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Studies Show Flu Vaccine Is Not Effective for Most
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PeterB - 23 Sep 2005 13:45 GMT Flu Vaccine Only Mildly Effective in Elderly By Amanda Gardner HealthDay Reporter
WEDNESDAY, Sept. 21 (HealthDay News) -- The flu vaccine, a cornerstone of public health policy, is only mildly effective in the population for which it is supposedly most critical: the elderly.
According to a study appearing in the Sept. 22 online issue of The Lancet, vaccines against influenza are only "modestly effective" in people in long-term care facilities and even less effective for elderly people still living in the community.
That research is twinned with another flu study, which found more bad news: that resistance to drugs used to treat influenza has risen 12 percent in the past decade.
This finding, the authors stated, raises questions about the government's policy of stockpiling such drugs.
Strong opinions to the vaccine study came from all sides of the issue.
"The vaccine doesn't work very well at all," said study author Dr. Tom Jefferson, an epidemiologist with the Cochrane Vaccines Field in Rome. "Vaccines are being used as an ideological weapon. What you see every year as the flu is caused by 200 or 300 different agents with a vaccine against two of them. That is simply nonsense."
Dr. Marc Siegel, author of False Alarm: The Truth About the Epidemic of Fear, agreed. "We have set up a situation where a fear is created, and then we try to create the treatment for this fear. The public gets the idea that the flu is going to kill them and the vaccine will save them. Neither is true," he said. "The flu vaccine has use in cutting down on deaths from complications in the chronically ill and people at great risk, but it's not a panacea."
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention responded strongly on the other side.
"We certainly do hope that people will not be sidetracked from this important point. There are studies that show that the vaccine is effective in preventing serious complications of the flu," said CDC spokesman Tom Skinner. "This is not going to change the fact that we each and every year recommend people in high-risk categories to get the vaccine."
Health officials worldwide, including those at the CDC, push to get as many elderly individuals as possible vaccinated against the flu each year. According to the study, in 2000, 40 of 51 developed or rapidly developing countries recommended vaccines for all individuals aged 60 and older. In 2003, 290 million doses of vaccine were distributed worldwide.
Earlier this month, U.S. health officials starting urging all eligible persons to get a flu shot, with priority given to the elderly and certain other groups. And to avoid last year's flu vaccine shortage, U.S. health officials have planned for a total of 97 million doses of vaccine.
The current study provided no new data but, rather, looked at 64 existing studies which looked at the effectiveness of the flu vaccine over 96 flu seasons.
For elderly people living in the community, inactivated influenza vaccines prevented up to 30 percent of hospitalizations for pneumonia but were not effective against the flu, flu-like illnesses or pneumonia. "The vaccines didn't seem to prevent influenza," Jefferson said.
For elderly people living in long-term care facilities, the picture was slightly brighter, with vaccines preventing up to 42 percent of deaths caused by influenza and pneumonia only.
"We have to concentrate our resources elsewhere or invest in better vaccines," Jefferson stated.
The authors of the second study screened 7,000 influenza A isolates for gene mutations known to confer drug resistance to the antivirals amantadine and rimantadine.
Overall drug resistance increased from 0.4 percent in 1994-95 to 12.3 percent in 2003-04. Also, 61 percent of resistant viruses isolated since 2003 were from people in Asia. Some Asian countries had drug resistance frequencies exceeding 70 percent, possibly a reflection of different prescribing practices.
Strikingly, more than 84 percent of all resistant viruses during the 10-year period under question were identified since the 2003 flu season.
This highlights the importance of continuing to expand surveillance of the emergence of resistance to these drugs, said Rick Bright, lead author of the study and a research scientist with the CDC.
"This is a warning that overuse of antiviral drugs leads to resistance," Siegel said. "The drugs should be specifically used for influenza that is a problem in terms of duration and possible risk of death, not for everybody."
The study authors voiced concern that rising rates of resistance will render amantadine and rimantadine ineffective for treatment or prevention in the event of an influenza pandemic. That, in turn, would render government stockpiles useless.
"I question stockpiling these drugs. You're going to have to discard or overuse them. It's sending a message to the public that these are lifesaving drugs," Siegel said. "Antivirals should be considered in high-risk cases," but in other cases they may only be of limited effectiveness, he said.
"We have to differentiate between potential risk and something that clearly is in the offing. Fear is a warning system that is supposed to protect us against imminent danger such as a gorilla hanging over us," he added. "I want to know why more effort isn't put on getting our vaccination method up-to-date instead of stockpiling millions of doses of vaccine and sending a fear message. We need to see reality."
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Rich - 23 Sep 2005 15:04 GMT Flu Vaccine Only Mildly Effective in ELDERLY
According to a study appearing in the Sept. 22 online issue of The Lancet, vaccines against influenza are only "modestly effective" in people in long-term care facilities and even less effective for elderly people still living in the community.
"We certainly do hope that people will not be sidetracked from this important point. There are studies that show that the vaccine is effective in preventing serious complications of the flu," said CDC spokesman Tom Skinner. "This is not going to change the fact that we each and every year recommend people in high-risk categories to get the vaccine."
Peter, your subject line is false and misleading. In the report quoted, your "not effective" becomes "modestly effective", and "most" is actually the "elderly". This is typical of anti-vac liar semantic twisting.
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cathyb - 23 Sep 2005 15:27 GMT > Flu Vaccine Only Mildly Effective in ELDERLY > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > --Rich And while it's disappointing that the vaccines aren't more effective,
"For elderly people living in the community, inactivated influenza vaccines prevented up to 30 percent of hospitalizations for pneumonia but were not effective against the flu, flu-like illnesses or pneumonia. "The vaccines didn't seem to prevent influenza," Jefferson said.
For elderly people living in long-term care facilities, the picture was
slightly brighter, with vaccines preventing up to 42 percent of deaths caused by influenza and pneumonia only."
is hardly to be sniffed at:)
And I would question the judgement that up to 42% of deaths being prevented is only a "slightly brighter" picture.
According to an article in The Australian today, the CDC reckon the problem with resistance in Asia is down to farmers in various countries giving their chickens cheap anti-virals; however, I couldn't find that on the CDC website, so who knows.
Cathy
> Recommended websites: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://www.skeptic.com/ > http://www.csicop.org/ PeterB - 23 Sep 2005 18:13 GMT > Flu Vaccine Only Mildly Effective in ELDERLY > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > "not effective" becomes "modestly effective", and "most" is actually the > "elderly". This is typical of anti-vac liar semantic twisting. First, it's misleading to quote only those segments of an article you find agreeable to you, so I urge readers to read the article in its entirely (above your response.) This article clearly highlights the fact that authorities are in disagreement about the benefits of flu vaccine. As for the reference to "modestly effective," that was true only for those in long-term care facilities, not everyone else. Where do you think the majority of people are? Do you know the meaning of the word "Most?" If you disagree with my view that something less than "modestly effective" is therefore "not effective," take it up with study authors, they are drawing the same conclusion, which is why CDC (where many pharma people are working these day$) got hot under the collar.
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Rich - 23 Sep 2005 18:38 GMT >> Flu Vaccine Only Mildly Effective in ELDERLY >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > PeterB Actually, this is from the abstract of the study:
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673605673394/abstract?i seop=true (You have to be registered at Lancet to view this abstract, but registration is free.)
"Interpretation In long-term care facilities, where vaccination is most effective against complications, the aims of the vaccination campaign are fulfilled, at least in part. However, according to reliable evidence the usefulness of vaccines in the community is modest."
So now, in long-term care the "aims . . . are fulfilled," and in the community the "usefulness . . . is modest".
"Modest" is certainly better than "not effective" and considering the low cost and excellent safety record of influenza vaccines, vaccination of the elderly and other high-risk persons seems well worthwhile.
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PeterB - 23 Sep 2005 19:34 GMT > >> Flu Vaccine Only Mildly Effective in ELDERLY > >> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > cost and excellent safety record of influenza vaccines, vaccination of the > elderly and other high-risk persons seems well worthwhile. You're confusing two areas of vaccine efficacy. The quote you lifted from the abstract refers to "complications of influenza," not influenza itself. The modest benefit, in fact, is only for those who contract influenza *despite* vaccination in long-term care facilities, which amounts to a VERY small minority. And in those facilities, additional medical assistance is certainly available, which explains why the vaccine-associated benefit in those individuals is not observed in their counterparts outside managed care. My subject header is therefore quite accurate in terms of influenza protection, and explains the dispute going on among health authorities. In MOST people, as it turns out, flu vaccine is simply not effective. Other studies have clearly shown this, however the drug makers (and you on their behalf) are trying hard to deny it. As for vaccine being cheap insurance, that depends on your view of insurance. The injection of biological material into a human being, by design, is an assault on the immune system; it's also inferior to fortification of immune response made possible by use of nutritional supplements.
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Rich - 23 Sep 2005 19:52 GMT >> >> Flu Vaccine Only Mildly Effective in ELDERLY >> >> [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > system; it's also inferior to fortification of immune response made > possible by use of nutritional supplements. So you're admitting that those who contract influenza despite vaccination in long-term care facilities amount to "a VERY small minority," and in the same paragraph claim that vaccination is ineffective. That looks like a major contradiction to me. Also, when you say MOST people you must include the non-elderly vaccinated population in which vaccination is much more effective. Just where are all those studies that "clearly show" otherwise? As for the assault to the immune system, the immune system responds appropriately to such assaults (which it encounters daily even without vaccination), and will not work properly without such "assaults" regardless of what supplements are employed. No supplement will "fortify" an immune response more than the presence of the pathogen specific lymphocytes and antibodies produced by the body after vaccination.
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PeterB - 23 Sep 2005 20:44 GMT > >> >> Flu Vaccine Only Mildly Effective in ELDERLY > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > paragraph claim that vaccination is ineffective. That looks like a major > contradiction to me. By truncating my statement you manage to support your bias. Here is what I said:
"The modest benefit, in fact, is only for those who contract influenza *despite* vaccination in long-term care facilities, which amounts to a VERY small minority..."
The very small minority refers to the number of hospice-care vaccinated persons who experience a medical benefit despite contracting influenza. Get it?
> Also, when you say MOST people you must include the > non-elderly vaccinated population in which vaccination is much more > effective. We've seen little evidence that flu vaccine is especially effective in ANY age group.
> Just where are all those studies that "clearly show" otherwise? I posted a well-publicized study here a few weeks ago, you might have been away at the time. I couldn't find it and don't have the reference handy, but I may have it on one of the other computers. I'll check later and repost.
> As for the assault to the immune system, the immune system responds > appropriately to such assaults (which it encounters daily even without > vaccination), and will not work properly without such "assaults" regardless > of what supplements are employed. No supplement will "fortify" an immune > response more than the presence of the pathogen specific lymphocytes and > antibodies produced by the body after vaccination. With your presumed medical background, you should know that immunology is a complex system involving more than lymphocytes and antibody production; that poor nutritional status is a huge factor in susceptability to disease, and that effective immune response is not dependent on vaccine. You might want to visit http://www.who.int/en/ to learn more about the link between susceptability to viral illness and nutritional status. That's very important for the elderly, but everyone else too.
PeterB
LadyLollipop - 23 Sep 2005 22:26 GMT >>> Flu Vaccine Only Mildly Effective in ELDERLY >>> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > cost and excellent safety record of influenza vaccines, vaccination of the > elderly and other high-risk persons seems well worthwhile. Ill-informed
I choose NOT .
> --Rich Rich - 23 Sep 2005 22:27 GMT >>>> Flu Vaccine Only Mildly Effective in ELDERLY >>>> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Ill-informed You may choose as you like, but my choice is demonstably better informed than yours.
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Mark Probert - 24 Sep 2005 02:59 GMT >>>>Flu Vaccine Only Mildly Effective in ELDERLY >>>> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > I choose NOT . Go right ahead.
LadyLollipop - 23 Sep 2005 22:24 GMT > Flu Vaccine Only Mildly Effective in ELDERLY > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > your "not effective" becomes "modestly effective", and "most" is actually > the "elderly". This is typical of anti-vac liar semantic twisting. LOL,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Says the one who has been twisting and twisting and twisting.
And saying, fibo is a crock, + repeating the proven lying websites.
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