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AIDS Drug Maker to Pay $704M in Settlement

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Roman Bystrianyk - 17 Oct 2005 23:34 GMT
MARK SHERMAN, "AIDS Drug Maker to Pay $704M in Settlement", ABC News,
October 17, 2005,
Link: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=1223329

The Swiss manufacturer of the AIDS treatment drug Serostim agreed
Monday to pay $704 million and plead guilty to scheming to boost
sagging sales by, among other things, offering kickbacks to doctors to
write prescriptions.

As part of the plea, Serono Laboratories will be barred from
participating in federal health programs for five years and will pay a
criminal fine of $136.9 million and civil penalties of $567 million.

The amount is the third largest payment for health care fraud, Attorney
General Alberto Gonzales said in announcing the plea agreement. "Serono
put its desire to sell more Serostim above the interests of patients
and the public," Gonzales said at a news conference at the Justice
Department.

Thomas G. Gunning, Serono's vice president and general counsel in the
United States, said, "This settlement concludes a four-year government
investigation into commercial practices related to Serostim, and we are
pleased to put the matter behind us. The activities described in the
settlement were confined to one unit in our U.S. operations and cover a
brief period in our history." The company's U.S. headquarters is in
Rockland, Mass., a half hour south of Boston.

Serostim, which contains the human growth hormone Somatropin, was
approved by the Food and Drug Administration in 1996 to treat AIDS
wasting, an often-fatal condition involving severe weight loss.

At about the time the FDA approved the drug, protease inhibitor drugs
came on the market. Those drugs, when used in combinations or
"cocktails," sharply curtailed the AIDS virus in patients, making them
less prone to AIDS wasting.

Serono offered doctors free trips to the south of France in return for
agreeing to write up to 30 new prescriptions for Serostim, which cost
$21,000 for a 12-week treatment regimen, said Michael Sullivan, the
U.S. Attorney in Boston.

The company also conspired to introduce a new test for AIDS wasting,
despite not having FDA approval. The test diagnosed AIDS wasting even
in the absence of weight loss, Sullivan said.

He estimated that 85 percent of Serostim prescriptions were
unnecessary.

Five former Serono executives also have been indicted, he said.

The federal investigation grew out of whistleblower lawsuits filed by
U.S. employees of Serono. Four people will split $51 million as their
share of the settlement, which is allowed under the federal False
Claims Act, Sullivan said.

Monday's settlement is the latest in a series of whistleblower claims
that have resulted in more than $3 billion in payments from drug
companies in recent years.

Last month, GlaxoSmithKline PLC said it will pay $150 million to settle
claims it overcharged the government for two anti-nausea drugs

Federal and state officials are looking into 150 price and marketing
fraud cases involving more than 500 drugs, according to Peter Keisler,
assistant attorney general in charge of the Justice Department's Civil
Division.
Gary Stein - 18 Oct 2005 01:31 GMT
It's a completely misleading statement to say that Serostim is an AIDS
treatment drug. It is not an ARV medication. Serostim is the only growth
hormone approved by the US Food and Drug Administration
for the treatment of AIDS wasting or cachexia.

Gary Stein

> MARK SHERMAN, "AIDS Drug Maker to Pay $704M in Settlement", ABC News,
> October 17, 2005,
[quoted text clipped - 62 lines]
> assistant attorney general in charge of the Justice Department's Civil
> Division.
ritameetr - 18 Oct 2005 14:09 GMT
Just one more unscrupulous drug manufacturer in the sea of many corrupt
unethical ones pushing their wares to doctors, bribing them with
kickbacks, trips, and one could only imagine what else to sell their
toxic drugs. Just think how many deaths could have been prevented if
these legalized drug pushers were stopped in their tracks.  The names
of these doctors should be made public, their a.ses should be hauled
off to jail where perhaps they can get a good backside reeming and end
up taking the aids drugs they are pushing for their large fat profits.
PeterB - 18 Oct 2005 20:55 GMT
> Just one more unscrupulous drug manufacturer in the sea of many corrupt
> unethical ones pushing their wares to doctors, bribing them with
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> off to jail where perhaps they can get a good backside reeming and end
> up taking the aids drugs they are pushing for their large fat profits.

The pharma bloggers will accuse you of threatening to derail modern
medicine, throwing us back into the dark ages.  They pretend we aren't
already there.  

Well said.

PeterB
David Wright - 20 Oct 2005 05:09 GMT
>Just one more unscrupulous drug manufacturer in the sea of many corrupt
>unethical ones pushing their wares to doctors, bribing them with
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>off to jail where perhaps they can get a good backside reeming and end
>up taking the aids drugs they are pushing for their large fat profits.

I'm glad you didn't actually bother to read the article, which didn't
say the drug didn't work, and also didn't say that it had caused any
fatalities.

(I'd be just fine with prosecuting the doctors who took the kickbacks,
however.)

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
SJ Doc - 20 Oct 2005 10:32 GMT
>(I'd be just fine with prosecuting the doctors who took the kickbacks,
>however.)

That raises an interesting issue.  Let's say that a manufacturer of
vinyl siding offers a contractor membership at a fancy country club
if he will successfully recommend the purchase of that manufacturer's
products to a certain number of clients whose homes and businesses
the contractor is remodeling.  There's no question that the perquisite
is monetarily valuable (membership in a country club is not only
expensive as hell, but it offers the contractor opportunities to
expand his own business contacts and thereby realize monetary
profits far greater than any direct kickback amount might entail).  

But is it either criminal or unethical for the manufacturer to offer
this incentive, or for the contractor to accept it?  

Let's say I'm treating a patient with chronic HIV-1 infection, and
he's developed wasting related either to the infection itself or to
his antiretroviral (ARV) drug regimen.  What are my therapeutic
choices with regard to the preservation of the patient's lean body
mass?  After nonpharmacological management options have been
undertaken and proven unsatisfactory, I have recourse to appetite
stimulants - which increase calorie load, but do nothing to preserve
or increase lean muscle mass - androgenic hormones (such as ox-
androlone), and somatropin produced via recombinant DNA tech-
nology (which is the product of the manufacturer currently under
discussion).  Other agents are under development and look quite
promising, but this is pretty much what is available to the treating
physician.  

Given that there are some pretty nasty potential adverse effects
associated with the androgenic hormones, I can write a very
convincing argument in the patient's chart to support a decision
to go with a three-month trial of somatropin therapy, can't I?
The argument gets even stronger if I've already trialed that patient
on oxandrolone tablets or nandrolone injections and shown
either failure of response or adverse side effects.  If I've got
a reasonably busy infectious disease practice, and I'm seeing
a lot of patients with HIV-related wasting, I could rather easily
achieve the "target" number of patients treated with Serostim and
"win" that trip to the medical conference in Cannes (ghod forbid
I should ever desire to spend time in the presence of Frenchmen).  

So let's say that I'm one of those doctors you're so hot to prosecute
for having taken "kickbacks" in this way.  Just how the hell do you
justify my indictment, prosecution, or conviction, you stupid, self-
righteous sonofabitch?

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Everything is very simple in war, but the simplest thing
is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce
a friction, which no man can imagine exactly who has not
seen war.

         -- Carl von Clausewitz, *Vom Krieg* (1832)
David Wright - 21 Oct 2005 04:16 GMT
>>(I'd be just fine with prosecuting the doctors who took the kickbacks,
>>however.)
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
>justify my indictment, prosecution, or conviction, you stupid, self-
>righteous sonofabitch?

My goodness, SJDoc, you sure do know how to make friends wherever you
go, don't you?  First it was insulting surgeons, now this.

If I recall the original article correctly, it said that 85% of the
prescriptions written for the drug (Serostim) in question were
unnecessary.  Would those prescriptions have been written without the
kickbacks?  Do you insist on kickbacks for every prescription YOU
write?  A course of treatment on this stuff is something like
$21,000.  Multiply that by a lot of prescriptions and it's big money,
and it's fraud, including insurance fraud.

I guess I had some crazy notion that you were doing your job if you
wrote the prescription the patient needed, without being paid under
the table to do it.  If you want to go install aluminum siding
instead, be my guest.  Maybe the manufacturer will provide you with
kickbacks that are even legal.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
SJ Doc - 21 Oct 2005 19:16 GMT
>My goodness, SJDoc, you sure do know how to make friends  
>wherever you go, don't you?  First it was insulting surgeons, now this.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>instead, be my guest.  Maybe the manufacturer will provide you with
>kickbacks that are even legal.

Insulting surgeons is an inescapable part of dealing with them.
The silly bastards make Zaphod Beeblebrox look like the soul
and saint of self-effacement, and take offense so readily that there's
no way to avoid pissing them off.  One of the many nice things
about being a primary care grunt is that - IRL - *they* have to
behave cordially to *me* no matter how deep is the contempt
in which they hold any colleague who doesn't approach every
patient with a Number 10 blade and a set of retractors.  I'm
part of their referral base, and I can just as easily call upon one
or another of their competitors if given sufficient cause.  

The issue of "necessity" with regard to the use of somatropin
in the management of HIV-related wasting is far more complex
than the writers of the original article either address or *wish*
to address.  And if you are willing to take the naked assertion
of prosecuting U.S. Attorney Michael Sullivan (whom the writer
of the article described as estimating "...that 85 percent of
Serostim prescriptions were unnecessary") as accepted and in-
disputable fact, then you're about as complete an idiot as it's
possible to get.  

As for my own relationship with the various pharmaceuticals
manufacturers, bear in mind that I'm a primary care grunt.  The  
members of PhRMA don't bother much with us.  They want to
influence specialist "key opinion leaders" and "high writers" in
the various therapeutic categories, and the closest I've been to
these guys has been participation in open-label Phase IV proof
of efficacy studies in which the limit of their "kickback" to my
practice was the provision of study medication that I conveyed
gratis to my patients (all of whom were without pharmaceuticals
benefits, and were having trouble paying for their prescriptions
to begin with) who had consented to be enrolled in the studies.  

In fact, the access to approved medications for my patients
was the principle reason for my participation in the studies.  As
I recall, I was already diverting samples of the same meds to the
maintenance of their treatment anyway.  I've always been entirely
shameless about making sure that my patients get what they need.

Did you know that generic drugs are even cheaper if the physician
just buys big, honking stock bottles and dispenses them at cost?  
The pharmacies *love* generic drug prescriptions because they
make a helluva lot more profit (higher mark-up) on dispensing
generics than they do when filling scrips for branded products.  

The thing that bothers me professionally about Serono's conduct
in their relations with these infectious diseases (ID) specialists is
their provision of computer software to encourage these practi-
tioners to diagnose HIV-related wasting on bases that may not
have met objective standards of clinical validity.  That's what the
writer of the original article meant when he spoke of "a new test
for AIDS wasting."  I'd like to look into that little matter a bit
myself.  

Whether or not the computer algorithm was complaint with FDA
labeling is of no importance whatsoever from a quality-of-care
perspective, however.  The FDA's restrictions superbly evoke
Jefferson's observation that "If we were directed from Washington
when to sow and when to reap, we would soon want bread."  
The FDA is a federal bureaucracy, not a gathering of brilliant
minds or even particularly conscientious public servants.  If your
doctor relies upon the FDA for every decision he/she makes,
he/she is *not* conducting your care according to accepted
"best clinical practices," and you should seek other physicians'
opinions before entrusting yourself uncritically to that doctor's
care.  

As for Mr. Sullivan's (again, nakedly unsupported) assertion
that "The test diagnosed AIDS wasting even in the absence of
weight loss," be advised that the earliest phases of HIV-related
wasting do *not* necessarily involve the loss of weight but rather
certain of changes in body composition.  One of the common
problems with appetite stimulants used in the address of HIV-
related wasting is that frequently one sees preservation of weight
through the addition of adipose tissue while functional (lean
muscle) body mass - a reflection also of the patient's capacity
for maintaining immunologic reconstitution - continues to waste.  

See http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSite.jsp?page=kb-04-01-08 
for an explanation of the condition designed for the educated
and interested layman.

The 10% weight loss mentioned as one of the diagnostic criteria
is generally seen only rather late in the development of the
condition, at a point where the patient's relative risk of morbidity
and mortality has already risen to levels that most experienced
physicians would consider worrisome. It is generally much better
to diagnose and effectively treat HIV-related wasting *before*
the patient begins to demonstrate absolute weight loss, and thereby
work to forestall the sorts of debilitation and opportunistic secon-
dary infections commonly associated with this consequence of
chronic HIV-1 infection.  

Of course, neither Mr. Sullivan nor the writer of this article
gives a greasy goddam about that.  

Do you?  

------------------
Political language -- and with variations this is true of all
political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists -- is
designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable,
and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.

    -- George Orwell (Eric Blair)
        "Politics and the English Language" (1946)
Peter Panda - 22 Oct 2005 11:01 GMT
>>If I recall the original article correctly, it said that 85% of the
>>prescriptions written for the drug (Serostim) in question were
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>$21,000.  Multiply that by a lot of prescriptions and it's big money,
>>and it's fraud, including insurance fraud.

One thing to consider is that AIDS therapy depends on testing every
conceivable drug available to see if it enhances the overall treatment.
Why should testosterone be a therapy, but it was tested and had
beneficial results and some may not have beneficial results and then
deemed "unnecessary" because they didn't enhance treatment.  The AIDS
patients themselves are the guinea pigs, the existing drug may work or
may not work, but an experimental treatment can't be considered
"unnecessary."  And yes, I hate greedy pharmaceutical companies and
they are getting rich of it, but that's the way it is until Hugo Chávez
and Robert Mugabe form an alliance to invent free AIDS drugs.

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Posterity will never hear of you.  You will be lifted clean out from
the stream of history.  We shall turn you into gas and pour you out
into the stratosphere.  Nothing will remain of you: not a name in a
register, not a memory in a living brain.  You will be annihilated
in the past as well as in the future.  You will never have existed."
-- 1984
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SJ Doc - 22 Oct 2005 18:32 GMT
>>>If I recall the original article correctly, it said that 85% of the
>>>prescriptions written for the drug (Serostim) in question were
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>>$21,000.  Multiply that by a lot of prescriptions and it's big money,
>>>and it's fraud, including insurance fraud.

>One thing to consider is that AIDS therapy depends on testing every
>conceivable drug available to see if it enhances the overall treatment.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>they are getting rich of it, but that's the way it is until Hugo Chávez
>and Robert Mugabe form an alliance to invent free AIDS drugs.

It's not quite that simple.

In antiretroviral (ARV) therapy, it is not (nor was it ever) a matter
of using patients as "guinea pigs."  We knew that there are certain
physiologic processes critically important to HIV-1's ability to re-
produce, and that if we could find chemicals that screwed up those
processes, we could reduce the bug's ability to do damage.  Right
now, we go after three key enzymes in the HIV-1 bug's "attack"
on human cells.  The testing on humans involves issues like dosing
(what's too much?  what's not enough?), synergies (if we use X and
Y and Z together, will they work better than just X, or just Y, or
just Z alone?), adverse secondary effects (especially those occurring
chiefly in certain sectors of the population), and so forth.  

We try to *harvest* information on each and every patient with
chronic HIV infection (even the ones who don't manifest AIDS)
in order to continue building our fund of knowledge on the subject.
It enables the treating physician today to more readily distinguish
problems and more effectively handle disease management.  But
to say that every patient with chronic HIV infection is a "guinea
pig" is too damned simplistic.  

As for  "Hugo Chávez and Robert Mugabe," what gives you
cause to fantasize that murdering, thieving, parasitical career
politicians of their ilk can "invent" anything but more ingenious
ways to ruin their polities' economies, raise ever-greater piles
of corpses, and destroy the clinical utility of the ARV drugs
so painstakingly developed by private sector R&D companies
in countries outside these bastards' twitching, bloody grasp?

------------------
People should not be afraid of their governments.
Governments should be afraid of their people.

    -- Andrew & Larry Wachowski (screenplay)
       *V for Vendetta* (2006)
David Wright - 27 Oct 2005 04:53 GMT
>>My goodness, SJDoc, you sure do know how to make friends  
>>wherever you go, don't you?  First it was insulting surgeons, now this.
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>disputable fact, then you're about as complete an idiot as it's
>possible to get.  

etc etc etc -- with not ONE WORD explaining why it was OK for those
doctors to accept kickbacks from the drug company.  Why are you so
touchy about this?  Guilty conscience?

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

>As for my own relationship with the various pharmaceuticals
>manufacturers, bear in mind that I'm a primary care grunt.  The  
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
>    -- George Orwell (Eric Blair)
>        "Politics and the English Language" (1946)
SJ Doc - 27 Oct 2005 08:57 GMT
>etc etc etc -- with not ONE WORD explaining why it was OK
>for those doctors to accept kickbacks from the drug company.  
>Why are you so touchy about this?  Guilty conscience?

Nope.  As I'd said, I'm a primary care grunt.  I'm not the kind
of doctor that the pharma manufacturers look to "influence" in
the sorts of interesting ways covered by the OIG guidance (see  
http://oig.hhs.gov/authorities/docs/03/050503FRCPGPharmac.pdf)
uttered a couple of years ago.  You didn't bother to read that
before shoving your comment into my post, but then, of course,
you're an idiot.  

What you're reading into the cut-and-pasted article and the suc-
cessor post of "ritameetr" are both the poster's and the original
writers' own prejudices as well as the unsupported assertions
of prosecuting U.S. Attorney Sullivan, who would happily
accuse Serono of having engineered the anthrax attacks of Sep-
tember 2001 if he thought he could get away with it.  That's
what prosecuting attorneys do for a living.  They fling as much
sh.t as they can lift and try like hell to make something stick.  

What's the old saw?  "A conservative is a liberal who's just
been mugged, while a liberal is a conservative who's just been
indicted."  

I'd like you to look into the *Federal Register* reference I've
just given you (above) for the final guidance uttered by the
Office of the Inspector General (OIG) of the U.S. Department
of Health and Human Services - and bear in mind that the
elaboration of guidances like these have been slurping out
of the DHHS since 1972 without providing more than the
most nebulous and befuddling instructions (altogether typical
of federal regulations in general) affecting the health care
sector of the U.S. and world economies in general and the
pharmaceuticals industry in particular.  

Find something in there that calls into question - even retro-
spectively - the actions undertaken by Serono in offering those
infectious diseases (ID) specialists a trip to Cannes as par-
ticipants in a medical conference on the basis of their having
established their expertise in the use of somatropin in a minimum
number of HIV-related wasting cases.  Now find something
there - or in any other part of Title 21 Code of Federal Regula-
tions (21 CFR) - that speaks to any sort of criminality on the
part of any physician who takes up Serono's offer to transport
them to Cannes for that conference, to pay for their board and
lodging, and to otherwise facilitate their discussions with col-
leagues both foreign and American in addressing some pretty
goddam knotty problems in the management of patients with
chronic HIV-1 infection.  

Put up, please, or do kindly STFU.  

I'll admit that I'm envious of the specialists who get invited to
these sorts of conferences.  It's not because they get to travel
to the French Riviera, as I have no more desire to deal with
francophone tourist trap operators than I have with regard to
visiting Disney World or Las Vegas. They're destinations for
mundanes, and the mundanes can have 'em.  What I would
have *very* much enjoyed would have been the opportunity
to speak directly and at length with some of the world leaders
in AIDS treatment and research - guys like Soriano and
Moyle and the rest of the IAS crowd - for a week-end.

Primary care grunts like me don't get much opportunity
for that sort of interaction, no matter how long we've been
treating cases of GRID ("gay-related immune deficiency,"
as we used to call it up until 1982).  We're not the glamour
boys of the profession, and we're okay with that.  Most
of us hold with Heinlein's dictum to the effect that "speciali-
zation is for insects."  

We also accept the fact that to most of the marketing clowns
in the pharma industry, we're not worth much in the way of
their promotional budgets.  The perqs go to the guys who
write for tons of high-dollar medications, not to those of us
whose scrip pads get whittled down renewing prescriptions
for hydrochlorothiazide, metoprolol, and lovastatin.

But there's not enough *Schadenfreude* in the average
GP's makeup give us cause to exult when some idiot writes
that he would "... be just fine with prosecuting the doctors
who took the kickbacks" in a situation such as that under
current discussion.  We all know - on the basis of both
professional training (medical jurisprudence) and experience
- that it is entirely too damned easy for a physician to become
entangled in the chaos of regulation dumped all over the
profession by politicians and bureaucrats at every level of
civil government in these United States, and that prosecutors
like Mr. Sullivan would just as eagerly come after *us* as
they delight in clobbering high-profile targets like the pharma
companies.  

In the Serono situation (insofar as I've been able to determine)
the physicians "induced" by Serono to incorporate somatropin
in the management of patients with HIV-related wasting were
not given supplies of Serostim by the manufacturer to be ad-
ministered and then billed to HCFA (now CMS) as if the
doctors had sustained the cost of purchasing the drug (which
is what TAP had done in their "promotion" of Lupron), so
the docs didn't defraud Medicare or Medicaid (or any other
third party payer) in any way whatsoever.

So to what extent have any of the American doctors partici-
pating in that conference put a foot wrong with regard to U.S.
regulations governing their conduct?  In what way have they
even skated close to violating the AMA Code of Medical Ethics
(http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/2498.html)?

Bear in mind that I don't have to prove (or even argue) that "...it
was OK for those doctors to accept kickbacks from the drug
company" in the case under discussion.  The burden is on *your*
shoulders (and those of government thugs like Mr. Sullivan) to
establish a claim either that "kickbacks" were given or received
*or* that the acceptance of the perquisites attending upon the
medical conference held in Cannes constituted a violation of either
administrative or criminal law on the part of the physicians who
accepted Serono's offer.  

So just how the hell *do* you justify the indictment, prosecution,
or conviction of any of these physicians, you stupid, self-righteous
sonofabitch?

---------------
Let them then own land or factories as much as they please.
The decisive factor is that the State, through the party, is
supreme over them, regardless whether they are owners or
workers. All that, you see, is unessential. Our Socialism goes
far deeper... What are ownership and income to that? Why
need we trouble to socialize banks and factories? We socialize
human beings.

    -- Hermann Rauschning (Berlin, 1940)
David Wright - 31 Oct 2005 04:49 GMT
>>etc etc etc -- with not ONE WORD explaining why it was OK
>>for those doctors to accept kickbacks from the drug company.  
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>before shoving your comment into my post, but then, of course,
>you're an idiot.  

No, I saw it.  But you still protest too much.  From the vehemence
of your reaction, one would think I'd suggested YOU should be
prosecuted.

Not to mention your gratuitous use of insult.  I suppose you're just
a frustrated wimp in real life and this lashing out is your method
of trying to make yourself feel better.  Does it work?  As you post
from your nice safe anonymity, I mean.

>What you're reading into the cut-and-pasted article and the suc-
>cessor post of "ritameetr" are both the poster's and the original
>writers' own prejudices as well as the unsupported assertions
>of prosecuting U.S. Attorney Sullivan, who would happily
>accuse Serono of having engineered the anthrax attacks of Sep-
>tember 2001 if he thought he could get away with it.

And Serono is as innocent as a little wooly lamb.  That's why they
agreed to pay $704 million.  There was no real question that the
kickbacks they were offering were illegal, and nothing you've said has
contradicted that.  And they were using an unapproved test.  Maybe the
test was great, but it wasn't approved and they knew it.

>What's the old saw?  "A conservative is a liberal who's just
>been mugged, while a liberal is a conservative who's just been
>indicted."  

Usually "arrested" not "indicted."

>I'd like you to look into the *Federal Register* reference I've
>just given you (above) for the final guidance uttered by the
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>established their expertise in the use of somatropin in a minimum
>number of HIV-related wasting cases.

Established their expertise?  The criterion for going was writing 30
prescriptions.

>I'll admit that I'm envious of the specialists who get invited to
>these sorts of conferences.  It's not because they get to travel
>to the French Riviera, as I have no more desire to deal with
>francophone tourist trap operators than I have with regard to
>visiting Disney World or Las Vegas. They're destinations for
>mundanes, and the mundanes can have 'em.

You're going to need an orthopod if you keep patting yourself on the
back like this.

>Primary care grunts like me don't get much opportunity for that sort
>of interaction, no matter how long we've been treating cases of GRID
>("gay-related immune deficiency," as we used to call it up until
>1982).  We're not the glamour boys of the profession, and we're okay
>with that.  Most of us hold with Heinlein's dictum to the effect that
>"specialization is for insects."  

Must you quote that insufferable windbag Lazarus Long?

>In the Serono situation (insofar as I've been able to determine)
>the physicians "induced" by Serono to incorporate somatropin
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>the docs didn't defraud Medicare or Medicaid (or any other
>third party payer) in any way whatsoever.

The patients couldn't get Serostim without a prescription, could they?
The exact mechanism of how the drug got into their hands is a red
herring.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
cathyb - 31 Oct 2005 07:11 GMT
> >>etc etc etc -- with not ONE WORD explaining why it was OK
> >>for those doctors to accept kickbacks from the drug company.
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>
> Must you quote that insufferable windbag Lazarus Long?

Yep, the most conceited persona ever created, except perhaps for that
created by the "mind" of John Gohde.

Cathy

> >In the Serono situation (insofar as I've been able to determine)
> >the physicians "induced" by Serono to incorporate somatropin
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>      "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
>                                  -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
 
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