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Peter Bowditch - 03 Sep 2005 05:22 GMT What has happened to the famous altcorp.com web site, home of Dr Boyd Haley (he of the pendulous, thigh-length CV)? It has been missing for some weeks now. Has it been chelated? Has Dr Haley (who speaks before congress but falls asleep after congress) developed a conscience and closed it down?
I have checked both Outlook and ACT! at Illuminati HQ and nobody seems to have had "Close Haley's web site" as a ToDo in their diary.
A mystery.
 Signature Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
LadyLollipop - 03 Sep 2005 06:13 GMT > What has happened to the famous altcorp.com web site, home of Dr Boyd > Haley (he of the pendulous, thigh-length CV)? It has been missing for > some weeks now. NOT.
What is it you would like to know?
(Took 0.15seconds, btw)
http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/
Dental Information
Dental Information Web Section is under redevelopment. Please check again in a short time.
Don't let a little thing like that stop you, go at it a different way. kaboom, just looky what
you can find.
http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/environmentharm.htm
http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/domestichgsources.htm
http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/ignominioushonors.htm
http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/adahgwastes.htm
http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/ndrihgwastes.htm
<Insults snipped>
> I have checked both Outlook and ACT! ROTFLOL.
Do bone up on your checking skills.
at Illuminati HQ and nobody seems
> to have had "Close Haley's web site" as a ToDo in their diary. You forgot to check with *me*
Look ashamed!
> A mystery. ROTFLOL AGAIN!!!
<snip>
LadyLollipop - 03 Sep 2005 06:22 GMT >> What has happened to the famous altcorp.com web site, home of Dr Boyd >> Haley (he of the pendulous, thigh-length CV)? It has been missing for [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > <snip> Excuse me all to peices, I forgot to add:
Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual stalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious.
Somethings are so predictable
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Rich.@. - 03 Sep 2005 19:18 GMT >Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual stalking and >attacking me. Is this thread about Richard H. Jacobson?
Usual stalking? Well if Jan Drew aka Lady Lollipoop wants to change the subject to *stalking* I would be happy to oblige:
Who is it that repeatedly publishes on mha what she thinks is the name, business address and telephone number of a poster here??
Answer: Jan Drew
Why is Jan Drew posting someone's business address and phone number in misc.health.alternative??
Answer: She is a stalker
Who is it that said that she called what she believed was the business phone number of a poster in this newsgroup??
Answer: Jan Drew
Why did Jan Drew call what she believed to be the business phone number of a poster in this newsgroup??
Answer: She is a stalker.
Who is it, that failing to contact the poster at the number she called, then called others at that business address who might know the poster??
Answer: Jan Drew
Why is it that Jan Drew (aka Lady Lollipop) contacted someone who she thought might know the poster here??
Answer: She is a stalker.
Jan Drew/ LadyLollipop is correct. It is most clear who the stalker is. It is Jan Drew who every day demonstrates not only that she is a stalker but also a hypocrite and a liar.
Oh yes. Who is it that asserted that a physician lost his license when she had no proof??
Answer: Jan Drew
Who is it that failed to provide evidence that the physician lost his license??
Answer: Jan Drew
Why did Jan Drew bear false witness against thy neighbor??
Answer: She is a hypocrite who falsely claims she is a Christian while she repeatedly lies and bears false witness against others. How much more despicable can a person be by pretending to have Christian values and then repeatedly spitting on the Ten Commandments. May God have mercy on Jan's soul.
Aloha,
Rich
PS: I absolutely guarantee that if Jan Drew responds to this post it will be to start a new thread attacking me proving that she is a stalker who will not take responsibility for her behavior. Just watch.
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LadyLollipop - 03 Sep 2005 20:42 GMT Cue for Richard H Jacobson PROVEN LIAR, NAME CALLER with a PROVEN pattern of STALKING, badgering and ATTACKING, long before me.(see below) /akaRich..@.. to post with his usual stalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious.
Somethings are so predictable
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Are you sure my name is Richard Jacobson??
>>>>Is it or isn't it? >>Negative. Does this mean that I don't have to agree to Jan's request to cease and desist?? Of course her request presumes that I have been stalking and harassing her.
>I am grateful for one thing; that Richard Jacobson is not my real name. Unfortunately the Richard Jacobson that DOES live in Hawaii may not be too happy with my assuming his name for purposes of the internet especially given the recent events. He happens to live on a different island from me. I do plan to contact him to let him know that someone may try to harass him since he is listed in the phone book. =============================== Hiking The Kalalau Trail
Richard Jacobson (richj@cris.com) Sat, 16 Mar 1996 00:27:34 -0500 (EST)
>Hawaii's premier backpacking trail, the Kalalau Trail on the island of Kauai still remains closed past Hanakoa due to the reconstruction of the trail near "crawler's ridge". Estimated date of completion is Mid May. Until then, camping will only be permitted in Hanakapiai and Hanakoa Valleys. I for one am anxious to have Kalalau open again. It has to be one of the finest trails in the world.
Aloha, Rich ------------------------ ------------------------ Richard H. Jacobson Always remember to put Horace before Descarte
>I prefer whenever possible NOT to make things personal. >It leads to resentment and hard feelings.
>I personally think that Jan Drew is one of the most despicable individuals on this planet. She would have fit right in with Hitler and Nazi Germany.
(Now what was he saying about being a hypocrite?)
>>In any case I will continue to pray to Saint Jude, patron saint of lost >causes, that something will happen that prevents Jan from posting in this >newsgroup since praying that she will change would take more than a >miracle. Unfortunately my prayers have not yet been answered. However I believe that there is justice in this world and soon my prayers will be answered. I am patient.
>Aloha,
>Rich
>2001 http://tinyurl.com/39u2g
http://tinyurl.com/2vxcl
http://tinyurl.com/2nbzc
http://tinyurl.com/3gzhf
Rich.@. - 03 Sep 2005 20:53 GMT
>On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:57:03 GMT, "LadyLollipop" ><LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >>Genesis 27:19-20, 24. Jacob had to lie again to cover up his first lie ------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------
Best defense to logic is ignorance
Rich.@. - 03 Sep 2005 21:31 GMT >PS: I absolutely guarantee that if Jan Drew responds to this post it >will be to start a new thread attacking me proving that she is a >stalker who will not take responsibility for her behavior. Just watch. And then right on cue Jan Drew aka Lady Lollipop starts a new thread to attack me and proving that she is the stalker who repeatedly tries to expose what she believes to be my real life name. Jan Drew is very frustrated because she is unable to get me to stop exposing her lies and hypocrisy. She is left to despicable stalking behavior.
Some things are so predictable.
Aloha,
Rich
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LadyLollipop - 03 Sep 2005 21:41 GMT > Cue for Richard H Jacobson PROVEN LIAR, NAME CALLER with a PROVEN > pattern of STALKING, badgering and ATTACKING, long before me.(see below) [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > > http://tinyurl.com/3gzhf Peter Bowditch - 03 Sep 2005 12:34 GMT >> What has happened to the famous altcorp.com web site, home of Dr Boyd >> Haley (he of the pendulous, thigh-length CV)? It has been missing for [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Dental Information Web Section is under redevelopment. > Please check again in a short time. So that is why it says the following right now:
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Cannot find server or DNS Error Internet Explorer
So that is why a trace right now says:
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See how Node #30 is unreachable?
> Don't let a little thing like that stop you, go at it a different way. >kaboom, just looky what > > you can find. > >http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/environmentharm.htm Cannot find server or DNS Error Internet Explorer
>http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/domestichgsources.htm Cannot find server or DNS Error Internet Explorer
>http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/ignominioushonors.htm Cannot find server or DNS Error Internet Explorer
>http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/adahgwastes.htm Cannot find server or DNS Error Internet Explorer
>http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/ndrihgwastes.htm Cannot find server or DNS Error Internet Explorer
><Insults snipped> >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Do bone up on your checking skills. I can assure you that if I can't find something in ACT! it isn't there.
> at Illuminati HQ and nobody seems >> to have had "Close Haley's web site" as a ToDo in their diary. > >You forgot to check with *me* Do you have "Close Haley's web site" in your diary? Please try to read for comprehension. Why would I look in a diary at Illuminati HQ to find Haley's web site.
>Look ashamed! >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] ><snip> >  Signature Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
Mark Probert - 03 Sep 2005 16:58 GMT Peter, Jan is correct. I have no difficulty acessing the page, either in IE or Firefox.
I would have preferred having difficulty for obvious reasons.
>>>What has happened to the famous altcorp.com web site, home of Dr Boyd >>>Haley (he of the pendulous, thigh-length CV)? It has been missing for [quoted text clipped - 302 lines] >> >><snip> LadyLollipop - 03 Sep 2005 17:36 GMT >>> What has happened to the famous altcorp.com web site, home of Dr Boyd >>> Haley (he of the pendulous, thigh-length CV)? It has been missing for [quoted text clipped - 302 lines] >> >><snip> Whew!
Bless!
See up coming post!
LadyLollipop - 03 Sep 2005 17:53 GMT >> What has happened to the famous altcorp.com web site, home of Dr Boyd >> Haley (he of the pendulous, thigh-length CV)? It has been missing for [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > you can find. They ALL work, Peter on Outlook!
You're welcome.
> http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/environmentharm.htm While the debate over whether mercury fillings pose a health risk remains unresolved, there is more widespread worry about harm to the environment when mercury from old fillings reaches the waste stream.
"The only real issue in dental offices with regard to mercury is when we remove a silver filling, we grind out an old silver filling, the amalgam is sucked down into the waste water system and there is some evidence that the mercury is released in the ground water,'' said Methuen dentist Dr. Thomas Torrisi.
According to Mark E. Stone, researcher at the Naval Dental Research Institute in Great Lakes, Ill., elemental mercury in amalgams can become methylmercury, or a more dangerous form, when it is surrounded by bacteria, especially from sediment in the ground water.
Methylmercury is known to accumulate in fish and move up the biodiversity chain. People in the Merrimack Valley have already been warned against eating fish caught in local waterways, since many of those tested exhibited high levels of mercury.
In a report out this month, Health Care Without Harm and other groups charges that dentists are the third largest users of mercury in the country and the single largest polluter of mercury to the nation's waste water treatment plants.
In the process of restoring teeth, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons of mercury each year, most of which is released directly into the environment, said Bill Ravenisi of Health Care Without Harm.
"While many other industries, including hospitals, are phasing out the use of mercury products, dentists continue to use large amounts of mercury and dispose of it improperly. We call on American Dental Association and on dentists everywhere to pledge to stop polluting our environment and endangering our health,'' he said.
The Massachusetts Water Resources Authority is working with the Massachusetts Dental Society to find appropriate machinery for all 4,400 dentists in Massachusetts to use to separate amalgams from the waste stream before it goes into the water supply.
"We're not taking a position on whether mercury in amalgams is safe or not. Our concern is just what happens when it gets into the environment and keeping it out of the environment,'' said Peter Nugent of the Massachusetts Department of Environmental Protection.
In New Hampshire earlier this month, Gov. Jeanne Shaheen signed into law a bill that will require dentists in the state starting Jan. 1 to separate mercury from their waste flow as well as provide their patients information about the debate over the safety of dental amalgams containing mercury.
> http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/domestichgsources.htm (that one has several, here is just one)
Washington, DC - The Association of Metropolitan Sewerage Agencies (AMSA) reports that mercury levels in household wastewater are sufficiently high to pose Clean Water Act compliance problems for the nation's wastewater treatment plants. The findings of the AMSA study underscore the need for a comprehensive, priority-based, cost-effective national strategy to reduce mercury in the environment. The complete report, "Evaluation of Domestic Sources of Mercury," is available on AMSA's web site.
Mercury contamination is the leading cause of fish advisories in the country. Because mercury "bioaccumulates" in the fatty tissues of fish and wildlife as it passes up the food chain, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is expected to recommend significantly stricter national water quality criteria for mercury later this year - at or near the level of 1 part per trillion, which is already in place in the Great Lakes.
Mercury from domestic wastewater and municipal treatment plants accounts for less than 1 percent of mercury entering the environment. Still many wastewater treatment agencies are concerned that compliance will require the application of advanced treatment at their publicly owned treatment works (POTWs) that have been shown to cost $10 million - $100 million for every pound of mercury removed. In addition, such advanced treatment may not have much impact on resolving water quality issues as long as mercury continues to enter the environment from other sources such as air pollution or abandoned mines. EPA believes that by using new analytical and sampling techniques and pollution minimization, POTWs should have no difficulty in attaining these more stringent requirements. EPA's conclusions in large part are based on a 1994 mercury sampling project that showed four of nine wastewater treatment plants had non-detectable mercury levels. This approach, however, assumes that there is no background mercury concentration in domestic wastes. Until recently there has been very little information on mercury concentrations in domestic waste, mainly due to a lack of monitoring at a sufficiently low level.
To better understand the relative contributions of mercury in domestic wastes and potential source control options, AMSA initiated a study to collect information on concentrations of mercury in domestic wastewater, to identify the sources of mercury in domestic wastewater, and to evaluate the feasibility of controlling those mercury sources. Sources evaluated included common household products and food items, as well as research on mercury contributions from individuals with amalgam fillings.
The results of this study offer some important observations for sources of mercury in domestic wastewater and the feasibility of effective control options, and are available in a final report from AMSA. The major findings are listed below. Significant amounts of mercury at the average concentration of 138 parts per trillion were consistently found in strictly domestic wastewater in various parts of the country. This was wastewater that contained no industrial or commercial inputs, dental offices included. POTWs remove 97 percent of mercury that is discharged into sewage systems. Several common household and toiletry items were found to contain substantial concentrations of mercury when examined using sensitive analytical techniques. Although these products individually do not contribute significantly to a total concentration in wastewaters, their cumulative effect accounts for approximately 15 percent of the mercury concentration in domestic wastewater. The feasibility of controlling these sources would require a broad national effort. Although several sources contributing to the domestic mercury concentrations have been identified, human wastes (feces and urine) from individuals with dental amalgam fillings are believed to be the most significant source - greater than 80 percent. These results were corroborated by the results from chemical toilet and septic wastes that showed that a significant portion of the mercury in domestic wastewater is from uncontrollable sources such as dental amalgam fillings. While controlling human wastes is impractical, the long-term outlook is promising inasmuch as the trend in dental health is for fewer cavities and resulting in smaller and smaller populations of amalgam-loaded individuals over time. Based on this information, domestic waste contributes appreciable concentrations of mercury to POTW influent wastestreams and must be considered when addressing mercury control strategies and the likelihood of virtual elimination of mercury. Background mercury concentrations averaging more than 100 parts per trillion can be expected in POTW wastewater influents, even if complete elimination of industrial point source discharges is accomplished.
In EPA's cost analysis for the Great Lakes Water Quality Initiative, and in subsequent discussions with wastewater representatives, the Agency has supported the use of pollutant minimization programs as a way for achieving compliance. AMSA strongly endorses and promotes pollution minimization efforts, but is concerned that these efforts may not be adequate to produce the desired level of permit compliance sought by regulatory authorities, highlighting the need for a national mercury compliance strategy for POTWs.
AMSA represents the nation's publicly owned wastewater agencies. Together, AMSA member agencies serve the majority of the sewered population and reclaim over 18 billion gallons of wastewater every day.
About - AMSA Year in Review - 2001-2002 - AMSA Takes Strides Toward a National Mercury Policy
http://www.amsa-cleanwater.org/about/02yir/17.cfm
While publicly owned treatment works (POTWs) are on the front lines of the fight to reduce the level of mercury in our nation's waters, they find themselves, more and more, on the receiving end of stringent mercury permit limits, where end-of-pipe treatment simply will not be the solution. As a result, AMSA has been very involved over this past year in urging the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), Congress and fellow associations and organizations to support a national mercury strategy that will take into account not only the appropriate role for POTWs in reducing mercury levels - but also the responsibility of domestic and industrial users of mercury to do the same.
AMSA Gathers Evidence, Seeks to Enlist EPA's Support on Mercury On March 8, 2002, AMSA released its Mercury Source Control and Pollution Prevention Program Evaluation - Final Report. The Report, funded by EPA, is the product of two years of cooperative effort between AMSA and EPA to evaluate the effectiveness of pollution prevention programs to control the amount of mercury discharged by dental offices, hospitals, and other sources into the sewer system. The Report provides evidence that neither POTWs - nor industrial or commercial sources of mercury - can be singled out to solve this complex issue. This Report will serve as a significant and lasting factor in AMSA's ongoing advocacy efforts and the critical importance of making progress toward a national mercury strategy.
Critically, AMSA has been on the front lines of explaining that there is currently no method available that can meet mercury levels of less than 1 part per trillion, which some states have considered mandating, and that such a level would automatically, and arbitrarily, force POTWs into noncompliance. AMSA has also written EPA Administrator Christine Todd Whitman urging her to work with a coalition of leaders from state environmental associations (known as the Quicksilver Caucus), as well as leaders from the POTW community, to craft a viable a national strategy.
AMSA-Backed Mercury Legislation Garners Important Attention This year, AMSA staunchly supported the Mercury Reduction and Disposal Act of 2001, S. 351, introduced by Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME). The legislation would create an Interagency Task Force on Mercury to guide the development of a national environmental mercury compliance strategy. AMSA launched a successful campaign in June 2001 urging Association members to send letters to their Senators in support of S. 351 to ensure that mercury controls look beyond traditional end-of-pipe controls. These efforts resulted in increased support for S. 351 from key Senators including Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), and George V. Voinovich (R-OH) who continue to vocally support the need for a national strategy. While action on the bill itself has been overtaken by other events, AMSA will continue to explore both regulatory and legislative means to push for a national mercury policy.
> http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/ignominioushonors.htm Dentists' mercury could hurt environment
By Marjory Sherman Eagle-Tribune Writer
Monday, June 24, 2002 http://www.eagletribune.com/framesets/news.htm
While the debate over whether mercury fillings pose a health risk remains unresolved, there is more widespread worry about harm to the environment when mercury from old fillings reaches the waste stream.
"The only real issue in dental offices with regard to mercury is when we remove a silver filling, we grind out an old silver filling, the amalgam is sucked down into the waste water system and there is some evidence that the mercury is released in the ground water,'' said Methuen dentist Dr. Thomas Torrisi.
According to Mark E. Stone, researcher at the Naval Dental Research Institute in Great Lakes, Ill., elemental mercury in amalgams can become methylmercury, or a more dangerous form, when it is surrounded by bacteria, especially from sediment in the ground water.
Methylmercury is known to accumulate in fish and move up the biodiversity chain. People in the Merrimack Valley have already been warned against eating fish caught in local waterways, since many of those tested exhibited high levels of mercury.
In a report out this month, Health Care Without Harm and other groups charges that dentists are the third largest users of mercury in the country and the single largest polluter of mercury to the nation's waste water treatment plants.
In the process of restoring teeth, dentists use approximately 40 metric tons of mercury each year, most of which is released directly into the environment, said Bill Ravenisi of Health Care Without Harm.
"While many other industries, including hospitals, are phasing out the use of mercury products, dentists continue to use large amounts of mercury and dispose of it improperly. We call on American Dental Association and on dentists everywhere to pledge to stop polluting our environment and endangering our health,'' he said.
The Massachusetts Water Resources Authority is working with the Massachusetts Dental Society to find appropriate machinery for all 4,400 dentists in Massachusetts to use to separate amalgams from the waste stream before it goes into the water supply.
"We're not taking a position on whether mercury in amalgams is safe or not. Our concern is just what happens when it gets into the environment and keeping it out of the environment,'' said Peter Nugent of the Massachusetts Department of Environmental Protection.
In New Hampshire earlier this month, Gov. Jeanne Shaheen signed into law a bill that will require dentists in the state starting Jan. 1 to separate mercury from their waste flow as well as provide their patients information about the debate over the safety of dental amalgams containing mercury.
> http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/adahgwastes.htm The American Dental Association's Response to the Problem of Mercury Amalgam Wastes
MercuryPolicy.org
http://www.mercurypolicy.org/
12/2/02 Chicago The American Dental Association's "National Advocacy Initiative" to reduce dental amalgam in wastewater launched today is a step forward, but nearly toothless, say health and environmental groups (see the press release). http://www.mercurypolicy.org/new/documents/ADA120202ChicagoRelease.pdf
The ADA Initiative and accompanying back up report by Environ is based on flawed assumptions that dental mercury pollution is not a "significant" problem and that installation of amalgam separators by dentists is cost-prohibitive and not necessary. http://www.mercurypolicy.org/new/documents/ADANationalAdvocacyInitiative.pdf
http://www.mercurypolicy.org/new/documents/ADAScientificAssessmentVersion3.pdf
"There is much 'fuzzy science' and doublespeak in the ADA's 'Initiative'--which should more appropriately be called 'Impediment'," said Charles Brown, Esq., of Consumers for Dental Choice. "The upshot is that ADA recommends doing little more than what the law requires." The Environ report's cost analysis for capturing dental mercury--estimated at between $45,000 to $141,000 per pound--is wildly off-base, compared to real life examples in dental clinics in both the US and Canada, say the groups. "I am surprised that the ADA would stand behind such wildly erroneous cost estimates for capturing dental mercury, when their own scientists have recently evaluated amalgam separators," said Bender. "Based on the latest government estimates, the average cost for dental clinics to operate amalgam separators is about $60 per month, with a one time upfront cost of between $1,000 to $1,500 to purchase an amalgam separator. How that equates to over $40,000 to capture a pound of dental mercury is beyond me." Read the full MPP analysis of the Environ Report. http://www.mercurypolicy.org/new/documents/MPPresponseEnviron120202.pdf
ADA Statement: Dental Amalgam in Dental Office Wastewater
http://www.ada.org/prof/prac/issues/statements/amalgam4.html
The American Dental Association (ADA) and its members are committed to providing the best possible health care in an environmentally responsible manner. Since the early 1980's, the ADA has advocated for the proper handling and recycling of amalgam tooth-filling wastes from dental offices.
In addition, the ADA developed a comprehensive action plan that addresses amalgam in dental office wastewater, including an assessment of the release of mercury from dental offices, educational activities for dental office personnel and the effectiveness of current amalgam reduction technology. The plan is being implemented now, starting with the scientific assessments on which all ADA policy is based.
In the meantime, the ADA has evaluated the efficiency of commercially available amalgam separators, a dental office device that filters amalgam particles from wastewater. The results of that study were published in the May 2002 issue of The Journal of the American Dental Association as a guide to ADA members.
The ADA is aware that some waste amalgam particles generated during the placement and removal of amalgam restorations (fillings) end up in dental office wastewater. However, a 1996 study found that when amalgam particles were subjected to simulated wastewater treatment processes, no soluble mercury was detected, even at a concentration of one part per billion.
Nonetheless, dentists around the country, with leadership from organized dentistry, are increasingly adopting a best management practices approach to environmental issues.
The ADA does not endorse any single pretreatment source reduction method but believes that any reduction method should consider factors specific to a dental office. In addition, the ADA will continue to evaluate new reduction technology as it becomes available and actively address the issue of amalgam in dental wastewater.
Page Updated: November 09, 2004
> http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/ndrihgwastes.htm This Dental Mercury Environmental Issues Website was developed to provide a resource for the management of mercury in the dental-unit wastewater stream. This Website is supported by a grant from the Great Lakes National Program Office of the United States Environmental Protection Agency: Interagency agreement number DW17947929-01-0. EPA project manager Edward Klappenbach, Great Lakes National Program Office, 77 West Jackson Boulevard, Chicago, IL 60604 (312) 353-1378.
Please e-mail mark.stone@ndri.med.navy.mil for questions about this site.
Publications http://www.dentalmercury.com/publication.html
New Abstracts Methylmercury Content of Dental-Unit Wastewater TCLP Analysis and Residual Mercury Levels in Dental Wastewater Lines New American Dental Association abstract evaluating amalgam separators Publications The Management of Mercury in the Dental-Unit Wastewater Stream (Full paper in PDF Format) Mercury Removal from Wastewater -- Dr. Thomas Klasson Oak Ridge National Laboratory Solid Waste Disposal Issues and Dental Amalgam (Full paper in PDF Format) Residual Mercury Content and Leaching of Mercury and Silver from Used Amalgam Capsules (Full paper in PDF Format) The Removal of Mercury from Dental-Operatory Wastewater by Polymer Treatment Mercury Levels and Particle Size Distribution in the Dental Unit Wastewater Stream at Naval Dental Center, Norfolk, Virginia, USA Mercury Removal From Dental Operatory Wastewater Using Polymers Silver Generation Rates from Dental Wastewater ICP Analysis of Dental Wastewater Electro Kinetic Properties of Colloidal Dental Wastewater Mercury Removal Method and Device for Dental Operatory Wastewater Mercury Management of Dental-Wastewater Streams Using Secondary Treatments Technique for Removing Polymer-Bound Mercury from Dental Wastewater Line Cleanser/Disinfectant Effects on Soluble Mercury Content of Dental Wastewater Mercury Removal from Dental Wastewater by a Microbial Bioadsorbent Derived from Genetically Engineered Bacteria Evaluation of an Integrated System to Remove Mercury from Dental-Unit Wastewater Mercury Hygiene Best Management Practices
Technologies http://www.dentalmercury.com/technologies.html
Most of the mercury released into the wastewater stream leaving the dental-unit is in the form of amalgam particulate. However a significant quantity of mercury is in the "soluble form" (< 0.45 microns) and in high enough concentrations to violate discharge limits for some local Publicly Owned Treatment Works (POTWs). Amalgam separating devices currently marketed to remediate this problem are certified using an ISO standard (ISO 11143) that focuses on percent particle removal (> 95%) utilizing a standard amalgam sample suspended in water. However the regulations governing the discharge of metals into the wastewater stream are framed in terms of concentrations and load. The United States Environmental Protection agency (US EPA) has instituted the Environmental Technology Verification Program (ETV) to verify the performance of commercial technologies. The US EPA Office of Research and Development and NSF International, an independent, not-for-profit organization have published a protocol for the evaluation of amalgam separators. This protocol looks at efficiency as a function of mercury concentrations as opposed to percent particle removal. There are numerous "amalgam separating" devices available to dentists, but particle separation may not be enough to satisfy local regulators. Dentists need to be aware of this issue before purchasing expensive devices that may not satisfy the discharge requirements of POTWs.
Scanning electron micrograph of mercury containing amalgam particulate in dental-unit wastewater.
The following is a list of just a few of the amalgam separating systems (also known as pretreatment systems) available in the marketplace. This list of commercially available products does not imply endorsement.
AB Dental Trends, Rasch 890 amalgam separator
KeyleX© mercury sorbent system from Solmetex, Inc.
ADA Technologies, Inc.
Nalco, Inc. polymers N8701 (NALMET®) and N8186 (ULTRION®)
Air Techniques, Inc
Maximum Separation Systems Inc.
Pure Water Development, L.L.C. - METASYS Group
Dental Amalgam Recyclers
Methods http://www.dentalmercury.com/methods.html
Analytical Methods Method 1630: is for determination of methyl mercury (CH3Hg) in filtered and unfiltered water by distillation, aqueous ethylation, purge and trap, desorption, and cold vapor atomic fluorescence spectrometry (CVAFS). Method 1631: allows determination of mercury at a minimum level (ML) of 0.5 ng/L (parts-per-trillion; ppt), approximately 400 times lower than the level achieved by other mercury methods previously approved at 40 CFR Part 136. Method 245.1: This method describes the instrumental analytical procedures for mercury by cold vapor atomic absorption (CVAA). Method 7470 A: is a cold-vapor atomic absorption procedure approved for determining the concentration of mercury in mobility-procedure extracts, aqueous wastes, and ground waters. Method 7471 A: is approved for measuring total mercury (organic and inorganic) in soils, sediments, bottom deposits, and sludge-type materials. Method 7473: is designated for the determination of mercury in solids, aqueous samples, and digested solutions in both the laboratory and field environments
Links http://www.dentalmercury.com/links.html
The following are links to other Websites that focus on the issues of mercury content from the dental-unit wastewater stream: Organizations Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry Association of Metropolitan Sewerage Agencies (AMSA) Great Lakes Information Network Organization for Safety and Asepsis Procedures The Great Lakes Regional Pollution Prevention Roundtable The American Dental Association
Private Industry Nalco Chemical Company Solmetex, Inc. ADA Technologies, Inc.
U.S. Military Naval Dental Research Institute US Air Force Dental Investigation Service US Navy Dental Corps Critical Issues Affecting the Naval Dental Corps
U.S. Legislation & Regulations CESQGS Rule Page CFR 40 Clean Air Act of 1970, as Amended Clean Water Act of 1977, as Amended NESHAP for POTW RCRA Online Rule 1179 Safe Drinking Water Act Toxic Substances Control Act of 1976
U.S. EPA Programs/Documentation United States Environmental Protection Agency (USEPA) EPA's Office of Water Homepage The Great Lakes National Program Office Mercury In Medical Facilities US EPA Protocol for testing and evaluation of amalgam separators
Environmental Health Perspectives Volume 107, Number 1, January 1999
[ Citation in PubMed ] [ Related Articles ]
The Removal of Mercury from Dental-operatory Wastewater by Polymer Treatment Ernest D. Pederson, Mark E. Stone, and Victor G. Ovsey
Naval Dental Research Institute, Applied Laboratory Science Department, Great Lakes, IL 60088-5259 USA
http://ehpnet1.niehs.nih.gov/docs/1999/107p3-8pederson/abstract.html
Abstract The mercury (Hg) content of dental-operatory wastewater has become an issue in many localities, and Hg removal is rapidly becoming a matter of concern for all dental clinics. This preliminary study tested the efficacy of polymers for the removal of Hg contaminants from the dental-unit wastewater stream. Two commercially available polymers were used to treat dental-operatory wastewater. Used separately, each polymer removed from 74.9% to 88.4% of the Hg from dental-wastewater supernatant. The polymers used in combination, within the recommended pH range, removed up to 99.9% of the total Hg from dental-wastewater supernatant. The estimated optimal concentration of the two polymers is approximately 2.33 ml of each per liter of waste, and more than 90% of the Hg may be removed with 0.13 ml/l. Results indicate that a combination of the two polymers may sufficiently reduce Hg levels to allow discharge of clarified supernatants into public sewer systems. Key words: amalgam, dental, mercury, polymer, wastewater. Environ Health Perspect 107:3-8 (1999). [Online 4 December 1998]
http://ehpnet1.niehs.nih.gov/docs/1999/107p3-8pederson/abstract.html
Address correspondence to E.D. Pederson, Naval Dental Research Institute, Applied Laboratory Science Department, Building 1-H, 310A B Street, Great Lakes, IL 60088-5259 USA. We thank B.L. Lamberts and P.L. Fan for assistance with manuscript preparation and P.L. Choo for providing the polymers. Supported by the Naval Medical Research and Development Command, Bethesda, Maryland, project 063706N M0095.006-0515. The views expressed herein are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Departments of the Navy or Defense, nor the U. S. Government. The use of commercially available products does not imply endorsement.
Received 28 April 1998; accepted 4 August 1998.
> <Insults snipped> >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > <snip> Mark Probert - 04 Sep 2005 16:32 GMT Your post contained graphics. You know what that does.
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>>>What has happened to the famous altcorp.com web site, home of Dr Boyd >>>Haley (he of the pendulous, thigh-length CV)? It has been missing for [quoted text clipped - 582 lines] >> >><snip> LadyLollipop - 04 Sep 2005 20:44 GMT > LadyLollipop wrote: > > Your post contained graphics. You know what that does. No, I did NOT wite that.
>>>>What has happened to the famous altcorp.com web site, home of Dr Boyd >>>>Haley (he of the pendulous, thigh-length CV)? It has been missing for [quoted text clipped - 598 lines] >>> >>><snip> HCN - 03 Sep 2005 06:59 GMT > What has happened to the famous altcorp.com web site, home of Dr Boyd > Haley (he of the pendulous, thigh-length CV)? It has been missing for > some weeks now. Has it been chelated? No, I just checked it: http://www.altcorp.com/ ... all there in its nauseating "glory".
Has Dr Haley (who speaks before
> congress but falls asleep after congress) developed a conscience and > closed it down? Hah! No, never... he is on to seeing if "heavy metal poisoning" can be treated with another heavy metal: http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Science&article=UPI-1-20050829-16 053300-bc-ageofautism.xml
> I have checked both Outlook and ACT! at Illuminati HQ and nobody seems > to have had "Close Haley's web site" as a ToDo in their diary. > > A mystery. Maybe it is just like Showtime's Penn and Teller's website: http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/home.do ... they do not like Australians.
Peter Bowditch - 03 Sep 2005 12:46 GMT >> What has happened to the famous altcorp.com web site, home of Dr Boyd >> Haley (he of the pendulous, thigh-length CV)? It has been missing for >> some weeks now. Has it been chelated? > >No, I just checked it: http://www.altcorp.com/ ... all there in its >nauseating "glory". It's been unreachable from here for three weeks, because it has been picked up in my last two link checks. As you can see in the trace I posted to Jan, I can get as close as one IP address away.
>Has Dr Haley (who speaks before >> congress but falls asleep after congress) developed a conscience and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >treated with another heavy metal: >http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Science&article=UPI-1-20050829-16 053300-bc-ageofautism.xml Tragic. I have already received an enquiry from some desperate parent wanting me to put them in touch with Haley so that he can raise their hopes.
I notice that he is now a "former chemistry department chairman at the university". Maybe the university woke up to how incompetent he is.
>> I have checked both Outlook and ACT! at Illuminati HQ and nobody seems >> to have had "Close Haley's web site" as a ToDo in their diary. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Maybe it is just like Showtime's Penn and Teller's website: >http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/home.do ... they do not like Australians. They at least tell you that you can't get in.
I will try the method I used to get to the P&T show. Back in a second.
Hummm. Whistle.
Yep. Blocked. I can get to it with Cloak.
Could Haley be so frightened of me that he has blocked my IP address, or has he blocked everyone with a Telstra cable account? Actually, I am one of those people who when given a situation which can be either a conspiracy or a cockup, I favour the cockup alternative.
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LadyLollipop - 03 Sep 2005 18:24 GMT >>> What has happened to the famous altcorp.com web site, home of Dr Boyd >>> Haley (he of the pendulous, thigh-length CV)? It has been missing for [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Tragic. What EXACTLY is tragic?
I have already received an enquiry from some desperate parent
> wanting me to put them in touch with Haley so that he can raise their > hopes. Oh? Now, now, Pete old man, WHY would anyone want YOU to put them in touch with *Dr.* Haley for any reason?
> I notice that he is now a "former chemistry department chairman at the > university". <snip wondering isnult> You are late with noticing that.
>>> I have checked both Outlook and ACT! at Illuminati HQ and nobody seems >>> to have had "Close Haley's web site" as a ToDo in their diary. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > am one of those people who when given a situation which can be either > a conspiracy or a cockup, I favour the cockup alternative. Hmmm Whistle+LOL. WHY would DR Haley be frightened of a lying cockroach like you?
2222 funny!
Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual stalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious.
Somethings are so predictable
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Rich.@. - 03 Sep 2005 19:18 GMT >Hmmm Whistle+LOL. WHY would DR Haley be frightened of a lying cockroach like >you?
>On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:57:03 GMT, "LadyLollipop" ><LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>only those filled with hate have a >>need to belittle and call names. ------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------
Best defense to logic is ignorance
LadyLollipop - 03 Sep 2005 20:19 GMT Hmmm Whistle+LOL. WHY would DR Haley be frightened of a lying cockroach like you?
2222 funny!
Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual stalking and attacking me. Just watch. Just like clockwork. Sorry to belabor the obvious.
Somethings are so predictable
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Rich.@. - 03 Sep 2005 20:40 GMT >Hmmm Whistle+LOL. WHY would DR Haley be frightened of a lying cockroach like >you? > >2222 funny!
>On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:57:03 GMT, "LadyLollipop" ><LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>only those filled with hate have a >>need to belittle and call names. ------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------
Best defense to logic is ignorance
LadyLollipop - 03 Sep 2005 21:56 GMT "LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote
Hmmm Whistle+LOL. WHY would DR Haley be frightened of a lying cockroach like you?
> Cue for Richard H Jacobson PROVEN LIAR, NAME CALLER with a PROVEN > pattern [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Best defense to logic is ignorance And then right on cue Richard H Jacobson stalks as usual.
Just like he does with most ever post I make, which is most obvious.
Are you sure my name is Richard Jacobson??
>>>>Is it or isn't it? >>Negative. Does this mean that I don't have to agree to Jan's request to cease and desist?? Of course her request presumes that I have been stalking and harassing her.
>I am grateful for one thing; that Richard Jacobson is not my real name. Unfortunately the Richard Jacobson that DOES live in Hawaii may not be too happy with my assuming his name for purposes of the internet especially given the recent events. He happens to live on a different island from me. I do plan to contact him to let him know that someone may try to harass him since he is listed in the phone book. =============================== Hiking The Kalalau Trail
Richard Jacobson (richj@cris.com) Sat, 16 Mar 1996 00:27:34 -0500 (EST)
>Hawaii's premier backpacking trail, the Kalalau Trail on the island of Kauai still remains closed past Hanakoa due to the reconstruction of the trail near "crawler's ridge". Estimated date of completion is Mid May. Until then, camping will only be permitted in Hanakapiai and Hanakoa Valleys. I for one am anxious to have Kalalau open again. It has to be one of the finest trails in the world.
Aloha, Rich ------------------------ ------------------------ Richard H. Jacobson Always remember to put Horace before Descarte
>I prefer whenever possible NOT to make things personal. >It leads to resentment and hard feelings.
>I personally think that Jan Drew is one of the most despicable individuals on this planet. She would have fit right in with Hitler and Nazi Germany.
(Now what was he saying about being a hypocrite?)
>>In any case I will continue to pray to Saint Jude, patron saint of lost >causes, that something will happen that prevents Jan from posting in this >newsgroup since praying that she will change would take more than a >miracle. Unfortunately my prayers have not yet been answered. However I believe that there is justice in this world and soon my prayers will be answered. I am patient.
>Aloha,
>Rich
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Rich.@. - 03 Sep 2005 23:16 GMT >Hmmm Whistle+LOL. WHY would DR Haley be frightened of a lying cockroach like >you?
>On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:57:03 GMT, "LadyLollipop" ><LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>only those filled with hate have a >>need to belittle and call names. ------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------
Best defense to logic is ignorance
Peter Bowditch - 04 Sep 2005 03:00 GMT >>>> What has happened to the famous altcorp.com web site, home of Dr Boyd >>>> Haley (he of the pendulous, thigh-length CV)? It has been missing for [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >What EXACTLY is tragic? That Haley is expanding his gouging into another area.
> I have already received an enquiry from some desperate parent >> wanting me to put them in touch with Haley so that he can raise their >> hopes. > >Oh? Now, now, Pete old man, WHY would anyone want YOU to put them in touch >with *Dr.* Haley for any reason? Cop this, fuckknuckle. Identifying information has been removed. People write to me about all sorts of things. I even got an email this week from someone who wants to sent a sick person to Burzynski (who isn't the subject of this thread).
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>> I notice that he is now a "former chemistry department chairman at the >> university". <snip wondering isnult> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >Hmmm Whistle+LOL. WHY would DR Haley be frightened of a lying cockroach like >you? I don't know. Why can't I see his web site? If you want to know how I could be blocked, google for "htaccess".
Of course, if you were capable of comprehension and understood sarcasm you would see that I assumed that I was not blocked deliberately but that someone had made some sort of mistake somewhere in server configuration.
>2222 funny! > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Best defense to logic is ignorance "sarchasm" - the gulf between a person employing sarcasm and those who do not get the point.
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LadyLollipop - 04 Sep 2005 05:44 GMT >>>>> What has happened to the famous altcorp.com web site, home of Dr Boyd >>>>> Haley (he of the pendulous, thigh-length CV)? It has been missing for [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > That Haley is expanding his gouging into another area. A pity, you feel the possibility of new research is *gouging*
You must be jealous.
>> I have already received an enquiry from some desperate parent >>> wanting me to put them in touch with Haley so that he can raise their [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cop this, fuckknuckle. Thanks for showing how despicable you are.
Identifying information has been removed.
Nobody asked or expected you to identify the information.
Evidently, you can't answer the question.
Oh? Now, now, Pete old man, WHY would anyone want YOU to put them in touch
>>with *Dr.* Haley for any reason?
> People write to me about all sorts of things. I even got an email this > week from someone who wants to sent a sick person to Burzynski (who > isn't the subject of this thread). Uh huh.
People must not know you very well.
> ------------------------------- > Received: from mail.ratbags.com by b9 for xxxxx@aol.com [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > ---------------------------------------------- I don't suppose, you know DR Haley e-mail address?, after all you pretend the know sooooo very much about him.
>>> I notice that he is now a "former chemistry department chairman at the >>> university". <snip wondering isnult> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > I don't know. Why can't I see his web site? If you want to know how I > could be blocked, google for "htaccess". LOL.
http://google.com Dr Haley
Boom
http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/haleyamalgamdebate.htm
http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/haleyresponds.htm
> Of course, if you were capable of comprehension and understood sarcasm > you would see that I assumed that I was not blocked deliberately but [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > "sarchasm" - the gulf between a person employing sarcasm and those who > do not get the point. Uh huh
http://google.com Dr Haley
Who got the Point???
>>Cue for Richard H Jacobson/akaRich..@.. to post with his usual stalking >>and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >>Best defense to logic is ignorance LadyLollipop - 03 Sep 2005 18:08 GMT >> What has happened to the famous altcorp.com web site, home of Dr Boyd >> Haley (he of the pendulous, thigh-length CV)? It has been missing for >> some weeks now. Has it been chelated? > > No, I just checked it: http://www.altcorp.com/ ... all there in its > nauseating "glory". As in:
The *truth* is nauseating
Guess why?
> Has Dr Haley (who speaks before >> congress but falls asleep after congress) developed a conscience and >> closed it down? NO, it's NOT closed down.
So what if he fell asleep AFTER speaking before Congress, the man is exhausted!
What desperation to belittle!!!
> Hah! No, never... he is on to seeing if "heavy metal poisoning" can be > treated with another heavy metal: > http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Science&article=UPI-1-20050829-16 053300-bc-ageofautism.xml That's NOT what he is on to!
GOD BLESS HIM!
>> I have checked both Outlook and ACT! at Illuminati HQ and nobody seems >> to have had "Close Haley's web site" as a ToDo in their diary. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Maybe it is just like Showtime's Penn and Teller's website: > http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/home.do ... they do not like Australians. Peter Bowditch - 04 Sep 2005 03:02 GMT >>> What has happened to the famous altcorp.com web site, home of Dr Boyd >>> Haley (he of the pendulous, thigh-length CV)? It has been missing for [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >So what if he fell asleep AFTER speaking before Congress, the man is >exhausted! You really don't get it, do you?
I apologise for making literary references, especially literary references to works produced in heathen countries.
>What desperation to belittle!!! >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/home.do ... they do not like Australians. >  Signature Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
LadyLollipop - 04 Sep 2005 05:47 GMT >>>> What has happened to the famous altcorp.com web site, home of Dr Boyd >>>> Haley (he of the pendulous, thigh-length CV)? It has been missing for [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > You really don't get it, do you? LOL.
> I apologise for making literary references, especially literary > references to works produced in heathen countries. You need to aplolgize for many things, the above is not one of them.
>>What desperation to belittle!!! >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>> Maybe it is just like Showtime's Penn and Teller's website: >>> http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/home.do ... they do not like Australians. Peter Bowditch
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