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LadyLollipop - 31 Oct 2005 06:12 GMT

"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote in message
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> "LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>>"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>news:Aw69f.27163$ol.833@fe08.lga...
>>> LadyLollipop wrote:
>>>> "Jack" <none@none.non> wrote in message
>>>> news:t9a8m1dtre2ttubf3mdq2pg6t6kl9l16lm@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>>On 29 Oct 2005 15:30:51 -0700, "cathyb" <cathybeesley@optusnet.com.au>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>oh, your passive aggressive innuendos have wounded me so, I will not
>>>>>post again on Usenet.
>>>>>
>>>>>those darn white racists are everywhere, we need to actively
>>>>>discriminate against them.. hey, wait a minute...
>>>>
>>>> You need to understand, cathyb is an atheist.
>>>
>>> What has religion got to do with it?
>>
>>Newflash:
>>
>>Atheist is NOT religion.
>>>
>>>> She and ALL of the *gang* seems to think being a racist is the worst
>>>> thing ever. NOT that I think it is right, while they think as they do,
>>>> they think LYING is A OK and EVERY ONE of them do it.
>>>>
>>>> They do NOT believe in GOD, but they use him when it is convenience, as
>>>> in for a whipping stick for those who do.
>>>
>>> What about those of us who are Jewish?
>>
>>YOU are even worse!
>
> This is from someone who says that she is not a bigot! "YOU are even
> worse" she says in response to someone who asks "What about those of
> us who are Jewish?".

Newsflash:

Telling the truth is not a bigot.

> At least she didn't say "YOU people ...".
>
>>[ ]
>>>
>>>> Cathyb does NOT believe in hell, but if she stated, if she did, she
>>>> would
>>>> take delight is seeing all those whose health choices are different
>>>> than
>>>> hers, burn in hell.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about you, but to me this is far worse than being a
>>>> racist.
>>>
>>> Good thing you do not set standards.
>>
>>Actually I HAVE some.
>
> And thankfully most people's standards are higher.

You certainly have NERVE, and NO standards.

http://tinyurl.com/dhkvw

http://tinyurl.com/c8mrc

You wrote:

I can't speak for Mark, but I have rarely had a need to apologise.

> That doesn't mean that people haven't asked me to apologise, but
> someone asking doesn't necessarily create a need. They would have to
> provide evidence that there was something to apologise for.

That's been done over and over

http://tinyurl.com/dcgnh

Post # 20

ot. Kettle. Black. Why do you make assertions about Hulda Clark's

>>zapper when you yourself have admitted that you haven't studied it?

>Say what?????
>WOW!!!
>I made NO assertions whatsoever about the zappicator, NOT zapper.
>UNTIL I studied it.
>Your attempt at diversion is noted along with you being totally confused.
>Now that you have made that claim, do prove it. Do posts where I made
>assertions about Hulda Clark's zappicator, NOT zapper.
>>> One does not say something is a fact when one has no idea what the facts
>>are.
>THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT MARK DID.
>Jan

Could there ever be a better example of fundamentalist, concrete
thinking than this? Someone jokingly uses the word "zappicator" to
refer to Hulda's magic cure-all machine. Because the words "zapper"
and "zappicator" have different spellings, Jan assumes that they must
refer to different objects. This is the same person who keeps telling
us that "quacksalver" and "quicksilver" mean the same thing because
they share some letters.

We need to find out what Jan's brain is made of. The material could be
used to replace depleted uranium in anti-tank shells.

To which I replied:

>Subject: Re: Mark S. Probert from Merrick, NY ... 10th Judicial District
>From: Peter Bowditch myfirstn...@ratbags.com

Ahhhhhhhhh. Along comes Peter to try and cover both Mark and Orac.

<snip belittling>

> Someone jokingly uses the word "zappicator" to
>refer to Hulda's magic cure-all machine

Ummm, NOT.

From: Peter Moran (mori...@gil.com.au)
Subject: Re: What are Skeptics? (1/2)
View: Complete Thread (10 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2004-08-26 22:12:47 PST

"Jan" <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote in message

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> >Subject: Re: What are Skeptics? (1/2)

<snip something or other>

Jan, at the risk of being "on topic" for this newsgroup, what do you think
of Hulda's "Zappicator"? Are you using one? If not, why not?

Peter Moran

Next?

>Because the words "zapper"
>and "zappicator" have different spellings, Jan assumes that they must
>refer to different objects

Correct, I have never heard of the zappicator, so I looked it up.

Perhaps you should also??

<snip insults and belittling>

Care to correct your mistake????

> Someone jokingly uses the word "zappicator" to
>refer to Hulda's magic cure-all machine.

Matter of fact make that TWO mistakes.

Hulda has NEVER claimed the zapper is a magic cure-all machine.

You correction and apology await.

Jan

Funny, I have seen no correction or apology.

NO standards.

Do show us where Dr. Haley's fans said he has apologized!

Do show us Where Peter Moran was accused of LYING once for not spelling
"syncrometer" correctly.

Just WHERE was it claimed that you were condoning Dr. Patel's behavior?????

Just WHERE did anyone say you were *protecting* him of it was some kind of
cover up?????

Just WHERE has anyone one said there was absolute safety in alternative??

Just WHERE has anyone demanded evidence that anyone said or believed that
liver flukes cause cancer?

Just WHERE has anyone one *said* that liver flukes cause cancer on the
newsgroup as of the date you changed the wording?

Just WHO is a strong supporter of cancer quack Hulda Clark?

MANY OF THESE LIES ARE ON PETER'S WEBSITES!!!!

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Do f.ck off

f.ck off and get some ACTUAL EXPERIENCE

"f.cking moron"

f.ck off and die

you should shut the f.ck up

f.cking what?",

f.ck off, Rod.

f.ck off, Tim

FUCKWIT

f.ck yourself with a blunt echidna".

f.ck me dead!", springs to mind.

This is f.cking priceless!!!

What the f.ck are you talking about?

Peter Bowditch <pet...@ratbags.com> writes:

>For those who came in late, I was accused of lying for pointing out to
>Jan that words have meanings and that the word "procedure" has a
>meaning in a medical context. The procedure that was to be performed
>on Ben Kolb had been done thousands of times before and has been done
>many times since. The practice of inadequate labelling which led to
>his death is something which several doctors and nurses said that they
>had never seen. When some television reporter got confused about the
>words "procedure" and "practice" and asked someone if the "procedure"
>was still used, that person said "yes". Cutting off the wrong leg,
>that old favourite of anti-medicine people, calls into question the
>practice of documenting which leg to cut off but does not in any way
>invalidate the surgical procedure of amputation.

No Peter, you were accused of deliberate wordplay to deny the conclusions of
the programme.
Whether the reporter used the words procedure or practice is quite
irrelevant,
the programme made it quite clear what the problem was.

Remember this
Re: Lying topic titles
From: J BainSI
To: misc.health.alternative
Date: 28/02/2002

Peter Bowditch <pet...@ratbags.com> writes:

>Yet again I am accused of lying by "twisting" the Ben Kolb story.
>Here, once again, are my comments about this tragedy.
>1) That Ben Kolb died is a tragedy. He died because of a mistake
>arising from a dangerous practice of decanting chemicals into unmarked
>containers.

Quite correct, but nothing to do with the issue. The point is that there
is
no procedure in place to ensure that this does not happen again. The
particular hospital involved has instituted procedures, but experts have
said
that this procedure is still being carried out in other hospitals. It is
unlikely to change until a similar accident happens at those other
hospitals.
Or Mark P is called in to point out the error of their ways<g>

That is the point. CM does not learn by it's mistakes, only individual
practitioners do.
The point was made that the airline business is tightly regulated so that
this
type of accident is not repeated. No such system exists in CM or AM. But
let's put CM's house in order first.

>2)
>3)
>4)
>5)
>6)
>7)

All irrelevant to the point of the article.

>I am still waiting for jan to succinctly state where I "lied", without
>discussing semantics. I am also still waiting for a simple "yes" or
>"no" answer to the question of whether she believes that Tim Bolen
>tells lies.

I believe that Tim 'tells lies', just as I believe you 'tell lies'
The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth is required here.
You deliberately omitted the point of the article above in an attempt to
deceive your readers.
You succeeded with one of the Marks.
Do you not consider deliberate deception as lying?
Or is it OK if it bolsters your beliefs and helps persuade others that your
beliefs are the True Beliefs?
So, I would put you and Tim in the same category.
That makes you a 'liar'.
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cathyb - 31 Oct 2005 07:08 GMT

<snip>

> >>> What about those of us who are Jewish?
> >>
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>
> Telling the truth is not a bigot.

And that is not a coherent sentence.

However Lollipop appears to be saying that her statements that lying
is second nature to Jews, and that Jews are even worse than atheists
are truths, not flaming bigotries.

Jesus (or "Jew-boy" as Jan might call him, as she has another of his
religion) must be so proud of having followers of this calibre.

Cathy

<snip Lollicrap>

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Rich.@. - 31 Oct 2005 07:20 GMT

><snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>And that is not a coherent sentence.

So it must have been composed by Jan Drew. No plagiarism there.

> However Lollipop appears to be saying that her statements that lying
>is second nature to Jews, and that Jews are even worse than atheists
>are truths, not flaming bigotries.

Jan Drew thinks that the Jews have taken over this newsgroup. Since
she thinks that is the truth it is not bigotry.

Adolph Hitler thought that the Jews were taking over Germany. Since
that was the truth to Hitler I guess Jan does not think that Hitler
was a bigot either.

The difference is that Hitler had power and did something quite evil
to the Jews. All Jan can do is spout her bigotry and antisemitism
while saying it is the truth.

>Jesus (or "Jew-boy" as Jan might call him, as she has another of his
>religion) must be so proud of having followers of this calibre.

Actually Jan was asked whether Jesus is/was a Jew Boy and she said
yes. She said that Jesus was there when God wrote the Ten Commandments
which is a good trick since he had not yet been born. Once again Jan
Drew, biblical scholar extraordinaire, demonstrates that she is NOT a
devout Christian but instead a despicable flaming bigot who believes
that saying something is true makes it so.

Aloha,

Rich

>Cathy
>
><snip Lollicrap>

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Mark Probert - 31 Oct 2005 16:00 GMT

Nothing worth keeping.

This thread is NOT about Me.

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