C-SECTION DOESN'T PREVENT URINARY INCONTINENCE?
See the very end of this post...
EPA vs. THE ELDERLY...
Many people are in nursing homes in part because of urinary and/or fecal
incontinence...
Some people might be in nursing homes in part because of EPA scientific
fraud that kept their drinking water poisoned....
Carton and Hirzy [1998] write:
"[T]here is every reason to believe that the increasing numbers of people
with carpal-tunnel syndrome and arthritic-like pains are due to the mass
fluoridation of drinking water..."
--Robert J. Carton, Ph.D.
--J. William Hirzy, Ph.D.
National Treasury Employees Union, Chapter 280 Washington, D.C.
June 1998
http://www.slweb.org/naep-code.html
This notion that some people might be in nursing homes in part because EPA
poisoned their drinking water occurred to me after I wrote:
Infant formula, mass child abuse, EPA - and kids' teeth 'gross enough to gag
a maggot'
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/3864
TWITTERING ONE at twitteringone@aol.com replied:
> "!STOP
>
> !Nursing! !Home! !Abuse!
>
> TOO,
> ~ Folly
Twittering One's point is well taken.
One indirect way to stop nursing home abuse is to prevent for as long as
possible any elder abuse which puts people in nursing homes in the first
place.
Forcing people to take medication all their lives - medication which may be
causing musculoskeletal problems - might be considered a form of early elder
abuse.
Interestingly, the common law doctrine of informed consent indicates that
even if fluoridation PREVENTS musculoskeletal problems - it is assault and
battery to give it without consent.
LOOK WHAT EPA DID...
SCIENTIFIC FRAUD...
FULLER EXCERPT OF CARTON AND HIRZY [1998]:
...Like dental fluorosis, skeletal fluorosis is the result of fluoride
interfering with the normal production and remineralization of collagen.
When discussing this disease, experts inevitably refer back to the classic
1937 study by Dr. Kaj Roholm on Danish cryolite workers. 21 Summarizing
Roholm's work, the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) described three
progressive stages of the disease. 22 In Phase 1, X-rays begin to show
changes in the bones of the pelvis and vertebrae. By the time Phase 3 (CSF)
is reached, all bones are affected, particularly cancellous bones, and the
bones in the extremities are thickened. There is also considerable
calcification of the ligaments of neck and vertebral column. In some cases,
the vertebrae in the spine are actually fused.
Phase 1 is not just a subclinical stage of the disease seen on X-rays.
Roholm found that 10 of 26 workers with Phase 1 had rheumatic pains compared
to 1 of 11 workers with no sign of osteosclerosis in their x-rays. Half of
all workers with Phase 1 and 2 had a reduced ability to rotate their upper
torso. Workers exposed for as little as 2.4 years had Phase 1 of the
disease, exposure for 4.8 years for Phase 2, and 11.2 years for Phase 3. EPA
inexplicably set the standard based only on the third Phase, CSF. From a
professional health point of view, it is impossible to claim that arthritic
pains and reduced body flexibility are not adverse health effects. One can
only conclude that not considering Phases 1 and 2 skeletal fluorosis was
done to avoid a conflict with current health policy, i.e. its unequivocal
pronouncement of safety for water fluoridation.
The Daily Dose and Time Required to Cause CSF
In his letter transmitting the final report of the Committee to EPA, Surgeon
General Koop said that arthritis and CSF both begin to occur simultaneously,
when fluoride consumption exceeds 20 mg/day. He also added the caveat that
it takes more than 20 years to cause these effects. His assertion differed
from the conclusion of the National Academy of Science, which also was a
source of advice to EPA on this matter. The NAS, according to EPA in the
proposed regulation, reported that it takes only 10 years to cause CSF at a
dose of 20 mg/day. EPA, however, decided in the proposed regulation to use
Dr. Koop's numbers:
". . .EPA agrees with the Surgeon General that crippling skeletal fluorosis
is an adverse health effect which results from intakes of fluoride of 20
mg/day over periods of 20 years or more."
Two concerned citizens have identified some serious problems with both the
NAS and EPA claims of the dose/time necessary to cause CSF. Ms. Martha Bevis
of the Safe Water Foundation of Texas could not find where the 20 mg/day was
actually derived. Going back to the original work by Roholm she found that
he mentioned a figure of 0.2 mg per kg of body weight, which for the
standard 70 kg man would translate into 14 mg. Ms. Darlene Sherrell went
further and found that, in 1979, Dr. Hodge had changed his much quoted
dose/time figures to a minimum of 10 mg/day for 10-20 years. 23 (emphasis
added) EPA referenced the 1979 paper, but used the Surgeon General's figures
which were higher for reasons that can only be considered suspect. (Note:
While EPA has not yet corrected its figures to correspond to Hodge's reduced
figures, the NAS did so in 199324.)
There is another serious deficiency with the dose/time figures used by EPA.
The Act requires the regulations to protect everyone, not just 20-year-olds.
The Committee stated in its final report that "Fluoride in bone increase
with age and linearly in relation to fluoride intake." Therefore, it would
seem logical to conclude that if 20 mg caused CSF in 20 years, then 10 mg
would cause CSF in 40 years. Simple arithmetic tells you that only 5.7 mg a
day for a lifetime of 70 years could cause CSF. This calculation was never
done. If it were done (starting with the correct figures of 10 mg/day for 10
years) fluoridation would be stopped today.
Fluoride Dose from Current Standard of 4 mg/l.
In proposing the RMCL of 4 mg/l, EPA noted that 1% of the population drink
more than 5.5 liters/day. This means these individuals could be ingesting 22
mg/day or more from drinking water alone. Since EPA stated unequivocally
that 20 mg/day for 20 or more years caused CSF (forgetting for a moment that
these figures are incorrect), EPA admitted to violating the Act which
requires the standard to be set so that no one is at risk of an adverse
health effect, in this case CSF. Although the raw data about water
consumption were contained in the proposed regulation, the simple
calculation presented here was nowhere to be found.
In reality, most water supplies that are not contaminated with industrial
pollution, have low levels of naturally occurring fluoride. Surface waters
generally average about 0.2 mg/l. Where fluoride is added to water (which is
65% of the country), the level is raised to approximately 1.0 mg/l. Based on
Roholms' work and other recent studies, there is every reason to believe
that the increasing numbers of people with carpal-tunnel syndrome and
arthritic-like pains are due to the mass fluoridation of drinking water...
...We are unable to present all the details of scientific fraud that
occurred...
>>>>>>END excerpt of Carton and Hirzy [1998]
TO END FLUORIDATION...
TWO KEY FACTS...
1. CDC's Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry/ATSDR "work[s]
with states and other federal agencies to prevent exposure to hazardous
substances from waste sites."
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/DRO/r 1.html
2. Hazardous substances (hydrofluorosilicic acid, arsenic and lead) -
derived from waste sites (phosphate fertilizer pollution scrubbers) - are
being injected into America's water supply. (Some municipalities are using
"pure" poison - sodium fluoride.)
State attorney generals should immediately begin working with CDC and end
fluoridation immediately.
USENET READERS: Please sign the petition at:
http://www.powalliance.org/petition/index.html
Please leave a comment urging Members of Congress to demand that **state
attorney generals** stop the mass water poisoning crime so Congress
doesn¹t need to get involved.
BACK TO NURSING HOMES...
Some elderly develop incontinence in nursing homes...
Wisconsin researchers recently found that the use of patient restraints in
nursing homes is the most significant cause for the development of
incontinence in nursing homes...
--Maturitas. 2005 Sep 16;52(1):26-31. Epub 2005 Jan 19. PubMed abstract
The development of incontinence is a factor that sends some women TO nursing
homes...
As some readers may be aware, my focus is stopping obstetricians from
closing birth canals up to 30% and from robbing babies of up to 50% of their
blood volume.
See Arresting obstetricians - Lt. Bill Hunt: 11165PC Suspected (Mass) Child
Abuse Report
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/3848
Just now when I went to look for evidence that vaginal birth increased the
prevalence of urinary incontinence, I found evidence that it doesn't, as in,
"Cesarean section does not decrease the risk of urinary or fecal
incontinence compared to pregnancy with a vaginal delivery."
Am J Obstet Gynecol. 2005 Aug;193(2):512-7; discussion 517-8.
McKinnie V, Swift SE, Wang W, Woodman P, O'Boyle A, Kahn M, Valley M, Bland
D, Schaffer J.
Korean nurses [Oh and Kim, 2005] recently indicated that severity of urinary
incontinence is increased with multiple experiences of vaginal delivery...
"In women above 60 years old, multiparity, and multiple experiences of
vaginal delivery tended to present a higher level of severity of urinary
incontinence."
Oh HS, Kim MK. Taehan Kanho Hakhoe Chi. 2005 Jun;35(3):469-77. PubMed
abstract
Klein et al. [2005] reported:
"Primiparous women reported unspecified UI at 3 months postpartum more often
(17.9%) in the VB group than in the CS group (6.4%). This difference
remained significant whether or not there was a prior history of UI.
Multiparous women showed no difference in rates of UI (VB 17.1% vs. CS
16.0%), whether there was a prior history of UI or not. Stress incontinence
was greater among primiparous women in the VB group (VB 34.5% vs. CS 12.8%)
regardless of prior UI history, but the proportion of women whose UI was
severe enough to wear a pad was similar in primiparous women (VB 16.0%, CS
15.4%) and multiparous women (VB 23.8%, CS 25.0%)..."
Klein et al. J Obstet Gynaecol Can. 2005 Apr;27(4):332-9. PubMed abstract
Whatever the cause of incontinence - it makes NO sense for obstetricians to
close birth canals the "extra" up to 30%.
See again: Arresting obstetricians - Lt. Bill Hunt: 11165PC Suspected (Mass)
Child Abuse Report
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/3848
Todd
Dr. Gastaldo
Hillsboro, Oregon
I'll copy the Korean nurses (Oh et al.) via hsoh@inha.ac.kr
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Mum of Two - 11 Sep 2005 02:43 GMT
> C-SECTION DOESN'T PREVENT URINARY INCONTINENCE?
>
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> Many people are in nursing homes in part because of urinary and/or fecal
> incontinence...
Don't forget about the women who are in nursing homes because they have
urinary & fecal incontinence from episiotomies performed because their birth
canals were closed by up to 30%.

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Amy
Mum to Carlos born sleeping 20/11/02,
& Ana born screaming 30/06/04
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Todd Gastaldo - 11 Sep 2005 03:47 GMT
>> C-SECTION DOESN'T PREVENT URINARY INCONTINENCE?
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> urinary & fecal incontinence from episiotomies performed because their birth
> canals were closed by up to 30%.
Amy,
Fecal incontinence is likely associated with episiotomy and urinary
incontinence with forceps use.
But both of these interventions are senselessly applied with birth canals
closed the "extra" up to 30%.
Todd
mcmahan@cup.hp.com - 12 Sep 2005 19:27 GMT
In misc.kids.pregnancy Todd Gastaldo <tgastaldo@earthlink.net> wrote:
: Amy,
: Fecal incontinence is likely associated with episiotomy and urinary
: incontinence with forceps use.
: But both of these interventions are senselessly applied with birth canals
: closed the "extra" up to 30%.
: Todd
And for thsoe of you who are wise enough to avoid these thing, there is
still more that you can do to avoid or even stop ongoing urinary incontinence.
Kegels!
This is one of the more effective things you can do to strengthen the
pelvic floor!
Larry