> YOU asked a question.
>>YOU, claimed that you have a problem with it.
>
> YES, I did.
>
> Futhermore, I posted that MANY people have a problem with it and WHY.
> That is self explanatory. See below.
> IOW, you support Censorship and restrictions of Free Speech.
>
> WRONG.
> If I need other words, *I* will post them.
My answer was sufficient, NO need to go over it again.
The end.
Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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>> Mark Probert in his usual dishonesty makes a deceiving title:
> There is no deception involved.
Whooper LYING, over and over and over.
You stated that you had a problem with
> lobbying, etc.
I did NOT start the problem.
YOU asked a question.
Lobbying is free speech, and, further, is an example of
> the people's right to petition the government for redress. That right is
> also enumerated in the First Amendment.
I dare say we all know what lobbying is.
> YOU, claimed that you have a problem with it.
YES, I did.
Futhermore, I posted that MANY people have a problem with it and WHY.
That is self explanatory. See below.
IOW, you support Censorship and restrictions of Free Speech.
WRONG.
If I need other words, *I* will post them.
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> I asked:
>>>>>>As is their right to do, or, do you have a problem with this?
> You answered:
>>>YES
> You added:
>>>Take a good look a your buddy, paid by the word Andrew Langer Then get
>>>real
>>>http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/11/lobby.america/>
> I responded:
>> Mr. Langer is not mentioned in that article and I find is telling that
>> you would even mention his name in mha where he has not appeared (via
>> crosspost) since June 8, 2005.
>> I should email him and let him know you are trashing him behind his back.
> You interjected:
>> Pathetic, as usual, Mark, I have posted, the very same thing to him
> I continued:
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>> http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/11/lobby.america/>> CNN) -- There's no
>> denying both political parties in Congress are now owned lock, stock and
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>> special interest groups on lobbying and corporate America's taking over
>> the deed to Capitol Hill.
>> Let's be clear about this: Calling these greedy people "lobbyists" simply
>> because they convene in the hallowed lobbies of Washington is akin to
>> calling parasites "bodyists" or viruses "blood-streamers." What they're
>> really doing is selling out American workers and hastening the decline in
>> our nation's standard of living and quality of life.
>> Corporations, entire industries and other special interest groups spent a
>> record $2.14 billion on lobbying members of Congress and 220 other
>> federal agencies last year, according to Political MoneyLine, a
>> nonpartisan research service that tracks campaign contributions. That
>> figure represents a 7 percent increase over 2003 and an astonishing 34
>> percent jump from the amount of money spent on lobbying in 2001.
>> Interestingly, while many major news stories tend to focus on campaign
>> finance reform, twice as much money has been spent on lobbying Congress
>> than on federal elections since 1998. All told, corporations and special
>> interests have spent more than $12 billion on lobbying efforts over that
>> time, according to the Center for Public Integrity.
>> Congressmen Rahm Emanuel of Illinois and Marty Meehan of Massachusetts
>> have introduced legislation that would, among other things, strengthen
>> lobbying disclosure requirements, slow the "revolving door" between
>> public service and lobbying and make it easier for Americans to learn
>> about who is lobbying members of Congress. Sen. Russ Feingold of
>> Wisconsin has introduced a similar version in the Senate.
>> But Congressman Emanuel says he thinks the leaders of Congress aren't
>> interested in changing the way it operates, or even the way lobbyists
>> operate.
>> "When the Speaker's gavel comes down, it's intended to open the People's
>> House, and lately it's looking like the Auction House," says Rep.
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>> industry gave $132 million and walked away with $135 billion in
>> additional profits."
>> The corporate lobby has become more effective recently because it's
>> hiring more experienced players, in effect creating a "revolving door"
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>> agency chiefs have become lobbyists since 1998, while more than 2,200
>> former federal employees have registered as federal lobbyists.
>> The striking rise in money spent on lobbying also increases the chances
>> for abuse. Lobbyists are required to report who pays them and how much
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>> PoliticalMoneyLine reports. Those expenses include 6,242 trips for 628
>> lawmakers from both political parties.
>> Alex Knott, LobbyWatch project manager at the Center for Public
>> Integrity, calls this process buying a consensus. "I think where a lot of
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>> major vote happens. And this makes it almost impossible for the
>> individual's voice to penetrate the loud buzz that comes from lobbyists."
>> Americans also want to see changes in Washington: More than four in five
>> Americans believe it would be a "very serious" or "moderately serious"
>> ethical breach if their member of Congress took a trip paid for by a
>> lobbyist, according to a recent USAToday/CNN/Gallup poll.
>> Lobbyists aren't the only ones to blame for the current business-first
>> environment in Washington, but they're enabling those corporate interests
>> to cozy up to our nation's elected officials. We must take action to
>> return Congress to the business of the American citizenry, not the
>> business of the corporate supremacists.
>> <snip insult>
>> If you want to continue the rest of the discussion, I will do so under
>> the correct subject title, your choice.
>>>>Mark Probert in his usual dishonesty makes a deceiving title:
>>>
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>>>>If you want to continue the rest of the discussion, I will do so under
>>>>the correct subject title, your choice.
Mark Probert - 24 Sep 2005 13:40 GMT
> My answer was sufficient, NO need to go over it again.
>
> The end.
Nope. Not at all, hater of the Constitution.
In this response you you, it appears that you went to GoogleGroups and
cut and pasted from there into your newsreader, so as to remove my post
without having to say that you snipped.
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I went to GoogleGroups and found that I was correct. I know you will
deny it, but, that is a lie. The two lines I cite above are nowhere else
in this exchange.
You are a SNEAK.
> Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>If you want to continue the rest of the discussion, I will do so under
>>>>>the correct subject title, your choice.