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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / September 2005Magnetic Sleep Systems popular for natural pain relief
After recent tests (reported last December by the British Medical journal and others) showed that magnetic therapy really can reduce pain and speed the body's own natural healing process, Magnetic Sleep Systems (ie Magnetic Matress Overlays) are proving extremely popular. No longer used solely by osteo-arthritis sufferers or confined just to people with bad-backs, many are now benefitting from this form of Magnetic Therapy - used for treating discomforts & ailments ranging from sleep disorders to athletic injuries & muscular pains. Some of the testimonies on this specialist website (www.magnetic-therapy.uk.com) make fascinating reading. S. > After recent tests (reported last December by the British Medical > journal and others) showed that magnetic therapy really can reduce pain > and speed the body's own natural healing process, Magnetic Sleep > Systems (ie Magnetic Matress Overlays) are proving extremely popular. Can we have some more specifics on the article(s) in the BMJ, like authors and such, and names/ articles of the other journals please? I usually read the BMJ (and some other medical journals like JAMA) and seem to have missed that one. The only ones I recall reading about are the articles saying that sham magnets are as effective as the real thing. > No longer used solely by osteo-arthritis sufferers or confined just to > people with bad-backs, many are now benefitting from this form of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > S. Ah, testimonials. Yes, they are often fascinating reading, I agree with you there. But please provide more information about results being published in medical journals as highly regarded as the BMJ. If through some form of personal bias I keep missing those articles, I'd really like know. >> After recent tests (reported last December by the British Medical >> journal and others) showed that magnetic therapy really can reduce pain [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Ah, testimonials. Yes, they are often fascinating reading, I agree with > you there. But please provide more information Further essential reading: How Does Magnetic Therapy Work - extract from a Double Blind Study by St Paul's College of Veterinary Medicine USA 1995. about results being > published in medical journals as highly regarded as the BMJ. If through > some form of personal bias I keep missing those articles, I'd really like > know. > After recent tests (reported last December by the British Medical > journal and others) showed that magnetic therapy really can reduce pain [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Some of the testimonies on this specialist website > (www.magnetic-therapy.uk.com) make fascinating reading. Google Scholar advanced search: Find articles with the exact phrase: magnetic therapy Publication Return articles published in: british medical journal Date Return articles published between: 2004 and 2005 Your search - "magnetic therapy" - did not match any articles published in british medical journal between 2004 and 2005. Could it be that this spam site is citing imaginary research articles?  Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ >> After recent tests (reported last December by the British Medical >> journal and others) showed that magnetic therapy really can reduce pain [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> Some of the testimonies on this specialist website >> (www.magnetic-therapy.uk.com) make fascinating reading. http://www.magnetic-health.co.uk/How_Magnetic_Therapy_Works.doc No need to go to Google Scholar > Google Scholar advanced search: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Could it be that this spam site is citing imaginary research articles? >>> After recent tests (reported last December by the British Medical >>> journal and others) showed that magnetic therapy really can reduce pain [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > No need to go to Google Scholar Google Scholar is tha quickest way to find the alleged BMJ study. The study doesn't exist. As for the link that you posted, it claims to be an "extract" of some "Double Blind Study" by St Paul's College of Veterinary Medicine. I am, again, unable to find the original study, but the "extract" is a lot of pseudoscientific double talk. There is no way that data from a "Double Blind Study" [quotation marks are theirs] could be extrapolated to imply all the conclusions reported here, particularly the scientifically meaningless terms like, "produce impacting heat on electrons in the body cells." Other terms demonstrate the authors' science illiteracy. Take "magnetic waves," for example. The permanent magnets sold for "magnetic therapy" produce a "field" NOT "waves." This is not nit-picking semantics, it's fundamental to the hypothesis that the authors are promoting. I wonder if the St Paul's College of Veterinary Medicine is aware that their name is being used in this fashon. In any case, this article will not make me rush out to buy therapy magnets. Not even for my cat. Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ You wouldn't try anything, not endorsed by conventional medicine, even if you knew it worked, and you were dying. Brainwashing is mighty powerful. "Rich" <joshew@hawaii.rr.com> wrote. >>>> After recent tests (reported last December by the British Medical >>>> journal and others) showed that magnetic therapy really can reduce pain [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > their name is being used in this fashon. In any case, this article will > not make me rush out to buy therapy magnets. Not even for my cat. > You wouldn't try anything, not endorsed by conventional medicine, even if > you knew it worked, and you were dying. It's true that I require better evidence than, "Try it; you'll like it!" "Even if you knew it worked," is a key phrase here. If I KNEW it worked that would imply that there was solid evidence of its efficacy, and therefore it would be accepted by conventional medicine. > Brainwashing is mighty powerful. Indeed it is. I causes people to spend lots of money on therapy magnets, copper bracelets, "zappers", and other useless junk. Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ > You wouldn't try anything, not endorsed by conventional medicine, even if > you knew it worked, and you were dying. > > Brainwashing is mighty powerful. I’d know if something works (or not) from legitimate research. I don't give a hoot about what anyone endorses. And if legitimate research shows something works and works better than what we already have, then conventional medicine will use it and so will I. But hey, could it be that the conventional/ alternative medicine split is actually a split between ‘does work’ and ‘does not work’? Could it? Or am I being to harsh and is it just ‘proven to work’ vs ‘totally and utterly unproven to work, time and time again’? > "Rich" <joshew@hawaii.rr.com> wrote. > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >>their name is being used in this fashon. In any case, this article will >>not make me rush out to buy therapy magnets. Not even for my cat. >> You wouldn't try anything, not endorsed by conventional medicine, even if >> you knew it worked, and you were dying. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > it just ‘proven to work’ vs ‘totally and utterly unproven to work, time > and time again’? Well said. --Rich >>> You wouldn't try anything, not endorsed by conventional medicine, even >>> if you knew it worked, and you were dying. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > --Rich LOL! As usual, for one who has read, and has NO actual experience. >>>> You wouldn't try anything, not endorsed by conventional medicine, even >>>> if you knew it worked, and you were dying. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > As usual, for one who has read, and has NO actual experience. I do not aspire to experience every quack product in the alternative healthcare market. That would produce a very poor return on investment. Please do tell us about your "actual experience". Did you use magnetic insoles before, or after the removal of your amalgam dental restorations and root-canaled teeth? If before, why didn't the pain relief negate the need for the dental work? If after, vice-versa. Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ >>>>> You wouldn't try anything, not endorsed by conventional medicine, even >>>>> if you knew it worked, and you were dying. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> As usual, for one who has read, and has NO actual experience. <snip diversion> > Please do tell us about your "actual experience". Did you use magnetic > insoles before, or after the removal of your amalgam dental restorations > and root-canaled teeth? If before, why didn't the pain relief negate the > need for the dental work? If after, vice-versa. I have told of my actual experience many times, with magnetic insoles many times. It had nothing whatsoever to do with any dental work Feel free to look it up. > --Rich >> You wouldn't try anything, not endorsed by conventional medicine, even if >> you knew it worked, and you were dying. >> >> Brainwashing is mighty powerful. > > I’d know if something works (or not) from legitimate research. I know if something works from ACTUAL EXPERIENCE. Come back after you have peripheral neuropathy in your feet and you have tried magnetic insoles. Then and ONLY then will you KNOW if magnetics work. I don't > give a hoot about what anyone endorses. And if legitimate research shows > something works and works better than what we already have, then [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >>>their name is being used in this fashon. In any case, this article will >>>not make me rush out to buy therapy magnets. Not even for my cat. >>> You wouldn't try anything, not endorsed by conventional medicine, even >>> if you knew it worked, and you were dying. So I should try something endorsed by YOU, a proven liar? >>> Brainwashing is mighty powerful. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Then and ONLY then will you KNOW if magnetics work. That is a very stupid argument. Aside from the placebo effect, how do you know that the reduction of your pain was not caused by other factors...rest, or exercize, or healing, or (heaven forbid) medications manufactured by big pharmaceutical companies and prescribed by evil organized doctors. The simple answer is that you don't. Some conditions get better on their own. Correlation is not causation. Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ >>>> You wouldn't try anything, not endorsed by conventional medicine, even >>>> if you knew it worked, and you were dying. > > So I should try something endorsed by YOU, a proven liar? Talking to yourself again, I see. >>>> Brainwashing is mighty powerful. >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > That is a very stupid argument. It isn't an argument, it's a FACT. Aside from the placebo effect, how do you > know that the reduction of your pain was not caused by other > factors...rest, or exercize, or healing, Been answered!!!! <snip> Cue for the harasser to harass again. > --Rich >I know if something works from ACTUAL EXPERIENCE. > >Come back after you have peripheral neuropathy in your feet and you have >tried magnetic insoles. > >Then and ONLY then will you KNOW if magnetics work. So we can assume that magnetic insoles don't work for PN? What other alternatives have you tried which didn't work? SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com <snip harassment, lying websites and spam> >>I know if something works from ACTUAL EXPERIENCE. >> >>Come back after you have peripheral neuropathy in your feet and you have >>tried magnetic insoles. >> >>Then and ONLY then will you KNOW if magnetics work. > You wouldn't try anything, not endorsed by conventional medicine, even if > you knew it worked, and you were dying. > > Brainwashing is mighty powerful. You DEMONstrate the adverse effects of brain cleansing. > "Rich" <joshew@hawaii.rr.com> wrote. > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >>their name is being used in this fashon. In any case, this article will >>not make me rush out to buy therapy magnets. Not even for my cat. >>>>After recent tests (reported last December by the British Medical >>>>journal and others) showed that magnetic therapy really can reduce pain [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > NOT "waves." This is not nit-picking semantics, it's fundamental to the > hypothesis that the authors are promoting. Note to Jan: A basic high school physics course teaches enough about magnetism to substantiate the point Rich made. I fully agree with him, and I took 18 credit of college level physics including quantum mechanics (that is the course where I learned how to fix atoms and molecules). > I wonder if the St Paul's College of Veterinary Medicine is aware that their > name is being used in this fashon. In any case, this article will not make > me rush out to buy therapy magnets. Not even for my cat. >>>After recent tests (reported last December by the British Medical >>>journal and others) showed that magnetic therapy really can reduce pain [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > No need to go to Google Scholar Uhm, *that* 'report' is NOT from the BMJ and there should be one according to Samantha. It's also from 1995, not from December 2004. I notice the article from the link is incomplete. Why? Cutting certain parts from research docs can give 'funny' results. For all we know it could be the article contains a chapter called 'False claims for magnets' and this part is from that chapter. No further info on how to get the original full article. I also notice it mentions 'high strength magnets'. In a medical setting, that would be the sort of gigantic (electro)magnet with warningsigns all over it that you should not bring any metal object near it because it's really dangerous to do so and not some boosted refridgerator magnet like those folks sell. Sorry, it's all not very convincing to me. >>Google Scholar advanced search: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >>Could it be that this spam site is citing imaginary research articles? >>>> After recent tests (reported last December by the British Medical >>>> journal and others) showed that magnetic therapy really can reduce pain [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > some boosted refridgerator magnet like those folks sell. > Sorry, it's all not very convincing to me. You just gotta read this site for a good laugh. I copied this from http://www.magnetic-therapy.uk.com/research.asp "NASA reported the early astronauts suffered from a magnetic field deficiency while orbiting in space away from the earths magnetic field. This caused serious medical problems including a rapid loss in bone density. This deficiency was corrected by providing an artificial field in the spacecraft." Away from the Earth's magentic field at 200 miles up? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH For Jan, who is a scientifiv illiterate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetosphere http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/space/mag_field.html http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/earth/magnetic.html And, the line about creating an artificial magnetic field in the spacecraft is just too hilarious. These people insult the intelligence of a literate reader. Obviously, they rely on the stupidity of the customer. >>> Google Scholar advanced search: >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>> >>> Could it be that this spam site is citing imaginary research articles? >>>After recent tests (reported last December by the British Medical >>>journal and others) showed that magnetic therapy really can reduce pain [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > No need to go to Google Scholar Why not? The claim was made by this sales site that there was a study supporting the use of magnetic therapy in the Britich Medical Journal. If that claim cannot be verified, then they are L I A R S and, you, being Usenet's judge, jury and executioner of who is a liar, should be outraged that they lied. Of course, since magentic therapy is an altie therapy, you would not criticize them. Your intellectual dishonesty (best term I can come up with, even though you are no intellectual) knows no bounds. >>Google Scholar advanced search: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >>Could it be that this spam site is citing imaginary research articles? >>After recent tests (reported last December by the British Medical >>journal and others) showed that magnetic therapy really can reduce pain [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Could it be that this spam site is citing imaginary research articles? For an imaginary therapy, an imaginary article would be the best reference. >>>After recent tests (reported last December by the British Medical >>>journal and others) showed that magnetic therapy really can reduce pain [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > For an imaginary therapy, an imaginary article would be the best > reference. Oh, well the imaginary article must be true then. ;o) Rich > After recent tests (reported last December by the British Medical > journal and others) showed that magnetic therapy really can reduce pain [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > S. so, magnetic fields speed natural healing. I guess then, we should studies as to health benefits of living near power lines? Electric blanket manufacturers could advertise possible health benefits. j. |
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