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PeterB - 27 Jan 2006 21:23 GMT http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm Thimerosal, New study reopens debate on vaccinations Published: Sep ,8,2004 16:21 PM Special to The Wall Street Journal & Medicalnewstoday
By Tara Parker-Pope The Wall Street Journal
Just a few months after the nation's top medical adviser rejected a link between vaccines and autism, a mouse study has reignited the debate and raised new fears among parents considering vaccinations and flu shots for their kids.
For years, a cadre of parents and physicians have contended that thimerosal, an ethyl-mercury compound that has been one of the most widely used vaccine preservatives, is partly responsible for an apparent rise in autism in recent decades. But broad population studies haven't supported the claim. In May, a major report from the Institute of Medicine's Immunization Safety Review Committee rejected a link between autism and vaccines.
But today, a congressional committee will review a June study from Columbia University, which found that a preservative used in vaccines can cause autism-like symptoms in a specific strain of mice. The research raises questions about whether some people might be genetically vulnerable to the effects of thimerosal.
The study also raises questions about a new push by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to add flu shots to the immunization schedule for school-age kids. The vast majority of flu shots given still contain the preservative.
In the study, researchers administered thimerosal to four strains of young mice. Three of the mice strains were unaffected by thimerosal, but the fourth developed problems consistent with autism such as delayed growth, social withdrawal and brain abnormalities. The mice were known to have a genetic susceptibility to mercury.
Thimerosal, found in childhood vaccines, can increase the risk of autism-like damage in mice
A new study indicates that postnatal exposure to thimerosal, a mercury preservative commonly used in a number of childhood vaccines, can lead to the development of autism-like damage in autoimmune disease susceptible mice. This animal model, the first to show that the administration of low-dose ethylmercury can lead to behavioral and neurological changes in the developing brain, reinforces previous studies showing that a genetic predisposition affects risk in combination with certain environmental triggers. The study was conducted by researchers at the Jerome L. and Dawn Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory at the Mailman School of Public Health, Columbia University. Over the past 20 years, there has been a striking increase--at least ten-fold since 1985--in the number of children diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders. Genetic factors alone cannot account for this rise in prevalence. Researchers at the Mailman School, led by Dr. Mady Hornig, created an animal model to explore the relationship between thimerosal (ethylmercury) and autism, hypothesizing that the combination of genetic susceptibility and environmental exposure to mercury in childhood vaccines may cause neurotoxicity.
Cumulative mercury burden through other sources, including in utero exposures to mercury in fish or vaccines, may also lead to damage in susceptible hosts. Timing and quantity of thimerosal dosing for the mouse model were developed using the U.S. immunization schedule for children, with doses calculated for mice based on 10th percentile weight of U.S. boys at age two, four, six, and twelve months.
The researchers found the subset of autoimmune disease susceptible mice with thimerosal exposure to express many important aspects of the behavioral and neuropathologic features of autism spectrum disorders, including: Abnormal response to novel environments; Behavioral impoverishment (limited range of behaviors and decreased exploration of environment); Significant abnormalities in brain architecture, affecting areas subserving emotion and cognition; Increased brain size.
These findings have relevance for identification of autism cases relating to environmental factors; design of treatment strategies; and development of rational immunization programs. The use of thimerosal in vaccines has been reduced over the past few years, although it is still present in some influenza vaccines. Identifying the connection between genetic susceptibility and an environmental trigger for autism--in this case thimerosal exposure--is important because it may promote discovery of effective interventions for and limit exposure in a specific population, stated the lead author Dr. Mady Hornig. Because the developing brain can be exposed to toxins that are long gone by the time symptoms appear, clues gathered in these animal models can then be evaluated through prospective human birth cohorts--providing a powerful to tool to dissect the interaction between genes and the environment over time.
Citation source: Molecular Psychiatry 2004 Volume 9, advance on line publication doi:10.1038/sj.mp.4001529
For further information on this work, please contact Mady Hornig, MD, Columbia University, Mailman School of Public Health, Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032, United States of America, phone: 212-342-9036; FAX: 949-824-1229; e-mail: mh2...@columbia.edu
ARTICLE: "Neurotoxic effects of postnatal thimerosal are mouse strain-dependent"
M Hornig, D Chian, W. I. Lipkin
Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory, Mailman School of Public Health, Columbia University, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032
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Täcklô - 27 Jan 2006 21:58 GMT > By Tara Parker-Pope > The Wall Street Journal [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > debate and raised new fears among parents considering vaccinations and > flu shots for their kids. If you stop vaccinating them how will they be protected from disease? Good health in a child is no protection from communicable disease such a polio.
David Wright - 28 Jan 2006 03:57 GMT >> By Tara Parker-Pope >> The Wall Street Journal [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >If you stop vaccinating them how will they be protected from disease? Good >health in a child is no protection from communicable disease such a polio. Then anti-vac loons
1) do not believe vaccination works 2) do not realize that there is no thimerosal in any childhood vaccine any more except for some flu vaccines
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
HCN - 28 Jan 2006 21:02 GMT >>> By Tara Parker-Pope >>> The Wall Street Journal [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > 2) do not realize that there is no thimerosal in any childhood > vaccine any more except for some flu vaccines And who are encouraged and sometimes financed by personal injury lawyers. Such as is the case of the MMR scare in the UK, http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-summary.htm ... and Andy Waters of Waters and Kraus (who were unsuccessful in their ritalin lawsuit), AND the lawyers who hire the Geiers for their "expert" testimony through their MedCon company.....
AND... not to mention the less than honest "doctors" who supplement their income by scaring parents into buying their supplements and other nostrums. These include Boyd Haley and his "Altcorp", Bradstreet with his Seabuddies, and Rashid Buttar who was pushing his "transdermal chelation" but is now using IV EDTA (the same thing that an allergist named Roy Kerry used to kill a kid whose only "problem" was that he was autistic).
All of these folks have found a way to make money off of vaccination scares. It must irk them that vaccines have been one thing that has drastically REDUCED medical care spending over the last century.
> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net > These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. > "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." > -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth Carole - 31 Jan 2006 00:39 GMT > > By Tara Parker-Pope > > The Wall Street Journal [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > If you stop vaccinating them how will they be protected from disease? Good > health in a child is no protection from communicable disease such a polio. According to DrC who follows the hygienic orthopathic view, polio and other childhood diseases are treatable using hygienic methods which are suppressed. DrC says the following -
"Smallpox is a disease, fatal mainly due to the treatments given by the medical profession. Yep, my doctor killed me. The medical record and history demonstrates conclusively that the vaccine is worthless and the treatments offered commonly fatal.
"As to polio, the disease of the rich, fat, city kids, so be it. The vaccine again is worthless. Why should I believe that the refined pus of the diseased kidneys of monkeys offer me protection? Refer to the work of the physicians of 1949 who showed that polio was a summer disease caused by an overindulgence by the city kids of colas and ice cream. Yep, polio is a nutritional deficiency disease compounded to fatal consequences by an over zealous allopathic medical doctor, and a medical monopoly ready to profit from the false belief. "
So what this means is that there are cures for these childhood diseases apart from vaccination, but these are suppressed. And the deaths are due to incompetence of doctors who are trained to treat the disease the wrong way.
Carole http://www.conspiracee.com http://www.cellsalts.net
David Wright - 31 Jan 2006 04:14 GMT >> > By Tara Parker-Pope >> > The Wall Street Journal [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >childhood diseases are treatable using hygienic methods which are >suppressed. DrC says the following - Yes, DrC, that ever-reliable source who claims that the flu pandemic of 1918-1919 didn't touch Denmark -- even though Denmark's own official web site says otherwise.
>"Smallpox is a disease, fatal mainly due to the treatments given by the >medical profession. Yep, my doctor killed me. >The medical record and history demonstrates conclusively that the vaccine is >worthless and the treatments offered commonly fatal. It does nothing of the sort. It's a cinch the "orthopaths" didn't get rid of smallpox.
>"As to polio, the disease of the rich, fat, city kids, so be it. Today, polio is a disease of poor skinny kids in Asia and Africa. Eating too much sugar and ice cream, no doubt.
>So what this means is that there are cures for these childhood >diseases apart from vaccination, but these are suppressed. And the >deaths are due to incompetence of doctors who are trained to treat >the disease the wrong way. No, what this means is that DrC is a loon, and that you're a second-stage loon for believing him.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
vernon - 27 Jan 2006 22:11 GMT > http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm > Thimerosal, New study reopens debate on vaccinations So far it is a money battle between vaccine suppliers.
So called mercury problems in general are also being re-evaluated.
David Wright - 28 Jan 2006 03:58 GMT >> http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm >> Thimerosal, New study reopens debate on vaccinations > >So far it is a money battle between vaccine suppliers. What do you mean? They've all taken the thimerosal out of the standard childhood vaccines.
>So called mercury problems in general are also being re-evaluated. That's true, sort of. I mean, there was never any good evidence that thimerosal did anything bad to anyone, but that didn't stop a lot of people from screaming about it.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
vernon - 28 Jan 2006 14:29 GMT >>> http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm >>> Thimerosal, New study reopens debate on vaccinations [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > What do you mean? They've all taken the thimerosal out of the > standard childhood vaccines. True. Never underestimate the cost of trial lawyers in medical costs.
>>So called mercury problems in general are also being re-evaluated. > > That's true, sort of. I mean, there was never any good evidence that > thimerosal did anything bad to anyone, but that didn't stop a lot of > people from screaming about it. True. Never underestimate the cost of trial lawyers in medical costs.
Carole - 31 Jan 2006 00:47 GMT > >> http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm > >> Thimerosal, New study reopens debate on vaccinations [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > What do you mean? They've all taken the thimerosal out of the > standard childhood vaccines. Yes, but it shouldn't have been there in the first place if they knew what they were doing. And who is to say they don't know EXACTLY what they're doing?
THE SECRET COVENANT http://user.pa.net/~drivera/fwappa.htm / http://www.unveilingthem.com/SecretCovenant.htm "We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in food and water, and also in the air. They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn. The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds. We will promise to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will feed them more poison. The poisons will be absorbed through their skin and mouths, and they will destroy their minds and reproductive systems. From all this, their children will be born dead, and we will conceal this information. The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them, in what they drink, eat, breathe and wear. We must be ingenious in dispensing the poisons for they can see far. We will teach them that the poisons are good, with fun images and musical tones. Those they look up to will help. We will enlist them to push our poisons. They will see our products being used in film and will grow accustomed to them and will never know their true effect. When they give birth we will INJECT POISONS INTO THE BLOOD OF THEIR CHILDREN and convince them it’s for their help."
And what have they replaced it with that we find out down the road, maybe just as bad, if not worse? Can they be trusted?
I would have to say an emphatic "NO!" to that question.
Carole http://www.conspiracee.com http://www.cellsalts.net
David Wright - 31 Jan 2006 04:16 GMT >> >> http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm >> >> Thimerosal, New study reopens debate on vaccinations [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >they were doing. And who is to say they don't know EXACTLY what they're >doing? Who's to say that they do? Thimerosal is present to keep bacteria from growing in the vaccines, and it does.
>And what have they replaced it with that we find out down the road, maybe >just as bad, if not worse? >Can they be trusted? > >I would have to say an emphatic "NO!" to that question. Yes, you'd have to say that. Fortunately for the rest of us, you do not decide public health policy.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
David Wright - 28 Jan 2006 03:55 GMT >http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm >Thimerosal, New study reopens debate on vaccinations [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >By Tara Parker-Pope >The Wall Street Journal Gosh, PeterB, it sure is fortunate that we have you available to repost this 16-month-old article; otherwise, all we'd have is Jan, who reposts it frequently. Of course, it doesn't prove a damn thing except that certain mice are vulnerable to thimerosal.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
PeterB - 30 Jan 2006 21:05 GMT > >http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm > >Thimerosal, New study reopens debate on vaccinations [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > reposts it frequently. Of course, it doesn't prove a damn thing > except that certain mice are vulnerable to thimerosal. Medical science is rarely about proof. If we have evidence that thimerosal is a toxin in animal tissue, it's still relevant and needs to be considered.
PeterB
David Wright - 31 Jan 2006 04:09 GMT >> >http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm >> >Thimerosal, New study reopens debate on vaccinations [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >thimerosal is a toxin in animal tissue, it's still relevant and needs >to be considered. Fine, it's been considered and found to be unimportant, at least in the context of that frequently-reposted article. Which, as I said, there was absolutely no need for you to post yet again.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
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