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Green tea 'cuts Alzheimer's risk'

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C.Health - 21 Sep 2005 17:04 GMT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4261558.stm

Green tea 'cuts Alzheimer's risk'
An ingredient of green tea may help to protect the brain against the ravages
of Alzheimer's disease, research in the US suggests.
University of South Florida scientists found the component prevented
Alzheimer's-like damage in the brains of mice bred to develop symptoms.

The component - EGCG - is already strongly suspected of offering protection
against certain cancers.

The study is published in the Journal of Neuroscience.

It provides evidence that EGCG decreases production of the beta-amyloid
protein thought to play a key role in the development of Alzheimer's
symptoms.

A new generation of dietary supplements containing pure EGCG may lead to
the greatest benefit for treating Alzheimer's disease
Dr Doug Shytle

It is this protein that forms the characteristic plaques found in the brain
of Alzheimer's patients which are thought to lead to nerve damage and memory
loss.

After treating Alzheimer's mice for several months with daily injections of
pure EGCG, the researchers observed a dramatic decrease - as much as 54% -
of brain-clogging Alzheimer's plaques.

Lead researcher Dr Jun Tan said: "The findings suggest that a concentrated
component of green tea can decrease brain beta-amyloid plaque formation.

"If beta-amyloid pathology in this Alzheimer's mouse model is representative
of Alzheimer's disease pathology in humans, EGCG dietary supplementation may
be effective in preventing and treating the disease."

Green tea contains many antioxidants, including those known as flavonoids,
that can protect against damage to the brain caused by charged particles
called free radicals.
Jim Chinnis - 21 Sep 2005 17:33 GMT
>Green tea 'cuts Alzheimer's risk'

The title is misleading. Green tea was not tested. In fact, the paper states
that other compounds in green tea might make the ECGC ineffective.

Journalism at its best yet again.
--
Jim Chinnis   Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Mark Probert - 21 Sep 2005 20:15 GMT
>>Green tea 'cuts Alzheimer's risk'
>
> The title is misleading. Green tea was not tested. In fact, the paper states
> that other compounds in green tea might make the ECGC ineffective.
>
> Journalism at its best yet again.

And Altmedders rely on newspaper articles for medical advice.

Scary.
LadyLollipop - 22 Sep 2005 08:14 GMT
>>>Green tea 'cuts Alzheimer's risk'
>>
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>
> Scary.

Then there are those who are just plain dishonest and  pick out certain
parts and try to discredit the entire article.

Then there is Mark Probert, who tells blatant lies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4261558.stm

Green tea 'cuts Alzheimer's risk'

An ingredient of green tea may help to protect the brain against the ravages
of Alzheimer's disease, research in the US suggests.
University of South Florida scientists found the component prevented
Alzheimer's-like damage in the brains of mice bred to develop symptoms.

The component - EGCG - is already strongly suspected of offering protection
against certain cancers.

The study is published in the Journal of Neuroscience.

It provides evidence that EGCG decreases production of the beta-amyloid
protein thought to play a key role in the development of Alzheimer's
symptoms.

    A new generation of dietary supplements containing pure EGCG may lead
to the greatest benefit for treating Alzheimer's disease
     Dr Doug Shytle

It is this protein that forms the characteristic plaques found in the brain
of Alzheimer's patients which are thought to lead to nerve damage and memory
loss.

After treating Alzheimer's mice for several months with daily injections of
pure EGCG, the researchers observed a dramatic decrease - as much as 54% -
of brain-clogging Alzheimer's plaques.

Lead researcher Dr Jun Tan said: "The findings suggest that a concentrated
component of green tea can decrease brain beta-amyloid plaque formation.

"If beta-amyloid pathology in this Alzheimer's mouse model is representative
of Alzheimer's disease pathology in humans, EGCG dietary supplementation may
be effective in preventing and treating the disease."

Green tea contains many antioxidants, including those known as flavonoids,
that can protect against damage to the brain caused by charged particles
called free radicals.

However, the Florida team showed that other flavonoids in green tea actually
block EGCG's ability to prevent the harmful build up of beta-amyloid.

Thus drinking green tea alone would not likely have a beneficial effect.

Supplements

Dr Doug Shytle, who also worked on the study, said: "This finding suggests
that green tea extract selectively concentrating EGCG would be needed to
override the counteractive effect of other flavonoids found in green tea."

"A new generation of dietary supplements containing pure EGCG may lead to
the greatest benefit for treating Alzheimer's disease."

Humans would need a daily dose of 1,500 to 1,600 mg of EGCG to approximate
the level that had a positive impact on mice.

That dosage has already been studied in healthy human volunteers and was
found to be safe and well tolerated.

The Florida team now plans to study whether multiple oral doses of EGCG can
reduce memory loss in Alzheimer's mice as well as reducing plaque formation.

Harriet Millward, of the Alzheimer's Research Trust, told the BBC News
website: "This is quite encouraging progress, building on previous evidence
that antioxidants in green tea might be beneficial to Alzheimer's patients
either as treatment or prevention."

However, Dr Millward said the role of beta-amyloid in the brain was not well
understood, and reducing levels too far might cause damage.

It was also not clear whether the formation of plaques was a cause of
Alzheimer's, or just an effect of it.
Mark Probert - 22 Sep 2005 21:09 GMT
>>>>Green tea 'cuts Alzheimer's risk'
>>>
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>
> Then there is Mark Probert, who tells blatant lies.

I said that altmedders rely on newspaper articles and you post a
newspaper article which has been discredited.

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4261558.stm
>
[quoted text clipped - 70 lines]
> It was also not clear whether the formation of plaques was a cause of
> Alzheimer's, or just an effect of it.
LadyLollipop - 23 Sep 2005 04:34 GMT
>>>>>Green tea 'cuts Alzheimer's risk'
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> I said that altmedders rely on newspaper articles and you post a newspaper
> article which has been discredited.

It hasn't been discredited, and I didn't post it.

>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4261558.stm
>>
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>> It was also not clear whether the formation of plaques was a cause of
>> Alzheimer's, or just an effect of it.
cathyb - 23 Sep 2005 04:47 GMT
> >>>>>Green tea 'cuts Alzheimer's risk'
> >>>>
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>
> It hasn't been discredited, and I didn't post it.

It discredited itself with its ridiculous headline, which was patently
untrue.

And Lollipop did (pointlessly) repost it above.

Bless her little cotton socks; why did she bother denying it?

Cathy

> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4261558.stm
> >>
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> >> It was also not clear whether the formation of plaques was a cause of
> >> Alzheimer's, or just an effect of it.
LadyLollipop - 23 Sep 2005 06:41 GMT
<snip usual belittling>

>> >>>>>Green tea 'cuts Alzheimer's risk'
>> >>>>
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>>
>> It hasn't been discredited, and I didn't post it.

>> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4261558.stm
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>> >> It was also not clear whether the formation of plaques was a cause of
>> >> Alzheimer's, or just an effect of it.
IanW - 22 Sep 2005 10:58 GMT
> >Green tea 'cuts Alzheimer's risk'
>
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>
> Journalism at its best yet again.

I pointed it out to them and they've corrected it.

Ian
Jim Chinnis - 22 Sep 2005 18:25 GMT
"IanW" <whoever@whereever.com> wrote in part:

>> >Green tea 'cuts Alzheimer's risk'
>>
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>
>Ian

Thanks!
--
Jim Chinnis   Warrenton, Virginia, USA
RArmant - 21 Sep 2005 22:55 GMT
http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/short/25/38/0-i
Another Reason to Drink Green Tea?

Kavon Rezai-Zadeh, Doug Shytle, Nan Sun, Takashi Mori, Huayan Hou,
Deborah Jeanniton, Jared Ehrhart, Kirk Townsend, Jin Zeng, David Morgan,
John Hardy, Terrence Town, and Jun Tan

If only it were so easy; it tastes good and it's good for you. This
week, Rezai-Zadeh et al. report that a component of green tea modulated
amyloid precursor protein (APP) processing in a mouse model of
Alzheimer's disease in vitro and in vivo. Epigallocatechin-3-gallate
(EGCG), the main polyphenolic component of green tea, reduced
{beta}-amyloid (A{beta}) production in neurons cultured from
APP-overexpressing mice (Tg APPSW). Notably, EGCG was more effective
than whole green tea extract. {beta}-secretase and {alpha}-secretase
process APP by parallel amyloidogenic and nonamyloidogenic pathways,
respectively. EGCG boosted activity of the latter pathway, indicated by
increased {alpha}-C-terminal fragment and soluble APP-{alpha}. Tumor
necrosis factor (TNF)-{alpha} converting enzyme (TACE), a candidate
{alpha}-secretase, increased after EGCG treatment, and {alpha}-secretase
activity was reduced by TNF-{alpha} protease inhibitor-1 (TAPI-1), a
selective TACE inhibitor. Treatment of Tg APPSW mice at 12 months of age
with EGCG (provided as intraperitoneal injections, not by teacup) also
promoted {alpha}-secretase activity. After 2 months of treatment,
A{beta}-containing plaques were significantly reduced.
RArmant - 21 Sep 2005 23:18 GMT
> A new generation of dietary supplements containing pure EGCG may lead to
>the greatest benefit for treating Alzheimer's disease
>Dr Doug Shytle

http://www.teavigo.com/
RArmant - 21 Sep 2005 23:59 GMT
>> A new generation of dietary supplements containing pure EGCG may lead to
>>the greatest benefit for treating Alzheimer's disease
>>Dr Doug Shytle
>
>http://www.teavigo.com/

http://store.yahoo.com/iherb/teavigo.html
Jim Chinnis - 22 Sep 2005 00:27 GMT
RArmant <rarmant@sbcglobal.net> wrote in part:

>>> A new generation of dietary supplements containing pure EGCG may lead to
>>>the greatest benefit for treating Alzheimer's disease
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>http://store.yahoo.com/iherb/teavigo.html

Only $5 per day..
--
Jim Chinnis  Warrenton, Virginia, USA  jchinnis@alum.mit.edu
LadyLollipop - 22 Sep 2005 08:18 GMT
<snip lies + harassment>
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> RArmant <rarmant@sbcglobal.net> wrote in part:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>
>>http://store.yahoo.com/iherb/teavigo.html
Jim Chinnis - 22 Sep 2005 18:28 GMT
"LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote in part:

><snip lies + harassment>
>.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>>
>>>http://store.yahoo.com/iherb/teavigo.html

What is the cost of 1600 mg of EGCG? I came up with about $5 US on the site
mentioned. The dose given mice is equivalent to about 1600 mg per day for a
human.

What is it that you disagree with? Or don't you know?
--
Jim Chinnis   Warrenton, Virginia, USA
LadyLollipop - 22 Sep 2005 18:37 GMT
> "LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote in part:
>
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> --
> Jim Chinnis   Warrenton, Virginia, USA

People are not mice.
Mark Probert - 22 Sep 2005 21:09 GMT
>>"LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote in part:
>>
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>
> People are not mice.

You are.
LadyLollipop - 23 Sep 2005 04:36 GMT
Childish and a waste of bandwidth

>>>"LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote in part:
>>>
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>
> You are.
Rich - 23 Sep 2005 07:54 GMT
> Childish and a waste of bandwidth

So now you are a defender of the bandwidth? Perhaps we can discuss it in a
long thread wherein you can post your usual ten to thirty Kbytes of links
and plagiarized material. LOL!
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Mark Probert - 23 Sep 2005 14:33 GMT
> Childish and a waste of bandwidth

So why did you post?
RArmant - 22 Sep 2005 20:44 GMT
>"LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote in part:
>
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>mentioned. The dose given mice is equivalent to about 1600 mg per day for a
>human.

135mg_egcg/cap x 60caps = 8.1g_egcg/bottle
8.1g/$18 = 450mg per dollar
(1600mg/day)/(450mg/$) = $3.56 per day

If you buy 4 bottles at a time:
64/(18 x 4) x $3.56 = $3.16 per day

In the near future there might be less costly sources for egcg -- if it
doesn't get Rx'ed.

Don't forget these mice were bred to simulate Alzheimer's.
A little egcg on a regular basis might  decrease the risk of Alzheimer's
for humans.

DHA appears to arrest the progression of Alzheimer's in mice at about
1.5g per 1000 Calories. Maybe DHA and egcg taken together would be
even more effective against Alzheimer's.
Jim Chinnis - 22 Sep 2005 21:47 GMT
RArmant <rarmant@sbcglobal.net> wrote in part:

>>"LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote in part:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>1.5g per 1000 Calories. Maybe DHA and egcg taken together would be
>even more effective against Alzheimer's.

It's possible. There is also evidence for curcumin.
--
Jim Chinnis   Warrenton, Virginia, USA
 
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