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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / September 2005Looking for someone
I'm a journalism student and I am wanting to write an article about holistic medicine and the people that it has cured. Does anyone know where I might be able to find someone that has had a very good response (i.e. something was cured) from holistic medicine to interview? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks Terri > I'm a journalism student and I am wanting to write an article about > holistic medicine and the people that it has cured. Does anyone know [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Terri Define "holistic medicine". --Rich >> I'm a journalism student and I am wanting to write an article about >> holistic medicine and the people that it has cured. Does anyone know [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > --Rich If you don't know what it is, don't waste time. It is a fair question. There are many forms of alternative medicine that are not holistic. Whatever you think of Homeopathy, Chiropractic, Iridology, Chelation, or Urine Therapy, they are not holistic. They are alternative, but they are not holistic. Few alternative systems look at the whole person, their environment, their diet, their inherited constitution, and their emotions. Traditional Chinese Medicine is one of the few systmes that is truly holistic. Perhaps "Tigger" would be satisfied with a cure from any alternative medical system, not just those that are holistic. I'm sorry I wasn't more clear: I'm looking for someone who has been cured from an ailment by any kind of alternative medicine, but a more traditional form of holistic medicine would be even better. I'm currently learning about these kinds of alternative medicines for my article, so I'm not an expert on the different kinds. But I do look forward to talking to anyone who is more of an expert than I am! Terri > I'm sorry I wasn't more clear: I'm looking for someone who has been > cured from an ailment by any kind of alternative medicine, Well, if "alternative" medicine worked, it would become real medicine. but a more > traditional form of holistic medicine would be even better. You still need to be more specific. Because my regular ol' doctor says their Family Medicine Practice is completely holistic because they treat the WHOLE person --- from ear infections, to psych counseling, pre-natal care, preventative medicine, birth, well-child visits, blood pressure, family interactions (like dragging the WHOLE family in to test all of them to find out which person was giving strep infections around, turned out one kid had strep with now symptoms and kept re-infecting the rest of the kids), and on and on... plus with referrels to competent specialists. Even some folks have trouble defining what certain alternatives are (hint: homeopathy has nothing to do with herbalism, and it is also not "eastern", unless someone decided to move Germany to another continent). I'm > currently learning about these kinds of alternative medicines for my > article, so I'm not an expert on the different kinds. But I do look > forward to talking to anyone who is more of an expert than I am! Places to start research: www.medlineplus.gov (just plugging in the word "holistic" gives you 35 places to look in one section alone) www.pubmed.gov (plug in the treatment and look for papers on how effective... most often you can get the full papers from either a municipal library or local university library, as a reporter you should know how to use their resources) www.quackwatch.org (you may want to sign up for the Healthfraud mailing list) I am presently reading a book from my local library, I just finished the chapter on her adventures with the alternative med. clinics for her headache. It was very enlightening... if you just read that chapter it would give you an idea where to start. It is _All In My Head: An Epic Quest to Cure an Unrelenting, Totally Unreasonable, and Only Slightly Enlightening Headache_ by Paula Kamen, http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0738209031/ > Terri > > -- > Sent via Health Newsgroups > http://www.healthnewsgroups.com >> I'm sorry I wasn't more clear: I'm looking for someone who has been >> cured from an ailment by any kind of alternative medicine, > > Well, if "alternative" medicine worked, it would become real medicine. I'm sorry I wasn't more clear: I'm looking for *****someone******* who has been cured from an ailment by any kind of alternative medicine If that someone is not YOU HCN, KINDLY BE STILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNKINDLY S H U T U P!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > but a more >> traditional form of holistic medicine would be even better. > > You still need to be more specific. Because my regular ol' doctor says THE POSTER IS NOT INTERSTED IN WHAT YOUR REGULAR OL' DOCTOR SAYS!!!!!!!!!!! > I'm >> currently learning about these kinds of alternative medicines for my [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > municipal library or local university library, as a reporter you should > know how to use their resources) <snip LYING wbsite> Once again: I'm sorry I wasn't more clear: I'm looking for *****someone******* who has been >> cured from an ailment by any kind of alternative medicine,but a more traditional form of holistic medicine would be even better. I'm currently learning about these kinds of alternative medicines for my article, so I'm not an expert on the different kinds. But I do look forward to talking to anyone who is more of an expert than I am! Terri >> Terri >> >> -- >> Sent via Health Newsgroups >> http://www.healthnewsgroups.com >S H U T U P!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Poor Jan. She really has a control problem. Aloha, Rich ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance 7. LadyLollipop Sep 4, 9:06 pm show options Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative From: "LadyLollipop" <LadyLolli...@insightbb.com> - Find messages by this author Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 01:06:37 GMT Local: Sun, Sep 4 2005 9:06 pm Subject: Re: Looking for someone Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse "HCN" <h...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:9e2dnQBBqvZCD4beRVn-pQ@comcast.com... >> I'm sorry I wasn't more clear: I'm looking for someone who has been >> cured from an ailment by any kind of alternative medicine, > Well, if "alternative" medicine worked, it would become real medicine. I'm sorry I wasn't more clear: I'm looking for *****someone******* who has been cured from an ailment by any kind of alternative medicine If that someone is not YOU HCN, KINDLY BE STILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNKINDLY S H U T U P!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jan, why don't you share your story? You've posted that alternative medicine saved your life. I'm sure that would be of interest to Tigger and would silence the skeptics. >Jan, why don't you share your story? You've posted that alternative >medicine saved your life. I'm sure that would be of interest to Tigger >and would silence the skeptics. Actually, that's EXACTLY what I'm looking for, if Jan is willing to share. :) -Terri >>Jan, why don't you share your story? You've posted that alternative >>medicine saved your life. I'm sure that would be of interest to Tigger >>and would silence the skeptics. > > Actually, that's EXACTLY what I'm looking for, if Jan is willing to > share. :) You could try using groups.google.com to check on her posting history. > -Terri If you plan to do any writing on health issues you should really register at www.medscape.com . It has several papers and commentaries that are not normally accessible. Though you can get many of the full papers found at www.pubmed.gov through a good municipal or university library. This is one article in Medscape that appeared today that might be of interest: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/510218_1 > -- > Sent via Health Newsgroups > http://www.healthnewsgroups.com >>Jan, why don't you share your story? You've posted that alternative >>medicine saved your life. I'm sure that would be of interest to Tigger [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >-Terri Jan Drew claims that she almost died of mercury poisoning from amalgams and that removing the amalgams saved her life. I proved that this claim was completely bogus and that Jan Drew deliberately changed her history to make her claim credible. This is why she won't tell her story. She knows her story is complete bullshit and that I will expose her claim for the bullshit it is if she tries to make the claim again. Jan Drew said that before she had her amalgams removed that she was bedridden and nonfunctional for SEVERAL MONTHS. On June 17-18, 1999 Jan Drew had eight amalgams removed which resulted in a temporary INCREASE in her mercury level. On June 26, 1999 Jan Drew reported that she went line dancing and her feet no longer hurt (or course the pain soon returned since placebo responses are short lived). Jan Drew went from bedridden and nonfunctional for several months to line dancing when her mercury level was likely the highest in her life. When I point this out to Jan Drew her response is to make a personal attack. Jan has become so frustrated that she has attempted to harass me in my personal life by repeatedly posting what she believes to be my name, business address and phone number. She also admits to trying to call the number and failing that she admits to calling someone at the business address to ask about me. Jan DRew is a liar, hypocrite and a stalker. For proof that she never had mercury poisoning from amalgams I offer the following: >http://tinyurl.com/6n3ax > >>How do I know it was the metal? Because my mercury level was monitored by my >>MD, it was only AFTER the metal was removed that it started dropping and I >>started to regain my health. >>Jan http://tinyurl.com/da7co >Jan, do you mind telling us how long it took after you had all the >amalgams out before your health BEGAN to be restored until it was FULLY >restored? >>It began the minute some of the mercury was removed. >>Jan Let's see. Jan says that the reason she knows it was the mercury is because she did not BEGIN to regain her health until her mercury level dropped. Then she said her health began to be restored the *minute* some of the mercury was removed. Then she said that she felt better than she had in two years, hours later. And just a few months earlier Jan Drew said her body felt good. >>>>>On June 18,1999 Jan Drew said >>>>>I believe the mercury is the cause of my problems. I hav felt better today that >>>>>I have in the last 2 years, and am looking forward to getting the rest of the >>>>>mercury out and the root canal pulled. >>>> >>>>>Jan >> http://tinyurl.com/674oy >>On June 26, 1999 Jan Drew said: >> I am feeling much >>>>>>better, because I am not receiving a new dose of mercury each day. The >>>>>>elimination of 8 mercury amalgams has made a difference. Nothing psychosomatic >>>>>>about it. But did not Jan Drew say that removing amalgams puts more mercury in the body?? >>>>>>There's never been any arguement about the fact that removing amalgams puts >>>>>>more mercury in the body. >>Subject: Mercury Levels Highest After Amalgam Removal >>From: Mark Thorson nos...@sonic.net >>Date: 11/26/2004 6:50 PM Pacific Standard Time >>Message-id: <41A7EBE9.D7805...@sonic.net> >>These studies show that mercury levels increase in the >>days following amalgam removal, and don't decline [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >>>Jan >>Jan, do you mind telling us how long it took after you had all the >>amalgams out before your health BEGAN to be restored until it was FULLY [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >immune system. Had that not happened, I may have never had the mercury >poisoning from my amalgams. Who knows? So if Jan Drew knows that removing amalgams puts more mercury in the body and that the mercury level does not decline for about a month after removal how on earth does she explain going from bedridden and nonfunctional for SEVERAL MONTHS before the removal of amalgams to line dancing a week after when her mercury level by her OWN ADMISSION would have been higher. Jan cannot explain it. All she can do is attack me. I guarantee IF Jan Drew responds to this post it will NOT be to refute any of my claims but to make a personal attack likely by starting a new thread proving she is a stalker. Just watch. Aloha, Rich ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance >>Jan, why don't you share your story? You've posted that alternative >>medicine saved your life. I'm sure that would be of interest to Tigger [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -Terri Are you going to to school on Tuesday, Terri? You could jump right over to see me in person. I'm just a few miles away from you :) > Sent via Health Newsgroups > http://www.healthnewsgroups.com >>>Jan, why don't you share your story? You've posted that alternative >>>medicine saved your life. I'm sure that would be of interest to Tigger [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >You could jump right over to see me in person. I'm just a few miles away >from you :) I thought Jan had a rule that everything stays in this newsgroup. What a hypocrite. She does not want to tell her story in this group because she knows she will be exposed as the liar and hypocrite she is. Aloha, Rich >> Sent via Health Newsgroups >> http://www.healthnewsgroups.com ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance > 7. LadyLollipop Sep 4, 9:06 pm show options > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > S H U T U P!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kindly realize that when you post in a newsgroup anyone can answer in any manner they see fit. If you are a journalism student, as you claim, you should be interested in the truth, regardless of the source. I am certain that they teach you that in Ball State University in JOURN 102 Info Gather. If not, withdraw and work at McDonalds while looking for a good school. I AM interested in the truth, regardless of the source. I'm sorry if I'm upsetting people by posting, but my prof told me that Google groups would be a great resource to find someone to interview. I guess if I've offended everyone, this won't be a good source, huh? >Kindly realize that when you post in a newsgroup anyone can answer in >any manner they see fit. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >102 Info Gather. If not, withdraw and work at McDonalds while looking >for a good school. >I AM interested in the truth, regardless of the source. I'm sorry if I'm > upsetting people by posting, but my prof told me that Google groups > would be a great resource to find someone to interview. > I guess if I've offended everyone, this won't be a good source, huh? ... I do not think you have offended anyone. If you have done anything wrong it was not researching the subject prior to asking. You asked using a very broad general term that could mean just about anything. It takes a little bit of time to find some resources (that are not sales pitches) to get through the confusing mass of information about medicine and health (which is why www.medlineplus.gov is a good place to start). Some very common errors I have seen in news reports have been the mistaking of terminology. Recently a newspaper reported that homeopathy was part of "Oriental Medicine" --- actually when homeopathy was invented 200 years ago Germany was still considered part of the "West" (and it still is). I've also seen people say that "Oriental Medicine" is the norm in Asia, well CBS's 60 Minutes last night showed that that is just not true: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/21/60minutes/main689998.shtml A very entertaining book to read on the subject of alternative medicine and science is: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0486203948/ ... it was written in 1957, and it is still relevant for today. The only thing about doing the research is that I may get stuck if I'm too specific. If I say I need someone who's been cured by homeopathy, there might be no one that I can interview... that kind of thing. That's the only reason I was trying to not be extremely specific. > The only thing about doing the research is that I may get stuck if I'm > too specific. If I say I need someone who's been cured by homeopathy, > there might be no one that I can interview... that kind of thing. That's > the only reason I was trying to not be extremely specific. Trust me, that is not going to happen. Even with a term like homeopathy... many homoepaths cannot agree what is real homeopathy (like is it really homeopathy if you do not hit the solution with a bible, or shake it a certain way --- or then there is the whole using multiple remedies controversy!). Then there are the homeopaths who actually cheat... scroll down to the letter of Feb. 7, 2005: http://www.vetpath.co.uk/voodoo/vettimes5.html#voodoo1 The same thing has also happened with "traditional Chinese remedies", some contain actual prescription medications, from http://www.fda.gov/ora/fiars/ora_import_ia6610.html: " Chinese herbal medications have a history, dating back to 1974, of containing strong prescription drugs." > -- > Sent via Health Newsgroups > http://www.healthnewsgroups.com >> The only thing about doing the research is that I may get stuck if I'm >> too specific. If I say I need someone who's been cured by homeopathy, >> there might be no one that I can interview... that kind of thing. That's >> the only reason I was trying to not be extremely specific. > > Trust me, What a hoot. Trust a LIAR! that is not going to happen. Even with a term like homeopathy... > many homoepaths cannot agree what is real homeopathy (like is it really > homeopathy if you do not hit the solution with a bible, or shake it a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The same thing has also happened with "traditional Chinese remedies", some > contain actual prescription medications, from <snip> Rest assured *ANYTHING* HCN posts is either biased or comes straight out of the mouth or *organized medicine* >> -- >> Sent via Health Newsgroups >> http://www.healthnewsgroups.com It matters not what the subject is, Richard H Jacobson sees my name and starts foaming at the mouth. His pattern of cyberstalking and badgering started long before me, I just happened to be his current target, all others he has run off, boo hoo, he has failed to do that with me. See his pattern here: http://tinyurl.com/39u2g http://tinyurl.com/2vxcl http://tinyurl.com/2nbzc http://tinyurl.com/3gzhf Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual cyberstalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious. Somethings are so predictable -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance > Rest assured *ANYTHING* HCN posts is either biased or comes straight out > of the mouth or *organized medicine* "*Organized medicine*" has a mouth? Please further describe this entity. Perhaps you could even DEFINE it!  Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ >> Rest assured *ANYTHING* HCN posts is either biased or comes straight out >> of the mouth or *organized medicine* > > "*Organized medicine*" has a mouth? That's correct, it has many LYING ones, yours for examlpe. Please further describe this entity. > Perhaps you could even DEFINE it! I just did. > --Rich >>> Rest assured *ANYTHING* HCN posts is either biased or comes straight out >>> of the mouth or *organized medicine* [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I just did. And I'm sure you'll add this non-definition to your beloved "many times" lie. Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ >>>> Rest assured *ANYTHING* HCN posts is either biased or comes straight >>>> out of the mouth or *organized medicine* [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > And I'm sure you'll add this non-definition to your beloved "many times" > lie. Rich Jun 26, 3:30 pm No, I can define the term however I like. You may disagree with my definition if you like. I provide this definition *as I use it* Sound familiar, Rich? > --Rich It matters not what the subject is, Richard H Jacobson sees my name and starts foaming at the mouth. His pattern of cyberstalking and badgering started long before me, I just happened to be his current target, all others he has run off, boo hoo, he has failed to do that with me. See his pattern here: http://tinyurl.com/39u2g http://tinyurl.com/2vxcl http://tinyurl.com/2nbzc http://tinyurl.com/3gzhf Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual cyberstalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious. Somethings are so predictable -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance >>>>> Rest assured *ANYTHING* HCN posts is either biased or comes straight >>>>> out of the mouth or *organized medicine* [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Sound familiar, Rich? Main Entry: def·i·ni·tion Pronunciation: "de-f&-'ni-sh&n Function: noun Etymology: Middle English diffinicioun, from Middle French definition, from Latin definition-, definitio, from definire 1 : an act of determining; specifically : the formal proclamation of a Roman Catholic dogma 2 a : a statement expressing the essential nature of something b : a statement of the meaning of a word or word group or a sign or symbol <dictionary definitions> c : a product of defining (www.m-w.com) In the context from which you quoted me, I provided my definition of "alternative medicine" in the form of a definition. Please have the courtesy to do the same, as in "a statement of the meaning of a word". You claim that you have defined "*organized medicine*" is still a blatant lie until you do so. All you've done is make vague hints. Here is what "*organized medicine*" is as suggested by a compilation of those hints: It is the FDA, the AMA, the pharmaceutical companies, all doctors except the ones that you "God bless", anyone who speaks ill in any way against any variant of alternative medicine no matter how vacuous, and anybody in this newsgroup who makes a statement with which you disagree. Somehow this ragtag collection of individuals is "organized" to speak as one voice with the common goal to destroy alternative medicine. We supposedly gain new members by "brainwashing" everybody who attends medical school or follows a medical or pharmaceutical research career path. Well, Jan, you have no evidence whatsoever that such an organization exists except in your own imaginings and those of your fellow paranoid conspiracy theorists who believe "whaleto" is a credible source and that the wealth of information compiled by Dr. Barrett and Peter Bowditch are "all lies". There is no such organization, Jan. You are lying every time you mention it. "*Organized medicine*" is no more than a bigoted epithet and is further evidence of your unChristian black heart. Signature--Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ >>>>>> Rest assured *ANYTHING* HCN posts is either biased or comes straight >>>>>> out of the mouth or *organized medicine* [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> >> Sound familiar, Rich? <snip all lies and insults> You didn't answer the question. It matters not what the subject is, Richard H Jacobson sees my name and starts foaming at the mouth. His pattern of cyberstalking and badgering started long before me, I just happened to be his current target, all others he has run off, boo hoo, he has failed to do that with me. See his pattern here: http://tinyurl.com/39u2g http://tinyurl.com/2vxcl http://tinyurl.com/2nbzc http://tinyurl.com/3gzhf Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual cyberstalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious. Somethings are so predictable -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance >>I AM interested in the truth, regardless of the source. I'm sorry if I'm >> upsetting people by posting, but my prof told me that Google groups [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I do not think you have offended anyone. If you have done anything wrong > it was not researching the subject prior to asking. Good Grief, isn't it a pity, that one must research before asking a simple question ?!?!?! You asked using a very broad general term that could mean just about anything. He is doing NO SUCH THING!!!!!! > It takes a little bit of time to find some resources (that are not sales > pitches) He was *siimply* asking if *someone* had any experience with alternative medicine, his only mistake was using the word *cure*. What he did not know is we have a *gang* here, who do nothing but ATTACK alternative medicine. <snip> Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual stalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious. Somethings are so predictable -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance > I AM interested in the truth, regardless of the source. I'm sorry if I'm > upsetting people by posting, but my prof told me that Google groups > would be a great resource to find someone to interview. > I guess if I've offended everyone, this won't be a good source, huh? Telling people to shut up is offending. Asking is not offending. >>Kindly realize that when you post in a newsgroup anyone can answer in >>any manner they see fit. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Sent via Health Newsgroups > http://www.healthnewsgroups.com > > I AM interested in the truth, regardless of the source. I'm sorry if I'm > > upsetting people by posting, but my prof told me that Google groups > > would be a great resource to find someone to interview. > > I guess if I've offended everyone, this won't be a good source, huh? > > Telling people to shut up is offending. Asking is not offending. Hi Mark, It was actually Lollipop who was telling HCN to shut up. It's just that her bizarre posting ran together Terri's quote and her own rudeness. Cheers, Cathy > >>Kindly realize that when you post in a newsgroup anyone can answer in > >>any manner they see fit. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Sent via Health Newsgroups > > http://www.healthnewsgroups.com >> I AM interested in the truth, regardless of the source. I'm sorry if I'm >> upsetting people by posting, but my prof told me that Google groups >> would be a great resource to find someone to interview. I guess if I've >> offended everyone, this won't be a good source, huh? > > Telling people to shut up is offending. Asking is not offending. Grilling posters after they have clearly explained twice is offending. It appears Mark doesn't know the difference between kindly and unkindly. Insulting people in offending. >>>Kindly realize that when you post in a newsgroup anyone can answer in any >>>manner they see fit. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> Sent via Health Newsgroups >> http://www.healthnewsgroups.com It matters not what the subject is, Richard H Jacobson sees my name and starts foaming at the mouth. His pattern of cyberstalking and badgering started long before me, I just happened to be his current target, all others he has run off, boo hoo, he has failed to do that with me. See his pattern here: http://tinyurl.com/39u2g http://tinyurl.com/2vxcl http://tinyurl.com/2nbzc http://tinyurl.com/3gzhf Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual cyberstalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious. Somethings are so predictable -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance >Insulting people in offending. >>>>I wish for you a good dose of mercury poisoning, peripheral neuropathy and >>>>migraine headaches. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >>Jan ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance >>>I AM interested in the truth, regardless of the source. I'm sorry if I'm >>>upsetting people by posting, but my prof told me that Google groups [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Grilling posters after they have clearly explained twice is offending. Grilling? You are kidding. Asking follow-up questions is not grilling. > It appears Mark doesn't know the difference between kindly and unkindly. I sure do. I am a kindly person, and you and your handler are unkindly persons. > Insulting people in offending. Yes, that is why you are taken to task when you offend people with your bigotry. >>>>Kindly realize that when you post in a newsgroup anyone can answer in any >>>>manner they see fit. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >>>Sent via Health Newsgroups >>>http://www.healthnewsgroups.com Snip of Jan's RichRavings and feeble attempt at diversion. >>>>I AM interested in the truth, regardless of the source. I'm sorry if I'm >>>>upsetting people by posting, but my prof told me that Google groups [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Grilling? YES, grilling. *Define "holistic medicine"* *You still need to be more specific* * Because my regular ol' doctor says* Places to start research *Quack Quack* You are kidding. Asking follow-up questions is not grilling. See above >> It appears Mark doesn't know the difference between kindly and unkindly. > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > <snip> It matters not what the subject is, Richard H Jacobson sees my name and starts foaming at the mouth. His pattern of cyberstalking and badgering started long before me, I just happened to be his current target, all others he has run off, boo hoo, he has failed to do that with me. See his pattern here: http://tinyurl.com/39u2g http://tinyurl.com/2vxcl http://tinyurl.com/2nbzc http://tinyurl.com/3gzhf Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual cyberstalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious. Somethings are so predictable -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance >>>>>I AM interested in the truth, regardless of the source. I'm sorry if I'm >>>>>upsetting people by posting, but my prof told me that Google groups [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > See above Yes. I do see above, and attempting to learn more of a persons ideas is not grilling. You do grilling on a barbeque. >>>It appears Mark doesn't know the difference between kindly and unkindly. >> >><snip lies> OOPS...something Jan cannot handle... I sure do. I am a kindly person, and you and your handler are unkindly persons. >>>Insulting people in offending. >> >><snip lies and surther insults> Again...Yes, that is why you are taken to task when you offend people with your bigotry. >>>>>>Kindly realize that when you post in a newsgroup anyone can answer in >>>>>>any manner they see fit. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >><snip> Snip of Jan's RichRavings and feeble attempt at diversion. Rich is not the subject of this post. >>> I AM interested in the truth, regardless of the source. I'm sorry if I'm >>> upsetting people by posting, but my prof told me that Google groups [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Best defense to logic is ignorance Right on cue Rich stalks with his *selective* snipping, which shows his dishonesty. Rich.@. wrote Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived. This message will be removed from Groups in 6 days (Sep 14, 5:29 pm). <LadyLolli...@insightbb.com> wrote: >Insulting people in offending. On 09 May 2004 03:10:30 GMT, >jdrew63...@aol.com (Jan) wrote: >>>>I wish for you a good dose of mercury poisoning, peripheral neuropathy >>>>and migraine headaches. What Rich left out which shows his dishonesty: Jan Mar 3 2002, 12:20 pm Subject: Re: Re Why are people turning to alt. medicine? Yes I said that and it was wrong. I won't even look up what was said to me, something you selectively snipped, Rich. However my behavior dos in no way compare to Andrew's and everyone knows it. >when she does the exact same thing (see above). Wrong. What Richard H Jacobson said: >I pray that something happens that prevents JD from continuing to post in >this newsgroup. Perhaps my prayers will be answered for the benefit of all. That's nice of you Rich,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,perhaps a disability? >>Your words come back to bite you. >> >>Jan Indeed they do. >Are you sure my name is Richard Jacobson?? >>>>Is it or isn't it? >>Negative. Does this mean that I don't have to agree to Jan's request to cease and desist?? Of course her request presumes that I have been stalking and harassing her. >I am grateful for one thing; that Richard Jacobson is not my real name. Unfortunately the Richard Jacobson that DOES live in Hawaii may not be too happy with my assuming his name for purposes of the internet especially given the recent events. He happens to live on a different island from me. I do plan to contact him to let him know that someone may try to harass him since he is listed in the phone book. =============================== Hiking The Kalalau Trail Richard Jacobson (richj@cris.com) Sat, 16 Mar 1996 00:27:34 -0500 (EST) >Hawaii's premier backpacking trail, the Kalalau Trail on the island of Kauai still remains closed past Hanakoa due to the reconstruction of the trail near "crawler's ridge". Estimated date of completion is Mid May. Until then, camping will only be permitted in Hanakapiai and Hanakoa Valleys. I for one am anxious to have Kalalau open again. It has to be one of the finest trails in the world. Aloha, Rich ------------------------ ------------------------ Richard H. Jacobson Always remember to put Horace before Descarte Rich proves he is is a cyberstalker daily. He lies over and over. Jan, you are answering yourself. get help. >> 7. LadyLollipop Sep 4, 9:06 pm show options >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Kindly realize that when you post in a newsgroup anyone can answer in any > manner they see fit. Kindly have the decency to read for comprehension I'm sorry I wasn't more clear: I'm looking for someone who has been cured from an ailment by any kind of alternative medicine, Then do NOT insult the poster! > 7. LadyLollipop Sep 4, 9:06 pm show options > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > medicine saved your life. I'm sure that would be of interest to Tigger > and would silence the skeptics. I have shared my story many times. The poster is looking for: someone who has been *cured* from an ailment by any kind of alternative medicine. However, thanks for reminding me. *IF* you have an unanswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK THE TEETH! NOT by a mainstream dentist, but an Alt. dentist who KNOWS the dangers of metali n the mouth and root canals, and follows correct protocol. I did, it saved my life . Mercury is Poisonous. There is NO safe form of Mercury in living tissue. The mercury vapor from dental amalgam alone is a bigger source than all the other sources together. U151 identifies mercury as a toxic waste.Mercury is also recovered from discarded products and wastes such aschlor-alkali wastes, dental amalgams, fluorescent light tubes, electronicdevices, and others. The mercury is vaporized in a retort and collected bycondensation. Condensed mercury is then distilled to remove impurities.* The Environmental Protection Agency is working to reduce the amount of mercury in the environment http://www.ehs.ucsf.edu/Manuals/CSM/Csm_Chapter9.htm 17. DENTAL AMALGAM Dental amalgams are mixtures of mercury with silver tin alloy. Cal-EPAregulates them as ***chemical waste.*** Submit Chemical Waste Removal Form for its disposal. I guarantee 99.99999999% Richard H Jacobson will follow this post to attack me with his lies and stalking Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious. Somethings are so predictable -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance =========== Why Can't Richard H Jacobson Show Us The proof? http://tinyurl.com/84p8d >I have shared my story many times. The poster is looking for: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >I did, it saved my life Jan Drew claims that she almost died of mercury poisoning from amalgams and that removing the amalgams saved her life. I proved that this claim was completely bogus and that Jan Drew deliberately changed her history to make her claim credible. This is why she won't tell her story. She knows her story is complete bullshit and that I will expose her claim for the bullshit it is if she tries to make the claim again. Jan Drew said that before she had her amalgams removed that she was bedridden and nonfunctional for SEVERAL MONTHS. On June 17-18, 1999 Jan Drew had eight amalgams removed which resulted in a temporary INCREASE in her mercury level. On June 26, 1999 Jan Drew reported that she went line dancing and her feet no longer hurt (or course the pain soon returned since placebo responses are short lived). Jan Drew went from bedridden and nonfunctional for several months to line dancing when her mercury level was likely the highest in her life. When I point this out to Jan Drew her response is to make a personal attack. Jan has become so frustrated that she has attempted to harass me in my personal life by repeatedly posting what she believes to be my name, business address and phone number. She also admits to trying to call the number and failing that she admits to calling someone at the business address to ask about me. Jan DRew is a liar, hypocrite and a stalker. For proof that she never had mercury poisoning from amalgams I offer the following: >http://tinyurl.com/6n3ax > >>How do I know it was the metal? Because my mercury level was monitored by my >>MD, it was only AFTER the metal was removed that it started dropping and I >>started to regain my health. >>Jan http://tinyurl.com/da7co >Jan, do you mind telling us how long it took after you had all the >amalgams out before your health BEGAN to be restored until it was FULLY >restored? >>It began the minute some of the mercury was removed. >>Jan Let's see. Jan says that the reason she knows it was the mercury is because she did not BEGIN to regain her health until her mercury level dropped. Then she said her health began to be restored the *minute* some of the mercury was removed. Then she said that she felt better than she had in two years, hours later. And just a few months earlier Jan Drew said her body felt good. >>>>>On June 18,1999 Jan Drew said >>>>>I believe the mercury is the cause of my problems. I hav felt better today that >>>>>I have in the last 2 years, and am looking forward to getting the rest of the >>>>>mercury out and the root canal pulled. >>>> >>>>>Jan >> http://tinyurl.com/674oy >>On June 26, 1999 Jan Drew said: >> I am feeling much >>>>>>better, because I am not receiving a new dose of mercury each day. The >>>>>>elimination of 8 mercury amalgams has made a difference. Nothing psychosomatic >>>>>>about it. But did not Jan Drew say that removing amalgams puts more mercury in the body?? >>>>>>There's never been any arguement about the fact that removing amalgams puts >>>>>>more mercury in the body. >>Subject: Mercury Levels Highest After Amalgam Removal >>From: Mark Thorson nos...@sonic.net >>Date: 11/26/2004 6:50 PM Pacific Standard Time >>Message-id: <41A7EBE9.D7805...@sonic.net> >>These studies show that mercury levels increase in the >>days following amalgam removal, and don't decline [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >>>Jan >>Jan, do you mind telling us how long it took after you had all the >>amalgams out before your health BEGAN to be restored until it was FULLY [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >immune system. Had that not happened, I may have never had the mercury >poisoning from my amalgams. Who knows? So if Jan Drew knows that removing amalgams puts more mercury in the body and that the mercury level does not decline for about a month after removal how on earth does she explain going from bedridden and nonfunctional for SEVERAL MONTHS before the removal of amalgams to line dancing a week after when her mercury level by her OWN ADMISSION would have been higher. Jan cannot explain it. All she can do is attack me. I guarantee IF Jan Drew responds to this post it will NOT be to refute any of my claims but to make a personal attack likely by starting a new thread proving she is a stalker. Just watch. Aloha, Rich ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance "Johnny Huang" <johnny_huang_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1125927129.132160.267440@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > 7. LadyLollipop Sep 4, 9:06 pm show options > Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative > From: "LadyLollipop" <LadyLolli...@insightbb.com> - Find messages by [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show > original | Report Abuse > "HCN" <h...@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:9e2dnQBBqvZCD4beRVn-pQ@comcast.com... >>> I'm sorry I wasn't more clear: I'm looking for someone who has been >>> cured from an ailment by any kind of alternative medicine, >> Well, if "alternative" medicine worked, it would become real medicine. > I'm sorry I wasn't more clear: I'm looking for *****someone******* who > has > been > cured from an ailment by any kind of alternative medicine > If that someone is not YOU HCN, > KINDLY > BE STILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > UNKINDLY > S H U T U P!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Jan, why don't you share your story? You've posted that alternative > medicine saved your life. I'm sure that would be of interest to Tigger > and would silence the skeptics. I have shared my story many times. The poster is looking for: someone who has been *cured* from an ailment by any kind of alternative medicine. I'm sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you had been helped by alternative medicine. Since you're still suffering from the same condition, you don't count yourself amongst those cured. Has anyone here been cured by alternative medicine? > "Johnny Huang" <johnny_huang_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >> medicine saved your life. I'm sure that would be of interest to Tigger >> and would silence the skeptics. A dead give away! > I have shared my story many times. The poster is looking for: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > alternative medicine. Since you're still suffering from the same > condition, you don't count yourself amongst those cured. Yes, you misunderstood. I have been GREATLY helped by alternative medicine. I am NOT still suffering from the same condition, but you knew that, by reading my message, johnny_huang_2005@yahoo.com who has a very short posting history. ALL of which are trying to trash alternative medicine, Ted Nidiffer. OrgName: America Online, Inc OrgID: AMERIC-59 Address: 22080 Pacific Blvd City: Sterling StateProv: VA PostalCode: 20166 Country: US Yes, I am aware of how you use different posting host. > Has anyone here been cured by alternative medicine? Had you been reading carefully, you would have seen someone who had answered that question. It matters not what the subject is, Richard H Jacobson sees my name and starts foaming at the mouth. His pattern of cyberstalking and badgering started long before me, I just happened to be his current target, all others he has run off, boo hoo, he has failed to do that with me. See his pattern here: http://tinyurl.com/39u2g http://tinyurl.com/2vxcl http://tinyurl.com/2nbzc http://tinyurl.com/3gzhf Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual cyberstalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious. Somethings are so predictable -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance Jan, I don't know why you think I'm someone named Ted. My actual name is Huang, but Johnny is just a nickname, an americanization of my first name. I don't want to be a target of your misguided rage. I've done nothing to deserve your wrath. Please don't stalk me and attempt to contact my family as you have done to others. Despite your hateful attitude, I'm sorry that you don't have a success story with alternative medicine. From your posting history, you've claimed that it saved your life, but under examination, it appears that you were never seriously ill. I wonder why you post so frequently yet so seldom discuss alternative medicine. This group is supposed to be about alternative medicine, not about people you perceive as enemies. I'm not in Virginia and I think that the address you showed is AOL's corporate HQ. Do you think that everyone on AOL is a guy named Ted in Virginia? > Jan, I don't know why you think I'm someone named Ted. I showed and explained that. My actual name > is Huang, but Johnny is just a nickname, an americanization of my first > name. Yeah, right Teddy. I don't want to be a target of your misguided rage. Umm, there is no misguide rage, Teddy. I've done nothing to deserve your wrath. Umm, there is no wrath, Teddy. > Please don't stalk me and attempt to contact my family as you have done > to others. Umm, I have stalked none, nor contacted any family, Teddy. > Despite your hateful attitude, Do tell me all about it, Teddy/akaNana. I'm sorry that you don't have a success > story with alternative medicine. I'm sorry, you continue to lie, Teddy. From your posting history, you've > claimed that it saved your life, That's correct. Can't keep you lies straight, Teddy? Yesterday, you posted: I'm sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you had been helped by alternative medicine. Since you're still suffering from the same condition, Forget already, Teddy?? but under examination, it appears that > you were never seriously ill. It does now does it, Teddy? I wonder why you post so frequently yet > so seldom discuss alternative medicine. You don't say? You wouldn't wonder that about, say, Mark Probert? Richard H Jacobson? Mark Thorson? Or any of your buddies, would you Teddy? Now don't forget to answer. This group is supposed to be > about alternative medicine, not about people you perceive as enemies. Perceive? Naa. It's most evident. Like, YOU they make up lies daily. > I'm not in Virginia and I think that the address you showed is AOL's > corporate HQ. Do you think that everyone on AOL is a guy named Ted in > Virginia? I already explained that, Teddy. Now, don't forget to answer my question about, Teddy. It matters not what the subject is, Richard H Jacobson sees my name and starts foaming at the mouth. His pattern of cyberstalking and badgering started long before me, I just happened to be his current target, all others he has run off, boo hoo, he has failed to do that with me. See his pattern here: http://tinyurl.com/39u2g http://tinyurl.com/2vxcl http://tinyurl.com/2nbzc http://tinyurl.com/3gzhf Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual cyberstalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious. Somethings are so predictable -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance Jan, you are a sick, hateful person. Your words do more harm to alternative medicine than all of your "enemies" combined. Your words will convince others that alternative medicine does not work and that only crazy, angry people seek it out. You should apologize for your shameful behavior and get anger management therapy. > Jan, you are a sick, hateful person. Your words do more harm to > alternative medicine than all of your "enemies" combined. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You should apologize for your shameful behavior and get anger > management therapy. > Jan, you are a sick, hateful person. Your words do more harm to > alternative medicine than all of your "enemies" combined. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You should apologize for your shameful behavior and get anger > management therapy. OOOPS, you forgot to answer my question. Here it is again. I wonder why you post so frequently yet > so seldom discuss alternative medicine. You don't say? You wouldn't wonder that about, say, Mark Probert? Richard H Jacobson? Mark Thorson? Or any of your buddies, would you Teddy? Now don't forget to answer. After you answer that, could you show us exactly where there were any words of harm, rage and wrath, and shameful behavior in this thread? I'll wait, Teddy. It matters not what the subject is, Richard H Jacobson sees my name and starts foaming at the mouth. His pattern of cyberstalking and badgering started long before me, I just happened to be his current target, all others he has run off, boo hoo, he has failed to do that with me. See his pattern here: http://tinyurl.com/39u2g http://tinyurl.com/2vxcl http://tinyurl.com/2nbzc http://tinyurl.com/3gzhf Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual cyberstalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious. Somethings are so predictable -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance >Jan, you are a sick, hateful person. Your words do more harm to >alternative medicine than all of your "enemies" combined. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >You should apologize for your shameful behavior and get anger >management therapy. You have made the grade, Johnny. You have been accused of being someone else. You join Cathy (who has been accused of being both me and my wife and also toxicologist Rosalind Dalefield), Nana Weedkiller (who is also apparently the Ted Nidiffer that you are being named as), Mark Probert (who has been outed as his own deceased uncle), Happy Dog (who has been identified as the person he makes no secret of being), ... At one time someone (it may have been one of the many Riches from Hawaii) suggested that there were really only two people posting here under their real names - me and Jan. Everyone else was a sock puppet. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >>Jan, you are a sick, hateful person. Your words do more harm to >>alternative medicine than all of your "enemies" combined. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You have made the grade, Johnny. Yep, he made the grade of being a liar. You have been accused of being > someone else. You join Cathy (who has been accused of being both me > and my wife Ummm, NO. That is a LIE Never been accused of being your wife. and also toxicologist Rosalind Dalefield), Nana Weedkiller > (who is also apparently the Ted Nidiffer that you are being named as), > Mark Probert (who has been outed as his own deceased uncle), Care to prove that? Happy Dog (who has been identified as the person he makes no secret of being), > ... > > At one time someone (it may have been one of the many Riches from > Hawaii) suggested that there were really only two people posting here > under their real names - me and Jan. Everyone else was a sock puppet. You forgot to mention that Richard H Jacobson LIED about his name. Of course, you lied above, and are a proven liar. It matters not what the subject is, Richard H Jacobson sees my name and starts foaming at the mouth. His pattern of cyberstalking and badgering started long before me, I just happened to be his current target, all others he has run off, boo hoo, he has failed to do that with me. See his pattern here: http://tinyurl.com/39u2g http://tinyurl.com/2vxcl http://tinyurl.com/2nbzc http://tinyurl.com/3gzhf Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual cyberstalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious. Somethings are so predictable -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance >Jan, you are a sick, hateful person. Your words do more harm to >alternative medicine than all of your "enemies" combined. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >You should apologize for your shameful behavior and get anger >management therapy. But she's not going to. I suggest you do what I did and killfile her. She'll be just as crazy and hateful and hypocritical, but at least you won't have to read it. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth >>Jan, you are a sick, hateful person. Your words do more harm to >>alternative medicine than all of your "enemies" combined. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > her. She'll be just as crazy and hateful and hypocritical, but at > least you won't have to read it. When you start whining about personalities,don't be surprised that it generates comments about your own. David Wright it has nothing to do with alternative health David Wright scumbag You still haven't learned anything You just think you have. nutball wrong headed simpton you won't understand lunacy fevered brain (what's left of it). you are a loon This particular bit of lunacy your fevered imagination monomaniacs who are incapable of absorbing any information Hey, up yours David Wright Now who is crazy, hateful and hypocritical? > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net > These are my opinions only, but they're almost always WRONG + ARROGANT > "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." > -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth ================== It matters not what the subject is, Richard H Jacobson sees my name and starts foaming at the mouth. His pattern of cyberstalking and badgering started long before me, I just happened to be his current target, all others he has run off, boo hoo, he has failed to do that with me. See his pattern here: http://tinyurl.com/39u2g http://tinyurl.com/2vxcl http://tinyurl.com/2nbzc http://tinyurl.com/3gzhf Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual cyberstalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious. Somethings are so predictable -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance >>>Jan, you are a sick, hateful person. Your words do more harm to >>>alternative medicine than all of your "enemies" combined. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >Now who is crazy, hateful and hypocritical? Uh, you Jan. >>Ask God to help you with your constant lying and lowness of character. >> >>Mommy, mommy he did it first doesn't fly. >> >>Jan Apologies for belaboring the obvious. Cue Jan to whine about how I am cyberstalking her. Just watch. Aloha, Rich ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance > >>Jan, you are a sick, hateful person. Your words do more harm to > >>alternative medicine than all of your "enemies" combined. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > her. She'll be just as crazy and hateful and hypocritical, but at > > least you won't have to read it. <snip Lollicrap> No-one needs to trash Jan. She does it to herself with almost every post she makes. Sorry about that, Johnny. Jan is our resident Kook on the newsgroup and she sees Teddy everywhere. Just last month she accused CHealth of being Ted. Stick around. Your input is welcome here. > I'm not in Virginia and I think that the address you showed is AOL's > corporate HQ. Do you think that everyone on AOL is a guy named Ted in > Virginia? Nana, thank you for your kind words. Why does Jan think that everyone here is only here to attack her? I don't know what is wrong with Jan, but I wish she would choke to death on her anger. Jan, why are you the greatest threat to alternative medicine? Why do you seek to destroy it with your "advocacy"? Why do you post so often but almost never discuss alternative medicine? I think that if anyone is paid to post here, it must be her. Nobody posts are often and nobody does as much harm to the cause of alternative medicine. >Nana, thank you for your kind words. >Why does Jan think that everyone here is only here to attack her? She is mentally ill not to mention a bigot, hypocrite and liar. >I don't know what is wrong with Jan, but I wish she would choke to >death on her anger. Jan is completely out of touch with her anger. She thinks everyone who disagrees with her is angry at her. >Jan, why are you the greatest threat to alternative medicine? Why do >you seek to destroy it with your "advocacy"? >Why do you post so often but almost never discuss alternative medicine? Jan Drew is incapable of any discussion. She will prove it in her response to my post. She is guaranteed to start a new thread attacking me. Jan Drew has been stalking me for years. She repeatedly posts what she believes to be my name, business address and phone number. She admits to trying to call me at the number and failing that she admits to trying to call someone else at the address asking about me. She is a very disturbed woman. >I think that if anyone is paid to post here, it must be her. Nobody >posts are often and nobody does as much harm to the cause of >alternative medicine. Jan Drew is really not interested in promoting alternative medicine as much as she is out to demonize conventional medicine. She is very angry at conventional medicine because they did not indulge her in her somatic hypervigilance. Aloha, Rich ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance > Nana, thank you for your kind words. LOL. I have Nana killfile, but wonder of all wonders, you are talking to yourself. > Why does Jan think that everyone here is only here to attack her? Gee, should a mystery. > I don't know what is wrong with Jan, but I wish she would choke to > death on her anger. My word, that sounds ever so much like an attack. You wonder why Jan thinks every one here is only here to attack her. It seems this looking for someone turned in to a *hate Jan thread* > Jan, why are you the greatest threat to alternative medicine? Why do > you seek to destroy it with your "advocacy"? > Why do you post so often but almost never discuss alternative medicine? Why have you not answered my questions, Teddy? > I think that if anyone is paid to post here, it must be her. Nobody > posts are often It that right? Have you counted everyones' posts? Don't forget to answer. and nobody does as much harm to the cause of > alternative medicine. Be specific. Do show us exactly what your opinion is of how I have harm the cause of alternative medicine. Now don't forget to answer. You are falling behind on your list. Here it is again. I wonder why you post so frequently yet > so seldom discuss alternative medicine. You don't say? You wouldn't wonder that about, say, Mark Probert? Richard H Jacobson? Mark Thorson? Or any of your buddies, would you Teddy? Now don't forget to answer. After you answer that, could you show us exactly where there were any words of harm, rage and wrath, and shameful behavior in this thread? Now don't forget to answer. Did I mention, not to forget to answer? I'll wait. Jan It matters not what the subject is, Richard H Jacobson sees my name and starts foaming at the mouth. His pattern of cyberstalking and badgering started long before me, I just happened to be his current target, all others he has run off, boo hoo, he has failed to do that with me. See his pattern here: http://tinyurl.com/39u2g http://tinyurl.com/2vxcl http://tinyurl.com/2nbzc http://tinyurl.com/3gzhf Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual cyberstalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious. Somethings are so predictable -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance >> Why does Jan think that everyone here is only here to attack her? > >Gee, should a mystery. Because Jan Drew is paranoid. She is a stalker who believes that people are out to get her and she responds by trying to get them first. She is a real sicko. She has been trying to stalk me for years. Jan gets upset when someone e-mails her but it is fine and dandy for her to telephone posters here without their permission. It is fine for Jan to call others to ask about posters here. But Jan Drew is not a stalker. Jan Drew is not predatory. Sure!! >> I don't know what is wrong with Jan, but I wish she would choke to >> death on her anger. > >My word, that sounds ever so much like an attack. Of course it does since Jan DRew is paranoid. >You wonder why Jan thinks every one here is only here to attack her. > >It seems this looking for someone turned in to a *hate Jan thread* Of course. Jan DRew is paranoid. She thinks that there is a gang that is trying to attack her. She believes in evil organized medicine. She believes that people who don't share her religious beliefs are led by Satan. Paranoia does not get much more extreme than it does with Jan DRew. >> Jan, why are you the greatest threat to alternative medicine? Why do >> you seek to destroy it with your "advocacy"? >> Why do you post so often but almost never discuss alternative medicine? > >Why have you not answered my questions, Teddy? Here Jan Drew is showing how manipulative she is. She answers a question with a question. >> I think that if anyone is paid to post here, it must be her. Nobody >> posts are often > >It that right? > >Have you counted everyones' posts? Again Jan is showing how manipulative she is by diverting with nonsensical questions. >Don't forget to answer. Here Jan is showing her problem with control and the need to have everyone answer her questions. . >Do show us exactly what your opinion is of how I have harm the cause of >alternative medicine. > >Now don't forget to answer. Again. >You are falling behind on your list. Again. >Here it is again. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Thorson? Or any of your buddies, would you Teddy? Now don't forget to >answer. Notice again how manipulative Jan Drew is. When asked about her seldom discussing alternative medicine Jan Drew changes the subject to others. This is a repeated pattern of hers. >Now don't forget to answer. > >Did I mention, not to forget to answer? > >I'll wait. Not only will she wait but she will obsessively ask the questions over and over and over again. Jan is paranoid, obsessive and predatory. She is the very stalker that she accuses others to be. Aloha, Rich ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance > > I'm sorry I wasn't more clear: I'm looking for someone who has been > > cured from an ailment by any kind of alternative medicine, [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > www.quackwatch.org (you may want to sign up for the Healthfraud mailing > list) Stephen Barrett - Professional Crackpot from quackwatch.org The Internet needs health information it can trust. Stephen Barrett doesn't provide it... Barrett is one of those people whose ambitions and opinions of himself far exceeds his abilities. Without ANY qualifications he has set himself up as an expert in just about everything having to do with health care - and more. And this from a man who is a professional failure. Records show that Barrett never achieved any success in the medical profession. His claim to being a "retired Psychiatrist" is laughable. He is, in fact, a "failed Psychiatrist," and a "failed MD." The Psychiatric profession rejected Barrett years ago, for Barrett could NOT pass the examinations necessary to become "Board Certified." Which, is no doubt why Barrett was, throughout his career, relegated to lower level "part time" positions. Barrett, we know, was forced to give up his medical license in Pennsylvania in 1993 when his "part-time" employment at the State Mental Hospital was terminated, and he had so few (nine) private patients during his last five years of practice, that he couldn't afford the Malpractice Insurance premiums Pennsylvania requires. In a job market in the United States, where there is a "doctor shortage," Stephen Barrett, after his termination by the State mental Hospital, couldn't find employment. He was in his mid-50s at the time. He should have been at the top of his craft - yet, apparently, he couldn't find work. It is obvious, that, after one humiliation after another, in 1993 Barrett simply gave up his medical aspirations, turned in his MD license, and retreated, in bitterness and frustration, to his basement. It was in that basement, where Barrett took up "quackbusting" - which, in reality, means that Barrett attacks "cutting-edge" health professionals and paradigms - those that ARE achieving success in their segment of health care. And there, in "quackbusting" is where Barrett finally found the attention and recognition he seems to crave - for, a while, that is, until three California Judges, in a PUBLISHED Appeals Court decision, took a HARD look at Barrett's activities, and declared him "biased, and unworthy of credibility." Bitterness against successful health professionals is Barrett's hallmark. To him they're all "quacks." In this, his essays are repetitive and pedestrian. Barrett, in his writings, says the same things, the same way, every time - change the victim and the subject, and still you yawn your way through his offerings. It's like he's filling out a form somebody gave him... Take an overactive self importance, couple it with glaring failure and rejection in his chosen profession, add a cup of molten hatred for those that do succeed, pop it in the oven - and out comes Stephen Barrett - self-styled "expert in everything." Barrett, we know, along with his website, is currently named, among other things, in a racketeering (RICO) case in Federal Court in Colorado. He's also being sued for his nefarious activities in Ontario, Canada. Barrett, in the Canadian case, has formally admitted, according to Canadian law, to a number of situations put to him by the Plaintiff, including: "The sole purpose of the activities of Barrett & Baratz are to discredit and cause damage and harm to health care practitioners, businesses that make alternative health therapies or products available, and advocates of non-allopathic therapies and health freedom." "Barrett has interfered with the civil rights of numerous Americans, in his efforts to have his critics silenced." "Barrett has strategically orchestrated the filing of legal actions in improper jurisdictions for the purpose of frustrating the victims of such lawsuits and increasing his victims costs." "Barrett failed the exams he was required to pass to become a Board Certified Medical Doctor." ...>> >> www.quackwatch.org (you may want to sign up for the Healthfraud mailing >> list) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > doesn't > provide it... ... snip a bunch of nonsense from Tim the Ranter... From a website that is rated "Crankier" here: http://www.crank.net/medicine.html Also, Barrett is not the only one: http://home.gil.com.au/~moringa/ http://www.aaskolnick.com/ http://www.valleyskeptic.com/altmed.htm http://www.ebm-first.com/ http://amr2you.blogspot.com/2004/07/anti-quackery_17.html http://www.healthfraudoz.blogspot.com/ http://www.acampbell.org.uk/essays/altmed.html http://www.csmmh.org/about.html http://oracknows.blogspot.com/ http://www.crhp.net/article.html http://www.geocities.com/kbemmott/skeptic.html http://www.acahf.org.au/ http://www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/ http://www.bobpark.com/Articles.htm http://biochemistry.louisville.edu/education/altmed.htm http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/ http://www.hans-egebo.dk/skeptic/Homeopathy%20article.htm http://www.badscience.net/ http://blacktriangle.org/blog/ http://www.livejournal.com/users/amoebic_vodka/ http://photoninthedarkness.blogspot.com/ http://immunoblogging.blogspot.com/ > ...>> >>> www.quack QUACK (you may want to sign up for the Healthfraud mailing [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > ... snip a bunch of nonsense from Tim the Ranter... From a website that > is rated "Crankier" here: <snip a bunch of stuff from erik max francis who a is a unix engineer > Also, Barrett is not the only one: Snip a bunch of stuff from proven liar Peter Moran, who can see no fraud, cover ups, wrong doings within conventional medicine, which killed a teenager snip a bunch of nonsense <snip a bunch of stuff by proven liars snip a buch of crap written by Prof. Richard Dawkins, outspoken opposition to religion, particularly to Christianity snip opinions of a certified public accountant snip lies from a Member Australian Council Against Health Fraud,,,,,,,,,,,,, NOT snip more from anti-quackery ring Ditto snip lies from Orac <snip <yawn> snip anyone who recommends quachwatch > h |
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