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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / October 2005Utter nonsense of vaccination
"The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the result of technical, social and hygienic improvements and especially of improved nutrition. Here the role of the potato...deserves special mention.....Consider carefully whether you want to let yourself or your children undergo the dangerous, controversial, ineffective and no longer necessary procedure called vaccination, because the claim that vaccinations are the cause for the decline of infectious diseases is utter nonsense."--The Vaccination Nonsense (2004 Lectures)---Dr. med. G. Buchwald ISBN 3-8334-2508-3 page 108. http://www.whale.to/b/hoax1.html > "The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by > doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the > result of technical, social and hygienic improvements and especially of > improved nutrition. Why are un-vaccinated travellers more likely to bring back diseases? > > "The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by > > doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the > > result of technical, social and hygienic improvements and especially of > > improved nutrition. > > Why are un-vaccinated travellers more likely to bring back diseases? Going on history it is either a lie or not true, >>>"The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by >>>doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Going on history it is either a lie or not true, I say it's a lie. Your anti-vac BS that is. Come to think of it, make that everything on whale.to, except maybe the time of day. > >>>"The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by > >>>doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I say it's a lie. Your anti-vac BS that is. Come to think of it, make > that everything on whale.to, except maybe the time of day. Brilliant analysis, you should consider publishing. A comic strip, that is. PeterB > > >>>"The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by > > >>>doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Brilliant analysis, you should consider publishing. A comic strip, > that is. Obviously, PeterB hasn't been to whaleto. Oh, I forgot, it's where he does his research.... As for 'brilliant analysis', we need only look at 'it is either a lie or not true'. Bless. Cathy > PeterB >"I say it's a lie. Your anti-vac BS that is. Come to think of it, make >that everything on whale.to, except maybe the time of day. See yourself in others http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ploy5.html > > > "The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by > > > doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Going on history it is either a lie or not true, Try telling that to one of my relations who had to be rushed into hospital after returning from a trip. > > > > "The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by > > > > doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Try telling that to one of my relations who had to be rushed into hospital > after returning from a trip. That's purely anecdotal; it proves nothing. Peter >>>>>"The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by >>>>>doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > That's purely anecdotal; it proves nothing. John was asking a question which lends itself to an anecdotal answer. > > > > > "The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by > > > > > doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > That's purely anecdotal; it proves nothing. I agree. > "The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by > doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the > result of technical, social and hygienic improvements and especially of > improved nutrition. There is no question that improved hygiene, sanitation and nutrition have had a major effect of limited mortality from disease. However, the data clearly show that the lack or great decrease in the incidence of measles, mumps, rubella-related birth defects, chicken pox, small-pox, polio, Hib-invasive disease and other illnesses is because of vaccination. <rest of garbage deleted> > "The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by > doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > G. Buchwald ISBN 3-8334-2508-3 page 108. > http://www.whale.to/b/hoax1.html This, like nearly everything from whaleto, is utter nonsense. ". . . the role of the potato . . ."? Actually, improved hygiene and sanitation at the turn of the century was one of the CAUSES of the polio epidemic in the U.S. Only the vaccines by Salk and later Sabin brought the incidence down to the nearly-eradicated status it has today. Smallpox was eradicated by vaccination, and to claim otherwise is an insult to the determined doctors who hunted down and blotted out (with vaccines) the last few pockets and outbreaks of this dredful disease.  Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ > > "The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by > > doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > This, like nearly everything from whaleto, is utter nonsense. ". . . the > role of the potato . . ."? Everyone except John, La Lollipop and PeteyB are well aware that whale.to is a joke. PeteyB actually appears to use it as a research tool. > Actually, improved hygiene and sanitation at the turn of the century was one > of the CAUSES of the polio epidemic in the U.S. Now that I didn't know. How so? > Only the vaccines by Salk > and later Sabin brought the incidence down to the nearly-eradicated status [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to the determined doctors who hunted down and blotted out (with vaccines) > the last few pockets and outbreaks of this dredful disease. Hear, hear. Cathy > -- > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > http://www.skeptic.com/ > http://www.csicop.org/ >> > "The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by >> > doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > whale.to is a joke. PeteyB actually appears to use it as a research > tool. Translation: Everyone here is a *gang* member* of *organized medicine* brain washed with their beliefs. Everything not endorsed by them is called a *joke* >> Actually, improved hygiene and sanitation at the turn of the century was >> one >> of the CAUSES of the polio epidemic in the U.S. > > Now that I didn't know. How so? Oh, well if he doesn't know it either, what the hey, he is a proven liar, like you, so the *gang* will believe him. >> Only the vaccines by Salk >> and later Sabin brought the incidence down to the nearly-eradicated [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >> --Rich >>> Actually, improved hygiene and sanitation at the turn of the century was >>> one [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Oh, well if he doesn't know it either, what the hey, he is a proven liar, >like you, so the *gang* will believe him. Poor Jan. Unable to deal with facts so she just hurls out FALSE accusations of lying. Jan Drew *knows* that polio is much more severe when older children contract it. And she knows that improved sanitation increased the age at which children contracted this illness. And the reason she knows it is because she has repeatedly seen it posted here. But since Jan is an incorrigible liar she just cannot help herself. Jan Drew accuses others of not respecting the Ten Commandments and taking the lords name in vain. Sadly she seems to forget that she continues to lie and bear false witness against others and when this is pointed out to her she lies and bears false witness some more. Jan Drew still has not provided a shred of evidence that a doctor who she claims lost his license has lost his license. I wonder why that is? It is because Jan Drew LIED and she KNOWS IT! This is why she ignores my posts which confront her about this lie. If she had proof you can be very sure she would post it. Jan Drew thinks I am that doctor whose license she claims was lost. That is why she lied. Of course the fact that she thinks I am Jewish plays a very big part in her lying about me. It is ironic. Jan DRew says that lying comes second nature to Jews. Is Jan DRew Jewish?? >http://tinyurl.com/3mkjg > >>> >Richard H Jacobson (which I learned was a Jew just last week) Poor Jan. May God have mercy on her soul. Aloha, Rich ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance > Poor Jan. > Jan Drew *knows* >she knows > she knows >> she has > > Jan is >she just > Jan Drew she seems >> she continues >she lies > > Jan Drew > she claims > Jan Drew >>she LIED > she KNOWS >she ignores she had > she would > > Jan Drew >she claims > she lied. she thinks her lying . Jan DRew >Jan DRew > Poor Jan. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Best defense to logic is ignorance ============== Is this thread abut Jan Drew? >>Poor Jan. > [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > Is this thread abut Jan Drew? When you delete the last two words of the former subject, as I did, it sure does look like it is. >> Actually, improved hygiene and sanitation at the turn of the century was one >> of the CAUSES of the polio epidemic in the U.S. > >Now that I didn't know. How so? Actually it did not cause the polio epidemic but it sure made it much worse. Polio contracted at a very young age tends to be much less severe compared to older children becoming infected. As a result of improved sanitation, the average age of contracting polio increased. You do the math. Aloha, Rich ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance > >> Actually, improved hygiene and sanitation at the turn of the century was one > >> of the CAUSES of the polio epidemic in the U.S. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Rich Thanks, Rich. Cathy > ------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------- > > Best defense to logic is ignorance > "The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by > doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the > result of technical, social and hygienic improvements and especially of > improved nutrition. This is undisputeable fact that is very well documented. Refrigeration, as in refrigerators, along with a vastly improved food distribution system now allows people to eat fresh watermelon 12 months of the year, if they so desire. That is what is responsible for most of the decline in deaths, NOT vaccinations. I have the evidence on my web site, on my history web pages. The science want-a-bees have my condolences. > > "The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by > > doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > The science want-a-bees have my condolences. Bless. The ignorant little racist hasn't noticed that science came up with refrigeration. Nor that the 'victory over epidemics' was won by vaccination, regardless of the decrease in mortality for some vaccine-preventable diseases before its introduction. Nor that deaths still occur in the well-fed West when outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases occur. Nor that vaccination is still a massive lifesaver in places where people still commonly die of diseases such as measles. Still, he wouldn't care about those people. Many of them aren't even white. Cathy >> > "The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by >> > doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Cathy He's just a little bit right about refrigerators playing a role. They made it possible to preserve vaccines! ;o) Rich > >> > "The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by > >> > doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > ;o) Rich LOL:) Cathy > > > "The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by > > > doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Bless. The ignorant little racist hasn't noticed that science came up > with refrigeration. Perhaps, if the Fem-Bot was to concentrate? The subject of this post is vaccination. Talk about the overreach of medicine. You geeks are now claiming credit for refrigerators. I think that Sears Roebuck and GE had something to do with it. > Nor that the 'victory over epidemics' was won by vaccination, > regardless of the decrease in mortality for some vaccine-preventable [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Still, he wouldn't care about those people. Many of them aren't even > white. When you are talking about 0.002% of the population. Looking both ways before crossing the street would be just as effective. You have my condolences, for not even attempting to rebut my assertion. > The subject of this post is vaccination. > > Talk about the overreach of medicine. You geeks are now claiming credit > for refrigerators. I think that Sears Roebuck and GE had something to > do with it. If you think refrigerators were not invented by "geeks," you don't really know the meaning of the word. "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <sbharris@ix.netcom.com> wrote in >> The subject of this post is vaccination. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If you think refrigerators were not invented by "geeks," you don't > really know the meaning of the word. Indeed. Einstein held a patent on one. moo > "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <sbharris@ix.netcom.com> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Indeed. Einstein held a patent on one. Heck, my high school class had 720 certified geeks. And, I look at us today and the result of our collective geekiness is incredible...even the one who became a terrorist. >>The subject of this post is vaccination. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If you think refrigerators were not invented by "geeks," you don't > really know the meaning of the word. According to AltThink, refrigerators were manufactured by small magnet sales companies to increase their profits. >> "The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by >> doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the >> result of technical, social and hygienic improvements and especially of >> improved nutrition. > >This is undisputeable fact that is very well documented. No, it isn't. Refrigeration did not end epidemics of measles, mumps, or chickenpox. It did help a lot with mortality, though. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I disagree. Proper nutrition promotes good communication between the brain and the body as well as cell to cell within a subsystem. Good nutrition prevents disease. Medicine cures or controls disease after there is a microbial breach or a genetic malfunction. So nutrition experts are needed as well as medical doctors. My impression is that chiropractors are adding nutrition expertise to their "bone cracking" expertise. Quack quack, David H ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I disagree. Proper nutrition promotes good > communication between the brain and the > body as well as cell to cell within a subsystem. I deciphered that communication once in a person who had meningitis. The message was: You moron. If you had bothered to get the vaccine you would not be in the emergency room. > Good nutrition prevents disease. Good nutrition prevents nutrition related disease. Not all disease. Medicine cures > or controls disease after there is a microbial > breach or a genetic malfunction. Like in Tay-Sachs? > So nutrition experts are needed as well as > medical doctors. My impression is that chiropractors > are adding nutrition expertise to their "bone cracking" > expertise. |
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