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Too much sugar, too much carbohydrate, or just too much?

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C.Health - 03 Sep 2005 05:01 GMT
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/79/5/711

Ironically, over the past 200 y or more, the increased consumption of
refined-carbohydrate foods appears to have gone hand-in-hand with a reduced
intake of traditional starchy foods, including truly whole-grain
(pumpernickel) breads, cracked wheat (bulgur and tabouleh), dried peas,
beans, and lentils. These foods are more slowly digested, have a lower
glycemic index, and-in general-are more nutritionally replete than are their
currently consumed counterparts (Table 1). Part of the reason for the
increased consumption of refined carbohydrates may be that even starchy
foods may taste sweet if they are rapidly digested by salivary amylase,
which may contribute to the appeal of high-glycemic-index foods. Corn syrup
and other sugars enhance the appeal of such foods. In this way, the glycemic
load (glycemic index x total available carbohydrate) of the modern diet is
likely to increase by a process of hedonic selection and overconsumption.
High-glycemic-index and high-glycemic-load diets are associated with an
increased risk of heart disease, diabetes, and certain cancers (9-13).
Therefore, as we progressively eliminate traditional starchy foods from the
diet, we may lose the protection that slow-release carbohydrate foods, such
as pumpernickel bread, peas, beans, and lentils and their associated
nutrients, provide against many major chronic diseases.
Twittering One - 03 Sep 2005 05:05 GMT
"Too much sugar, too much carbohydrate,
Or just too much ~ ?

... such
As pumpernickel bread, peas, beans, and lentils
And their associated

Nutrients, provide against many major
Chronic diseases."
~ C Health

"!Pumpernickel nice!"
~ Twittering
C.Health - 03 Sep 2005 05:22 GMT
> "Too much sugar, too much carbohydrate,
> Or just too much ~ ?
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> "!Pumpernickel nice!"
> ~ Twittering

I completely understand your comment. What Americans call Pumpernickel is
not the same as "Old World" Pumpernickel made with whole grain rye. I
personally don't eat any bread at all. Here is an example of old fashioned
Pumpernickel bread:

Bavarian Organic Pumpernickel Bread 500g
Ingredients
Whole rye, mountain spring water, yeast, sea salt.
Nutritional Information
per 100g:
Energy 220kcal, Protein 6.0g, Carbohydrate 46.0g, Fat 1.0g (of which
saturates nil), Sodium 460 mg.
Other Information
No chemicals additives.

If a person doesn't have gluten intolerance, intestinal inflammation, yeast
or rye allergies, this bread would be a better choice than most of the
commercial breads available in the US, and the glycemic index is lower.
I don't eat grains, but that statement about Pumpernickel came from the
Clinical Nutrition and Risk Factor Modification Center (DJAJ, CWCK, and AM)
and the Department of Medicine (DJAJ), St Michael's Hospital, Toronto, and
the Department of Nutritional Sciences, Faculty of Medicine, University of
Toronto (DJAJ, CWCK, and AM).
David JA Jenkins, Cyril WC Kendall, Augustine Marchie and Livia SA Augustin
montygram - 03 Sep 2005 21:25 GMT
I was eating that kind of diet, and the anti-nutrient qualities caught
up with me.  Severe osteoporosis, an inability digest food, etc.  Now I
eat foods that are easy to digest and are not oxidizing - that is the
key.

If you look at the "epidemics" of obesity, ADHD, diabetes, etc., the
graphs go up dramatically since the late 1990s or so, which coincides
just about exactly with consumption of canola/rapeseed oil.  In one
experiment, canola was much worse than soybean oil (which is pretty bad
stuff itself), depleting vitamin E (due to it's oxidizing ability) to a
degree that the researchers called alarming.  My great grandfather
lived to be over 100, and he liked simple carbs, but he and my great
grandmother (who lived into her late 90s) used olive oil, not the
highly unsaturated oils like corn, vegetable, sunflower, safflower,
etc.  Canola/rapeseed are worse due to the omega 3 content and erucic
acid content and the refining process.  Let's stick with what is known
scientifically (about free radicals and illness) and direct demographic
data, and not tell people to eat food that is difficult to digest and
provides very poor quality protein.
C.Health - 03 Sep 2005 22:09 GMT
> I was eating that kind of diet, and the anti-nutrient qualities caught
> up with me.  Severe osteoporosis, an inability digest food, etc.  Now I
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> data, and not tell people to eat food that is difficult to digest and
> provides very poor quality protein.

Yes, I agree with avoiding starches and refined carbohydrates. The only
carbs I eat are vegetables and limited fruit. I eat a variety of proteins.
For fat I consume organic extra virgin coconut oil when my protein isn't
high in fat. When I eat a high fat protein, I use a little organic extra
virgin olive oil on my vegetables. Both of these fats are dated and
refrigerated. This creates a good balance for my body and my blood stats
bear the proof. I have been able to reverse a serious health disorder
applying this protocol with supplementation. I am fortunately free of
illness and enjoy optimal health.
Kamalakar Pasupuleti - 03 Sep 2005 23:16 GMT
> Yes, I agree with avoiding starches and refined carbohydrates. The only
> carbs I eat are vegetables and limited fruit. I eat a variety of proteins.
> For fat I consume organic extra virgin coconut oil

I am from India and in the southern state of Kerala the cooking
medium is only cocanut oil but hevn't heard of
extra virgin cocoanut oil .

Kam

when my protein isn't
> high in fat. When I eat a high fat protein, I use a little organic extra
> virgin olive oil on my vegetables. Both of these fats are dated and
> refrigerated. This creates a good balance for my body and my blood stats
> bear the proof. I have been able to reverse a serious health disorder
> applying this protocol with supplementation. I am fortunately free of
> illness and enjoy optimal health.
C.Health - 04 Sep 2005 00:08 GMT
> > Yes, I agree with avoiding starches and refined carbohydrates. The only
> > carbs I eat are vegetables and limited fruit. I eat a variety of proteins.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> > applying this protocol with supplementation. I am fortunately free of
> > illness and enjoy optimal health.

You can purchase extra virgin organic coconut oil here:
http://www.webvitamins.com/product.aspx?id=20118
montygram - 04 Sep 2005 02:04 GMT
I don't see any need for "extra virgin coconut oil."  If it tastes
fresh it's fine.  Coconuts have deep root structures and there is no
spraying on them, as far as I know, so it's just a way to get more
money out of you.  I don't like the Hain product.  It does not taste as
good as others.  Tropical Traditions was okay, but I liked Coconut Oil
Supreme best, though that was about 2 years ago.  Now I mostly get 25
pound bags of shredded coconut and then grind it into a powder.  It
goes with just about anything.  I like butter warmed in a pan, then I
add herbs/spices, sherry, creamed corn, or whatever with it.

But remember, it's not so much about eating what's right, but avoiding
oxidizing agents, in food and in general.  Even breathing in the air
from a dishwasher is bad news.  Bleaching your teeth is also very bad
(oral surgeons are saying they expect an epidemic of oral cancers
within the next ten years or so).
Enrico C - 24 Nov 2005 09:43 GMT
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 04:22:32 GMT, C.Health wrote in
<news:cy9Se.8775$B34.5858@trnddc09> on
sci.med.nutrition,sci.med,misc.health.alternative,sci.life-extension :

>> "Too much sugar, too much carbohydrate,
>> Or just too much ~ ?
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> Toronto (DJAJ, CWCK, and AM).
> David JA Jenkins, Cyril WC Kendall, Augustine Marchie and Livia SA Augustin

I once in a while eat pumpernickel bread, in Italy, and I believe it's like
the "good one" you described. What is the American pumpernickel instead?

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