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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / September 2005True homeopathy
From this week's update to The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/ True homeopathy (3/9/2005) I was contacted by a journalist on Friday, August 26, for comments about homeopathy. The journalist was writing a piece about the study published in The Lancet which demonstrated, yet again, the uselessness of magic water treatment. I pointed her towards things I had written about homeopathy, explained the scientific vacuity of it and the fraudulent nature of claims that 200C preparations are actually made in practice, and commented on the irony that in the centenary year of Einstein's publication of his paper on Brownian motion we should even be talking about anything based on the idea of infinite dilution. The reporter took the time to ensure that she had my correct affiliations (with Australian Skeptics and the Australian Council Against Health Fraud) to go with any quotes of what I had said. You can see the final article at http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16397%20748%255E23 289,00.html I assume that I was not the only person interviewed who expressed scepticism about this quackery, but the only person quoted at all in the article was the president of the Australian Homeopathic Association, who dismissed the idea that clinical trials could say anything about homeopathy. And he got the last word. Sigh! As an aside, because Peter Torokfalvy from the AHA said that homeopathic preparations have to be individually prepared I sent the following email to him asking for his support in a campaign to remove homeopathic "medicines" from pharmacies. He has not yet replied. Subject: True homeopathy Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 00:00:29 +1000 Dear Mr Torokfalvy, I see from an article about homeopathy in today's Australian that you say that homeopathy must be based on individual treatments. I assume from that statement that you are just as opposed as I am to the sale of prepackaged "homeopathic" products in pharmacies. I look forward to working with you and the Australian Homoeopathic Association to rid pharmacies of these false "homeopathic" products, which by both your definition and mine can only be considered to be examples of quackery and medical fraud. Thank you.  SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > From this week's update to The Millenium Project > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > can see the final article at > http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16397%20748%255E23 289,00.html 404 > I assume that I was not the only person interviewed who expressed > scepticism about this quackery, but the only person quoted at all in [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Thank you. Peter, I am certain that this fine gentleman will appreciate you full support in his quest. ----snip---- Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual stalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious. Somethings are so predictable -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance > "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wr Nothing. She just is looking to start another argument <snip> Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual stalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious. Somethings are so predictable -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance Dude, I hit your hyperlink and it said 404 page not found. Wrong again, hugs and kisses DORK! > Dude, I hit your hyperlink and it said 404 page not found. > > Wrong again, hugs and kisses DORK! Try quoting... WHICH hyperlink, there are several below his name... and I can access them all just fine. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16397%20748%255E23 289,00.html > http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16397%20748%255E23 289,00.html Ah... the newspaper part of the comment. And here it is I thought you meant the three links behind Peter's signature. Now do you understand the reason for quoting? Also, newspaper articles tend to get archived after a certain amount of time. Sometimes they are viable for a year, or sometimes only a couple of days. >> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16397%20748%255E23 289,00.html > > Ah... the newspaper part of the comment. And here it is I thought you > meant the three links behind Peter's signature. Now do you understand the > reason for quoting? Ummm, WRONG. 2. Mark Probert Sep 4, 10:41 am hide options Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, sci.med From: Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:41:42 -0400 Local: Sun, Sep 4 2005 10:41 am Subject: Re: True homeopathy Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Peter Bowditch wrote: > From this week's update to The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/> > True homeopathy (3/9/2005) > I was contacted by a journalist on Friday, August 26, for comments about > homeopathy. The journalist was writing a piece about the study published [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > publication of his paper on Brownian motion we should even be talking > about anything based on the idea of infinite dilution. > The reporter took the time to ensure that she had my correct affiliations > (with Australian Skeptics and the Australian Council Against Health Fraud) > to go with any quotes of what I had said. You can see the final article at > http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16397%2... 404 NOW, YOU CAN STOP LYING, HCN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Also, newspaper articles tend to get archived after a certain amount of > time. Sometimes they are viable for a year, or sometimes only a couple of > days. It did NOT WORK WHEN PETER POSTED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now, do you understand the reason for not lying? Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual stalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious. Somethings are so predictable -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance >>> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16397%20748%255E23 289,00.html >> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > >It did NOT WORK WHEN PETER POSTED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jan, please take a red-hot poker and shove it up your arse. The page was taken down from The Australian's web site some time between when I updated The Millenium Project site (Sunday afternoon) and when I posted the article here. You can see a PDF file of the printable version of the article at http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/noindex/history/050827homeopathyoz.pdf This was printed from The Australian's web site at 8:53AM on Wednesday August 31, 2005 (Sydney time). You can see a scan of the article from The Australian at http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/history/2005/09homeoaust.jpg SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >>>> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16397%20748%255E23 289,00.html >>> [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > Jan, please take a red-hot poker and shove it up your arse. Umm, no, I don't think so. > The page was taken down from The Australian's web site some time > between when I updated The Millenium Project site (Sunday afternoon) > and when I posted the article here. You posted it here at 9:50 am, Sunday.. It did not work then. > You can see a PDF file of the printable version of the article at > <snip> > > This was printed from The Australian's web site at 8:53AM on Wednesday > August 31, 2005 (Sydney time). I could care less when the pfd was printed. > You can see a scan of the article from The Australian at I will see nothing on any of your lying webites. The FACT is BOTH YOU AND HCN LIED! Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual stalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious. Somethings are so predictable -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance > >>>> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16397%20748%255E23 289,00.html > >>> [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > The FACT is BOTH YOU AND HCN LIED! Perhaps Lollipop could point out the lies? Just this once? Posting a dead link isn't usually called lying, but hey, neither is disagreeing with someone or expressing an opinion; except in Doo-Lally-World. Let's see. > Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual stalking and > attacking me. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Best defense to logic is ignorance >> The FACT is BOTH YOU AND HCN LIED! > >Perhaps Lollipop could point out the lies? Just this once? Cue Jan to say (read lie) that she has already pointed out the lies. Cue Jan to call you a liar for pretending not to see the lies. Cue Jan to call (read lie) me a stalker and to then prove that she is a stalker. >Posting a dead link isn't usually called lying, but hey, neither is >disagreeing with someone or expressing an opinion; except in >Doo-Lally-World. Since Jan is a pathologic liar, all bets are off. If you assume that what Jan says is a lie you will likely be right more often than not. Aloha, Rich >Let's see. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance >>>>> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16397%20748%255E23 289,00.html >>>> [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > >Umm, no, I don't think so. Why not? You could always do a cleanse afterwards. >> The page was taken down from The Australian's web site some time >> between when I updated The Millenium Project site (Sunday afternoon) >> and when I posted the article here. > >You posted it here at 9:50 am, Sunday.. It did not work then. Read these words really slowly - the link worked when I updated the web site, but it had stopped working by the time I posted a message here, which was several hours later. I apologise that I didn't check, but I am not responsible for when the employees of Rupert Murdoch update their web sites. >> You can see a PDF file of the printable version of the article at >> <snip> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >I could care less when the pfd was printed. Of course you couldn't, because that might show that The Australian published an article that you want to claim never existed. >> You can see a scan of the article from The Australian at > >I will see nothing on any of your lying webites. How can a scan of a newspaper article be lies? Are you accusing the employees of Rupert Murdoch of being part of the *gang*? (TING) I realise that you can't look at the scan because it would prove that an article appeared in a newspaper. >The FACT is BOTH YOU AND HCN LIED! Neither of us lied. The web changed content. It does it all the time. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >> The page was taken down from The Australian's web site some time >> between when I updated The Millenium Project site (Sunday afternoon) >> and when I posted the article here. > >You posted it here at 9:50 am, Sunday.. It did not work then. Some years ago, Jan got into a slanging match with someone (it may have been Andrew Kingoff) where she went off the deep end about times and refused to believe in the existence of different time zones. Where I live is 10 hours ahead of Time 0 in London and more hours ahead of the time anywhere in the USA. Wherever it was 9:50 on Sunday morning when I posted the message here I don't know, but it was 00:50 AM Monday where I am. >Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:50:42 GMT >NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.45.121.212 >X-Complaints-To: abuse@bigpond.net.au >X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1125845442 203.45.121.212 (Mon, 05 Sep 2005 00:50:42 EST) >NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 00:50:42 EST The update to The Millenium Project was loaded up to the web server at 09:09PM on Sunday, September 4. The message to this newsgroup was posted 3 hours and 41 minutes later. Now, I don't expect Jan to believe me, but anyone can see that when I said that there were several hours between the events I was speaking the truth. Of course, I didn't check the newspaper site just before I loaded the site update so that would have been some further time in the past. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >>>http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16397%20748%255E23 289,00.html >> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > NOW, YOU CAN STOP LYING, HCN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HCN simply stated that the link may be bad because the newspaper archived the story. That happens with lots of papers. Newsday does it after a week. >>Also, newspaper articles tend to get archived after a certain amount of >>time. Sometimes they are viable for a year, or sometimes only a couple of >>days. > > It did NOT WORK WHEN PETER POSTED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Peter may have had the URL saved and did not check it before posting it. > Now, do you understand the reason for not lying? Now do you understand the reasons for not NetStalking? Remove my name for subject line >>>>http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16397%20748%255E23 289,00.html >>> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > HCN simply stated that the link may be bad because the newspaper archived > the story. That happens with lots of papers. Newsday does it after a week. HCN stated EXACTLY the below: Ah... the newspaper part of the comment. And here it is I thought you >>>meant the three links behind Peter's signature. Now do you understand >>>the reason for quoting? >>>Also, newspaper articles tend to get archived after a certain amount of >>>time. Sometimes they are viable for a year, or sometimes only a couple >>>of days. >> >> It did NOT WORK WHEN PETER POSTED >> IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <snip> >> Now, do you understand the reason for not lying? <snip> Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual stalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious. Somethings are so predictable -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance > Remove my name for subject line You need help. >>>>>http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16397%20748%255E23 289,00.html >>>> [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > Best defense to logic is ignorance >http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16397%20748%255E23 289,00.html Hmmm! The Australian is yanking stories sooner than they used to. http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/noindex/history/050827homeopathyoz.pdf SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >>Dude, I hit your hyperlink and it said 404 page not found. >> >>Wrong again, hugs and kisses DORK! > > Try quoting... WHICH hyperlink, there are several below his name... and I > can access them all just fine. The newspaper article. I got a 404 error. >Dude, I hit your hyperlink and it said 404 page not found. Which hyperlink was that? When are you going to learn how to use Usenet? Surely the knowledge can't be too heavy to lift. >Wrong again, hugs and kisses DORK! At least that DORK probably knows how to use Usenet. Unlike you. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >>Dude, I hit your hyperlink and it said 404 page not found. > > Which hyperlink was that? Mark Probert already told you, but you knew that. > When are you going to learn how to use Usenet? Surely the knowledge > can't be too heavy to lift. When are you going to stop ragging? >>Wrong again, hugs and kisses DORK! > > At least that DORK probably knows how to use Usenet. Unlike you. The DORK LIED AND YOU LIED!!!!!! Hmmm! The Australian is yanking stories sooner than they used to. This was AFTER, Mark posted the link did NOT work. Both YOU and HCN have been caught L Y I N G! Give them enough rope,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual stalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious. Somethings are so predictable -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance >>>Dude, I hit your hyperlink and it said 404 page not found. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >When are you going to stop ragging? When is the clown going to learn to quote? >>>Wrong again, hugs and kisses DORK! >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Both YOU and HCN have been caught L Y I N G! Jan, please take a red-hot poker and shove it up your arse. The page was taken down from The Australian's web site some time between when I updated The Millenium Project site (Sunday afternoon) and when I posted the article here. You can see a PDF file of the printable version of the article at http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/noindex/history/050827homeopathyoz.pdf This was printed from The Australian's web site at 8:53AM on Wednesday August 31, 2005 (Sydney time). You can see a scan of the article from The Australian at http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/history/2005/09homeoaust.jpg SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >>>>Dude, I hit your hyperlink and it said 404 page not found. >>> >>> Which hyperlink was that? >> >>Mark Probert already told you, but you knew that. No comment, Peter?!?! >>> When are you going to learn how to use Usenet? Surely the knowledge >>> can't be too heavy to lift. >> >>When are you going to stop ragging? > > When is the clown going to learn to quote? There is no clown. Stop ragging and cslling names. >>>>Wrong again, hugs and kisses DORK! >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Jan, please take a red-hot poker and shove it up your arse. Uh huh. Sounds just like this: LadyLollipop" <LadyLolli...@insightbb.com> wrote: >Do show us where Dr. Haley's fans said he has apologized! >Do prove Mark S Probert disbarred attorney is NOT the Mark S. Probert that >posts here on this newsgroup. >Do show us Where Peter Moran was accused of LYING once for not spelling > "syncrometer" correctly. >Jan Do f.ck off. SignaturePeter Bowditch <snip the repeated, already covered in the previous post> Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual stalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious. Somethings are so predictable -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Best defense to logic is ignorance >Stop ragging and calling names. >On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 17:24:08 GMT, "LadyLollipop" ><LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote: > >>Hmmm Whistle+LOL. WHY would DR Haley be frightened of a lying cockroach like >>you? You first Jan. 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