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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / March 2006Different legs of the same Cockroach
See Barrett and other healthfrauds and quacks together at industsry funded ACSH.org http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/quackbuster_organizations.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackbustersVsIlena.htm . And these people are frauds why? Details please. In the past two days I have visted a few sites linked from this group some are harmless nut cases some seem to offer reasonable advice. But some are just evil. I mean fancy advocating not vaccinating children against lethal ilnesses. Why? It seems so they can make money pushing usless alternatives. Should children die just so those people can make a few (well maybe more than a few) dollars? Have any off you people here ever seen a child with Polio? I have. It's not pretty. When I was young doctors were just starting to get a handle on such things. They used vaccines. I'm glad I wasn't born 10 years earlier. Please note I don't know the dates of the vaccine roll outs or details of such. I could look it up if anyone wants me to. I just know that illnesses I heard of when I was young I don't hear about anymore. So if I am a few years out I apologise. Oh yeah some of the sites I saw about so called "cancer cures" were pretty sus as well. Hulda Clarke? Is that right? Anyone heard of her? What a loon. Zappers and parasites and flukes etc. Geeze. She must laugh herself shitless all the way to the bank. If you don't know about her google. Or ask and I will for you. This is deep stuff people. Watch out. Not everything you read on the internet is true or safe. In fact some of it is downright criminal Or should be if it isn't. James > And these people are frauds why? Details please. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > that illnesses I heard of when I was young I don't hear about anymore. > So if I am a few years out I apologise. Does it bother you that progress has not been made on this or any other natural alternative/cure because it doesn't make $. "The killing power of ascorbic acid on virus bodies has been demonstrated by me in hundreds of cases, many of which were treated in our hospital with nothing but vitamin C. We have published some 28 papers on this matter."--- dr Klenner Polio: 1. CW Jungeblut Inactivation of Polio Virus by Crystaline Vitamin C. Journal of Experimental Medicine, vol 62. Pp517-521 1935 2. CW Jungeblut Further Observations on Vitamin C Therapy in Exerimental Polio'. Journal of Experimental Med' vol 65 1937. Ibid vol 66 1937. Ibid vol 70 1939 3. F R Klenner. The Treatment of Polio and Other Virus Diseases with Vitamin C. Southern Medicine and Surgery. Vol111 1949. Massive Doses of Vitamin C and the Virus Diseases Ibid, vol 113 1951. The Vitamin and Massage Treatment for Acute Polio'. Ibid, vol114 1952. The Use of Vitamin C as an antibiotic. Journal of Applied Nutrition, vol6 1953. The Folly of Continual Use of a Killed Polio Virus Vaccine. Tri-State Medical Journal 1959. 4. O Gsell and F Kalt. Treatment of Epidemic Polio' with High Doses of Ascorbic Acid. Schweizerische Medizinische Wochenschrift vol 84 1954 5. H Baur. Polio' Therapy with Ascorbic Acid. Helvetia Medica Acta. Vol83 1955 6. E Greer Vitamin C in Acute Polio'. Medical Times (Manhasset) vol 83 1955. R Cathcart. Ascorbate in The Treatment of Viral Disease. Paper presented World Congress on the Virus. San Diego 1980 >> And these people are frauds why? Details please. >> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > R Cathcart. Ascorbate in The Treatment of Viral Disease. Paper > presented World Congress on the Virus. San Diego 1980 1935, 1937, 1939, 1949, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1959, 1954, 1955 and then a presentation in 1980 Maybe something more modern? We *have* entered a new millenium. I take vitamins, realize and understand their significance. The reason I take them is if I miss a meal or a week of quality nutritional intake (and that happens very often) I got some reserves stored for my immunity. But vitamins are to help and to maintain. Also, I do not buy $90 monthly supply of vitamins at my friend's vitamin store. He told me to save some money and go to Costco to get $10 yearly supply of them. Call him a bad businessman, but I respect that he does not want to gyp his friends. > >> And these people are frauds why? Details please. > >> [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > go to Costco to get $10 yearly supply of them. Call him a bad businessman, > but I respect that he does not want to gyp his friends. I've heard all vitamin C is about the same no matter where you get them from. You kinda addressed my point. Some interesting literature in the 50's about the curative properties on polio and heart disease with vitamin C and then once the patent ended so did the studies. >> >> And these people are frauds why? Details please. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > 50's about the curative properties on polio and heart disease with > vitamin C and then once the patent ended so did the studies. Hmm, interesting point about patents and studies. Most vitamins are the same, just like aspirin. Same formula = same product. The only difference may be in production (purity controls, etc) >> >> And these people are frauds why? Details please. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > 50's about the curative properties on polio and heart disease with > vitamin C and then once the patent ended so did the studies. Loose talk -- when was Vitamin C EVER under patent? In addition, the studies performed in those days were rarely properly controlled. . Since most people recover from viral illnesses, even polio, it is impossible to establish that any treatment is effective without proper controls. It has proved very difficult to show that Vitamin C has any effect in preventing or curing even the common cold, so that it remins unlikely that it is the answer to any viral illness. The in vitro studies listed above don't count, as the researchers would not know what concentrations to use to mimic normal biological conditions, and could use concentrations not achievable by oral administration. . Peter Moran Er I'm back. I'm going to ignore all the posts about vitamins. Except to say they will not kill even one virus. Well maybe if you pour it on top of them and leave it for a while. But Ilena you didn't say anything about what I asked you about you picked on that Clarke person. Do you agree that such obvious crooks bring the alternate health movment into disrepute? I can't really tell from your post. Please post more detail rgardind why Barret etc are the bad guys. From what I read on the internet (an extra day now) he seems to be doing good work advising people about the worst of the scammers. I think Clarke would have to be one of those. I dunno, I'm new. But Clarke seems to be an obvious phoney. Taking money off sick people and just keeping it. I'd call that fraud. I mean you don't really think that all cancer is caused by a fluke and can be cured by a mild electric current do you? Please reply seriously. James > Er I'm back. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > (snip for clarity to my response) > James James, vitamins aren't meant to kill viruses or anything else. They are to supplement ones self when not able to get them in their normal diet, like I can't. As for Clark, not a fan at all here. UM MOM Susan, PS: which group are you posting from? talk.politics.medicine? > Er I'm back. > > I'm going to ignore all the posts about vitamins. Except to say they > will not kill even one virus. <snip> Where do you get this info? Dr. Klenner did research to show otherwise. ...From 1943 through 1947 Dr. Klenner reported successful treatment of 41 more cases of viral pneumonia using massive doses of vitamin C. From these cases he learned what dosage and route of administration intravenously, intramuscularly, or orally was best for each patient. Dr. Klenner gave these details in a February 1948 paper published in the Journal of Southern Medicine and Surgery entitled Virus Pneumonia and Its Treatment with Vitamin C.... Yes Sdores exactly, well said. I'm posting from misc.health.alternative. I'm new here, just a few days. Strange place but interesting people. I can't say how long I can keep up the pace though it's busy in here. As to Mogwai fear Satan. Bullshit, nobody ever "proved" that vitamin C cures any viral infection. You fear Satan? Why? My invisable friend must be better than your invisable friend. I have no fear of Satan at all. mail me off group iratoole@yahoo.com and I'll explain why there is no need to be afraid. It's off topic for here though. I do take a few vitamins. Mostly B complex. "Cos I drinks a bit. and the occasionall multi. Actually though the multis seem to have no effect the Bs? Maybe a little bit if I take about three a day. the wife bought some 500mg Cs a while ago. I tried them in various doses from large to small to often to occasionally. No effect at all. Tried large doses when I had the flu, really bad flu. No effect at all. Over all I spend about $18.00 over 3 or 4 months for a maybe small benefit. Higher doses don't seem to make much diffence. Actually if they make any difference to my wellbeing it's a bit hard to tell. They do seem to though The Bs I mean. Although I must admit I do tend to eat more red meat and fish at the same time. But it's cheap and easy so I'll keep taking them. James James, I am here less than a week and consider packing. > Yes Sdores exactly, well said. I'm posting from > misc.health.alternative. I'm new here, just a few days. Strange place [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > James > James, I am here less than a week and consider packing. Truly... I only hang around for the amusement factor. > > James, I am here less than a week and consider packing. > > Truly... I only hang around for the amusement factor. But think--if you go, the common sense factor here will be reduced by an enormous amount... It should be reduced to zero. Then Jan and the likes will swim with in their own sh.t. Credibility will be lost and they will start eating as each other. >> > James, I am here less than a week and consider packing. >> >> Truly... I only hang around for the amusement factor. > > But think--if you go, the common sense factor here will be reduced by > an enormous amount... > Yes Sdores exactly, well said. I'm posting from > misc.health.alternative. I'm new here, just a few days. Strange place [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > iratoole@yahoo.com and I'll explain why there is no need to be afraid. > It's off topic for here though. Gnostic christian myself. satan moves in many forms. How bout you? feel like ignoring her correspondence? The alarm sounds and nobody listens. Hey didn't I just see a movie on this? >> >> And these people are frauds why? Details please. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] >50's about the curative properties on polio and heart disease with >vitamin C and then once the patent ended so did the studies. Patent on Vitamin C!!! SPLOOOOORRRRFFF!!! Have you ever thought of writing for a comedy television show?  SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com Here's a comedy. Yes Vitamin C (and silver) should work great against SARS yet there will be no funding because BigPharma wont profit from it. Who will we blame when SARS hits and this evidence was ignored by our "trusted" governments? The revolution will be as bloody as the virus if not more. Correspondence Vitamin C and SARS coronavirus Harri Hemilä* Department of Public Health, University of Helsinki, Helsinki, FIN-00014 Finland Keywords: ascorbic acid, pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome Sir, Recently, a new coronavirus was identified as the cause of the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).1 In the absence of a specific treatment for SARS, the possibility that vitamin C may show non-specific effects on severe viral respiratory tract infections should be considered. There are numerous reports indicating that vitamin C may affect the immune system,2,3 for example the function of phagocytes, transformation of T lymphocytes and production of interferon. In particular, vitamin C increased the resistance of chick embryo tracheal organ cultures to infection caused by an avian coronavirus.4 Studies in animals found that vitamin C modifies susceptibility to various bacterial and viral infections,3 for example protecting broiler chicks against an avian coronavirus.5 Placebo-controlled trials have shown quite consistently that the duration and severity of common cold episodes are reduced in the vitamin C groups,3 indicating that viral respiratory infections in humans are affected by vitamin C levels. There is also evidence indicating that vitamin C may affect pneumonia.3 In particular, three controlled trials with human subjects reported a significantly lower incidence of pneumonia in vitamin C-supplemented groups,6 suggesting that vitamin C may affect susceptibility to lower respiratory tract infections under certain conditions. The possibility that vitamin C affects severe viral respiratory tract infections would seem to warrant further study, especially in light of the recent SARS epidemic. http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/52/6/1049 Correspondence I should write a letter too, citing research identifying what SARS and coronavirus is. And then cite Enc.Brit. what a virus is. Too much dust in my eyes! Here's a comedy. Yes Vitamin C (and silver) should work great against SARS yet there will be no funding because BigPharma wont profit from it. Who will we blame when SARS hits and this evidence was ignored by our "trusted" governments? The revolution will be as bloody as the virus if not more. Correspondence Vitamin C and SARS coronavirus Harri Hemilä* Department of Public Health, University of Helsinki, Helsinki, FIN-00014 Finland Keywords: ascorbic acid, pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome Sir, Recently, a new coronavirus was identified as the cause of the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).1 In the absence of a specific treatment for SARS, the possibility that vitamin C may show non-specific effects on severe viral respiratory tract infections should be considered. There are numerous reports indicating that vitamin C may affect the immune system,2,3 for example the function of phagocytes, transformation of T lymphocytes and production of interferon. In particular, vitamin C increased the resistance of chick embryo tracheal organ cultures to infection caused by an avian coronavirus.4 Studies in animals found that vitamin C modifies susceptibility to various bacterial and viral infections,3 for example protecting broiler chicks against an avian coronavirus.5 Placebo-controlled trials have shown quite consistently that the duration and severity of common cold episodes are reduced in the vitamin C groups,3 indicating that viral respiratory infections in humans are affected by vitamin C levels. There is also evidence indicating that vitamin C may affect pneumonia.3 In particular, three controlled trials with human subjects reported a significantly lower incidence of pneumonia in vitamin C-supplemented groups,6 suggesting that vitamin C may affect susceptibility to lower respiratory tract infections under certain conditions. The possibility that vitamin C affects severe viral respiratory tract infections would seem to warrant further study, especially in light of the recent SARS epidemic. http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/52/6/1049 > Correspondence > I should write a letter too, citing research identifying what SARS and > coronavirus is. And then cite Enc.Brit. what a virus is. Too much dust in my > eyes! So you suggest we ignore her correspondence? I suggest that it does not show how SARS will be overlooked if we overlook a letter to the editor. >> Correspondence >> I should write a letter too, citing research identifying what SARS and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > So you suggest we ignore her correspondence? > I suggest that it does not show how SARS will be overlooked if we overlook a > letter to the editor. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > > So you suggest we ignore her correspondence? How many people read this rag anyway? http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/52/6/1049 >> I suggest that it does not show how SARS will be overlooked if we >> overlook a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > How many people read this rag anyway? > http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/52/6/1049 I guess I did. > >> I suggest that it does not show how SARS will be overlooked if we > >> overlook a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I guess I did. What read it? ignore it? both? >> >> I suggest that it does not show how SARS will be overlooked if we >> >> overlook a [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > What read it? ignore it? both? Both. > >> >> I suggest that it does not show how SARS will be overlooked if we > >> >> overlook a [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > Both. The possibility that vitamin C affects severe viral respiratory tract infections would seem to warrant further study, especially in light of the recent SARS epidemic. to think otherwise is either foolish or pharmish. I suspect the latter. >> >> >> I suggest that it does not show how SARS will be overlooked if we >> >> >> overlook a [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > to think otherwise is either foolish or pharmish. I suspect the latter. Pharmish, that's cute. The studies had been done that show vit-C will help the immune system fight off viruses. I doubt many people disagree with that. As far as overdosing on ascorbic acid to treat a dz, that's absurd. SARS or comon cold, it is still a virus, no matter how you dress it up. > >> >> >> I suggest that it does not show how SARS will be overlooked if we > >> >> >> overlook a [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > As far as overdosing on ascorbic acid to treat a dz, that's absurd. SARS or > comon cold, it is still a virus, no matter how you dress it up. So it does not warrant further study. on that we'll have to disagree. >> >> >> >> I suggest that it does not show how SARS will be overlooked if >> >> >> >> we [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > So it does not warrant further study. on that we'll have to disagree. If someone wants to study, they could study it. As of now her letter says nothing new. >Here's a comedy. Yes Vitamin C (and silver) should work great against >SARS yet there will be no funding because BigPharma wont profit from >it. >Who will we blame when SARS hits and this evidence was ignored by our >"trusted" governments? The revolution will be as bloody as the virus if >not more. Big Pharma doesn't get much bigger than Roche. Roche just happens to be the biggest manufacturer of vitamins in the world. Why would they not want to make more profit from vitamins? <snip> SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > >Here's a comedy. Yes Vitamin C (and silver) should work great against > >SARS yet there will be no funding because BigPharma wont profit from [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > be the biggest manufacturer of vitamins in the world. Why would they > not want to make more profit from vitamins? A cheap non patentable cure to disease (even if it's their product) is the last thing Big Pharma wants. It's a silver dagger through the heart of their business.(diseases management). It's not the hiding of these facts that I mind it's the total corrupting of our government (if it's still ours) which really pisses me off. >> >Here's a comedy. Yes Vitamin C (and silver) should work great against >> >SARS yet there will be no funding because BigPharma wont profit from [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > facts that I mind it's the total corrupting of our government (if it's > still ours) which really pisses me off. Oh, yes. They have to be careful. They might run out of diseases and doctors and the the illuminati will have to come up with something else. > >> >Here's a comedy. Yes Vitamin C (and silver) should work great against > >> >SARS yet there will be no funding because BigPharma wont profit from [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Oh, yes. They have to be careful. They might run out of diseases and > doctors and the the illuminati will have to come up with something else. So you think it's the illuminati? >> >> >Here's a comedy. Yes Vitamin C (and silver) should work great against >> >> >SARS yet there will be no funding because BigPharma wont profit from [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > So you think it's the illuminati? Kidding. Illuminati makes as much sense as the hype and intelligence given to the pharm industry. There is one person in this group that thinks the pharms are part of a big Illuminati plan. >> >Here's a comedy. Yes Vitamin C (and silver) should work great against >> >SARS yet there will be no funding because BigPharma wont profit from [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > facts that I mind it's the total corrupting of our government (if it's > still ours) which really pisses me off. Not cheap, not curing. >> >Here's a comedy. Yes Vitamin C (and silver) should work great against >> >SARS yet there will be no funding because BigPharma wont profit from [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >facts that I mind it's the total corrupting of our government (if it's >still ours) which really pisses me off. And Big Pharma is so evil that they willingly suppress cures for diseases that they themselves (or their loved ones) get. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth > >> >Here's a comedy. Yes Vitamin C (and silver) should work great against > >> >SARS yet there will be no funding because BigPharma wont profit from [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > And Big Pharma is so evil that they willingly suppress cures for > diseases that they themselves (or their loved ones) get. and people stood by as hitler slaughtered millions of jews. folks are funny that way. >> >> >Here's a comedy. Yes Vitamin C (and silver) should work great against >> >> >SARS yet there will be no funding because BigPharma wont profit from [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >and people stood by as hitler slaughtered millions of jews. folks are >funny that way. And, as brent drags Hitler into it, under the usual Godwin rules, brent loses. Too bad, brent. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth > >> >> >Here's a comedy. Yes Vitamin C (and silver) should work great against > >> >> >SARS yet there will be no funding because BigPharma wont profit from [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > And, as brent drags Hitler into it, under the usual Godwin rules, > brent loses. Too bad, brent. for every rule there is an exception. You asked a question about human behaviour. I merely asked a similar question concerning a different topic. If you can't answer it, why do you expect me to be able to answer yours? > > >> >> >Here's a comedy. Yes Vitamin C (and silver) should work great against > > >> >> >SARS yet there will be no funding because BigPharma wont profit from [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > topic. If you can't answer it, why do you expect me to be able to > answer yours? Eejit. David's point was that Big Pharma would be acting against their own interests in suppressing cures. Apart from your idiocy/vacuity in invoking the holocaust, the people who stood by either had no interest, or were protecting their own interests. > > > >> >> >Here's a comedy. Yes Vitamin C (and silver) should work great against > > > >> >> >SARS yet there will be no funding because BigPharma wont profit from [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Eejit. David's point was that Big Pharma would be acting against their > own interests in suppressing cures. Big Pharma is into making MONEY. Thats what corporations do. Thats their function. > Apart from your idiocy/vacuity in invoking the holocaust, the people > who stood by either had no interest, or were protecting their own > interests. and that's what people did when their research pointed to cures yet was kicked back by supervisors due to lack of financial incentive to produce a product. I've heard this story many many times. >> > > >> >> >Here's a comedy. Yes Vitamin C (and silver) should work great against >> > > >> >> >SARS yet there will be no funding because BigPharma wont profit from [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >Big Pharma is into making MONEY. Thats what corporations do. Thats >their function. That must be why Roche keeps making those vitamins and supplements. No patent royalties to pay, no research to be done, money to be banked. >> Apart from your idiocy/vacuity in invoking the holocaust, the people >> who stood by either had no interest, or were protecting their own [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >kicked back by supervisors due to lack of financial incentive to >produce a product. I've heard this story many many times. Earth is visited by aliens from elsewhere in the universe who abduct humans for research. I've heard this story many times. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > >> > > >> >> >Here's a comedy. Yes Vitamin C (and silver) should work great against > >> > > >> >> >SARS yet there will be no funding because BigPharma wont profit from [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > That must be why Roche keeps making those vitamins and supplements. No > patent royalties to pay, no research to be done, money to be banked. They see the future and now they are trying to monopolize it with codex. <snip anecdotes> > >> > > >> >> >Here's a comedy. Yes Vitamin C (and silver) should work great against > >> > > >> >> >SARS yet there will be no funding because BigPharma wont profit from [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > That must be why Roche keeps making those vitamins and supplements. No > patent royalties to pay, no research to be done, money to be banked. They see the future. With CODEX they are trying to monopolize it. <snip> >> >> > > In article >> >> > > <1143429747.779411.109960@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > They see the future. With CODEX they are trying to monopolize it. Oh, come now! You too? READ the CODEX. If Codex Alimentarius were a pharmaceutical cartel plot to "monopolize the future," they would not have spent the first eleven years of their existence developing standards for cheeses. And they might have come up with more than three pages of "guidelines" about supplements in thirty years instead of wasting their time defining such things as fast frozen fish and canned whole asparagus. Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ > >> >> > > In article > >> >> > > <1143429747.779411.109960@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > defining such things as fast frozen fish and canned whole asparagus. > -- Sounds like HELL. Why would we want this abomination put upon us? Last time I looked we fought for and gained DSEA rights and everyone is happy. Except of course the folks behind codex. > > >> >> > > In article > > >> >> > > <1143429747.779411.109960@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > time I looked we fought for and gained DSEA rights and everyone is > happy. Except of course the folks behind codex. Hm. Still not read it then. > > > >> >> > > In article > > > >> >> > > <1143429747.779411.109960@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > Hm. Still not read it then. I'm waiting on mass media to print it. until then it's not *real* news. > > > > >> >> > > In article > > > > >> >> > > <1143429747.779411.109960@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > I'm waiting on mass media to print it. until then it's not *real* news. The fact that you haven't read it and still come up with a pitiful rant about it being "HELL" says it all. And what is the internet if it isn't "mass media"?: http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp > > > > > >> >> > > In article > > > > > >> >> > > <1143429747.779411.109960@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > > http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp mass media is the crap that is fed to the masses. Ever watch TV and the provacid ads inbetween the shows? Curious (not really) that we have some alarmed people on the internet speaking against codex (and representatives that want us out of the UN) yet it's a nonissue in mass media?!? The secrecy crap doesn't give me a warm and cozy feeling that codex is all about protecting me. > > > > > > >> >> > > In article > > > > > > >> >> > > <1143429747.779411.109960@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > media?!? The secrecy crap doesn't give me a warm and cozy feeling that > codex is all about protecting me. Still not read it then? It's freely available--you can break the impenetrable wall of secrecy simply by clicking on the link I provided. Then you may be qualified to have an opinion. > > > > > > > >> >> > > In article > > > > > > > >> >> > > <1143429747.779411.109960@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > impenetrable wall of secrecy simply by clicking on the link I provided. > Then you may be qualified to have an opinion. I've read parts of the meandering mess, still can't find if I can take my Co-Q10 and mega Vit C under CODEX or if it's blacklisted? Last time I checked I could not. >> Still not read it then? It's freely available--you can break the >> impenetrable wall of secrecy simply by clicking on the link I provided. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > my Co-Q10 and mega Vit C under CODEX or if it's blacklisted? Last time > I checked I could not. CODEX is a sickness and people who believe in it are VERY sick. Having an FDA is bad enough. > >> Still not read it then? It's freely available--you can break the > >> impenetrable wall of secrecy simply by clicking on the link I provided. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Having an FDA is bad enough. Amen, as the FDAs behaviour becomes known there will be an uprising. least I hope. "When the Government Fears the People, There is Liberty; When the People Fear the Government, There is Tyranny" - Thomas Jefferson >> >> Still not read it then? It's freely available--you can break the >> >> impenetrable wall of secrecy simply by clicking on the link I [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Amen, as the FDAs behaviour becomes known there will be an uprising. > least I hope. I would also hope, but it isn't in the cards. Uprising?, yes. effective, no it will be sluffed off. > "When the Government Fears the People, There is Liberty; When the > People Fear the Government, There is Tyranny" - Thomas Jefferson >> Still not read it then? It's freely available--you can break the >> impenetrable wall of secrecy simply by clicking on the link I provided. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > my Co-Q10 and mega Vit C under CODEX or if it's blacklisted? Last time > I checked I could not. Codex doesn't have a blacklist. Just what did you find in Codex the last time you "checked" whereby you "could not" take your supplements? By the way, the "meandering mess" of Codex has only three pages of guidelines applying to supplements, and those are quite concise. Have you read them? Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ >> >> >> >Here's a comedy. Yes Vitamin C (and silver) should work great against >> >> >> >SARS yet there will be no funding because BigPharma wont profit from [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >topic. If you can't answer it, why do you expect me to be able to >answer yours? I didn't ask any questions. Neither did you. Questions have question marks at the ends and are interrogative. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth > >> >> >> >Here's a comedy. Yes Vitamin C (and silver) should work great against > >> >> >> >SARS yet there will be no funding because BigPharma wont profit from [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > I didn't ask any questions. Neither did you. Questions have question > marks at the ends and are interrogative. subtle hint that I wouldn't mind some help finding this. it was meant for intelligent readers. please ignore. > > >> >> >> >Here's a comedy. Yes Vitamin C (and silver) should work great against > > >> >> >> >SARS yet there will be no funding because BigPharma wont profit from [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > subtle hint that I wouldn't mind some help finding this. it was meant > for intelligent readers. please ignore. Finding what? You appear to be replying to the wrong post, O intelligent one. I've spent all the time I can on it. Yes I read ALOT of it. Sounds like a car salesman telling us what a great deal codex is for the world. I'm looking for the positive list? Is that what it's called? I simply want to know if I can continue my Co-Q10, silver, Mega Vitamin C regime under codex? Sorry I have a job and can only spend so much time on this. > I've spent all the time I can on it. Yes I read ALOT of it. Sounds like > a car salesman telling us what a great deal codex is for the world. I'm > looking for the positive list? Is that what it's called? I simply want > to know if I can continue my Co-Q10, silver, Mega Vitamin C regime > under codex? Sorry I have a job and can only spend so much time on > this. Yes Mogwai, you can continue your regimen to your hearts content. Happy now? > > I've spent all the time I can on it. Yes I read ALOT of it. Sounds like > > a car salesman telling us what a great deal codex is for the world. I'm [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yes Mogwai, you can continue your regimen to your hearts content. Happy now? Do I need to break the law to do it? This is the joke that is codex. >>>I've spent all the time I can on it. Yes I read ALOT of it. Sounds like >>>a car salesman telling us what a great deal codex is for the world. I'm [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Do I need to break the law to do it? This is the joke that is codex. The funny thing is that Codex isn't law. There are no legal sanctions for not complying with Codex. The only possible sanctions I can imagine are economical, and mostly limited to B2B. You can either sell stuff that complies with Codex standards or spend a fortune trying to convince your customers that your product is safe, properly packaged, labelled etc. while not complying to Codex standards. And when everyone sells stuff complying to the same standard, you can directly compare prices. If your company can't compete, you're out. But that has nothing to do with the law or the Codex per se. And that would be in the best interest of buyers, being able to buy at the lowest price with the certainty the quality is the same as the more expensive stuff. > I've spent all the time I can on it. Yes I read ALOT of it. Sounds like > a car salesman telling us what a great deal codex is for the world. I'm > looking for the positive list? Is that what it's called? I simply want > to know if I can continue my Co-Q10, silver, Mega Vitamin C regime > under codex? Sorry I have a job and can only spend so much time on > this. Is there a specified MDR or RDA for CoQ10 or silver? Why would they allow it other than under control? You are asking an open question to someone who could care less what YOU want, as long as the government controls YOU. >> I've spent all the time I can on it. Yes I read ALOT of it. Sounds like >> a car salesman telling us what a great deal codex is for the world. I'm [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > You are asking an open question to someone who could care less what YOU > want, as long as the government controls YOU. There are MDR and RDA for vitamin C, but that doesn't prevent the marketing of tablets far in excess of either. Codex won't change that. Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ yep it's called the positive list. Anyone know a link to find this list? Nothing Positive About Codex "Positive List" Under the Codex Alimentarius system, everything not explicitly permitted is prohibited. That means that the system under which Codex operates uses a "Positive List". Things on a positive list are permitted. Things omitted from the positive list are forbidden. For example, if nutrients at particular doses are included on the Codex list, they are permitted. If they are not on the list or if other doses are used than what is specified on the list, they are prohibited. It is exactly as if they had been explicitly forbidden! Although those who are warning about Codex Alimentarius have focused on the nutritional aspect until now (the Vitamin and Mineral Guideline), Codex is really much more broad than just limitations on nutritional supplements (and that is bad enough!). Codex would regulate everything you put in your mouth for either nutrition (from "farm to fork"), and eventually, treatments too (i.e. homeopathics and herbal products are at risk). http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/aboutcodex/indepth/napoleonic.shtml "BrentB" <borgersbrent@yahoo.com> wrote in message Something or other, to whom no one knows because the "expert" (neophyte) has not mastered NG netiquette. > "BrentB" <borgersbrent@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > Something or other, to whom no one knows because the "expert" (neophyte) > has not mastered NG netiquette. Sheesh, I'm simply looking for the "positive list" from codex. Surely there is a list somewhere and I admit I'm having a hard time finding it. Good enough vern? Congrats on your mastering NG netiquette. >> "BrentB" <borgersbrent@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Congrats on your mastering NG netiquette. If you want to post a new or open question, not in relation to a thread, it is under "new Post". > yep it's called the positive list. Anyone know a link to find this > list? http://www.codexalimentarius.net/download/standards/10206/cxg_055e.pdf That's all Codex has to say about supplements. That's it. Three pages. There is no "positive list." > Nothing Positive About Codex "Positive List" > > Under the Codex Alimentarius system, everything not explicitly > permitted is prohibited. That means that the system under which Codex > operates uses a "Positive List". Things on a positive list are > permitted. Things omitted from the positive list are forbidden. Nonsense. First, Codex applies only to foods in international trade. Foods produces within national borders are still regulated only by that nation's standards. Foods that do not meet Codex standards can still be traded internationally with the consent of both parties, and neither the Codex Commission nor the WTO has the authority to prohibit such transactions. > For example, if nutrients at particular doses are included on the Codex > list, they are permitted. If they are not on the list or if other doses > are used than what is specified on the list, they are prohibited. It is > exactly as if they had been explicitly forbidden! Codex does not have the authority to make law or to "forbid" anything. > Although those who are warning about Codex Alimentarius have focused on > the nutritional aspect until now (the Vitamin and Mineral Guideline), [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/aboutcodex/indepth/napoleonic.shtml The principal theme of the article at this link is flat wrong. Codex is not law. It permits or forbids nothing. Neither common law nor Napoleanic law apply to Codex. Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ >And these people are frauds why? Details please. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >laugh herself shitless all the way to the bank. If you don't know about >her google. Or ask and I will for you. Oh, yes, we've heard of Clark. You can see the disgusting hag's Tijuana fraud palace at http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/clark08.htm She was charging $15,000 per week for people to go there to be cured of AIDS. Luckily it only took three weeks. >This is deep stuff people. Watch out. Not everything you read on the >internet is true or safe. In fact some of it is downright criminal Or >should be if it isn't. > >James SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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