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Thimerosal Study Reopens Debate on Safety of Vaccine

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PeterB - 27 Jan 2006 21:23 GMT
http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm
Thimerosal, New study reopens debate on vaccinations
Published: Sep ,8,2004 16:21 PM
Special to The Wall Street Journal & Medicalnewstoday

By Tara Parker-Pope
The Wall Street Journal

Just a few months after the nation's top medical adviser rejected a
link between vaccines and autism, a mouse study has reignited the
debate and raised new fears among parents considering vaccinations and
flu shots for their kids.

For years, a cadre of parents and physicians have contended that
thimerosal, an ethyl-mercury compound that has been one of the most
widely used vaccine preservatives, is partly responsible for an
apparent rise in autism in recent decades. But broad population studies
haven't supported the claim. In May, a major report from the Institute
of Medicine's Immunization Safety Review Committee rejected a link
between autism and vaccines.

But today, a congressional committee will review a June study from
Columbia University, which found that a preservative used in vaccines
can cause autism-like symptoms in a specific strain of mice. The
research raises questions about whether some people might be
genetically vulnerable to the effects of thimerosal.

The study also raises questions about a new push by the Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention to add flu shots to the immunization
schedule for school-age kids. The vast majority of flu shots given
still contain the preservative.

In the study, researchers administered thimerosal to four strains of
young mice. Three of the mice strains were unaffected by thimerosal,
but the fourth developed problems consistent with autism such as
delayed growth, social withdrawal and brain abnormalities. The mice
were known to have a genetic susceptibility to mercury.

Thimerosal, found in childhood vaccines, can increase the risk of
autism-like damage in mice

A new study indicates that postnatal exposure to thimerosal, a mercury
preservative commonly used in a number of childhood vaccines, can lead
to the development of autism-like damage in autoimmune disease
susceptible mice. This animal model, the first to show that the
administration of low-dose ethylmercury can lead to behavioral and
neurological changes in the developing brain, reinforces previous
studies showing that a genetic
predisposition affects risk in combination with certain environmental
triggers. The study was conducted by researchers at the Jerome L. and
Dawn Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory at the Mailman School of
Public Health, Columbia University. Over the past 20 years, there has
been a striking increase--at least ten-fold since 1985--in the number
of children diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders. Genetic factors
alone cannot account for this rise in prevalence. Researchers at the
Mailman School, led by Dr. Mady Hornig, created an animal model to
explore the relationship between thimerosal (ethylmercury) and autism,
hypothesizing that the combination of genetic susceptibility and
environmental exposure to mercury in childhood vaccines may cause
neurotoxicity.

Cumulative mercury burden through other sources, including in utero
exposures to mercury in fish or vaccines, may also lead to damage in
susceptible hosts. Timing and quantity of thimerosal dosing for the
mouse model were developed using the U.S. immunization schedule for
children, with doses calculated for mice based on 10th percentile
weight of U.S. boys at age two, four, six, and twelve months.

The researchers found the subset of autoimmune disease susceptible mice
with thimerosal exposure to express many important aspects of the
behavioral and neuropathologic features of autism spectrum disorders,
including:  Abnormal response to novel environments; Behavioral
impoverishment (limited range of behaviors and decreased exploration of
environment); Significant abnormalities in brain architecture,
affecting areas subserving emotion and cognition; Increased brain size.

These findings have relevance for identification of autism cases
relating to environmental factors; design of treatment strategies; and
development of rational immunization programs. The use of thimerosal in
vaccines has been reduced over the past few years, although it is still
present in some influenza vaccines. Identifying the connection between
genetic susceptibility and an environmental trigger for autism--in this
case thimerosal exposure--is important because it may promote discovery
of effective interventions for and limit exposure in a specific
population, stated the lead author Dr. Mady Hornig. Because the
developing brain can be exposed to toxins that are long gone by the
time symptoms appear, clues gathered in these animal models can then be
evaluated through prospective human birth cohorts--providing a powerful
to tool to dissect the interaction between genes and the environment
over time.

Citation source: Molecular Psychiatry 2004 Volume 9, advance on line
publication doi:10.1038/sj.mp.4001529

For further information on this work, please contact Mady Hornig, MD,
Columbia University, Mailman School of Public Health, Greene Infectious
Disease Laboratory, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032, United
States of America, phone: 212-342-9036; FAX: 949-824-1229; e-mail:
mh2...@columbia.edu

ARTICLE: "Neurotoxic effects of postnatal thimerosal are mouse
strain-dependent"

M Hornig, D Chian, W. I. Lipkin

Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory, Mailman School of Public Health,
Columbia University, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032

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Täcklô - 27 Jan 2006 21:58 GMT
> By Tara Parker-Pope
> The Wall Street Journal
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> debate and raised new fears among parents considering vaccinations and
> flu shots for their kids.

If you stop vaccinating them how will they be protected from disease? Good
health in a child is no protection from communicable disease such a polio.
David Wright - 28 Jan 2006 03:57 GMT
>> By Tara Parker-Pope
>> The Wall Street Journal
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>If you stop vaccinating them how will they be protected from disease? Good
>health in a child is no protection from communicable disease such a polio.

Then anti-vac loons

1) do not believe vaccination works
2) do not realize that there is no thimerosal in any childhood
  vaccine any more except for some flu vaccines

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
HCN - 28 Jan 2006 21:02 GMT
>>> By Tara Parker-Pope
>>> The Wall Street Journal
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> 2) do not realize that there is no thimerosal in any childhood
>   vaccine any more except for some flu vaccines

And who are encouraged and sometimes financed by personal injury lawyers.
Such as is the case of the MMR scare in the UK,
http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-summary.htm ... and Andy Waters of Waters
and Kraus  (who were unsuccessful in their ritalin lawsuit), AND the lawyers
who hire the Geiers for their "expert" testimony through their MedCon
company.....

AND... not to mention the less than honest "doctors" who supplement their
income by scaring parents into buying their supplements and other nostrums.
These include Boyd Haley and his "Altcorp", Bradstreet with his Seabuddies,
and Rashid Buttar who was pushing his "transdermal chelation" but is now
using IV EDTA (the same thing that an allergist named Roy Kerry used to kill
a kid whose only "problem" was that he was autistic).

All of these folks have found a way to make money off of vaccination scares.
It must irk them that vaccines have been one thing that has drastically
REDUCED medical care spending over the last century.

>  -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
>     These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
>     "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
>                                 -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
Carole - 31 Jan 2006 00:39 GMT
> > By Tara Parker-Pope
> > The Wall Street Journal
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> If you stop vaccinating them how will they be protected from disease? Good
> health in a child is no protection from communicable disease such a polio.

According to DrC who follows the hygienic orthopathic view, polio and other
childhood diseases are treatable using hygienic methods which are
suppressed.  DrC says the following -

"Smallpox is a disease, fatal mainly due to the treatments given by the
medical
profession.  Yep, my doctor killed me.
The medical record and history demonstrates conclusively that the vaccine is
worthless and the treatments offered commonly fatal.

"As to polio, the disease of the rich, fat, city kids, so be it.  The
vaccine
again is worthless.  Why should I believe that the refined pus of the
diseased
kidneys of monkeys offer me protection?  Refer to the work of the physicians
of
1949 who showed that polio was a summer disease caused by an overindulgence
by
the city kids of colas and ice cream.  Yep, polio is a nutritional
deficiency
disease compounded to fatal consequences by an over  zealous allopathic
medical
doctor, and a medical monopoly ready to profit from the false belief. "

So what this means is that there are cures for these childhood diseases
apart from vaccination, but these are suppressed. And the deaths are due to
incompetence of doctors who are trained to treat the disease the wrong way.

Carole
http://www.conspiracee.com
http://www.cellsalts.net
David Wright - 31 Jan 2006 04:14 GMT
>> > By Tara Parker-Pope
>> > The Wall Street Journal
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>childhood diseases are treatable using hygienic methods which are
>suppressed.  DrC says the following -

Yes, DrC, that ever-reliable source who claims that the flu pandemic
of 1918-1919 didn't touch Denmark -- even though Denmark's own
official web site says otherwise.

>"Smallpox is a disease, fatal mainly due to the treatments given by the
>medical profession.  Yep, my doctor killed me.
>The medical record and history demonstrates conclusively that the vaccine is
>worthless and the treatments offered commonly fatal.

It does nothing of the sort.  It's a cinch the "orthopaths" didn't get
rid of smallpox.

>"As to polio, the disease of the rich, fat, city kids, so be it.

Today, polio is a disease of poor skinny kids in Asia and Africa.
Eating too much sugar and ice cream, no doubt.

>So what this means is that there are cures for these childhood
>diseases apart from vaccination, but these are suppressed. And the
>deaths are due to incompetence of doctors who are trained to treat
>the disease the wrong way.

No, what this means is that DrC is a loon, and that you're a
second-stage loon for believing him.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
vernon - 27 Jan 2006 22:11 GMT
> http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm
> Thimerosal, New study reopens debate on vaccinations

So far it is a money battle between vaccine suppliers.

So called mercury problems in general are also being re-evaluated.
David Wright - 28 Jan 2006 03:58 GMT
>> http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm
>> Thimerosal, New study reopens debate on vaccinations
>
>So far it is a money battle between vaccine suppliers.

What do you mean?  They've all taken the thimerosal out of the
standard childhood vaccines.

>So called mercury problems in general are also being re-evaluated.

That's true, sort of.  I mean, there was never any good evidence that
thimerosal did anything bad to anyone, but that didn't stop a lot of
people from screaming about it.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
vernon - 28 Jan 2006 14:29 GMT
>>> http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm
>>> Thimerosal, New study reopens debate on vaccinations
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> What do you mean?  They've all taken the thimerosal out of the
> standard childhood vaccines.

True.  Never underestimate the cost of trial lawyers in medical costs.

>>So called mercury problems in general are also being re-evaluated.
>
> That's true, sort of.  I mean, there was never any good evidence that
> thimerosal did anything bad to anyone, but that didn't stop a lot of
> people from screaming about it.

True.  Never underestimate the cost of trial lawyers in medical costs.
Carole - 31 Jan 2006 00:47 GMT
> >> http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm
> >> Thimerosal, New study reopens debate on vaccinations
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> What do you mean?  They've all taken the thimerosal out of the
> standard childhood vaccines.

Yes, but it shouldn't have been there in the first place if they knew what
they were doing. And who is to say they don't know EXACTLY what they're
doing?

THE SECRET COVENANT
http://user.pa.net/~drivera/fwappa.htm  /
http://www.unveilingthem.com/SecretCovenant.htm
"We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in food and
water, and also in the air.
They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn.
The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds. We will promise to find
a cure from our many fronts, yet we will feed them more poison.
The poisons will be absorbed through their skin and mouths, and they will
destroy their minds and reproductive systems.
From all this, their children will be born dead, and we will conceal this
information.
The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them, in what they
drink, eat, breathe and wear.
We must be ingenious in dispensing the poisons for they can see far.
We will teach them that the poisons are good, with fun images and musical
tones.
Those they look up to will help. We will enlist them to push our poisons.
They will see our products being used in film and will grow accustomed to
them and will never know their true effect.
When they give birth we will INJECT POISONS INTO THE BLOOD OF THEIR CHILDREN
and convince them it’s for their help."

And what have they replaced it with that we find out down the road, maybe
just as bad, if not worse?
Can they be trusted?

I would have to say an emphatic "NO!" to that question.

Carole
http://www.conspiracee.com
http://www.cellsalts.net
David Wright - 31 Jan 2006 04:16 GMT
>> >> http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm
>> >> Thimerosal, New study reopens debate on vaccinations
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>they were doing. And who is to say they don't know EXACTLY what they're
>doing?

Who's to say that they do?  Thimerosal is present to keep bacteria
from growing in the vaccines, and it does.

>And what have they replaced it with that we find out down the road, maybe
>just as bad, if not worse?
>Can they be trusted?
>
>I would have to say an emphatic "NO!" to that question.

Yes, you'd have to say that.  Fortunately for the rest of us, you do
not decide public health policy.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
David Wright - 28 Jan 2006 03:55 GMT
>http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm
>Thimerosal, New study reopens debate on vaccinations
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>By Tara Parker-Pope
>The Wall Street Journal

Gosh, PeterB, it sure is fortunate that we have you available to
repost this 16-month-old article; otherwise, all we'd have is Jan, who
reposts it frequently.  Of course, it doesn't prove a damn thing
except that certain mice are vulnerable to thimerosal.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
PeterB - 30 Jan 2006 21:05 GMT
> >http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm
> >Thimerosal, New study reopens debate on vaccinations
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> reposts it frequently.  Of course, it doesn't prove a damn thing
> except that certain mice are vulnerable to thimerosal.

Medical science is rarely about proof.  If we have evidence that
thimerosal is a toxin in animal tissue, it's still relevant and needs
to be considered.  

PeterB
David Wright - 31 Jan 2006 04:09 GMT
>> >http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm
>> >Thimerosal, New study reopens debate on vaccinations
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>thimerosal is a toxin in animal tissue, it's still relevant and needs
>to be considered.  

Fine, it's been considered and found to be unimportant, at least in
the context of that frequently-reposted article.  Which, as I said,
there was absolutely no need for you to post yet again.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
 
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