That's NOT what you said.

You said, I will repeat it for you, therefore you L I E D, as USUAL.

You are pathetic.

However, I do note that you

      Peter Bowditch   Jun 27, 2:04 am     hide options

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From this week's update to The Millenium Project

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/

Dr Death

I was criticised recently for lack of balance in my choices of which
forms and instances of medical fraud to feature here. The specific
complaint was that I didn't have a page on this site about Dr Jayant
Patel, late of Bundaberg Hospital in Queensland, Australia. My first
response was that I don't have a page about every quack or charlatan
in the world, not even all those whose web sites are listed here. My
second response was that Dr Patel does not appear to have a web site
himself, and nobody seems to have one supporting him. My third point
was that Dr Patel was not practising quackery but was just a
dangerously incompetent doctor. That wasn't good enough, and it was
claimed that by not having something to say about him I was condoning
his behaviour and I was exhibiting a double standard by criticising
quacks but not members of something called "evil organised medicine".
In fact, I was protecting him by not calling him a quack and it was
all part of some form of cover-up.

To people outside Australia (and those within who have been in a coma
or otherwise disconnected from the world for the last few weeks) the
name Dr Jayant Patel might mean nothing, but he was a doctor who
managed to get a job at Bundaberg Hospital by lying about his
qualifications and overseas experience. It now seems that he may have
been directly responsible for the deaths of at least 87 patients. He
may not have deliberately killed them, but his negligence and
ignorance did. His hiring has revealed a huge hole in the recruitment
practices of whoever it was that let him have a job, and the extent of
the damage has shown that better methods of whistleblowing are
required. Dr Patel has fled the country and nobody knows where he is.

Quackery supporters are using Dr Patel as an example of the dangers of
real medicine as compared to the absolute safety of alternatives. I
have been challenged to name a single alternative practitioner who has
killed 87 people. The facts are that real medicine has methods to deal
with disasters like this, but alternative medicine hasn't even any
useful system of adverse event reporting. There is a government
enquiry under way, the recruitment and reporting problems are being
identified and corrected, Dr Patel will be charged with criminal
offences (manslaughter at least, possibly even murder), his
extradition to Australia will be sought as soon as he is located, and
he is looking forward to a long time behind bars. This was not a case
of medical fraud, but one of a failure of management. It is a tragedy
and a disgrace, but something is being done to stop it happening
again.

One delightful irony of this whole matter is that Dr Patel apparently
said that it was not necessary to wash hands between patients because
germs mean nothing. It is rather bizarre to see people holding these
comments up as examples of the incorrect thinking of real doctors when
those same people accept chiropractic, naturopathy, energy medicine,
acupuncture, homeopathy and other magical medical paradigms in which
pathogenic organisms play no part. But then, hypocrisy is never short
on the ground when quacks start criticising medicine.

FALSE.

Note that PETER did not say alternatives are not absolutely safe.

It proves he made it up, like he does most of his claims.

As anyone can see above he was clearly talking of MHA!

It is a quote from Peter and it is on his website and you can see above, it
is also the very same piece I linked to.

I have, YOU can go back and find it. It is also on his website

YES, it is.

I have never been a liar, nor a thief.

That being said, Rich uses this, when he doesn't want to hear the truth.

That's NOT what Barrett said!

*While a few of those so accredited are naive physicians, most are
nonmedical persons who only play
at being doctor and use this certification as an umbrella for a host of
unproven New Age hokum treatments. Unfortunately, a few HMOs, hospitals, and
even medical schools are succumbing to the bait and exposing patients to
such bogus treatments when they need real medical care*

The National Council Against Health Fraud has concluded:

 a.. Acupuncture is an unproven modality of treatment

That clearly is a LIE!!!!!

That said, both you and Barrett are liars, there are abstracts proving the
effectiveness of acupuncture, it is now being used in convention medicine,
insurance companies are paying for it

YOU can read it, yet you STILL say Barrett is not lying, Peter is not lying.

You are a hopless, liar, Rich Shewmaker.

http://rheumatology.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/42/12/1508

http://tinyurl.com/7ajgz

Migraine and tension headache--a complementary and alternative medicine
approach.

Woolhouse M.

michellewoolho...@hotmail.com

BACKGROUND: Migraine and tension headache are common--affecting up to 10%
and 40% of the Australian population respectively--and result in significant
reduction in social activities and work capacity for sufferers. OBJECTIVE:
This article considers the evidence for the use of a range of complementary
therapies and treatment in the prevention and management of both migraine
and tension headache. DISCUSSION: Migraine and tension headache can have
many precipitating factors. Considering dietary and environmental factors
complements a migraine/headache consultation. There is evidence for the role
of mind-body approaches, nutritional supplements such as riboflavin and
magnesium, and acupuncture in the treatment of headache. By using a holistic
approach we may be able to tailor a treatment program that is both effective
and safe.

PMID: 16113701 [PubMed - in process]

http://tinyurl.com/ahbvy

     1: Health Technol Assess. 2005 Aug;9(32):1-126. Related Articles,
Links

Longer term clinical and economic benefits of offering acupuncture care to
patients with chronic low back pain.

Thomas KJ, Macpherson H, Ratcliffe J, Thorpe L, Brazier J, Campbell M,
Fitter M, Roman M, Walters S, Nicholl JP.

School of Health and Related Research (ScHARR), University of Sheffield, UK.

OBJECTIVES: To test whether patients with persistent non-specific low back
pain, when offered access to traditional acupuncture care alongside
conventional primary care, gained more long-term relief from pain than those
offered conventional care only, for equal or less cost. Safety and
acceptability of acupuncture care to patients, and the heterogeneity of
outcomes were also tested. DESIGN: A pragmatic, two parallel group,
randomised controlled trial. Patients in the experimental arm were offered
the option of referral to the acupuncture service comprising six
acupuncturists. The control group received usual care from their general
practitioner (GP). Eligible patients were randomised in a ratio of 2:1 to
the offer of acupuncture to allow between-acupuncturist effects to be
tested. SETTING: Three non-NHS acupuncture clinics, with referrals from 39
GPs working in 16 practices in York, UK. PARTICIPANTS: Patients aged 18--65
years with non-specific low back pain of 4--52 weeks' duration, assessed as
suitable for primary care management by their general practitioner.
INTERVENTIONS: The trial protocol allowed up to ten individualised
acupuncture treatments per patient. The acupuncturist determined the content
and the number of treatments according to patient need. MAIN OUTCOME
MEASURES: The Short Form 36 (SF-36) Bodily Pain dimension (range 0--100
points), assessed at baseline, and 3, 12 and 24 months. The study was
powered to detect a 10-point difference between groups at 12 months
post-randomisation. Cost--utility analysis was conducted at 24 months using
the EuroQoL 5 Dimensions (EQ-5D) and a preference-based single index measure
derived from the SF-36 (SF-6D). Secondary outcomes included the McGill
Present Pain Index (PPI), Oswestry Pain Disability Index (ODI), all other
SF-36 dimensions, medication use, pain-free months in the past year, worry
about back pain, satisfaction with care received, and safety and
acceptability of acupuncture care. RESULTS: A total of 159 patients were in
the 'acupuncture offer' arm and 80 in the 'usual care' arm. All 159 patients
randomised to the offer of acupuncture care chose to receive acupuncture
treatment, and received an average of eight acupuncture treatments within
the trial. Analysis of covariance, adjusting for baseline score, found an
intervention effect of 5.6 points on the SF-36 Pain dimension [95%
confidence interval (CI) -1.3 to 12.5] in favour of the acupuncture group at
12 months, and 8 points (95% CI 0.7 to 15.3) at 24 months. No evidence of
heterogeneity of effect was found for the different acupuncturists. Patients
receiving acupuncture care did not report any serious or life-threatening
events. No significant treatment effect was found for any of the SF-36
dimensions other than Pain, or for the PPI or the ODI. Patients receiving
acupuncture care reported a significantly greater reduction in worry about
their back pain at 12 and 24 months compared with the usual care group. At
24 months, the acupuncture care group was significantly more likely to
report 12 months pain free and less likely to report the use of medication
for pain relief. The acupuncture service was found to be cost-effective at
24 months; the estimated cost per quality-adjusted (QALY) was pound4241 (95%
CI pound191 to pound28,026) using the SF-6D scoring algorithm based on
responses to the SF-36, and pound3598 (95% CI pound189 to pound22,035) using
the EQ-5D health status instrument. The NHS costs were greater in the
acupuncture care group than in the usual care group. However, the additional
resource use was less than the costs of the acupuncture treatment itself,
suggesting that some usual care resource use was offset. CONCLUSIONS:
Traditional acupuncture care delivered in a primary care setting was safe
and acceptable to patients with non-specific low back pain. Acupuncture care
and usual care were both associated with clinically significant improvement
at 12- and 24-month follow-up. Acupuncture care was significantly more
effective in reducing bodily pain than usual care at 24-month follow-up. No
benefits relating to function or disability were identified. GP referral to
a service providing traditional acupuncture care offers a cost-effective
intervention for reducing low back pain over a 2-year period. Further
research is needed to examine many aspects of this treatment including its
impact compared with other possible short-term packages of care (such as
massage, chiropractic or physiotherapy), various aspects of
cost-effectiveness, value to patients and implementation protocols.

PMID: 16095547 [PubMed - in process]
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Alternative therapy" is a marketing term that should not be permitted.

I can refute that as coming from an ignorant BLATANT control freak.

QUACK QUACK.

Cue for ALL the *gang* control freaks to post with their usual blatant lies
and personal trashing, just watch.

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