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Pain after ingesting sugar-rich foods make many suspect yeast problems. But
is it that simple?
In brief, sugar (in all its forms) does two things which could account for
the pain people frequently experience after ingesting it:
It affects the immune system for a short time (few hours)
It causes a spurt of uric acid to be excreted via the
kidneys/bladder/prostatic urethra, so burning the inflamed tissues there.
Here is the evidence:
Bernstein, J., et al, Depression of lymphocyte transformation following oral
glucose ingestion, Am. J. Clin. Nutr., 30:613, 1977
Sanchez, A., et al, Role of sugars in human neutrophilic phagocytosis, Am.
J. Clin. Nutr., 26:180, 1973.
These studies show that in adults, cell mediated immunity is significantly
depressed after sugar ingestion (75 grams). A 100g portion of sugar can
significantly reduce the capacity of white blood cells to engulf bacteria.
Maximum immune suppression occurs one to two hours after ingestion and
remains suppressed for up to five hours after feeding. Although the studies
concentrate on phagocytosis, it is not hard to see how any suppression of
parts of the immune system could affect inflammatory responses going on,
even if there are no fungi or bacteria.
To prove that sugar consumption causes a burst of uric acid production:
Reiser S et al. Blood lipids, lipoproteins, apoproteins, and uric acid in
men fed diets containing fructose or high-amylose cornstarch. The American
Journal of Clinical Nutrition 1989;49:832-39
...which contains the following paragraph on uric acid, inter alia:
"Uric acid -- The feeding of sucrose, at levels approximating that currently
consumed in this country, as compared with starch has been shown to increase
fasting uric acid levels in hyperinsulinemic subjects and in patients with
NIDDM. The fructose moiety of sucrose appears to be specifically responsible
for these increases. These results are consistent with the findings in the
present study in which fructose as compared with starch feeding produced
both a chronic (fasting level) and acute (response levels) increase in uric
acid levels. The increase in uric acid caused by fructose-containing
carbohydrates is not only a risk factor associated with heart disease but
also appears to be associated with short-term and adaptive changes in
metabolism consistent with decreased hepatic levels of adenosine
triphosphate (ATP), which could potentially affect the myriad of metabolic
processes dependent on ATP."
More evidence:
Some effects, in man, of varying the load of glucose, sucrose, fructose, or
sorbitol and various metabolites in blood I. Macdonald, M.D., D.Sc., Anne
Keyser, and Deborah Pacy, B.Sc. Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 31: 1305- 1311, 1978.
ABSTRACT: Tolerance tests using glucose, sucrose, fructose, or sorbitol each
at 4 dose levels, were carried out in nine healthy young men and during the
90 min after ingestion the plasma serum concentrations of glucose, insulin,
fructose, triglyceride, glycerol, uric acid, lactate, and pyruvate were
estimated. It was confirmed that serum glucose levels are unaffected by the
amount of glucose given. Little fructose seems to be converted to glucose
judging by the serum fructose levels following sucrose and fructose, and by
the small insulin response to oral fructose. The insulin response to a
sucrose meal is half of that after an equivalent amount of glucose. The fall
in serum triglyceride seen after carbohydrate meals is not related to
insulin. Only glucose is not associated with a rise in serum uric acid,
lactate, and pyruvate concentrations after ingestion.
Quotes from study:
"Uric Acid -- There was a significant increase in the concentration of uric
acid at each level of fructose intake, but it did not appear to be dose
related. At three dose levels of sucrose there was a significant mean
increase in uric acid whereas after glucose and sorbitol no significant
change occurred .... The increase in uric acid levels after sucrose and
fructose ingestion and the absence of such an increase after glucose
ingestion supports the view that fructose causes depletion of hepatic
adenine nucleotides and the purine component of these appears as uric acid
and in fact there is a significant correlation between the increase in serum
fructose and uric acid concentrations."
{FYI: each 1g fructose/kg bodyweight gave a 0.6mg/100ml increase in uric
acid}
Robert - 02 Sep 2005 09:44 GMT
> http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/sugar.html
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> Pain after ingesting sugar-rich foods make many suspect yeast problems. But
> is it that simple?
Who said there is pain after ingesting sugar-rich foods?
> In brief, sugar (in all its forms) does two things which could account for
> the pain people frequently experience after ingesting it:
>
> It affects the immune system for a short time (few hours)
In the studies below you show cellular immunity as decreased or as
inflammation is decreased. It's like giving aspirin to decrease pain and
inflammation. The increase in certain cytokines can result in pain in
certain CPPS patients and not a decrease.
One of the most popular OTC supplements are anti-nflammatories like
quercetin the main ingredient in ProstaQ. These decrease inflammation which
relieves pain and not increase pain.
> It causes a spurt of uric acid to be excreted via the
> kidneys/bladder/prostatic urethra, so burning the inflamed tissues there.
Uric acid is normally excreted and the normal urine pH is highly acidic in
the 5-6 range. That is normal and nobody is burning down there everytime
they pee.
I think you need to go back to the drawing boards on that.
CPPS involves pain coming from the nuts and not pain from peeing dude.
C.Health - 02 Sep 2005 11:20 GMT
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> CPPS involves pain coming from the nuts and not pain from peeing dude.
The article is referring to people with prostatitis and CPPS that experience
pain after ingesting large amounts of different sugars. It's not referring
to pain from urinating.
Chronic prostatitis/chronic pelvic pain syndrome (CP/CPPS) can be described
as persistent relapsing pain or discomfort in any of the following areas:
Urethra
Between rectum and testicles (perineum)
Tip of the penis (not related to urination)
Below the waist, in your pubic or bladder area
Testicles
Reiser S et al. Blood lipids, lipoproteins, apoproteins, and uric acid in
men fed diets containing fructose or high-amylose cornstarch. The American
Journal of Clinical Nutrition 1989;49:832-39
...which contains the following paragraph on uric acid, inter alia:
"Uric acid -- The feeding of sucrose, at levels approximating that currently
consumed in this country, as compared with starch has been shown to increase
fasting uric acid levels in hyperinsulinemic subjects and in patients with
NIDDM. The fructose moiety of sucrose appears to be specifically responsible
for these increases. These results are consistent with the findings in the
present study in which fructose as compared with starch feeding produced
both a chronic (fasting level) and acute (response levels) increase in uric
acid levels. The increase in uric acid caused by fructose-containing
carbohydrates is not only a risk factor associated with heart disease but
also appears to be associated with short-term and adaptive changes in
metabolism consistent with decreased hepatic levels of adenosine
triphosphate (ATP), which could potentially affect the myriad of metabolic
processes dependent on ATP."
Robert - 02 Sep 2005 18:43 GMT
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> pain after ingesting large amounts of different sugars. It's not referring
> to pain from urinating.
I would suggest you post this to Sci Med Prostatitis and let them educate
you on the present treatment options after they have a good laugh.
> Chronic prostatitis/chronic pelvic pain syndrome (CP/CPPS) can be described
> as persistent relapsing pain or discomfort in any of the following areas:
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> Below the waist, in your pubic or bladder area
> Testicles
I would suggest you talk to people who have the condition and some of the
foods that they say aggravate the condition.
Most of the food source of uric acid as any person with gout can tell you is
animal meat purine.
There is no evidence that uric acid reducers can alleviate the pain of CPPS.
If there was every person with CPPS would be on ant-gout medicine.
I would suggest you update your education involving CPPS.
C.Health - 02 Sep 2005 19:53 GMT
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> I would suggest you update your education involving CPPS.
The article is about sugar's effect on the immune system and sugar's effect
on uric acid levels. It is not about other forms of uric acid elevation
through the ingestion of excessive protein or foods high in purines. It is
basically about the effect of sugar on the body. You're going off on
tangents. I'm making a point about sugar, it just happened to be mentioned
on a website dealing with CPPS and prostatitis. I'm sorry if you suffer from
CPPS or other health disorders.
Robert - 02 Sep 2005 21:08 GMT
> > I would suggest you update your education involving CPPS.
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> on a website dealing with CPPS and prostatitis. I'm sorry if you suffer from
> CPPS or other health disorders.
Try reading the original post again and see if I am the one off on a
tangent.
It is off on the inflammation part and on the uric acid part. They or you
try to take unrelated studies and then try to fit everything together. It
doesn't fit together.