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Rife & Clark actually been scientifically tested??

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Dacomputerguy@gmail.com - 20 Sep 2005 03:01 GMT
    I hesitate to even bring this up, as I find passionate people on
both sides of the fence. I have really been reading up on the Rife /
Clark concepts of parasites, and the effects of a resonate frequency on
Parasites / Bacteria / etc.

    The question that I have never found out, or read about is IF it
works, it should be verifiable. Using accepted scientific Lab methods,
has anyone actually run tests and published the results?

    I'm not necessarily talking about the extremes of Cancer and AIDS.
But do they kill parasites in general? If somebody has a test tube with
various samples of common parasites, and a RIFE generator is 1 foot
away, and properly 'tuned in', is there a verifiable effect?

    With a Clark device, after 3 treatments, if one was to examine
stool samples for the next 3 days, are there traces of Parasites that
have been killed?

    People who claim its all quackery quote (in my opinion) people
that are out on the fringe. It is illegal to state, "Stop taking your
medicines, and follow me". People that are 'believers' have
testimonials by the hundreds, but I find it hard to imagine that there
are no labs or colleges that could not prove / disprove beyond a shadow
of a doubt.

    Does anyone have any actual tested, repeatable, experiments, and
their results? I would be very interested in the answer. "Inquiring
minds want to know" and all that.
Mark Probert - 20 Sep 2005 14:47 GMT
>      I hesitate to even bring this up, as I find passionate people on
> both sides of the fence. I have really been reading up on the Rife /
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> their results? I would be very interested in the answer. "Inquiring
> minds want to know" and all that.

The testing you are looking for would be done, but, it would be bad for
business.
Peter Moran - 20 Sep 2005 21:11 GMT
>     I hesitate to even bring this up, as I find passionate people on
> both sides of the fence. I have really been reading up on the Rife /
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> their results? I would be very interested in the answer. "Inquiring
> minds want to know" and all that.

You have to understand that Clark probably does not own or know how to use a
microscope, chemical testing apparatus, or any conventional research
materials.  She has no medical trianing either, using a mnail-order
Naturopathy degree.

All her research is done using a quack machine, the Syncrometer, a copy of
an older quack machine, the Vega,  which  makes noises on contact with the
sklin determined by skin resistance, and nothing else.

She then interpets the noises (which always sound much the same to other
ears - they were reproduced on a web site once) to mean there is too much
palladium or other rare element, or some tropical paraiste, or cancer,  or
fluoride, or "toxins", or whatever  present.   She has never submitted
herself to blinded testing, and hardly anyone else has been able to get the
damned thing to work as claimed, or, in turn, subject themselves to blinded
testing that would certainly show it to be a crock.

So no real scientist would be seen dead taking her  claims seriously enough
to test them out.   They would be a laughing stock.

An exception is  chap called Lau, who does do some way out research.  He did
some studies on bacterial and cancer cell cultures. 1passing electrical
currents through thgem and found some effects.   These were almost certainly
due to the release of platinum compounds from the electrodes immersed in the
cultures..

But you are quite right.  Her theories could be easily validated and Clark
has been promising some proper research for years.  Pigs might fly..

Peter Moran
LadyLollipop - 20 Sep 2005 22:07 GMT
>>     I hesitate to even bring this up,

You people still can not tell who this is from. Oh that's right, you don't
care.

He hesitates, my foot!

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Ted Nidiffer.

as I find passionate people on
>> both sides of the fence. I have really been reading up on the Rife /
>> Clark concepts of parasites, and the effects of a resonate frequency on
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>
> Peter Moran
Dacomputerguy@gmail.com - 20 Sep 2005 22:47 GMT
The big surprise here is that I have a Road Runner Cable Modem Account.

I'm not looking for mud slinging or name calling, I just want to find
out what works and what doesnt.

A lot of what I have researched tells me that it sounds plausible. What
scientific tests have been run to prove one way or another? Making fun
of someone doesnt mean it doesnt work. I'm looking for something more
specific than he/she is a quack!

It shouldnt be too difficult to do. Who has actually tried the
equipment? Microscopes and 10 samples of Parasites. Apply the method.
Examine the results. Repeat it in front of other people. I think to say
that no one in their right mind would soil their hands by actually
testing it, is a cop out. If it Works, We should adopt it. If it doesnt
work, We should publish the actual verifiable results, stop wasting
time, and move on with our lives.

I guess this is in the form of a CHALLENGE! I have $20.00 on the table
(all I could scrape together) to the person that can scientifically
prove one way or another. Document the steps, list the ingrediants,
publish the results. Allow enough information for somebode else to
repeat the experiment, and the $20.00 IS YOURS!!!!!
HCN - 21 Sep 2005 02:10 GMT
> The big surprise here is that I have a Road Runner Cable Modem Account.
>
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> of someone doesnt mean it doesnt work. I'm looking for something more
> specific than he/she is a quack!

Source of the information?

> It shouldnt be too difficult to do. Who has actually tried the
> equipment? Microscopes and 10 samples of Parasites. Apply the method.
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> (all I could scrape together) to the person that can scientifically
> prove one way or another.

Why not yourself?  Get the equipment... hire a lab, and go for it.

(though realistically it may cost you a bit more than $20)

Document the steps, list the ingrediants,
> publish the results. Allow enough information for somebode else to
> repeat the experiment, and the $20.00 IS YOURS!!!!!
David Wright - 22 Sep 2005 03:39 GMT
>The big surprise here is that I have a Road Runner Cable Modem Account.
>
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>of someone doesnt mean it doesnt work. I'm looking for something more
>specific than he/she is a quack!

Fair enough.  However, I don't understand why you are lumping Rife
together with Hulda -- other than both being "alternative," they don't
have much in common.

Hulda Clark's zapper should raise your skepticism levels to "enormous"
even without any tests.  A little electrical current is going to kill
all kinds of awful stuff deep in your body?  A parasite found only in
southeast Asia is the cause of all cancers?  She's never done any
proper studies of her own claims, so why even bother to worry about
her?

Rife, I don't know.  His supposed wonderous microscope would violate
the laws of physics.  (We can do sub-bandwidth optical microscopes
today, but it requires the use of lasers, which came along decades
after Rife built his microscopes.)  The other stuff, the
"frequencies," strikes me as extremely unlikely; I mean, it's not as
though all bacteria are exactly the same size or shape.  I don't know
of what tests have been done.  Probably make a great science fair
project if you could keep the costs under control.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
 
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