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Metabolife International Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary Alpine Health Products, LLC, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection June 30, 2005 in San Diego, U.S. Bankruptcy Court, Southern District of California http://www.metabolife.com/bankruptcy.jsp 'Captain' of ailing firm makes plea agreement By David Washburn UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER September 8, 2005 Metabolife International co-founder William R. Bradley was arraigned in federal court yesterday on seven counts of tax evasion for illegally funneling millions of dollars in company and personal income through his charitable foundation and several "off-the-books" bank accounts http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/business/20050908-9999-1b8metab.html > Metabolife International Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary Alpine Health > Products, LLC, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection June 30, 2005 in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/business/20050908-9999-1b8metab.html Proper legal action taken against those stealing from shareholders is a good thing, however Weedeater posts this material only because she is a Pharma Blogger bent on denigrating natural medicine. She still has not responded to my rebuttal of her hyperbole about poisoning from vitamins, consequently I have no respect for anything she has to say. PeterB >>Metabolife International Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary Alpine Health >>Products, LLC, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection June 30, 2005 in [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > responded to my rebuttal of her hyperbole about poisoning from > vitamins, consequently I have no respect for anything she has to say. Who cares about your respect? > >>Metabolife International Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary Alpine Health > >>Products, LLC, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection June 30, 2005 in [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Who cares about your respect? I never said Pharma Bloggers care about anything. PB >>>>Metabolife International Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary Alpine Health >>>>Products, LLC, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection June 30, 2005 in [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > I never said Pharma Bloggers care about anything. Petey, this should explain the absolute value(less) of your respect: Your respect and $2.00 can get you a ride on the NY MTA subway. If you remove your respect, the subway still costs $2.00. >Your respect and $2.00 can get you a ride on the NY MTA subway. If you >remove your respect, the subway still costs $2.00. That's way more than your JD is worth since you managed to piss off the Supreme Court of New York and they took away your license to 'practice' law. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SandraProbert.htm >>Your respect and $2.00 can get you a ride on the NY MTA subway. If you >>remove your respect, the subway still costs $2.00. You were quiet for a while. Crawl back into your hole. > >>>>Metabolife International Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary Alpine Health > >>>>Products, LLC, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection June 30, 2005 in [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Your respect and $2.00 can get you a ride on the NY MTA subway. If you > remove your respect, the subway still costs $2.00. If you remove my respect, I keep my $2, and that reduces demand. Eventually, lower revenues depress prices. Isn't that exactly why you're here, Mark? PB >>>>>>Metabolife International Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary Alpine Health >>>>>>Products, LLC, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection June 30, 2005 in [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Eventually, lower revenues depress prices. Isn't that exactly why > you're here, Mark? Petey, you do not have a clue how it works...allow me to explain... Mass transit systems have fixed costs. All rely on a mixture of subsidies (from tax levy) and ridership fees. If the ridership goes down, then they have less money coming in, but, they still have the same expenses. To cover this gap they raise the price of a ride. Of course, in business, this would be done by reducing expenses. Now, as for me being here to reduce your credibility... I cannot possibly reduce your credibility since there is no such thing as *negative credibility*. > >>>>>>Metabolife International Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary Alpine Health > >>>>>>Products, LLC, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection June 30, 2005 in [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > expenses. To cover this gap they raise the price of a ride. Of course, > in business, this would be done by reducing expenses. Unfortuantely, Big Pharma can't escape the realities of supply and demand the way mass transit might. And pricing is still the key to margins in the real world. > Now, as for me being here to reduce your credibility... > > I cannot possibly reduce your credibility since there is no such thing > as *negative credibility*. But you can distract from what is credible, and that you do with every word and post. PeterB >> >>>>>>Metabolife International Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary >> >>>>>>Alpine Health [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > PeterB B I N G O ! >>>>>>>>>Metabolife International Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary >>>>>>>>>Alpine Health [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > B I N G O ! 1. The Mountains Rise The mountains rise and point our thoughts to high ideals. The council fire burns bright and slow to forge the seals. Our visions and desires are wrought through hearts that kneel. We pledge our love and loyalty to Camp Crestridge. In humble reverence stand we now with friends so dear. Surrounded in God's love we feel Thy presence near. With hearts united and attune Your voice we hear. We pledge our love and loyalty to Camp Crestridge. 2. Crestridge Reputation Blues First you take the green and white, Then you take the bear (trap!) Then you take the Crestridge girl, Shout it loud and clear, ra da da! Take a little bit of spirit, Take a little bit of pep (per!) Put them all together, That's Crestridge Reputation! HMMMM, the green and white HMMMM, the bear (trap!) HMMMM, the Crestridge girl Shout it loud and clear, ra da da! Take a little bit of spirit, Take a little bit of pep (per!) Put them all together, That's Crestridge Reputation Blues! 3. God Gave Me You God gave the wise men their wisdom And to the poet his dream. To father and mother their love for each other, But He left me out so it seems. I went around broken hearted, Thinking life was an empty affair. But when God gave me you, It was then that I knew, He had given me more than my share. 4. Picture a Spot Picture a spot of beauty rare, Picture a sky so blue and fair. Paint it with rainbow hues so bright, Then tone it down with shades of night. Frame it with friendships tried and true, Then let it thrill the heart of you. A picture of Camp Crestridge twill be… A challenge to you and to me. 5. Remember Remember the day you came here. Remember when you're away. Remember the friends you've made here, And don't forget to come back someday. Remember the fun you've had here. Remember joys you knew. For you belong to Camp Crestridge And Camp Crestridge belongs to you. 6. Father Time Father Time is a crafty man. And he’s set in his ways. And we know that we never can make him Bring back past days. As campers while we are here Let’s be friends firm and true. We’ll have a gay time, A happy play time, For all love to be with you. 7. Pride of All the South Crestridge the pride of all the South, We’re from Crestridge too. Whenever we go out, The people always shout….they say…. Crestridge the pride of all the South, Da, da, da, da, da, da, da…(Repeat!) 8. Ky Yi Ki Yi Kee I Kuss, Nobody like us. We are the girls from Camp Crestridge. Always a-grinnin’, losin’ or winnin’, Always a feelin’ fine. Ki Yi! Slower version: Farther along we’ll know all about it, Farther along we’ll understand why (understand why). Cheer up my brother, Live in the sunshine, We’ll understand it All by and by. Tempted and tried, we’re often to wonder Why it should be thus all the day long (all the day long). While there are others, Living among us, Never molested Though in the wrong… Ki Yi Kee I Kuss, Nobody like us. We are the girls from Camp Crestridge. Always a-grinnin’, losin’ or winnin’, Always a feelin’ fine. Ki Yi! 9. Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom, Gee Whiz Boom, boom, boom, boom, gee whiz, I’ve got that Crestridge whiz, I’ve got it – all over me. I’ve got it in my ankles, Got it in my knees. I’ve got that Crestridge pep and spirit All over me. 10. Kitty Kitty Kitty kitty kitty kitty wash wash wash wash Kitty I Kitty I Ki Yi Kitty kitty kitty kitty wash wash wash wash Kitty I Kitty I Ki Yi Hail! To Camp Crestridge! All Hail! To Camp Crestridge! All Hail! To Camp Crestridge! Our hearts are ever true to thee, true to thee, true to thee. 11. Boom Boom Ain’t it Great! Boom boom, ain’t it great to be at Crestridge? Boom boom, ain’t it great to be at Crestridge? We sing and play and laugh all day. Boom boom, ain’t it great to be at Crestridge? 12. Old Maid Song He asked me (for a date)…by me he was rejected. Although it would (be great), I might not be respected. …to hold my hand…be grand… …for a hug…be snug… …for a kiss…be bliss… And now I’m old and gray. By men I am neglected. They call me an old maid. But, by gum I’m respected. (Who wants respect?) 13. Chestnut Tree Under the spreading chestnut tree, Under the spreading chestnut tree, With my dolly on my knee, Oh how happy I will be, Under the spreading chestnut tree. 14. St. Peter’s Song When I was a human and lived in the world, I never thought of the gates of pearl. When I got there in the middle of the night, Everything there was green and white. St. Peter said, “I must confess, I see my dear, you’re one of the best. So put up your skirts and sail right through, ‘cause Mrs. St. Peter went to Crestridge, too.” 15. Witchcraft If there were witchcraft, I’d make two wishes: A winding road that beckons me to roam; And then, I’d wish for a blazing campfire, To welcome me when I’m returning home. But in this real world, there is no witchcraft, And golden wishes do not grow on trees. One fondest daydream must be the magic To bring us back to these happy memories. Memories that linger…constant and true. Memories we cherish, Camp Crestridge of you. 16. Typical Crestridge Girl You take the skin from a Johnson baby, You take the smile from Dentyne gum, You take the pep from a box of Wheaties, And for a sunny disposition take a tum (take a tum). And then you put them all together, With a swish and a swirl and a curl. And then before you know it… You’ve got a typical Crestridge girl. 17. Give Me a Man Give me a man who is tall, dark, and tan And who looks like an Esquire ad. Give him physique and a Latin technique And a smile that will drive women mad. Give him some charm that will do him no harm, And that “Come hither” look in his eye. And, when he comes my way, I’ll do my best to make him stay. 18. We Won’t Live in a Castle We won’t live in a castle, But love will light every room. Love will shine in your eyes and mine As bright as the golden moon. (Repeat) Laugh with me in the sunshine. Weep with me in the rain. Want me dear, and you’ll have me near… You’ve only to call my name. 19. Wild Oak Tree Love sits under the wild oak tree. Sugar flows like candy. Top of the mountain shines like gold, When you kiss your love so dandy. Dreams, dreams, sweet dreams! All for you and me…hey! Dreams, dreams, sweet dreams! All for you and me…hey! 20. Tell Me Why Tell me why the stars do shine. Tell me why the ivy twines. Tell me why the sky’s so blue. Tell me Camp Crestridge just why I love you. Because God made the stars to shine. Because God made the ivy twine. Because God made the sky so blue. God made Camp Crestridge, that’s why I love you. 21. Bingo I had a little dog, a funny little dog, And Bingo was his name-o. B-I-N-G-O (G-O), B-I-N-G-O (G-O), B-I-N-G-O (G-O) And Bingo was his name-o. >>>>>>>>Metabolife International Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary Alpine Health >>>>>>>>Products, LLC, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection June 30, 2005 in [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > demand the way mass transit might. And pricing is still the key to > margins in the real world. Neither can the supplement/herb/magic potion industry. >>Now, as for me being here to reduce your credibility... >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > But you can distract from what is credible, and that you do with every > word and post. As you do with this pharmablogger bullshit. > >>>>>>>>Metabolife International Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary Alpine Health > >>>>>>>>Products, LLC, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection June 30, 2005 in [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > As you do with this pharmablogger bullshit. I invite readers to compare your posting history to mine and see who they think is posting bullshit. PB >>>>>>>>>>Metabolife International Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary Alpine Health >>>>>>>>>>Products, LLC, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection June 30, 2005 in [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > I invite readers to compare your posting history to mine and see who > they think is posting bullshit. Have you read very message I ever posted? If not, then do so. > >>>>>>>>>>Metabolife International Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary Alpine Health > >>>>>>>>>>Products, LLC, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection June 30, 2005 in [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Have you read very message I ever posted? If not, then do so. Are you saying that what you've posted in the past few months is not representative of everything you've been posting here for years? PeterB >> >>>>>>>>>>Metabolife International Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary >> >>>>>>>>>>Alpine Health [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > PeterB By that standard, you win the silver belt buckle for bullshitting hands down.  Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ > >> >>>>>>>>>>Metabolife International Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary > >> >>>>>>>>>>Alpine Health [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > By that standard, you win the silver belt buckle for bullshitting hands > down. It's not a standard, just a question. And I haven't been posting here for years... PeterB >>>>>>>>>>>>Metabolife International Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary Alpine Health >>>>>>>>>>>>Products, LLC, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection June 30, 2005 in [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > Are you saying that what you've posted in the past few months is not > representative of everything you've been posting here for years? I am saying that youhave to read everything I post. I have taken morons such as yourself to task for bullshit like pharmabloggers, and have had substantial discussions of serious issues (until someone like you or Jan interjects some form of bullshit). > >>>>>>>>>>>>Metabolife International Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary Alpine Health > >>>>>>>>>>>>Products, LLC, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection June 30, 2005 in [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > substantial discussions of serious issues (until someone like you or Jan > interjects some form of bullshit). Those who read your comments over the past few mths will see you aren't here to discuss issues of health. You spend most of your time assasinating, in virtual terms, those who believe in natural medicine. PeterB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Metabolife International Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary Alpine Health >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Products, LLC, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection June 30, 2005 in [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > here to discuss issues of health. You spend most of your time > assasinating, in virtual terms, those who believe in natural medicine. Wrong. I "assassinate" the bullshit. When the bullshitters do not like it, and go after me, I return the favor. Thus, your treatment with this pharmablogger bullshit. Remember, take a few minutes and get the movie "Forbidden Planet" out and watch it. The 'aliens' are YOUR pharmabloggers. When you accuse those posessing healthy skepticism of being paid "Pharma Bloggers", it actually, yes, looks like BS. It's an old and stupid argument: "Smart people wouldn't disagree with me, so they *must* be paid to do so by the evil pharma-cartel." Mark, MD > When you accuse those posessing healthy skepticism of being paid > "Pharma Bloggers", it actually, yes, looks like BS. I wouldn't describe the comments of our resident pharma bloggers as "healthy sckepticism." They are perjorative and demeaning. > It's an old and stupid argument: "Smart people wouldn't disagree with > me, so they *must* be paid to do so by the evil pharma-cartel." That isn't my argument. I also don't characterize Big Pharma as evil, however the industry is governed by greed and a monopoly approach to health care. PeterB >>When you accuse those posessing healthy skepticism of being paid >>"Pharma Bloggers", it actually, yes, looks like BS. > > I wouldn't describe the comments of our resident pharma bloggers as > "healthy sckepticism." They are perjorative and demeaning. Once you started the pharmablogger bullshit it became so. We recognized it for what it is, a preemptive ad hominem where you set up a system where any skepticism is automatically dismissable by you. It is a creature of your doing. Reminds me of an old sci-fi movie Forbidden Planet. See if you can find it and see if you can understand the creature who is attacking the humans. Those creatures are your imaginary pharmabloggers. (Damn...this is the analogy that I have been trying to recall for months.) >>It's an old and stupid argument: "Smart people wouldn't disagree with >>me, so they *must* be paid to do so by the evil pharma-cartel." > > That isn't my argument. I also don't characterize Big Pharma as evil, > however the industry is governed by greed and a monopoly approach to > health care. Horsecrap. > >>When you accuse those posessing healthy skepticism of being paid > >>"Pharma Bloggers", it actually, yes, looks like BS. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > it for what it is, a preemptive ad hominem where you set up a system > where any skepticism is automatically dismissable by you. Not at all. I began using that term because you and your team were not engaging in a genuine discussion. For instance, my early posting during 2004 was about vitamin c and scurvy. A set of comments lifted from the medical textbooks brought a deluge of condemnation from half a dozen posters. It didn't make sense. When I mentioned that one of the drug makers had attempted to manufacture a cure for scurvy, but failed, the ridicule was raised to a new level, and I was accused of having made it up. Then I located the reference and posted it, but no one acknowledged the veracity of my observations. I found that strange, but I still wasn't suspicious. Later, when I talked about the problem of toxic exposures and their affects on human health, more than a dozen posters came out to debunk my study references using industry terms and jargon so stilted, I knew they were using an industry handbook. Consequently, I have changed my entire approach to participating in these newsgroups. > It is a > creature of your doing. Reminds me of an old sci-fi movie Forbidden > Planet. See if you can find it and see if you can understand the > creature who is attacking the humans. Those creatures are your imaginary > pharmabloggers. This may be virtual reality, but it's not a movie. > (Damn...this is the analogy that I have been trying to recall for months.) Analogies are used to illustrate a point, they aren't reality in and of themselves. > >>It's an old and stupid argument: "Smart people wouldn't disagree with > >>me, so they *must* be paid to do so by the evil pharma-cartel." [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Horsecrap. Prove it. PeterB >>>>When you accuse those posessing healthy skepticism of being paid >>>>"Pharma Bloggers", it actually, yes, looks like BS. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > engaging in a genuine discussion. For instance, my early posting > during 2004 was about vitamin c and scurvy. Wasn't that where you claimed that treating scurvy with vitamin C was alt-med while all the time it was figured out scientifically, by a conventional doctor, what the cause and cure for scurvy was? Wasn't that where you came close to claiming that since vitamin C cures scurvy, everyone should take vitamin C supplements (clearly pushing the agenda of your supplement industry masters)? That posting? > A set of comments lifted from the medical textbooks brought a deluge of condemnation from half a > dozen posters. It didn't make sense. Yes it did. You started calling a perfectly conventional and scientific approach to healthproblems (scurvy in this case) alternative medicine so you simply got the comments you deserved. > When I mentioned that one of the drug makers had attempted to manufacture a cure for > scurvy, but failed, the ridicule was raised to a new level, and I was accused of having > made it up. Then I located the reference and posted it, but no one > acknowledged the veracity of my observations. Could you repost that reference? I'm curious which 'drug maker' was around in the days that scurve was a problem. Merck? Pfizer? Bayer? Or was it that French doctor who owned the largest leechfarm in Europe? > I found that strange, but I still wasn't suspicious. Later, when I talked about the problem > of toxic exposures and their affects on human health, more than a dozen > posters came out to debunk my study references using industry terms and > jargon so stilted, I knew they were using an industry handbook. So if people know what they're talking about and know the jargon, they're using an industry handbook. I see. By that standard you are a 'pharma-blogger' as well. Oops, sorry, I forgot, you're an alt-blogger, using an alt-industry handbook. After all, you're part of a dozen or so posters that are all using alt-industry terms and alt-jargon so stilted, I just know you're using a handbook. Nobody can be dense enough to come up with that stuff on their own. > Consequently, I have changed my entire approach to participating in > these newsgroups. By posting conspiracy crap and abandoning all substance. And you find it amazing that it comes right back at ya? Yup, 'Forbidden Planet' is the analogy for your behaviour. >>It is a >>creature of your doing. Reminds me of an old sci-fi movie Forbidden [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Analogies are used to illustrate a point, they aren't reality in and of > themselves. Contrary to you and your fellow alt-bloggers, most posters here are grown ups who figured that out long before you did. >>>>It's an old and stupid argument: "Smart people wouldn't disagree with >>>>me, so they *must* be paid to do so by the evil pharma-cartel." [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > PeterB Says the man who accuses people of being paid shills and industry lackeys without a shred of evidence except for the paranoid delusions of his own mind. BTW, what natural cure would you advise for paranoia? >>>>When you accuse those posessing healthy skepticism of being paid >>>>"Pharma Bloggers", it actually, yes, looks like BS. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Not at all. I began using that term because you and your team were not > engaging in a genuine discussion. My "team" is not here. You began using it for the purpose of discrediting people. Period. You can deny all you want, but, any intelligent person who reads your posts where you use the term knows better. For instance, my early posting > during 2004 was about vitamin c and scurvy. A set of comments lifted > from the medical textbooks brought a deluge of condemnation from half a [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > This may be virtual reality, but it's not a movie. True, but the movie dipicts you perfectly. >>(Damn...this is the analogy that I have been trying to recall for months.) > > Analogies are used to illustrate a point, they aren't reality in and of > themselves. Of course. However, this analogy is *perfect*. >>>>It's an old and stupid argument: "Smart people wouldn't disagree with >>>>me, so they *must* be paid to do so by the evil pharma-cartel." [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Prove it. You do a fine job of it. read your own posts. > >>>>When you accuse those posessing healthy skepticism of being paid > >>>>"Pharma Bloggers", it actually, yes, looks like BS. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > intelligent person who reads your posts where you use the term knows > better. You and your fellow pharma bloggers discredit yourselves. I'm just here to point it out. > For instance, my early posting > > during 2004 was about vitamin c and scurvy. A set of comments lifted [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > True, but the movie dipicts you perfectly. Then consider the movie Bladerunner. You remind me of those portrayed as authorities who justify their persecution of artificial humans in order to protect the status quo. The irony is that the manufactured people were more human than those who created them, and this effort to control others is an expression of our love of status and money, not the truth. > >>(Damn...this is the analogy that I have been trying to recall for months.) > > > > Analogies are used to illustrate a point, they aren't reality in and of > > themselves. > > Of course. However, this analogy is *perfect*. It might be, if I saw you as the "enemy." Do you see me as the "enemy?" > >>>>It's an old and stupid argument: "Smart people wouldn't disagree with > >>>>me, so they *must* be paid to do so by the evil pharma-cartel." [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You do a fine job of it. read your own posts. You make many assumptions, which makes you an a.s. PB > > >>>>When you accuse those posessing healthy skepticism of being paid > > >>>>"Pharma Bloggers", it actually, yes, looks like BS. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > You and your fellow pharma bloggers discredit yourselves. I'm just > here to point it out. LOL. He's here to discredit the product of his imagination? > > For instance, my early posting > > > during 2004 was about vitamin c and scurvy. A set of comments lifted [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Then consider the movie Bladerunner. You remind me of those portrayed > as authorities We're not in authority. > who justify their persecution of artificial humans We're not persecuting anybody. (Unless he seriously thinks he's being persecuted because people disagree with him.) > in > order to protect the status quo. The status quo in medicine is in constant flux as new research emerges. All in favour? > The irony is that the manufactured > people were more human than those who created them, and this effort to > control others is an expression of our love of status and money, not > the truth. Bless. It's a love of status and money that means we prefer to have evidence of it's effectiveness before we use a treatment? > > >>(Damn...this is the analogy that I have been trying to recall for months.) > > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > It might be, if I saw you as the "enemy." Well, he has said that people who disagree with him are being paid by pharmeceutical companies to silence him. I would consider that an act of extreme unfriendliness, at least. Of course, he's never come up with a single piece of evidence to support his ridiculous paranoia. Perhaps he doesn't really believe it either. > Do you see me as the > "enemy?" Oh, most just see him as a paranoid halfwit. Worth a giggle, say. > > >>>>It's an old and stupid argument: "Smart people wouldn't disagree with > > >>>>me, so they *must* be paid to do so by the evil pharma-cartel." [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > You make many assumptions, which makes you an a.s. Oh, lord, to list the ridiculous assumptions Petey has made would be a labour of Heracles. Not least is the one that anyone who disagrees with him is being paid... Cathy > PB >>>>>>>When you accuse those posessing healthy skepticism of being paid >>>>>>>"Pharma Bloggers", it actually, yes, looks like BS. [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > We're not in authority. However, claiming that we are fortifies Petey's paranoia and makes the bogeyman stronger. >>who justify their persecution of artificial humans > > We're not persecuting anybody. (Unless he seriously thinks he's being > persecuted because people disagree with him.) Another sign of paranoia. >>in >>order to protect the status quo. > The status quo in medicine is in constant flux as new research emerges. > All in favour? Status quo? Does petey realize that there is no such thing? >> The irony is that the manufactured >>people were more human than those who created them, and this effort to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Bless. It's a love of status and money that means we prefer to have > evidence of it's effectiveness before we use a treatment? No one said that paranoia is logical. >>>>>(Damn...this is the analogy that I have been trying to recall for months.) >>>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >>It might be, if I saw you as the "enemy." > Well, he has said that people who disagree with him are being paid by > pharmeceutical companies to silence him. I would consider that an act > of extreme unfriendliness, at least. > Of course, he's never come up with a single piece of evidence to > support his ridiculous paranoia. Perhaps he doesn't really believe it > either. Petey does not "do evidence." >> Do you see me as the >>"enemy?" > > Oh, most just see him as a paranoid halfwit. Worth a giggle, say. You meant Petey. >>>>>>>It's an old and stupid argument: "Smart people wouldn't disagree with >>>>>>>me, so they *must* be paid to do so by the evil pharma-cartel." [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >>PB >> The status quo in medicine is in constant flux as new research emerges. >> All in favour? > > Status quo? Does petey realize that there is no such thing? ". . . status quo . . . is in constant flux . . ." I missed that knee slapper oxymoron. ;o) Rich > >> The status quo in medicine is in constant flux as new research emerges. > >> All in favour? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ;o) Rich LOL. Bugger. Me too:) Cathy > >> The status quo in medicine is in constant flux as new research emerges. > >> All in favour? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ;o) Rich Well, you're laughing at cathy (appropriately enough) because that was HER comment, not mine. Care to retract your friendly fire after the fact? PeterB >> Then consider the movie Bladerunner. You remind me of those portrayed >> as authorities Peter drops yet another hint that he takes his worldview from the movies and television. >> who justify their persecution of artificial humans > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Oh, most just see him as a paranoid halfwit. Worth a giggle, say. Yes, it's too silly to even make a good movie plot. > Oh, lord, to list the ridiculous assumptions Petey has made would be a > labour of Heracles. Not least is the one that anyone who disagrees with > him is being paid... To think that his writing is so influential that a huge segment of industry is aware of it and needs to pay a team of hired guns to refute it isn't just paranoid, it's megamaniacal. Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ >>>Then consider the movie Bladerunner. You remind me of those portrayed >>>as authorities > > Peter drops yet another hint that he takes his worldview from the movies and > television. In fairness to Petey, I raised the movie Forbidden Planet with Walter Pidgeon, as a perfect analogy to his creation of the pharmablogger. >>>who justify their persecution of artificial humans >> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > is aware of it and needs to pay a team of hired guns to refute it isn't just > paranoid, it's megamaniacal. > >> Then consider the movie Bladerunner. You remind me of those portrayed > >> as authorities > > Peter drops yet another hint that he takes his worldview from the movies and > television. Mark used a movie analogy, so I responded. > >> who justify their persecution of artificial humans > > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Yes, it's too silly to even make a good movie plot. I would say your obsession with Jan is worth a movie script, however. > > Oh, lord, to list the ridiculous assumptions Petey has made would be a > > labour of Heracles. Not least is the one that anyone who disagrees with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > is aware of it and needs to pay a team of hired guns to refute it isn't just > paranoid, it's megamaniacal. You were here first... PB >>>>Then consider the movie Bladerunner. You remind me of those portrayed >>>>as authorities [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Mark used a movie analogy, so I responded. True. Mine was accurate, yours was not. >>>>who justify their persecution of artificial humans >>> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > I would say your obsession with Jan is worth a movie script, however. Nah... >>>Oh, lord, to list the ridiculous assumptions Petey has made would be a >>>labour of Heracles. Not least is the one that anyone who disagrees with [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You were here first... So? >>>>>>When you accuse those posessing healthy skepticism of being paid >>>>>>"Pharma Bloggers", it actually, yes, looks like BS. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > You and your fellow pharma bloggers discredit yourselves. I'm just > here to point it out. Of course you would say that. It is not true, but a convenient way for you to discredit what you cannot handle. >>For instance, my early posting >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > control others is an expression of our love of status and money, not > the truth. That is a bogus analogy since your suppositions, i.e., that there is a desire to control others, and that this desire is an expression of love of status and money, is based solely within your paranoia. However, you mentioning this does fortify my claim that Forbidden Planet accurate depicts what you are doing. >>>>(Damn...this is the analogy that I have been trying to recall for months.) >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It might be, if I saw you as the "enemy." Do you see me as the > "enemy?" No, I see you as a clueless twit who needed to create a bogeyman just like Dr. Edward Morbius did. >>>>>>It's an old and stupid argument: "Smart people wouldn't disagree with >>>>>>me, so they *must* be paid to do so by the evil pharma-cartel." [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > You make many assumptions, which makes you an a.s. OOOOOOOHHHH....you called me an a.s. Ouch. I am so hurt. I'll put a magnet on it and it will go away. > >>>>>>When you accuse those posessing healthy skepticism of being paid > >>>>>>"Pharma Bloggers", it actually, yes, looks like BS. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Of course you would say that. It is not true, but a convenient way for > you to discredit what you cannot handle. What I cannot handle? You truly are becoming a comedian. I laugh at you all the time now. > >>For instance, my early posting > >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > desire to control others, and that this desire is an expression of love > of status and money, is based solely within your paranoia. The desire to control markets is what I am talking about, because that's how monopolies operate. The DOJ, for instance, forced AT&T to divest in 1984 so that competition would enter telecom. If this were to happen in the pharmaceutical industry, it would be disastrous for your sponsors. One can argue about the psychological state precipitating these behaviours, and one can argue about which came first, greed or goodwill, but in the end, actions determine motivation. > However, you mentioning this does fortify my claim that Forbidden Planet > accurate depicts what you are doing. You've built an entire career on whispers, why should now be any different? > >>>>(Damn...this is the analogy that I have been trying to recall for months.) > >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > No, I see you as a clueless twit who needed to create a bogeyman just > like Dr. Edward Morbius did. Dr. Edward Morbius? You sure know your Forbidden Planet. Got any moon rocks? > >>>>>>It's an old and stupid argument: "Smart people wouldn't disagree with > >>>>>>me, so they *must* be paid to do so by the evil pharma-cartel." [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > OOOOOOOHHHH....you called me an a.s. Ouch. I am so hurt. I'll put a > magnet on it and it will go away. You're back there anyway, try kissing it. PeterB >>>>>>>>When you accuse those posessing healthy skepticism of being paid >>>>>>>>"Pharma Bloggers", it actually, yes, looks like BS. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > What I cannot handle? Facts, dumbass. I was just being amused by your twisting and turning in the thread where you and Rich are discussing the flu vaccine. You truly are becoming a comedian. I laugh at > you all the time now. Projecting with a refrigerator bulb. >>>>For instance, my early posting >>>> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > The desire to control markets is what I am talking about, because > that's how monopolies operate. More twisting. The DOJ, for instance, forced AT&T to > divest in 1984 so that competition would enter telecom. If this were > to happen in the pharmaceutical industry, it would be disastrous for > your sponsors. a.shole. One can argue about the psychological state > precipitating these behaviours, and one can argue about which came > first, greed or goodwill, but in the end, actions determine motivation. >>However, you mentioning this does fortify my claim that Forbidden Planet >>accurate depicts what you are doing. > > You've built an entire career on whispers, why should now be any > different? Not really, dumbass. >>>>>>(Damn...this is the analogy that I have been trying to recall for months.) >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Dr. Edward Morbius? You sure know your Forbidden Planet. Got any moon > rocks? This is the only moon you need: http://tinyurl.com/cz27t >>>>>>>>It's an old and stupid argument: "Smart people wouldn't disagree with >>>>>>>>me, so they *must* be paid to do so by the evil pharma-cartel." [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > You're back there anyway, try kissing it. http://tinyurl.com/cz27t > >>>>>>>>When you accuse those posessing healthy skepticism of being paid > >>>>>>>>"Pharma Bloggers", it actually, yes, looks like BS. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Facts, dumbass. I was just being amused by your twisting and turning in > the thread where you and Rich are discussing the flu vaccine. Facts? Rich purposely distorted the quote he lifted by ignoring the word "complications," as I'm sure you noticed. I realize you have to "play dumb" from time to time in order to score a few easy points, but that's where your script lets you down... > You truly are becoming a comedian. I laugh at > > you all the time now. > > Projecting with a refrigerator bulb. I have a cold audience. > >>>>For instance, my early posting > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > More twisting. No, I'm pointing out that monopolies (ie., control) are about profits. > The DOJ, for instance, forced AT&T to > > divest in 1984 so that competition would enter telecom. If this were > > to happen in the pharmaceutical industry, it would be disastrous for > > your sponsors. > > a.shole. I guess I got on his bad side earlier. > One can argue about the psychological state > > precipitating these behaviours, and one can argue about which came [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Not really, dumbass. Why all the name calling, Mark? Can't you just stick to the script? > >>>>>>(Damn...this is the analogy that I have been trying to recall for months.) > >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > http://tinyurl.com/cz27t That's right, let that stress just melt away...the script is NOT your master... PeterB |
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