"Pain is very common in patients with diabetic peripheral nerve diseases, occurring in 30 percent to 35 percent of patients," Sima said. "It is usually extremely bothersome for the patients and in extreme cases drives them to suicide. We found that ALC has a significant effect on pain."
The greatest reductions in pain were seen in patients who had had diabetic neuropathy for a short time. "This is an axiom that goes for any of these treatments in chronic disorders like this -- the earlier you can start treatment the better," Sima advised.
He added, ALC is "very tolerable."
Sima said his team is currently working with the US Food and Drug Administration to get ALC formally approved for painful diabetic neuropathy.
SOURCE: Diabetes Care, January 2005.
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"Yoga Eases Low-Grade Back Pain", Forbes, December 20, 2005, Link: http://www.healthsentinel.com/admin.php?table_name=news&adminEvent=add_table_item
The next time your balky back acts up, maybe you should give the Warrior a try. Or the Cobra. Or perhaps the Supine Butterfly.
A new study of 101 adults with chronic lower back pain compared the benefits of yoga, conventional therapeutic exercise, and the information contained in a popular back pain book. The result: Those who took weekly yoga classes for 12 weeks experienced the most increase in function and the biggest decrease in the need for pain medication.
"The study suggests that for people who are looking to do something for themselves, you could clearly say that yoga is the best," said Karen Sherman, an epidemiologist and researcher with Group Health Cooperative in Seattle, and the lead author of the study.
The results of the study, which was sponsored by the National Institutes of Health, appear in the Dec. 20 issue of the Annals of Internal Medicine.
For the study, Sherman and her colleagues chose participants between 20 and 64 years of age who suffered from chronic but not serious back pain -- people who "see their primary care doctor because their back is bothering them, and they're not feeling good," she said.
The researchers divided the participants, mostly women in their 40s, into three groups. One group took classes in viniyoga, a therapeutically oriented style of yoga that's relatively easy to learn and also emphasizes safety. The second group attended specifically designed therapeutic exercise classes taught by a physical therapist, which included strength and stretching exercises. The third group was given a copy of The Back Pain Helpbook and asked to read it.
The participants were interviewed four times during the 26-week study, including prior to the start the study and a follow-up at 26 weeks, to assess their ability to do daily tasks, pain level and how much pain medication they took.
All three groups reported improved function. But those who took the yoga class experienced the most improvement, with 78 percent of the group improving by at least two points on a standardized measure called the Roland Disability Scale, which assesses how people can perform daily tasks, such as walking up stairs without pain or bending over to tie shoelaces. Sixty-three percent who took the exercise class reported at least a two-point improvement, while 47 percent of those who read the book reported a similar benefit, Sherman said.
The yoga participants also reduced their use of pain medicine more than those in the other two groups. By the end of the 26 weeks, only 21 percent in the yoga class were taking medication for their back pain; 58 percent had been doing so before starting the yoga class. The use of pain medicine for the exercise group dropped to 50 percent from 57 percent, while those who read the book increased their use of pain medication -- from 50 percent to 59 percent, the researchers said. Sherman said yoga may be more effective in helping with back pain because many people are unaware how they move their bodies. And the breathing that is a component of yoga makes people more conscious of their bodies and of ways they move that might contribute to their back problems, she said.
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"Magnetic Bracelets Cut Osteoarthritis Pain -Study", Reuters UK, December 17, 2004, Link: http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=RFCKBYLM1PYWECRBAEZSFFA?ty pe=healthNews&storyID=7126141
Magnetic bracelets can help to ease the pain of osteoarthritis of the hip and knee, British researchers said on Friday.
In a study of nearly 200 sufferers of the joint disease, patients who wore a standard-strength magnetic bracelet reported having less pain than those who wore weaker or non-magnetic bracelets for 12 weeks.
"We found evidence of a beneficial effect of magnetic wrist bracelets on the pain of osteoarthritis of the hip and knee," Professor Edzard Ernst, of the Peninsula Medical School in Plymouth, southern England, said in a report in the British Medical Journal.
Although the results are consistent with previous studies that analyzed magnetic therapy, the scientists said they did not know whether the reported improvement was due to the bracelet, the placebo effect, a believed benefit from a treatment that has no effect, or both.
"Whatever the mechanism, the benefit from magnetic bracelets seems clinically useful," Ernst and his colleagues added.
The patients wearing the higher strength magnetic bracelets reported the biggest improvement, which the scientists said suggested the magnetic strength is important. The benefits were in addition to improvements from standard treatments for the illness.
Osteoarthritis is the most common form of arthritis, which is a leading cause of disability. It can affect any joint in the body but is common in the knees and hips. Pain in a joint after inactivity, swelling and stiffness are symptoms. There is no cure but treatments can reduce pain and maintain movement.
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Jim Chinnis - 29 Jun 2006 19:27 GMT "Roman Bystrianyk" <rbystrianyk@gmail.com> wrote in part:
>There are many non-toxic and safe alternatives that are worth looking >into and this is a small list just to get you started. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Magnetic Bracelets Cut Osteoarthritis Pain -Study Narcotics actually work best. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Jun 2006 21:34 GMT > "Roman Bystrianyk" <rbystrianyk@gmail.com> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Narcotics actually work best. Except for their abuse/addiction potential.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheLife
Roman Bystrianyk - 29 Jun 2006 23:24 GMT > Narcotics actually work best. > -- > Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA "All NSAIDs, both COX-2 selective and nonselective, provide only a modest symptomatic benefit over placebo, and this benefit has been proven only in short-term trials. With long-term therapy, it is not known whether the benefits of this class of drugs exceed the harms." - Canadian Medical Association Journal
vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 30 Jun 2006 10:38 GMT That brings up another issue: PAIN IS AN ALARM!
Killing pain is like shooting a fire alarm when it goes off.
Resorting to pain killing is in a way admitting the problem can't be fixed.
- = - Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Reagan Mozart Pindus BioStrategist http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards] [Yellary Clinton & Yellalot Spitzer: Nasty Together]
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 30 Jun 2006 18:48 GMT > That brings up another issue: PAIN IS AN ALARM! > > Killing pain is like shooting a fire alarm when it goes off. > > Resorting to pain killing is in a way admitting the problem can't be fixed. Correct. Thankfully, Limbrel is not a pain killer but an effective anti-inflammatory.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheLife
vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 30 Jun 2006 10:49 GMT Back when SSRIs (eg Prozac) debuted there was talk of using tricyclic antidepressants as pain killing patches.
I prefer acetamenaphen ointments and patches because they delivers the pain killing to the site without messing up your internal organs as much.
The way immodium/loperamide is a large morphine molecule that stays in your gut (and out of your blood) also offers a clue. Maybe they could make morphine that only works on joints and doesn't mess with your brain. Still, morphine destroys circulation and hastens death in all cases. My dentist said she had patients who ulcerated their mouths by abusing otc oral painkillers. When I was in college, the adjacent hospital was always full of legless heroine addicts. I would rather have medicine that rebuilds the joints than painkillers.
- = - Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Reagan Mozart Pindus BioStrategist http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards] [Yellary Clinton & Yellalot Spitzer: Nasty Together]
David Wright - 29 Jun 2006 05:38 GMT >You would think that people would be up in arms protesting, demanding >that these class of drugs prescribed in abundance by doctors and >purchased over the counter be made safe. "Be made safe?" How, by waving a magic wand?
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
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