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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / May 2006Avoid ADHD drugs, Canada tells heart patients
http://today.reuters.co.uk/misc/PrinterFriendlyPopup.aspx?type=healthNews&storyI D=2006-05-26T152129Z_01_N265695_RTRIDST_0_HEALTH-CANADA-DRUGS-DC.XML Excerpts: OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada's health ministry on Friday warned people with high blood pressure, heart disease and a number of other medical ailments not to take drugs used to manage Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD). "All ADHD drugs stimulate the heart and blood vessels ... The effects are usually mild or moderate, but in some patients this stimulation may -- in rare cases -- result in cardiac arrests, strokes or death," said Health Canada. The drugs should be shunned by those with high blood pressure, heart disease or abnormalities, hardening of the arteries or those with an overactive thyroid gland, it added. Reviewers at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) have been working for months to analyze reports of sudden deaths, heart attacks and strokes as well as psychotic behavior such as hallucinations suffered by those who took the drugs. The drugs mentioned by Health Canada include: * Adderall XR * Concerta * Ritalin and Ritalin SR * Dexedrine * Strattera > http://today.reuters.co.uk/misc/PrinterFriendlyPopup.aspx?type=healthNews&storyI D=2006-05-26T152129Z_01_N265695_RTRIDST_0_HEALTH-CANADA-DRUGS-DC.XML > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > * Strattera I agree wholeheartedly. People with heart problems, particularly those with a history of tachyarrythmias should definitely avoid stimulant medications. They should also, of course, avoid street stimulants like cocaine, methamphetamines, and their dirivatives, which, by the way, account for many, many more ER visits and deaths than ADHD medications.  Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ >> http://today.reuters.co.uk/misc/PrinterFriendlyPopup.aspx?type=healthNews&storyI D=2006-05-26T152129Z_01_N265695_RTRIDST_0_HEALTH-CANADA-DRUGS-DC.XML >> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > methamphetamines, and their dirivatives, which, by the way, account for > many, many more ER visits and deaths than ADHD medications. Cardiologists tell such patients to also avoid Caffeine, etc. "Mark Probert" wrote a diversion <snip> >>> http://today.reuters.co.uk/misc/PrinterFriendlyPopup.aspx?type=healthNews&storyI D=2006-05-26T152129Z_01_N265695_RTRIDST_0_HEALTH-CANADA-DRUGS-DC.XML >>> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >> with a history of tachyarrythmias should definitely avoid stimulant >> medications. > "Mark Probert" wrote a diversion > > <snip> It is no diversion to point out that other chemicals, such as Caffeine pose similar risks to medications. I know you do not like to have your anti-medication propaganda trivialized, but, you post trivia. >>>> http://today.reuters.co.uk/misc/PrinterFriendlyPopup.aspx?type=healthNews&storyI D=2006-05-26T152129Z_01_N265695_RTRIDST_0_HEALTH-CANADA-DRUGS-DC.XML >>>> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >>> with a history of tachyarrythmias should definitely avoid stimulant >>> medications. "Mark Probert" wishes to argue and divert >> "Mark Probert" wrote a diversion >> >> <snip> >>>>> http://today.reuters.co.uk/misc/PrinterFriendlyPopup.aspx?type=healthNews&storyI D=2006-05-26T152129Z_01_N265695_RTRIDST_0_HEALTH-CANADA-DRUGS-DC.XML >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >>>> with a history of tachyarrythmias should definitely avoid stimulant >>>> medications. > "Mark Probert" wishes to expand Jan's knowledge >> >>> "Mark Probert" wrote an intelligent comment It is no diversion to point out that other chemicals, such as Caffeine pose similar risks to medications. I know you do not like to have your anti-medication propaganda trivialized, but, you post trivia. >>> <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >>>>> with a history of tachyarrythmias should definitely avoid stimulant >>>>> medications. > > "Mark Probert" wishes to expand Jan's knowledge > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I know you do not like to have your anti-medication propaganda > trivialized, but, you post trivia. One other thing: If I am on my adddeerrrallll xr, the BP does tend to be higher. However, if I give my self the suggestion: "I can lower my BP again..." over for a minute, it _does_ go down. I know, as I measure my BP and my patients' routinely. I cannot do that if I am not on meds SP SignatureTake out the TRA..ASH to reply >> > "Mark Probert" wishes to expand Jan's knowledge >> >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I cannot do that if I am not on meds <BG> It can be amazing what one can do with t'ai chi breathing, and meditation no? (and I can do it much more effectively when I am on medication as well...easier to do it without the "monkey mind" chattering at me and distracting me <G>) SignatureBuny " Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." ~ Albert Camus > <BG> It can be amazing what one can do with t'ai chi breathing, and > meditation no? > > (and I can do it much more effectively when I am on medication as > well...easier to do it without the "monkey mind" chattering at me and > distracting me <G>) Oooofff.... I tried t'ai chi in College, but I just couldn't get into it. Maybe now it would be different. We did the Big Circle of movements (90 plus, I think). I might try it again sometime. I _do_ practice Kibuki breathing (kyokochinki karate) when waiting for red lights and in line at the market. If I am on meds, there is a better effect, yes. The Pipe breaks the Ceremonial Celery in half, and turning to the East, eats it. SP SignatureTake out the TRA..ASH to reply >> > "Mark Probert" wishes to expand Jan's knowledge >> >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> I know you do not like to have your anti-medication propaganda >> trivialized, but, you post trivia. Sad that Mark and evidently SP thinks this subject is *trivia* <snip> http://today.reuters.co.uk/misc/PrinterFriendlyPopup.aspx?type=health... Excerpts: OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada's health ministry on Friday warned people with high blood pressure, heart disease and a number of other medical ailments not to take drugs used to manage Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD). "All ADHD drugs stimulate the heart and blood vessels ... The effects are usually mild or moderate, but in some patients this stimulation may -- in rare cases -- result in cardiac arrests, strokes or death," said Health Canada. The drugs should be shunned by those with high blood pressure, heart disease or abnormalities, hardening of the arteries or those with an overactive thyroid gland, it added. Reviewers at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) have been working for months to analyze reports of sudden deaths, heart attacks and strokes as well as psychotic behavior such as hallucinations suffered by those who took the drugs. The drugs mentioned by Health Canada include: * Adderall XR * Concerta * Ritalin and Ritalin SR * Dexedrine * Strattera > SP >>>> "Mark Probert" wishes to expand Jan's knowledge >>> >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>> trivialized, but, you post trivia. > Sad that Mark and evidently SP thinks this subject is *trivia* The warnings are OLD NEWS amongst those who have dealt with this problem for years. AFAIAC, it IS trivia. > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >> SP >>>>> "Mark Probert" wishes to expand Jan's knowledge >>>> >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>>> I know you do not like to have your anti-medication propaganda >>>> trivialized, but, you post trivia. >> Sad that Mark and evidently SP thinks this subject is *trivia* > > The warnings are OLD NEWS Fri May 26, 2006 4:21 PM BST amongst those who have dealt with this problem > for years. AFAIAC, it IS trivia. The article was NOT in the news for YOU. They have never heard of YOU so they are NOT concerned with your *AFAIAC*. It IS sad that both you and SP think this subject is *trivia* >> <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> >>> SP >>>>>> "Mark Probert" wishes to expand Jan's knowledge >>>>> >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > It IS sad that both you and SP think this subject is *trivia* Thus said the picture in the dictionary right next to the word *trivia*. >>> <snip> >>> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >>> >>>> SP >>>>>> "Mark Probert" wishes to expand Jan's knowledge >>>>> >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > It IS sad that both you and SP think this subject is *trivia* Physicians, et al, have been aware of this for years. It is old news, and your intent in posting was to bash medication yet again. >>>>>>> "Mark Probert" wishes to expand Jan's knowledge >>>>>> >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Physicians, et al, have been aware of this for years. It is old news, and > your intent in posting was to bash medication yet again. Wrong. The public has a right to know! >>>>>>>> "Mark Probert" wishes to expand Jan's knowledge >>>>>>> >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Wrong. RIGHT! > The public has a right to know! The information has been available to the public for years, and years, and years... >>>>>>>>> "Mark Probert" wishes to expand Jan's knowledge >>>>>>>> >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > The information has been available to the public for years, and years, and > years... REUTERS: Fri May 26, 2006 4:21 PM BST http://www.canadaeast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060530/TPLIFE05/605300372 /-1/LIFE As published on page D5 on May 30, 2006 http://www.docguide.com/news/content.nsf/news/852571020057CCF68525717A00553C44 May 26, 2006 >>>>>>>>>> "Mark Probert" wishes to expand Jan's knowledge >>>>>>>>> >> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > May 26, 2006 Must have been a slow news day. >>> http://today.reuters.co.uk/misc/PrinterFriendlyPopup.aspx?type=healthNews&storyI D=2006-05-26T152129Z_01_N265695_RTRIDST_0_HEALTH-CANADA-DRUGS-DC.XML >>> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Cardiologists tell such patients to also avoid Caffeine, etc. Interesting that these are the only ones that are noted....because there are *many* drugs that people with high blood pressure should avoid...I wonder of Jan Drew is campaigning to have Birth Control Pills removed from the market as well....since she is so avid in this logic, it would be interesting that her interests would coincide with that of the Catholic Church.... I did not know that Jan Drew was a shill for the Catholic Church.... SignatureBuny " Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." ~ Albert Camus "Sumbuny" once again wants to change the subject to me. Rather than ADHD drugs. >>>> http://today.reuters.co.uk/misc/PrinterFriendlyPopup.aspx?type=healthNews&storyI D=2006-05-26T152129Z_01_N265695_RTRIDST_0_HEALTH-CANADA-DRUGS-DC.XML >>>> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > I did not know that Jan Drew was a shill for the Catholic Church.... "Rich" <joshew@hawaii.rr.com> wrote : >> http://today.reuters.co.uk/misc/PrinterFriendlyPopup.aspx?type=healthNews&storyI D=2006-05-26T152129Z_01_N265695_RTRIDST_0_HEALTH-CANADA-DRUGS-DC.XML >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > with a history of tachyarrythmias should definitely avoid stimulant > medications. "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> . . . snipped my post to change it's meaning. That is a LIE, Jan. You, who hold yourself forth as always honest and truthful should be above such things. Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ "Rich" <joshew@hawaii.rr.com > "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> > > . . . snipped my post to change it's meaning. ...No, I snipped a diversion. That is a LIE, Jan. No, it is not LIE. You, who hold yourself forth as always honest and truthful should be above such > things. > --Rich > "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> > > . . . snipped my post to change it's meaning. That is a LIE, Jan. > > --Rich Mark Probert wrote: Jan Drew wrote: > "Mark Probert" wishes to expand Jan's knowledge >> Jan Drew wrote: >>> "Mark Probert" wrote an intelligent comment Now...you were saying....Rich? > > "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Now...you were saying....Rich? He was saying that you snipped his post to change its meaning, and that that is dishonest. Have your comprehension skills slipped even further? >> > "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> >> > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > He was saying that you snipped his post to change its meaning, and that > that is dishonest. Have your comprehension skills slipped even further? Was *I* asking you? NO. Mark snipped to change the meaning + added words! TWICE! That is dishonesty. Have YOUR *selective* comprehension skills slipped even further? > Was *I* asking you? When you figure out who is talking through you, feel free to contact World Organization for Space Creature Annihilation... WOSCA - 1-800-DUH-PREZ >>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > TWICE! That is untrue. I changed the intro line to read: "Mark Probert" wishes to expand Jan's knowledge "Mark Probert" wrote an intelligent comment Which is something that I recall seeing you do when you say "Mark Probert LIED" or something to that effect. > That is dishonesty. So, stop doing it. > Have YOUR *selective* comprehension skills slipped even further? Thank you once again for another outstanding post. I truly believe that this wraps up, once and for all, the fact that these medications are extremely dangerous and should be avoided, except in extremely rare cases. We all know the mass abuse of those drugs in the article, and the effects are chilling in the extreme. Not only do you make the case that these meds are taken in dosages that far exceed the norm, they are taken by perfectly normal kids that do not need to ruin their brains in the developmental stage. This dovetails perfectly with the research that proves that ER rooms are being overwhelmed by overdoses of these meds. At least Canada is waking up and trying to halt the flow of this tragedy. We must wake up enough Americans to deter, if not totally stop, the prescription of these meds until #1) Clinical tests truly establish the safety of these drugs #2) Real alternatives besides drugs can be tried #3) A quick rush to judgment to get as many kids branded as ADD/ADHD/ODD as possible. My own research-team has demonstrably proven that well over 1/2 of these kids DO NOT NEED ANY MEDICINE at all. Now lets all work toward those goals. Thank you for your time and please, no crack-pots or nasty negativists. > This dovetails perfectly with the research that proves that ER rooms > are being overwhelmed by overdoses of these meds. "ER rooms?" No, emergency room rooms are NOT being "overwhelmed" by overdoses of these or any other meds. Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ >> This dovetails perfectly with the research that proves that ER rooms >> are being overwhelmed by overdoses of these meds. > > "ER rooms?" No, emergency room rooms are NOT being "overwhelmed" by > overdoses of these or any other meds. You'll have to forgive wholeFARTer, as he deals with ER (empty rooms) all the time. Just padding and a jacket where the sleeves are secured behind his back. > "ER rooms?" No, emergency room rooms are NOT being "overwhelmed" by > overdoses of these or any other meds. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://www.skeptic.com/ > http://www.csicop.org/ Those 2 web site are related to scientific cover-up. Csicop are nothing but CIA spOOks, and very ineffective ones at that. Skeptic are also related to intel agencies. Apparently this poster called Rich is also part of the corporate control of medicine. Sorry Charlie, you have been outed. Now please take your Cult of the Pro-Med Lobby out of this newsgroup. Jan, Ms. Rose and I can take care of those who have been forced by the Medical Authorities Inc. to massively dose their kids (some as young as 10) with mind-numbing and liver destroying drugs. We must stop this at once FOR ALL MANKIND! <snip> I get it. Like PeterB, you're actually out to embarrass the alternauts. A tad dishonest. <snip blatant lie> Truer words have never been spoketh. Thanks for coming out of the closet, "Jan Drew". | "I am a path-ill-logical dumb-a.s." > <snip blatant lie> Actually, it is not a lie. wHoleFARTer is an embarrassment to just about anyone. <snip waste of wandwidth> >> <snip blatant lie> > <snip waste of wandwidth> >>> >>> <snip blatant lie> Actually, it is not a lie. wHoleFARTer is an embarrassment to just about anyone, except you. Sad that. > <snip> > > I get it. Like PeterB, you're actually out to embarrass the alternauts. > A tad dishonest. Extremely. I detest having these people giving those of us who use alternative means of dealing with health issues, WHERE APPROPRIATE, a bad name. Kitten | > <snip> | > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | | Kitten It's pretty easy to tell the proselytizers from the honest folks, actually I detect a little bit of PARANOIA here. How about the space alien found in a duck, dood? Better go stomp on some ducks tomorrow in order to save humanity!!! http://prthatrocks.com/ebayitempages/alieninduck.htm | Those 2 web site are related to scientific cover-up. Csicop are | nothing [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | their kids (some as young as 10) with mind-numbing and liver | destroying drugs. We must stop this at once FOR ALL MANKIND! >> "ER rooms?" No, emergency room rooms are NOT being "overwhelmed" by >> overdoses of these or any other meds. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > but CIA spOOks, and very ineffective ones at that. Skeptic are also > related to intel agencies. Tin-foil hat time! >>> "ER rooms?" No, emergency room rooms are NOT being "overwhelmed" by >>> overdoses of these or any other meds. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Tin-foil hat time! Too late for the tinfoil hat; we CIA spooks have already gotten into Wholeflaffer's mind and explored it thoroughly. Finding an intellect to weak to pose any real danger, and a psyche so filthy that it was like wading through a stinking cesspool, we have since gotten back out, and have no intention of ever going back there again. So, Wholefarter can dispense with the Reynolds' Wrap chapeaux. Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ >>>> "ER rooms?" No, emergency room rooms are NOT being "overwhelmed" by >>>> overdoses of these or any other meds. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Too late for the tinfoil hat; we CIA spooks have already gotten into > Wholeflaffer's mind and explored it thoroughly. I am not impressed. Exploring empty space is dull. Finding an intellect to weak > to pose any real danger, and a psyche so filthy that it was like wading > through a stinking cesspool, we have since gotten back out, and have no > intention of ever going back there again. So, Wholefarter can dispense with > the Reynolds' Wrap chapeaux. I was more concerned with keeping the contents in place. Imagine if it got out? >Thank you once again for another outstanding post. I truly believe >that this wraps up, once and for all, the fact that these medications >are extremely dangerous and should be avoided, except in extremely rare >cases. We all know the mass abuse of those drugs in the article, and >the effects are chilling in the extreme. Hey, "Sir Arthur," you cretin, when you don't include any text from the person to whom you are responding, it makes it look as though you are talking to the voices in your head. Which, in your case, is a distinct possibility... -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth >> Thank you once again for another outstanding post. I truly believe >> that this wraps up, once and for all, the fact that these medications [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > are talking to the voices in your head. Which, in your case, is a > distinct possibility... He is using GoogleGroups and has not figured out the hard stuff, yet. Give him a few years. |
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