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Is Haley a crook or what?
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Peter Bowditch - 03 Sep 2005 13:14 GMT Now that I have been able to get access to Boyd Haley's commercial web site (the one which Jan Drew advertises all the time), I see that he is charging $500 for an unapproved test for Amytrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS, or Lou Gehrig's Disease). All the published research about the test and its underlying theory was done by, wait for it, don't get impatient, Dr Boyd Haley.
If he follows the pattern of fraud used in the Roy Smith case (see http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/altmedicine.htm or http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/history/2001/05may.htm, or get Jan to tell you how Roy was robbed), then he will find the marker for ALS and then tell whoever has been tested that they need to have some very expensive chelation to fix the problem.
Testing young people for ALS and then treating them is a much better scam than curing cancer or diabetes. You do the test, produce the "positive" results and give the treatment. ALS is quite rare and doesn't show up until the victim is getting on in years, so if the person never gets it (like most of the population) they will thank Haley and no begrudge him the money he stole. If they do happen to get ALS, Haley will be long gone with the stolen money, and, even if he is still around, he can claim that the treatment is not perfect.
In fact, it's a perfect scam.
I am offering a test for prostate cancer. It costs $450 and requires a urine sample. It is such a sensitive test that it is only useful on men less than twenty years old, because after that the testing equipment gets overloaded. The treatment costs $10,000 and comes with a five-year guarantee. If you don't require surgery by the time you are forty years old then it is obvious that the treatment worked.
I am also working on a test for presbyopia, to be given to 12-year-olds. The test will cost about $300 and the treatment for indolent asymptomatic presbyopia will cost $1,000. If you don't need reading glasses by the age of 30 the treatment worked.
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Mark Probert - 03 Sep 2005 17:01 GMT > Now that I have been able to get access to Boyd Haley's commercial web > site (the one which Jan Drew advertises all the time), I see that he [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > indolent asymptomatic presbyopia will cost $1,000. If you don't need > reading glasses by the age of 30 the treatment worked. Jan will not understand any of the fine points you made.
Haley is despicable for preying one people's fears over a horrible, incurable, disease like ALS.
LadyLollipop - 03 Sep 2005 18:45 GMT <snip lies>
Mark Probert - 04 Sep 2005 16:35 GMT > Jan will not understand any of the fine points you made. > > Haley is despicable for preying one people's fears over > a horrible, incurable, disease like ALS.
> <snip lies> What lies?
ALS is a horrible disease.
ALS is incurable.
Anyone who looks to make a buck off of it is despicable.
I had a friend die of ALS years ago. He was a skilled orthopedic surgeons who noticed a problem onc day while doing surgery. He did not have the fine motor coordination he had previously had.
A week later he was diagnosed with ALS.
A month later he was bedridden.
Six months later he was D E A D.
LadyLollipop - 04 Sep 2005 20:42 GMT LadyLollipop wrote:
<snip lies>
Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual stalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious.
Somethings are so predictable
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Mark Probert - 05 Sep 2005 17:26 GMT > LadyLollipop wrote: > > <snip lies> Here is what you cannot handle and call lies:
> Jan will not understand any of the fine points you made. > > Haley is despicable for preying one people's fears over
> a horrible, incurable, disease like ALS.
> <snip lies> What lies?
ALS is a horrible disease.
ALS is incurable.
Anyone who looks to make a buck off of it is despicable.
I had a friend die of ALS years ago. He was a skilled orthopedic surgeons who noticed a problem onc day while doing surgery. He did not have the fine motor coordination he had previously had.
A week later he was diagnosed with ALS.
A month later he was bedridden.
Six months later he was D E A D.
LadyLollipop - 06 Sep 2005 00:25 GMT "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote
Mark Probert - 07 Sep 2005 15:14 GMT > "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote
> LadyLollipop wrote: > > <snip lies> Here is what you cannot handle and call lies:
> Jan will not understand any of the fine points you made. > > Haley is despicable for preying one people's fears over
> a horrible, incurable, disease like ALS.
> <snip lies> What lies?
ALS is a horrible disease.
ALS is incurable.
Anyone who looks to make a buck off of it is despicable.
I had a friend die of ALS years ago. He was a skilled orthopedic surgeons who noticed a problem onc day while doing surgery. He did not have the fine motor coordination he had previously had.
A week later he was diagnosed with ALS.
A month later he was bedridden.
Six months later he was D E A D.
What's the matter, toots, cannot handle the truth?
LadyLollipop - 03 Sep 2005 18:42 GMT > Now that I have been able to get access to Boyd Haley's commercial web Say what!!!!!!
ROTFLOL.
My, my wasn't that fast. What happened to being blocked?!?! I thought he was frightened by YOU?!?!
> site (the one which Jan Drew advertises all the time), Aww, Petey, forgot to thank me, for showing him how to get there.
I see that he is charging $500 for an unapproved test for Amytrophic Lateral
> Sclerosis (ALS, or Lou Gehrig's Disease). All the published research > about the test and its underlying theory was done by, wait for it, > don't get impatient, Dr Boyd Haley. > > <snip lying websites> <snip the name of a dead man used by Peter over and over, EVEN after his family has expressed to me is private e-mail, they prefer, he not do so>
<snip nonsense>
Peter Bowditch - 04 Sep 2005 03:12 GMT >> Now that I have been able to get access to Boyd Haley's commercial web > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >My, my wasn't that fast. What happened to being blocked?!?! I thought he was >frightened by YOU?!?! Did you read where I said I was going to use an anonymous proxy to see if I could get there? Why, yes you did because you commented on it.
I cannot get to Haley's web site directly from a browser on my computer. I can, however, get to it using a site which connects for me and then gives me access. This might be beyond your understanding, but there are simple ways to block access to a web site based on IP address and there are also ways of getting around this.
>> site (the one which Jan Drew advertises all the time), > >Aww, Petey, forgot to thank me, for showing him how to get there. You didn't show me. Do you own The Cloak?
http://www.the-cloak.com/Cloaked/+cfg=32/http%3A//www.altcorp.com/
> I see that he is charging $500 for an unapproved test for Amytrophic >Lateral [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> <snip lying websites> Which lying web sites? Where are the lies?
><snip the name of a dead man used by Peter over and over, EVEN after his >family has expressed to me is private e-mail, they prefer, he not do so> A man who had his life savings stolen by people who told him that they were chelating the mercury from his body but kept finding that the mercury level was going up. If the chelation was working, the level had to go down.
How can chelation increase the level of mercury in someone like it supposedly did in Roy Smith, Jan?
><snip nonsense> >  Signature Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
LadyLollipop - 04 Sep 2005 05:09 GMT >>> Now that I have been able to get access to Boyd Haley's commercial web >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > there are simple ways to block access to a web site based on IP > address and there are also ways of getting around this. Umm, Peter, you are such a liar.
Here is what you said:
Now that I have been able to get access to Boyd Haley's commercial web.<snip>
NONE of the above was said!
>>> site (the one which Jan Drew advertises all the time), Actually that is a LIE.
I post his webiste for the information and studies there, not for any advertising.
>>Aww, Petey, forgot to thank me, for showing him how to get there. > > You didn't show me. I showed you. I corrected you.
<snip nonsense about a cloak>
>> I see that he is charging $500 for an unapproved test for Amytrophic >>Lateral [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Which lying web sites? Where are the lies? ZZzz.
Been answered many times.
>><snip the name of a dead man used by Peter over and over, EVEN after his >>family has expressed to me is private e-mail, they prefer, he not do so> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>family has expressed to me is private e-mail, they prefer, he not do so, >>and he does it AGAIN, NO RESPECT>
>><snip nonsense> Rich - 04 Sep 2005 12:08 GMT >>>> <snip lying websites> >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Been answered many times. One can rest assured that when you say, "Been answered many times," that you have, of course, never answered at all. There are no lies on Peter's websites, and you have never been able to demonstrate any. Your last attempt was pathetic.
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LadyLollipop - 04 Sep 2005 20:22 GMT >>>>> <snip lying websites> >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> Been answered many times. <snip lies and harassing>
Rich - 04 Sep 2005 20:29 GMT >>>>>> <snip lying websites> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > <snip lies and harassing> <restored> One can rest assured that when you say, "Been answered many times," that you have, of course, never answered at all. There are no lies on Peter's websites, and you have never been able to demonstrate any. Your last attempt was pathetic.
This is neither lies, nor harassing. It is the truth. You can't handle the truth, so, once again, you snip it and yell, "La, La, La, La," with you fingers in your ears.
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LadyLollipop - 04 Sep 2005 22:35 GMT >>>>>>> <snip lying websites> >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> <snip lies and La La harassing> Rich - 05 Sep 2005 04:46 GMT >>>>>>>> <snip lying websites> >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>> >>> <snip lies and La La harassing> Thank you for making my point once again. You lose.
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LadyLollipop - 05 Sep 2005 04:48 GMT >>>>>>>>> <snip lying websites> >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>>>>> >>>>>> Been answered many times. <snip lies and La La harassing>
Mark Probert - 04 Sep 2005 16:37 GMT > <snip the name of a dead man used by Peter over and over, EVEN after his > family has expressed to me is private e-mail, they prefer, he not do so> I see...so that rule regarding no private email is *SELECTIVELY* enforced.
Why am I not surprised?
LadyLollipop - 04 Sep 2005 20:23 GMT >> <snip the name of a dead man used by Peter over and over, EVEN after his >> family has expressed to me is private e-mail, they prefer, he not do so> > > I see...so that rule regarding no private email is *SELECTIVELY* enforced. You do NOT see.
Mark Probert - 05 Sep 2005 17:27 GMT >>><snip the name of a dead man used by Peter over and over, EVEN after his >>>family has expressed to me is private e-mail, they prefer, he not do so> >> >>I see...so that rule regarding no private email is *SELECTIVELY* enforced. > > You do NOT see. I see very clearly. You received email from someone and do not have a negative thing to say, because you claim that they support you.
LadyLollipop - 06 Sep 2005 00:23 GMT >>>><snip the name of a dead man used by Peter over and over, EVEN after his >>>>family has expressed to me is private e-mail, they prefer, he not do so> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I see very clearly. You do NOT see.
The name of a dead man will NOT be discussed. *I*respect his family.
Mark Probert - 07 Sep 2005 15:15 GMT >>>>><snip the name of a dead man used by Peter over and over, EVEN after his >>>>>family has expressed to me is private e-mail, they prefer, he not do so> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > The name of a dead man will NOT be discussed. *I*respect his family. Bullshit. You do not repsect the dead if they show a problem in conventional medicine. Ben and Jesse come to mind.
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